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Silver Oak
09-21-2009, 09:01 AM
Jerome Solomon's article is about Kubiak's Saturday night pregame speech bringing the team together, but I really liked this one part...

Did you see the Texans come together and respond when Titans cornerback Cortland Finnegan acted as if he wanted to tussle on their sideline? A host of Texans — the finesse squad that was manhandled by the Jets in the season opener — jumped into the fray.

To protect the guilty, we won't name any names, but one Texan, not wanting to get ejected for throwing punches, left LP Field with a small chunk of red hair that used to belong to Finnegan. If Finnegan wants it back, he can try to retrieve it at Reliant Stadium in November.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6628666.html

Malloy
09-21-2009, 09:04 AM
He should put that piece of hair on ebay ;)

Mr. White
09-21-2009, 09:19 AM
That's awesome.

I also saw Cushing with a handful of dreadlocks after a Chris Johnson tackle.

FirstTexansFan
09-21-2009, 09:24 AM
Hmmm...a new cheer "Snatch'em Bald Headed!"....er...go team go :)

4Texans
09-21-2009, 09:26 AM
The Brawl was definitely good "team building" for us, no matter who's hair was pulled.

Dread-Head
09-21-2009, 09:29 AM
That's awesome.

I also saw Cushing with a handful of dreadlocks after a Chris Johnson tackle.


I dislike the Titans as much as the next guy, but....OW!

TheRealJoker
09-21-2009, 09:45 AM
That's awesome.

I also saw Cushing with a handful of dreadlocks after a Chris Johnson tackle.

I remember once when Cushing tackled Johnson and then literally picked him up off the ground by his shoulder pads instead of grabbing him by the hand to help him up. I think he was trying to put it in the little speedsters head that he was a lot bigger and stronger than him.

CloakNNNdagger
09-21-2009, 09:46 AM
Lucky for the Titans, their pubies were covered.:pirate:

brakos82
09-21-2009, 09:47 AM
Well, I take it Mario didn't throw any punches. I haven't heard anything from the coroner yet. LOL

76Texan
09-21-2009, 10:37 AM
That's awesome.

I also saw Cushing with a handful of dreadlocks after a Chris Johnson tackle.

Is Cushing going to take that to Bosley to grow a different look? http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

infantrycak
09-21-2009, 10:50 AM
Well, I take it Mario didn't throw any punches. I haven't heard anything from the coroner yet. LOL

I have to rewatch it to confirm my first impression but I thought I saw Mario trying to throw a haymaker over the pile and was worried about an ejection.

blitz90
09-21-2009, 10:55 AM
I have to rewatch it to confirm my first impression but I thought I saw Mario trying to throw a haymaker over the pile and was worried about an ejection.

I saw Mario jump right it and I saw furry in his eyes. I didn't see him throwing any haymakers though. He looked like he was just pushing people out of the way then starting pulling Titans off of his own men.

Yankee_In_TX
09-21-2009, 11:06 AM
I have to rewatch it to confirm my first impression but I thought I saw Mario trying to throw a haymaker over the pile and was worried about an ejection.

So did my wife. Mario was trying to swim into the pile, and a fist shot out that I was 85% sure from the angle wasn't his. Just looked like it because his arms had been flying from trying to swim to the middle.

HOU-TEX
09-21-2009, 11:13 AM
I have to rewatch it to confirm my first impression but I thought I saw Mario trying to throw a haymaker over the pile and was worried about an ejection.

I noticed him too. I'm not sure what he was trying to do, but the dude was pissed.

I might get flamed for saying this, but towards the end of the brawl Finnegan came out of the pile with his helmet off. I was soo wanting a Texan player to drop him like a sack of rocks. Shut that prick up for a while and have him eat from a straw for a while.

The thing I found funny about the whole brawl was that David Anderson came out of it with the penalty. The wife and I just looked at each other and laughed. The smallest dude on the team! LOL!

infantrycak
09-21-2009, 11:13 AM
So did my wife. Mario was trying to swim into the pile, and a fist shot out that I was 85% sure from the angle wasn't his. Just looked like it because his arms had been flying from trying to swim to the middle.

That sounds real likely. I didn't back it up to re-watch it at the time but there were some huge Mario looking arms going over the pile.

Interesting comment at nfl.com:

I don't think the Titans have to worry about anyone but the Colts right now in the division. Though the Texans won yesterday, I think it's going to get a lot harder for them to win the next few weeks if the NFL does the proper investigation of the incident on the sidelines yesterday. There should be good video proof of Texan players beating Cortland Finnegan's head against a bench during the scuffle, which is why Jason Jones waded into the melee to get Finn out of there. Looked like Mario Williams was in on it. Texans aren't too tough without Mario. Hope NFL sits those involved for a few games.

ATRAIN
09-21-2009, 11:18 AM
I love this new fire the team has shown, we better bring it each and every week now. We were a team possesed and didnt let big brother push us around ANYMORE. YOU HEAR THAT TACKS...........NOT ANYMORE!!!

Yankee_In_TX
09-21-2009, 11:33 AM
I might get flamed for saying this, but towards the end of the brawl Finnegan came out of the pile with his helmet off. I was soo wanting a Texan player to drop him like a sack of rocks. Shut that prick up for a while and have him eat from a straw for a while.


Lindsay said classless fans. I said errr - I'd be cheering....

76Texan
09-21-2009, 11:55 AM
Kubiak with a rare show of emotion, breathing at the side judge's neck!:spit:

Double Barrel
09-21-2009, 11:56 AM
I was glad to see that not only does that dog hunt, but it bites, too. :howdy:

BigBull17
09-21-2009, 12:02 PM
I noticed him too. I'm not sure what he was trying to do, but the dude was pissed.

I might get flamed for saying this, but towards the end of the brawl Finnegan came out of the pile with his helmet off. I was soo wanting a Texan player to drop him like a sack of rocks. Shut that prick up for a while and have him eat from a straw for a while.

The thing I found funny about the whole brawl was that David Anderson came out of it with the penalty. The wife and I just looked at each other and laughed. The smallest dude on the team! LOL!

Finnegan is just mad he got owned all day by who ever he was on. JJ and AJ lit him up.

Also, if you suspend Texans for fighting, Finnegan has to also be suspended for wading into our bench and starting the fight.

Texan_Bill
09-21-2009, 12:05 PM
I was just glad to finally see a team that could punch back after getting punched in the junk....... and keep punching.. and keep punching.

Playoffs
09-21-2009, 12:20 PM
I have to rewatch it to confirm my first impression but I thought I saw Mario trying to throw a haymaker over the pile and was worried about an ejection.
He did.

barrett
09-21-2009, 12:25 PM
when do the fines come out? are there any chances we could have anyone suspended? i could give two shits about fighting in a game. it's idiotic. it could have hurt the team.

spurstexanstros
09-21-2009, 12:26 PM
Finnegan is just mad he got owned all day by who ever he was on. JJ and AJ lit him up.

Also, if you suspend Texans for fighting, Finnegan has to also be suspended for wading into our bench and starting the fight.

I think he was in love with AJ...he did jump on him like he did. The ball was uncatchable because AJ had a no talent fake Irishman on his back....he made it to the pro bowl? what did Petey Faggins turn it down?

Corty is a fraud.

TimeKiller
09-21-2009, 12:39 PM
If the league is going to start handing out suspensions to the Texans for that I'll be shocked and appalled. The Titans were 100% instigating the whole game. They play about 75% defense and 25% cheap shot tactics. Not that every team doesn't have a guy who'll get a little dirty but it's like a philosophy over there.

OH what am I saying? That if the people fighting get suspended the guy starting it is equally to blame if not completely moreso? Charlie Manson is in jail. Am I even talking about Cortland McHairpiece? NO, I'm talking about JEFF FISHER. The guy coaches dirty play and it's spilling over into extra cirricular violence. Put that cap on where the cap needs to go. CF is just the mindless drone doing his masters' bidding. Going into the lions den huh? Stupid is as stupid does, and judging by his actions, Cortland Finnegan is stupid.

Cjeremy635
09-21-2009, 12:43 PM
I thought it was Jacoby who threw the punch on the sideline? I rewinded it a couple of times and that's what I thought happened. I could be wrong though.

Playoffs
09-21-2009, 12:47 PM
when do the fines come out? are there any chances we could have anyone suspended?
If the only video is what we have already seen, I think what instigated the whole melee will go unpunished.....except for the hair pulling.

Mr. White
09-21-2009, 12:52 PM
If the only video is what we have already seen, I think what instigated the whole melee will go unpunished.....except for the hair pulling.

Has anybody seen any evidence of hair pulling yet?

Silver Oak
09-21-2009, 01:10 PM
when do the fines come out? are there any chances we could have anyone suspended? i could give two shits about fighting in a game. it's idiotic. it could have hurt the team.

barrett, I really like your draft stuff and your take on game play, but I think you're wrong here. There are teams in this league, and Tenn is one, who cross the line between fair play and into daring a player to defend himself. It's just an extension of the controlled violence between whistles IMO. The NYJ's physically challenged us last week and we didn't respond...this week we did.

I don't want to see anyone get hurt either, but IMO, when you see someone like Dunta Robinson, who has said just recently that it's just a business...when you see him wade into a fight, w/o a helmet on, and ready to defend his teammates, that speaks volumes to me about what a team and player are truly made of.

Maybe I'm wrong and you're correct, but that fight got my blood pumping as I know it did the Texans will to win even more.

:fans:

Yankee_In_TX
09-21-2009, 01:19 PM
Has anybody seen any evidence of hair pulling yet?

Heck yeah. On field after CJ was down someone grabbed his dreads and yanked. Not sure about the Leprechaun.

Lindsay shrugged and said 'it's not against the rules.'

I said, errr, it is after the play is over, lol.

Playoffs
09-21-2009, 01:27 PM
Looks like Finnegan/Texan(89?) were into extra-curricular exchange into the sideline.

Harper(20) runs into the sideline crowd followed by Jones(91) then Griffin(29).

Vonta grabs Jones who was flagged for a open-hand "reach" that looked like a punch.

Harper is all the way back to the bench wrestling with Dunta Robinson.

Then the D-line wades in, Mario swimming through the crowd with Amobi next to doing a bull move. Mario does a left arm swipe that could be mistaken for a punch -- he was just trying to get up close & personal with a Titan.

Okoye & Ferguson physically eject Finnegan from our sideline, along with Demeco.

Texans #57 & #12 throw unsuccessful "mob" punches from the back.

Kubiak is pissed pointing and screaming "No way, no way...!" at the official.


*enjoyed seeing Amobi show some anger*

Mr. White
09-21-2009, 01:37 PM
I thought the camera crew could have done a better job on this incident...especially at the beginning. I saw Bulluck without a helmet and then all hell broke loose.

It's like they were watching it instead of filming it.

Hervoyel
09-21-2009, 01:41 PM
I thought the camera crew could have done a better job on this incident...especially at the beginning. I saw Bulluck without a helmet and then all hell broke loose.

It's like they were watching it instead of filming it.

Which IMO hopefully means that they didn't get much in the way of definitive proof that anybody in particular was over the line. This needs to go away now. It was nice while it lasted but we'll all be feeling kind of sick inside if we find out that Mario or someone else nearly as important is sitting out a game or something along those lines.

dalemurphy
09-21-2009, 01:48 PM
Which IMO hopefully means that they didn't get much in the way of definitive proof that anybody in particular was over the line. This needs to go away now. It was nice while it lasted but we'll all be feeling kind of sick inside if we find out that Mario or someone else nearly as important is sitting out a game or something along those lines.

Best case scenario: Amobi Okoye and Jacoby Jones get multiple game suspensions!

.. Imagine not having to worry about Jones muffing a punt for the next 3 weeks.

... we go from a awful to a mediocre run defense with Okoye out of the lineup!

bah007
09-21-2009, 01:51 PM
Looks like Finnegan/Texan(89?) were into extra-curricular exchange into the sideline.

Harper(20) runs into the sideline crowd followed by Jones(91) then Griffin(29).

Vonta grabs Jones who was flagged for a open-hand "reach" that looked like a punch.

Harper is all the way back to the bench wrestling with Dunta Robinson.

Then the D-line wades in, Mario swimming through the crowd with Amobi next to doing a bull move. Mario does a left arm swipe that could be mistaken for a punch -- he was just trying to get up close & personal with a Titan.

Okoye & Ferguson physically eject Finnegan from our sideline, along with Demeco.

Texans #57 & #12 throw unsuccessful "mob" punches from the back.

Kubiak is pissed pointing and screaming "No way, no way...!" at the official.


*enjoyed seeing Amobi show some anger*

That's pretty much what I saw, except Michael Griffin wasn't involved for Tennesse. It was #29, Ryan Mouton.

And David Anderson, Kevin Bentley, and Jacoby Jones were the Texans that were throwing punches at the end.

El Tejano
09-21-2009, 01:56 PM
He should put that piece of hair on ebay ;)

Bud Adams will buy it.

silvrhand
09-21-2009, 01:58 PM
Come on there was nothing wrong with a little bit of fighting in the game, noone did anything like taking off a helmet and swinging it trying to put it through someone's face. Fighting happens in a violent physical game of football, the brawl was handled well on both sides, and some fines might come out but that's just how it goes. I'll be damned if anyone would come out and dis-respect my team or house.

There are fights that are just out of the context of what you want to see, and there are fights where it's just sheer wills against wills and I think this is the latter of the two.

silvrhand
09-21-2009, 01:59 PM
video link anyone?

Drew_Smoke
09-21-2009, 02:16 PM
I thought it was Jacoby who threw the punch on the sideline? I rewinded it a couple of times and that's what I thought happened. I could be wrong though.

I saw him too...I saw the 12 pop up and a punch thrown.

I hope it is only $$ they take from these guys.

barrett
09-21-2009, 02:22 PM
barrett, I really like your draft stuff and your take on game play, but I think you're wrong here. There are teams in this league, and Tenn is one, who cross the line between fair play and into daring a player to defend himself. It's just an extension of the controlled violence between whistles IMO. The NYJ's physically challenged us last week and we didn't respond...this week we did.

I don't want to see anyone get hurt either, but IMO, when you see someone like Dunta Robinson, who has said just recently that it's just a business...when you see him wade into a fight, w/o a helmet on, and ready to defend his teammates, that speaks volumes to me about what a team and player are truly made of.

Maybe I'm wrong and you're correct, but that fight got my blood pumping as I know it did the Texans will to win even more.

:fans:


Thanks for the compliment and I respect our difference of opinion. I'm sure the majority would side with you on this subject. Football to me, is an extremely violent game that borders on the edge of chaos. Men are asked to physically exert their will on another man against his own. It's understandable that there will be anger and frustration at times. I think there is very much a place for all the shit talking and chest beating that takes place behind the masks and pads on the field. (Football unlike other sports has the luxury of a helmet to hide some of the less marketable parts of this game.) But at the end of the day they are professional sports athletes. They get paid a ton of money to know when to put the breaks on. They get paid a ton of money to know the difference between controlled chaos and emotion versus rage.

The NFL uses a fine system which I think is great. It generates revenue for the league and punishes/motivates the players where it counts. For the most part they do an incredible job of walking that fine line of knowing the difference between knocking a guys block off and "trying to hurt someone".

You're right that the Titans are a team that straddles that line. It does not reflect positively on them in my opinion. You can say, well it makes them a better football team, but the truth is, their starting DT was kicked out of the stadium. And that to me is HUGE. In the end they lost the game. I'm not suggesting that it's a given that his suspension was the cause but it could be concluded that it was a factor. Suppose it was someone from the Texans that was kicked out? Say, #80 who was involved in the initial confrontation...

I just don't have any respect for someone who thinks punching someone in a game and risking being ejected and hurting their own team is worth the "man points" you earn by doing so. (fwiw I haven't re-watched the fight yet so I don't know if anyone punched anyone yet.)

having said that, i'm all for the Texans being aggressive and sticking up for each other but you as a professional have to know where to draw the line... otherwise you might as well be a basketball thug.

Mailman
09-21-2009, 02:25 PM
I've watched it in slo-mo repeatedly and it's obvious who instigated the brawl. The play was over with Slaton/Bulluck/Griffin and the melee happened right after and to the left of the action. And who was the player coming from that side? Who was the player at the epicenter of the brawl? That punkassbitch Courtland Fined-Again.

That guy is a shitstain. I really despise him and I applaud any Texan player who may have landed a punch across the jaw of the one Tit who most deserves to get cracked. He was all over AJ on that pass interference play and got away with it.

Honoring Earl 34
09-21-2009, 02:59 PM
I liked the fight because it ( fight ) , Winston , and beating them twice in a row , make them think twice when they line up against the Texans . They play with a chip on their shoulder and when you knock it off and beat them ... they ain't so tough .

If we get players suspended so what , the offense was on the field . The defense should come out with enough ferocity to hold the Jags or the Raiders under 20 no matter who's out there .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yzn5d0dBLIU

ChrisG
09-21-2009, 03:15 PM
if u watch the clip you can tell Bennett was watching college football in the last month. Once the fight started he put on his helmet

LOL

Mailman
09-21-2009, 03:21 PM
if u watch the clip you can tell Bennett was watching college football in the last month. Once the fight started he put on his helmet

LOL

yeah, i noticed that, too...but I think it was actually Rashad Butler.

ChrisG
09-21-2009, 03:53 PM
in the background bennett does it about 1/2 a sec after butler

i just notice bennetts 1st

b0ng
09-21-2009, 05:36 PM
Music City Miracles (http://www.musiccitymiracles.com/2009/9/21/1046502/tennessee-titans-morning-links#comments)

Jason Jones says he didn't even throw a punch on the Texans sidelines, despite being the only player ejected in the 30-man fracas on the Texans' bench. Jones earned a lot of props from the grateful fans and players for coming to the defense of Cortland Finnegan after they surrounded him. The league is going to review the tape, and after that we should expect fines and suspensions for Mario Williams and Jacoby Jones at the least. There's even a certain someone who was right there and saw a Texans coach throwing punches...

What

Wolf
09-21-2009, 05:45 PM
here you go part of it on a youtube video from someones camera

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4fKLEimas0

Texan_Bill
09-21-2009, 05:49 PM
here you go part of the last part of it youtube video from someones camera

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4fKLEimas0

LMAO!! Was Matt Turk giving the business to Vanden Bosch??

Heath Shuler
09-21-2009, 06:16 PM
That sounds real likely. I didn't back it up to re-watch it at the time but there were some huge Mario looking arms going over the pile.

Interesting comment at nfl.com:

Who is the source of this comment? Just some disgruntled fan rambling or somebody without an ax to grind?

JCTexan
09-21-2009, 06:22 PM
Music City Miracles (http://www.musiccitymiracles.com/2009/9/21/1046502/tennessee-titans-morning-links#comments)



What

So three Titans come over to Houston's bench and start a fight and the only players who should be suspended are Texans? Gotta be a Titan site because that makes no sense. If anyone is going to be suspended it's going to be Jason Jones. He threw a punch and got thrown out of the game for it.

ObsiWan
09-21-2009, 06:35 PM
Lucky for the Titans, their pubies were covered.:pirate:
Ewwww
lol

Texecutioner
09-21-2009, 06:36 PM
I liked the fight because it ( fight ) , Winston , and beating them twice in a row , make them think twice when they line up against the Texans . They play with a chip on their shoulder and when you knock it off and beat them ... they ain't so tough .

If we get players suspended so what , the offense was on the field . The defense should come out with enough ferocity to hold the Jags or the Raiders under 20 no matter who's out there .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yzn5d0dBLIU

Actually I think you make a good point here. The fight got the players fired up and had them wanting to win a lot more.

If only the Texans could have fights like these all of the time, then maybe we could be a lot more intense and gritty football team. Maybe we should just bring some player on our roster who will start up some shit with other teams every week early on and get us into a brawl so our players will finally understand that they are in a football game. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that sounds stupid and all, but hey we need some attitude and some grit on this team. They had it after that brawl.

spurstexanstros
09-21-2009, 06:41 PM
The bully got punched and now he is crying to the principal because someone wouldnt let him beat them up. Thats all MCM quote reveals.

"Dont poke the Bull...you will get the horns"

ObsiWan
09-21-2009, 06:43 PM
Best case scenario: Amobi Okoye and Jacoby Jones get multiple game suspensions!

.. Imagine not having to worry about Jones muffing a punt for the next 3 weeks.

... we go from a awful to a mediocre run defense with Okoye out of the lineup!

or catching another touchdown...
sometimes I just don't understand you guys' logic

ObsiWan
09-21-2009, 06:44 PM
Actually I think you make a good point here. The fight got the players fired up and had them wanting to win a lot more.

If only the Texans could have fights like these all of the time, then maybe we could be a lot more intense and gritty football team. Maybe we should just bring some player on our roster who will start up some shit with other teams every week early on and get us into a brawl so our players will finally understand that they are in a football game. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that sounds stupid and all, but hey we need some attitude and some grit on this team. They had it after that brawl.

So you want us to have our own Cortland Finnegan??
:confused:

Wolf
09-21-2009, 06:49 PM
:thinking: Bob might trade our "hoodlums" before the trading deadline , we aren't choir boys anymore

:smiliedance:

Texan_Bill
09-21-2009, 06:50 PM
:thinking: Bob might trade our "hoodlums" before the trading deadline , we aren't choir boys anymore

:smiliedance:

You can be a choir boy and be really nasty at the same time.. RE: John Stockton and the Utah Jazz... :shades:

thunderkyss
09-21-2009, 06:54 PM
Jerome Solomon's article is about Kubiak's Saturday night pregame speech bringing the team together, but I really liked this one part...

Did you see the Texans come together and respond when Titans cornerback Cortland Finnegan acted as if he wanted to tussle on their sideline? A host of Texans — the finesse squad that was manhandled by the Jets in the season opener — jumped into the fray.

To protect the guilty, we won't name any names, but one Texan, not wanting to get ejected for throwing punches, left LP Field with a small chunk of red hair that used to belong to Finnegan. If Finnegan wants it back, he can try to retrieve it at Reliant Stadium in November.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6628666.html

We're boasting about our "new-found toughness" because one of our guys got into a catfight?

Seriously?

DexmanC
09-21-2009, 06:55 PM
Wow. I never expected the Titans
to be so weak without Fat Albert
in the middle. NOT ONCE did a
Tack lineman blow up the interior
of our o-line, which was a
specialty of Haynesworth. Titans
are on a path to 8-8, 9-7 ville.
Soon, they're gonna start
screamin:

BRING ON VY!!

Texan_Bill
09-21-2009, 07:01 PM
We're boasting about our "new-found toughness" because one of our guys got into a catfight?

Seriously?

I know you're a big guy, but would you have mixed up with Eric Winston when he was pissed at Vanden Sloth.


Wow. I never expected the Titans
to be so weak without Fat Albert
in the middle. NOT ONCE did a
Tack lineman blow up the interior
of our o-line, which was a
specialty of Haynesworth. Titans
are on a path to 8-8, 9-7 ville.
Soon, they're gonna start
screamin:

BRING ON VY!!

:thinking: 2006? 0-5 start?

Double Barrel
09-21-2009, 07:02 PM
or catching another touchdown...
sometimes I just don't understand you guys' logic

Only if we can get the same referee crew for the games JJ plays. ;)

JCTexan
09-21-2009, 07:10 PM
Wow. I never expected the Titans
to be so weak without Fat Albert
in the middle. NOT ONCE did a
Tack lineman blow up the interior
of our o-line, which was a
specialty of Haynesworth. Titans
are on a path to 8-8, 9-7 ville.
Soon, they're gonna start
screamin:

BRING ON VY!!

I live close to Austin. The last thing I want is VY back on the field.

TimeKiller
09-21-2009, 07:22 PM
or catching another touchdown...
sometimes I just don't understand you guys' logic

Can't rep you again...

Texecutioner
09-21-2009, 07:28 PM
or catching another touchdown...
sometimes I just don't understand you guys' logic

Well he probably felt that way since we probably won't see another TD score from Jacoby Jones for another year or for several games if history has shown us anything about this guy, and we'll be subjected to more of his outlandish PR plays that end up in disaster.

It's no surprise that Jacoby can bust a nice play every now and then, but over all the guy isn't a good player at all. He's a high talented guy that's never going to become a stud of any kind. He's not some rookie any more where people can keep saying "well we'll just let him develop." Hell Kubes was trying to trade the guy before the season but there were no takers. Every team in the league has a guy like Jacoby Jones who can bust a big play every now and then, but the difference is most non Texans fans don't know who these guys are, because they're just 4th and 5th stringers the same way fans of other teams have no clue who Jacoby Jones is hardly, because he isn't anything significant either when he can't even beat out guys like Anderson and Davis as 3rd and 4th string WR's.

I'm with Dale on this one, and I'd rather not have to deal with the muffed punts and the costly TO's that this guy brings.

Texecutioner
09-21-2009, 07:32 PM
So you want us to have our own Cortland Finnegan??
:confused:

Hell yeah! I'd take Finnegan over any one of are CB's on this team no question. Finnegan was one of the best CB's in the league last year. He hasn't gotten off to such a great start yet this year, but the guy's a quality corner and I don't care how much you hate the guy because he's a Titan I'd take him any day of the week and so would every other GM in the entire league.

Everything you complain about the guy for, you'd be praising him for if he was a Texan.

ObsiWan
09-21-2009, 07:42 PM
Hell yeah! I'd take Finnegan over any one of are CB's on this team no question. Finnegan was one of the best CB's in the league last year. He hasn't gotten off to such a great start yet this year, but the guy's a quality corner and I don't care how much you hate the guy because he's a Titan I'd take him any day of the week and so would every other GM in the entire league.

Everything you complain about the guy for, you'd be praising him for if he was a Texan.
If you think that, you don't know me.
I'm all for guys standing up for themselves and pushing back when they get pushed. But the cheap-assed crap I've seen him do, like jumping on A.J.'s head when the pass was clearly unplayable by either guy...?
That's bush league.
He does that crap because he has no talent. Guys like that, with no talent, have to bring you down to their level to compete with you.
I've seen them in weekend warrior games. We all have. If you stay focused, ignore them, and play your game you expose those frauds every time.
And at the end of the day, all those chicken-***t bucketheads do is make the OTHER side play that much harder to make sure the little shits get beat.
No thank you.
Play hard but play clean.

ATXtexanfan
09-21-2009, 07:55 PM
Well he probably felt that way since we probably won't see another TD score from Jacoby Jones for another year or for several games if history has shown us anything about this guy, and we'll be subjected to more of his outlandish PR plays that end up in disaster.

It's no surprise that Jacoby can bust a nice play every now and then, but over all the guy isn't a good player at all. He's a high talented guy that's never going to become a stud of any kind. He's not some rookie any more where people can keep saying "well we'll just let him develop." Hell Kubes was trying to trade the guy before the season but there were no takers. Every team in the league has a guy like Jacoby Jones who can bust a big play every now and then, but the difference is most non Texans fans don't know who these guys are, because they're just 4th and 5th stringers the same way fans of other teams have no clue who Jacoby Jones is hardly, because he isn't anything significant either when he can't even beat out guys like Anderson and Davis as 3rd and 4th string WR's.

I'm with Dale on this one, and I'd rather not have to deal with the muffed punts and the costly TO's that this guy brings.

You gonna pick on jacoby in every thread?

Texecutioner
09-21-2009, 08:08 PM
If you think that, you don't know me.
I'm all for guys standing up for themselves and pushing back when they get pushed. But the cheap-assed crap I've seen him do, like jumping on A.J.'s head when the pass was clearly unplayable by either guy...?
That's bush league.

What?? He didn't jump on AJ's head. You certainly do like to over dramatize things here. The ball was just starting to come down out of the air and he tried tried to hit Johnson in motion so he couldn't make a good dive at it without feeling some contact while going for the ball. It probably should have been a penalty but the refs didn't call it because it wasn't a ball that could have been caught any way. I don't think for one second that you would dislike Finnegan if he were a Texan and he had a year like he did last season for the Texans instead of the Titans especially if you're sticking up for Jacoby Jones of all people the way you are. The guy is a Titan so you hate the guy. I get it. But to act like hasn't been a good player is just not true.


He does that crap because he has no talent. Guys like that, with no talent, have to bring you down to their level to compete with you.

Has no talent? Then what does he have then, some of the best instincts in the entire league at his position then? He was the starting pro bowl CB on the other side of Asomghua last season on one of the best defenses in the league last year.

The Texans have possibly the most embarrassing defenses in the entire league right now with maybe one good CB in Dunta Robinson and you're trying to tell me that you wouldn't want a guy who was a starting pro bowl CB last season because he talks a little smack??? That's got to be one of the silliest things I've heard in a while.

YOu know that's part of the problem with the Texans defense. They don't have players that play a little nasty. Hell, that's have the stuff I hear people ***** about every day on this site, is how we don't have any nasty players on the defense.

Texecutioner
09-21-2009, 08:11 PM
You gonna pick on jacoby in every thread?

What is this? Do you have a response or a counter argument or did you just want to include yourself in this thread by posting a few words? I was referring to what Dale's comments were actually and I agreed with exactly what he said.

ATXtexanfan
09-21-2009, 08:18 PM
What is this? Do you have a response or a counter argument or did you just want to include yourself in this thread by posting a few words? I was referring to what Dale's comments were actually and I agreed with exactly what he said.
You've made your feelings
about him known in another thread, suprised to see your essay in this one. He had his own thread with people firing off on him. Not picking a fight. Just saying.

Texecutioner
09-21-2009, 08:38 PM
You've made your feelings
about him known in another thread, suprised to see your essay in this one. He had his own thread with people firing off on him. Not picking a fight. Just saying.

His name was mentioned so I commented on it. I probably will again when he gets referenced since so many fans can't get off of their fixation that one day Jacoby will become some pro bowler or has such top tier talent that he could become a defensive back one day.

Look I'll be happy to eat as much crow as you can shove down my throat if Jacoby Jones ever becomes a big time consistent player. If he ever has a 1,000 yard season you can even start off your own thread and tee of on me, but I've seen enough of that guy's actions on the field to know that he's just another Jerome Mathis where people get excited over nothing.

TimeKiller
09-21-2009, 08:47 PM
Nobody thinks JJ is about to be a 1000 yard receiver but throwing a ball his way a few times a game seems to have it's benefits. Just don't fling a ball at him on a quick hit slant route and he usually makes a play. Everybody who has seen an Eagles game knows they are going to try to throw one (at least one) over the top to Desean Jackson because he's fast and catches a big one every couple of games but they still try it every game because it's worth trying. Nobody ever progressed with no chances to progress. Given this chance I say he moved forward as a receiver.

Texecutioner
09-21-2009, 08:51 PM
Nobody thinks JJ is about to be a 1000 yard receiver but throwing a ball his way a few times a game seems to have it's benefits. Just don't fling a ball at him on a quick hit slant route and he usually makes a play. Everybody who has seen an Eagles game knows they are going to try to throw one (at least one) over the top to Desean Jackson because he's fast and catches a big one every couple of games but they still try it every game because it's worth trying. Nobody ever progressed with no chances to progress. Given this chance I say he moved forward as a receiver.

Jacoby Jones and Desean Jackson are not even remotely comparable as players though TK. Desean Jackson is a freaking stud and had a fantastic rookie season. No one on their entire team could even guard him in camp this year. Of course they're going to not only try to throw a few balls to Jackson, but they're going to throw a ton of balls to him if they want to have an offense that is.

Jacoby Jones is more of a guy like Hester or Joshua Cribbs. Those two would be more comparable examples, only Hester and Cribbs are much better at PR/KR than Jacoby is and are both more advanced at being a WR as well even though both of them are in their developmental stages as well. Neither one of them has made anywhere near the mental mistakes that Jacoby has though either.

GuerillaBlack
09-22-2009, 12:29 PM
They just talked about the brawl on ESPN. Adam Scheftler is dumb. He said Andre Johnson would receive a fine. Yeah...I definitely didn't see AJ in the brawl.

Mr. White
09-22-2009, 12:39 PM
They just talked about the brawl on ESPN. Adam Scheftler is dumb. He said Andre Johnson would receive a fine. Yeah...I definitely didn't see AJ in the brawl.

He's probably saying that because a source told him that and not because he thinks he saw Andre getting involved.

At least that's how he usually reports.

Playoffs
09-22-2009, 12:40 PM
Yeah, Schefter only spoke about fines.....not suspensions.

DexmanC
09-22-2009, 01:54 PM
Well he probably felt that way since we probably won't see another TD score from Jacoby Jones for another year or for several games if history has shown us anything about this guy, and we'll be subjected to more of his outlandish PR plays that end up in disaster.

It's no surprise that Jacoby can bust a nice play every now and then, but over all the guy isn't a good player at all. He's a high talented guy that's never going to become a stud of any kind. He's not some rookie any more where people can keep saying "well we'll just let him develop." Hell Kubes was trying to trade the guy before the season but there were no takers. Every team in the league has a guy like Jacoby Jones who can bust a big play every now and then, but the difference is most non Texans fans don't know who these guys are, because they're just 4th and 5th stringers the same way fans of other teams have no clue who Jacoby Jones is hardly, because he isn't anything significant either when he can't even beat out guys like Anderson and Davis as 3rd and 4th string WR's.

I'm with Dale on this one, and I'd rather not have to deal with the muffed punts and the costly TO's that this guy brings.

Wow. Nostradamus says that it is DEFINITE that Jacoby won't reach his
potential. That's a hell of a statement. I chose to err on the side of
the Texans being the team that benefits from his improvement.

HOU-TEX
09-22-2009, 05:37 PM
Looks like Fisher's blaming AJ for starting the ruckus. He says Andre Davis, but means Johnson.

(on if the coach’s tape showed any new footage of the fight)


I could not see anything, coaches tape does not show it. I’ve looked at the TV tape and I couldn’t see a punch thrown. You know, the whole thing started with Andre Davis [Johnson]. Walt Coleman misspoke when he said number 89, it was number 80. It was not number 89. Andre Johnson rather, jerked Cortland (Finnegan) down by the face mask on their boundary and that started the ruckus in the bench area. It was a crack-toss, he grab Cort and they we’re pushing and shoving and he had cloth and pulled him out of bounds, grabbed him down by the face mask and then Cort was trying to get loose. Then Jason (Jones) went in to rescue or whatever. I didn’t see a punch thrown, I’m not questioning whether or not. If you’re going to eject a player, you better be sure that he threw a punch.

http://www.titansonline.com/news/article-1/Coach-Fishers-Monday-Press-Conference/af48116f-60c6-42eb-9ad6-0bb484553f75

GuerillaBlack
09-22-2009, 06:02 PM
lol, i'm calling shenanigans.

Double Barrel
09-22-2009, 06:15 PM
I'm losing respect for Fisher. He's turning into a bigassed crybaby these days. I look forward when Slug Adams forces him to play VY.

Ckw
09-22-2009, 06:26 PM
I'm losing respect for Fisher. He's turning into a bigassed crybaby these days. I look forward when Slug Adams forces him to play VY.

Agreed. How long has he been on the competition committee? It seems ever since he became a "big wig" he has become more and more of a cry baby. He has his team play dirty football yet when other teams dish it back, he screams and moans to the refs.

Wolf
09-23-2009, 05:39 PM
The NFL has fined Titans defensive tackle Jason Jones $5,000 for his role in a sideline brawl during last Sunday's game against the Texans.

Jones was ejected in the third quarter for throwing a punch, according to officials. Jones said he only pushed a Texans player, and television replays of the incident appear to back him up.

“I know what I did,’’ Jones said on Wednesday. “I didn’t punch anybody.’’

Jones, a second-round pick in 2008, said he received the fine in a letter from the NFL on Wednesday.

“I didn’t know what it was going to be,’’ Jones said. “This is the first time I have ever been fined, so I didn’t know what it was going to be. But I am moving on and getting ready to face the Jets.’’

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http://www.tennessean.com/article/20090923/SPORTS01/90923036/1027/Titans+DT+Jones+fined++5+000

JCTexan
09-23-2009, 05:46 PM
Looks like Fisher's blaming AJ for starting the ruckus. He says Andre Davis, but means Johnson.



http://www.titansonline.com/news/article-1/Coach-Fishers-Monday-Press-Conference/af48116f-60c6-42eb-9ad6-0bb484553f75

Wasn't it started by Slaton getting tackled twice? He got tackled by Bullock then again right after. I don't recall seeing Andre in the fight.

infantrycak
09-23-2009, 07:09 PM
Wasn't it started by Slaton getting tackled twice? He got tackled by Bullock then again right after. I don't recall seeing Andre in the fight.

Andre and Finnegan were at it just to the left of the TV angle. Actually at it would be an overstatement. AJ had Finnegan's face mask and was whipping him around like a boxer with a chihuahua in his mouth.

TexansSeminole
09-23-2009, 07:12 PM
Andre and Finnegan were at it just to the left of the TV angle. Actually at it would be an overstatement. AJ had Finnegan's face mask and was whipping him around like a boxer with a chihuahua in his mouth.

Yea he was! Andre sending a message?

Double Barrel
09-23-2009, 07:15 PM
Andre and Finnegan were at it just to the left of the TV angle. Actually at it would be an overstatement. AJ had Finnegan's face mask and was whipping him around like a boxer with a chihuahua in his mouth.

yeah, it was pointed out clearly on the NFL Replay broadcast of the game last night. To be honest, I was a bit surprised to see AJ manhandling him like that, because like you said, it did look like a boxer with a chihuahua in it's mouth.

They only showed it once, so I couldn't tell if Finnegan's momentum was part of the overall scene, but it was evident that AJ was aggressively dealing with the guy.

Wolf
09-23-2009, 07:15 PM
Yea he was! Andre sending a message?

yes , don't anger the quiet giant

barrett
09-23-2009, 07:17 PM
First time I've ever seen him loose his cool. If Jones was fined I'm sure the crackpot staff at the Chronicle will let us know as soon as AJ get's his fine. I expect it to be substantial.

jppaul
09-23-2009, 09:44 PM
I have seen A.J. angry only once and that was when Sammy Knight, then of the KC Chiefs bumped him after he dropped a ball or something, but if anybody can make A.J. mad it certainly is the mad leprechaun.

I remember I said awhile back that that the Titans secondary was grossly overrated, Finnegan in particular, because of the inside pressure of Haynesworth. I remember getting some grief about how pass rush pressure doesn't make that big of a difference in how a secondary looks.

Does anybody think the Titans secondary looks any better than ours?

JCTexan
09-23-2009, 10:24 PM
Does anybody have a link of Andre manhandling him?

Double Barrel
09-23-2009, 10:36 PM
I have seen A.J. angry only once and that was when Sammy Knight, then of the KC Chiefs bumped him after he dropped a ball or something, but if anybody can make A.J. mad it certainly is the mad leprechaun.

I remember I said awhile back that that the Titans secondary was grossly overrated, Finnegan in particular, because of the inside pressure of Haynesworth. I remember getting some grief about how pass rush pressure doesn't make that big of a difference in how a secondary looks.

Does anybody think the Titans secondary looks any better than ours?

wow...whoever argued the bolded against you was clueless. The difference between 2 seconds and 5 seconds in the pocket is huge in terms of coverage. Pass rush/pressure is directly related to coverage. Texans fans, of all people, should know this simple fact.

ObsiWan
09-24-2009, 04:05 AM
Edit...
never mind.

TimeKiller
09-24-2009, 09:21 AM
lol, i'm calling shenanigans.

I second your declaration of shenanigans.

My respect for Jeff Fisher went way down last Sunday. Trying to get his team to get into a fight instead of playing football and then complaining about it when a fight happened and the Titans got the short end of the stick. Sending a 5'9''180ish guy to fight against a 6'3'' 225 man cut out of stone is certainly a coach I would want to play for.... Finnegan's lucky to have a friend to jump in after him because he stands no chance fighting a superhero like AJ.

HOU-TEX
09-24-2009, 10:51 AM
Here are a few quotes from AJ concerning the brawl. Read the rest of his quotes too. I actually got pumped after reading what he was saying. It sounds as if the team got an injection of 'whoop that ass' before and during that game. I hope we see it translate on the field throughout the season.

(on Titans head coach Jeff Fisher saying he started the fight by pulling Titans CB Cortland Finnegan down out of bounds) "If that's how Coach Fisher feels, you know—hey, he watches the film. He knows what goes on out there during those games. That's all I have to say about that."

(on if Titans CB Cortland Finnegan's taunts make him play better) "I wouldn't say it makes me play better. I think it just brings something out of me that people don't normally see. Just some things happen, things I don't normally do, like the fight situation."

(on if he is worried about being fined for the fight) "No. Not really."

(on if he isn't worried because it was all WR David Anderson) "Hey, the penalty was on David, not me. I didn't have anything to do with it."

(on TE Owen Daniels saying that Titans CB Cortland Finnegan took a shot at him even when he was down later in the game) "Yeah, he did. That's him. That's Cortland. That's what you expect from him so, like I said, they know what goes on. They can say what they want to say but they know the things that go on out on the field."

(on if his annoyance of CB Cortland Finnegan has gone a step further to something else) "Sometimes, but that's part of football. It's a physical game. Everybody has their own plan. So, we just choose to deal with it the way we choose to deal with it."

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=5603

Texan_Bill
09-24-2009, 10:55 AM
Here are a few quotes from AJ concerning the brawl. Read the rest of his quotes too. I actually got pumped after reading what he was saying. It sounds as if the team got an injection of 'whoop that ass' before and during that game. I hope we see it translate on the field throughout the season.



http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=5603

That's a baaaaaaaaaad man!!!!