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gtexan02
09-20-2009, 10:32 PM
Wow. They've played the number 3 and number 5 offenses from last year, and so far, they've yet to allow a single offensive touchdown. Sanchez looks like a veteran.

edo783
09-20-2009, 10:39 PM
It certainly lead credence to them being good. At the very least, it shows the HC knows what the heck he is doing with a 34 defense.

Carr Bombed
09-20-2009, 10:47 PM
Yes they are...People forget they were a damn good team last year......their QB just shot them in the foot down the stretch. They lost, because of Farve, not because of the team they have. Sanchez just has to play smart and they can beat just about anybody.

Second Honeymoon
09-20-2009, 11:18 PM
Yes they are...People forget they were a damn good team last year......their QB just shot them in the foot down the stretch. They lost, because of Farve, not because of the team they have. Sanchez just has to play smart and they can beat just about anybody.

Well to be honest Favre was playing injured...not hurt but injured, but yeah his play was partially responsible for their late season nosedive last year, but he wasn't the only guy. Their defense couldn't get off the field on 3rd Down either.

Ryan has come in and changed that obviously. To hold the Patriots to field goals, is a mammoth feat. Just incredible. He comes in and they don't give up a touchdown on defense for 2 straight games...facing Texans and Patriots offenses which were both coming into 2009 with very high expectations.

The Jets look good and this time they have a QB that doesn't have as much wear on his tires so the sky is the limit.

GO TEXANS

Hooston Texan
09-21-2009, 12:07 PM
The other issue for the Jets last year was Kris Jenkins getting hurt. He was as dominant early last year as he was against us, but after he got hurt, the Jet run defense sagged badly. Before his injury in the 11th game, the Jets were giving up only 77 yards a game on the ground (just a tenth-of-a-yard more than what the much-hyped Williams Wall gave up in Minnesota). In the five game after his injury, the Jets gave up 132 yards/game on the ground despite playing only one playoff team (Miami) in those five games.

But even more so than last season, Jenkins is the key to everything Ryan wants to do. He can't unleash his exotic blitzes until obvious passing downs, so he needs to stuff the run on early downs; Jenkins is about the closest thing in the NFL right now to a one-man-run-stuffer. Once they've got you in long yardage, the offense basically has to guess right as far as where the blitz is coming from in order to make a dent in the Jet pass defense, so the odds are just not good. But they need Jenkins to make sure they get the other team into long-yardage situations.

Other than Drew Brees' flying circus, the Jet defense is the story of the season so far.

HoustonFrog
09-21-2009, 12:09 PM
This just goes to show you what the right mentality can bring when a coach brings an aggressive attitude. They just don't talk a big game, they get after people. That and they were already talented last year.

Texecutioner
09-21-2009, 12:13 PM
Yes they are...People forget they were a damn good team last year......their QB just shot them in the foot down the stretch. They lost, because of Farve, not because of the team they have. Sanchez just has to play smart and they can beat just about anybody.

Come on now CB, they didn't lose because of Favre. Favre played a big role in those last few games, but it wasn't all on him like you're claiming. Favre was hurt for one, and was still playing and Coles was absolutely atrocious in those last few games with the big drops he had in crucial moments of a few of those games. Their D line wasn't dominating people at the end of the season last year either. Their defense last year was very Jeckell and Hyde actually. Some games they would dominate while others they'd give up a lot of points. This year they have a lot more discipline and Ryan brought in a few of HIS GUYS and their a much better defense.

As soon as I saw Sanchez's first two pre season games I said he'd be a very good NFL QB. He continues to keep improving and him being their starter won't hurt them that much this year I don't think. They are a running team any way, and he's capable of making nice plays.

HoustonFrog
09-21-2009, 12:22 PM
Come on now CB, they didn't lose because of Favre. Favre played a big role in those last few games, but it wasn't all on him like you're claiming. Favre was hurt for one, and was still playing and Coles was absolutely atrocious in those last few games with the big drops he had in crucial moments of a few of those games. Their D line wasn't dominating people at the end of the season last year either. Their defense last year was very Jeckell and Hyde actually. Some games they would dominate while others they'd give up a lot of points. This year they have a lot more discipline and Ryan brought in a few of HIS GUYS and their a much better defense.

As soon as I saw Sanchez's first two pre season games I said he'd be a very good NFL QB. He continues to keep improving and him being their starter won't hurt them that much this year I don't think. They are a running team any way, and he's capable of making nice plays.

I'm not sure on that. He threw big time ints in games that they really needed and even said he hurt them. Again, he was hurt but the dropoff was huge once that happened. His last 3 games were 2, 2 and 3 in interceptions.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/09/09/vikings.favre.ap/index.html

Favre said on Wednesday he felt like he was harming the Jets with slight misses on some throws. He said he spoke with the general manager, offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach -- he didn't name head coach Eric Mangini -- but the consensus was to finish out that season.

Carr Bombed
09-21-2009, 12:27 PM
Come on now CB, they didn't lose because of Favre. Favre played a big role in those last few games, but it wasn't all on him like you're claiming. Favre was hurt for one, and was still playing and Coles was absolutely atrocious in those last few games with the big drops he had in crucial moments of a few of those games. Their D line wasn't dominating people at the end of the season last year either. Their defense last year was very Jeckell and Hyde actually. Some games they would dominate while others they'd give up a lot of points. This year they have a lot more discipline and Ryan brought in a few of HIS GUYS and their a much better defense.

As soon as I saw Sanchez's first two pre season games I said he'd be a very good NFL QB. He continues to keep improving and him being their starter won't hurt them that much this year I don't think. They are a running team any way, and he's capable of making nice plays.


I know Farve was hurt, (everybody in the world knows he was hurt, even children in India were able to watch the ESPN reports from his front lawn this summer reporting on his rehab) but it still doesn't change the fact that he was the biggest reason why they faded last season.....due to injury or not.

http://www.nfl.com/players/brettfavre/gamelogs?id=FAV540222&season=2008

All you got to do is look at his last 5 games (after the 8-3 start the Jets got off too) and it's painfully obviously that as soon as Brett Farve hit the wall with that injury and his QB rating fell into the 60s then slipped into the 40s the Jets season slipped away also. During those last 5 games, Farve only threw 2 TDs to 9 INTS. (that's almost half the amount that he threw all year)

Fox
09-21-2009, 12:28 PM
Their defense with RR looks like it's going to be destroying opponents all year long. From our game and the Jets-Pats highlights I saw it seems as though his scheme hasn't been figured out yet.

MojoMan
09-21-2009, 12:31 PM
At this moment the Jet's appear to be the best team in the AFC. If they continue to play like they have the last two games, they should be in a good position to make a run at the Super Bowl this year.

Ryan
09-21-2009, 12:39 PM
Yes, they are very good. I think if we see them beat the Titans this week, which i definitely hope happens, many more eyes will be open. Teams with attitude generally have success.

TimeKiller
09-21-2009, 12:48 PM
THAT good?

No.

Are they a handful? Oh yes. Sanchez isn't my hero yet. He's faced an absent Texans' D and a young Patriot D. Tennessee will be boiling over next week but if it's them or someone else...I think the key is going to be getting to Sanchez. The first team to do that probably beats 'em up.

TexansSeminole
09-21-2009, 12:56 PM
Anybody watch this game? I watched a lot of it when the Texans game was at commercial or in between snaps.

The Pats D isn't what it once was. They play a lot of 4-3 now because they simply don't have the personnel to play the 3-4 anymore. Who's the captain of the defense? Jerod Mayo. He's injured, didn't play.

Pats offense. Who moves the chains for that Pats offense. Wes Welker. He's injured, didn't play.

The Jets are good, their defense is very good, but in week 2 most teams don't have to worry about playing without 2 of their top 3 or 4 players. The Pats did, and they kept it pretty damn close anyway. They really should have lost this game by more.

Usually when Brady gets blitzed, he goes to Wes Welker. Welker is key to that offense. It hurt them bad in that game. The Jets just kept blitzing and the Pats slot recievers weren't getting open like Welker does.

Yea the Jets beat the Pats, but your not talking about your normal Pats team.

Hooston Texan
09-21-2009, 12:58 PM
Looking at the schedule today, the game of the year appears to be coming in two weeks: Jets at New Orleans. Brees against the Ryan D is going to be epic.

(To answer the question posed by the thread: the Jet defense IS that good. The Jet offense will be pedestrian, but that will work for them.)

76Texan
09-21-2009, 01:11 PM
Anybody watch this game? I watched a lot of it when the Texans game was at commercial or in between snaps.

The Pats D isn't what it once was. They play a lot of 4-3 now because they simply don't have the personnel to play the 3-4 anymore. Who's the captain of the defense? Jerod Mayo. He's injured, didn't play.

Pats offense. Who moves the chains for that Pats offense. Wes Welker. He's injured, didn't play.

The Jets are good, their defense is very good, but in week 2 most teams don't have to worry about playing without 2 of their top 3 or 4 players. The Pats did, and they kept it pretty damn close anyway. They really should have lost this game by more.

Usually when Brady gets blitzed, he goes to Wes Welker. Welker is key to that offense. It hurt them bad in that game. The Jets just kept blitzing and the Pats slot recievers weren't getting open like Welker does.

Yea the Jets beat the Pats, but your not talking about your normal Pats team.
I just watched the first half.
The Pats had many chances to score TDs but had to settle for 3 FGs.
A lot of close plays that could have gone their way, but didn't.

Texecutioner
09-21-2009, 01:15 PM
At this moment the Jet's appear to be the best team in the AFC. If they continue to play like they have the last two games, they should be in a good position to make a run at the Super Bowl this year.

Best team in the AFC? No way will they be the best team in the AFC? Not with those WR's on offense and a rookie QB there.

Teams will eventually start scoring better against that defense. THey look like they are a very good team though. Ryan will be a very good coach in my opinion.

kastofsna
09-21-2009, 06:31 PM
the Pats dominated time of possession that first half. they didn't take advantage of opprotunities when they had em. Brady marched up and down the field with 3 minutes to go in the first half.

i like their blitzing when most teams go to prevent, though.

Bipolar The Titan
09-21-2009, 06:43 PM
I guess I'll find out Sunday... :thinking:

MojoMan
09-21-2009, 06:56 PM
Best team in the AFC? No way will they be the best team in the AFC? Not with those WR's on offense and a rookie QB there.

Teams will eventually start scoring better against that defense. THey look like they are a very good team though. Ryan will be a very good coach in my opinion.

I agree with you. That is why I said "at this moment the Jet's appear to be the best team in the AFC."

Also, other teams will start to spot patterns in Sanchez play, and then the game will become more difficult for him. The Jet's are not unbeatable.

But as of this moment, after the first two games, which team in the AFC appears to be stronger than the New York Jets, in your opinion?

gary
09-21-2009, 06:59 PM
An all NY SB anyone?

Texecutioner
09-21-2009, 07:47 PM
I agree with you. That is why I said "at this moment the Jet's appear to be the best team in the AFC."

Also, other teams will start to spot patterns in Sanchez play, and then the game will become more difficult for him. The Jet's are not unbeatable.

But as of this moment, after the first two games, which team in the AFC appears to be stronger than the New York Jets, in your opinion?

The Baltimore Ravens and the Pittsburgh Steelers both are stronger teams than they are. THey both have proven QB's and great defenses as well. Pitt may have lost but make no mistake about it, Pittsburgh isn't about to fall off with all of that great talent on D.

I still think that the Colts are a better team than them if they win tonight as well. They've got Manning there and I'd have to put them higher up there with the history of success the Colts have had.

But hey, the Jets just won a huge game against the Pats and are playing very well.

Showtime100
09-21-2009, 08:18 PM
I don't think they are as good as what the press thinks of them, but they are really good. I honestly believe they'll blitz their way into a good blueprint to be used against them. I have no reason to think they won't be in the playoffs, but for now all I care about is how they play next week. Tennessee is staring right down the 0-3 barrel.

Sal Rosenberg
09-21-2009, 11:02 PM
Wow. They've played the number 3 and number 5 offenses from last year, and so far, they've yet to allow a single offensive touchdown. Sanchez looks like a veteran.

They are who we thought they were not!!! LMAO!!I think...

TexansSeminole
09-22-2009, 10:43 AM
Jets offense will get exposed against the Titans. Their defense is good but their offense isn't very good. They have played our defense, and a rebuilding Pats defense who's best player is injured.

I love their defense, but this love affair with Sanchez is way overblown. He's been successfully not messing up, but he hasn't won anything yet. Its the defense that is winning them games.

Some of you are acting like beating the Pats is like beating an elite team. The Pats are not an elite team this year without Welker and Mayo. They most likely aren't an elite team with those two either. Look at that Pats team. That team almost lost to Buffalo WITH Jerod Mayo and Wes Welker. They didn't even have those two available for the Jets game.

Showtime100
09-22-2009, 10:46 AM
Jets offense will get exposed against the Titans. Their defense is good but their offense isn't very good. They have played our defense, and a rebuilding Pats defense who's best player is injured.

I love their defense, but this love affair with Sanchez is way overblown. He's been successfully not messing up, but he hasn't won anything yet. Its the defense that is winning them games.

Look at that Pats team they beat. That team almost lost to Buffalo WITH Jerod Mayo and Wes Welker. They didn't even have those two available for the Jets game.

Ditto. I just haven't bought the Jets yet. Maybe after a few weeks, but not yet.

TexansSeminole
09-22-2009, 10:50 AM
Ditto. I just haven't bought the Jets yet. Maybe after a few weeks, but not yet.

I think a lot of people here are buying into it because we got our ass kicked by them, so its convenient.

TexansSeminole
10-19-2009, 12:12 AM
Well, the Jets started out 3-0. They are now 3-3.

The latest loss was against the Bills where Mark Sanchez went 10-29 for 119 yards and 5 interceptions. Yes, 5 interceptions. This is in a close game that went into overtime, not a game where the Jets were trying to come back.

Mark Sanchez for the season has 1035 yards on 52% completion percentage with 5 TDs and 10 interceptions. He is starting to show his true colors.

The defense has remained more than solid, but not quite as spectacular as they started. The run game has been pretty good too.

It all comes down to Sanchez, he is killing that team right now.

I guess the answer to the thread title right now is no, they aren't that good.

Spled
10-19-2009, 12:23 AM
Sanchez didn't bobble the snap for the field goal. He didn't make the endless false starts.

TexansSeminole
10-19-2009, 12:28 AM
Sanchez didn't bobble the snap for the field goal. He didn't make the endless false starts.

He threw 5 interceptions in a game that went into overtime and was won by a field goal. If you can ever pin a loss on one player, this would be the type of situation where you would do that.

kastofsna
10-19-2009, 07:29 AM
He is starting to show his true colors.

you mean the fact that he's a rookie? yes.

TexansSeminole
10-19-2009, 09:31 AM
you mean the fact that he's a rookie? yes.

That he is an inexperienced quarterback period. The fact that he barely played any college football is showing. He doesn't really understand situational football yet. The kind of thing that a guy like Matt Ryan understood before he entered the draft, Sanchez is still trying to grasp. Perhaps this is what Pete Carrol was talking about when he basically said that Sanchez wasn't ready.

He'll figure it out eventually, but he better do it quick because the Jets are 3-3.

kastofsna
10-19-2009, 09:32 AM
yeah, he had like 14 starts at USC or something. no doubt.

but he's looked pretty good at times.

TexansSeminole
10-19-2009, 09:48 AM
yeah, he had like 14 starts at USC or something. no doubt.

but he's looked pretty good at times.

He's got what it takes, but it is starting to look a little bit like he wasn't ready. Division games are the most important. He threw 3 interceptions against Miami and 5 against Buffalo. The INT in OT against Buffalo hurt the Jets so bad. He threw it right to Posluzney at the 40 yard line.

Its hard for a team to overcome 3 or 5 interceptions.

ChampionTexan
10-19-2009, 10:01 AM
It sounds like there's a decent chance that Kris Jenkins is out for the season with a knee injury - I would imagine we'll find out one way or the other today or tomorrow.

If he is out for the season, that could be a big enough difference to turn them from a playoff team to middle of the pack.

gtexan02
10-19-2009, 10:27 AM
Man I wish we could have played week 7 jets instead of week 1 jets