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Porky
09-17-2009, 10:25 AM
I know Mr. Mcnair doesn't play a down on the field, but I think some of our problems come right from the top. It's all about attitude, and Bob Mcnair comes off like someone's Grandfather that is disapointed his Grand Daughter came home with a B instead of an A on her report card.

I was watching I think Channel 13 last night, so no link - but they interviewed McNair, and he was asked about what he thinks the fans must feel and his answer was basically almost word for word- Well, I'm disapointed too just like the fans. And his deameaner was to speak gingerly and grandfatherly. No passion at all in his voice.

No Bob, I'm not disapointed. I'm pissed. I'm mad as hell. I wanted to take a sledge hammer to the TV. I wished I would have seen you say yes I am mad as hell about this loss. It was inexcusable to come out and lay an egg on opening day at home. Show some friggin passion and act like you care about something more than the number of beer sales in the stadium. Football is war. Instead of General Patton, you act more like a combination of Colin Powell and Mr. Rodgers.

It all starts at the top, and we have Mr Whipple as owner. No wonder this team is soft.

I'm mad as hell, and until the owner is too, we are doomed to failure. :brickwall:

Silver Oak
09-17-2009, 10:31 AM
I know Mr. Mcnair doesn't play a down on the field, but I think some of our problems come right from the top. It's all about attitude, and Bob Mcnair comes off like someone's Grandfather that is disapointed his Grand Daughter came home with a B instead of an A on her report card.

I was watching I think Channel 13 last night, so no link - but they interviewed McNair, and he was asked about what he thinks the fans must feel and his answer was basically almost word for word- Well, I'm disapointed too just like the fans. And his deameaner was to speak gingerly and grandfatherly. No passion at all in his voice.

No Bob, I'm not disapointed. I'm pissed. I'm mad as hell. I wanted to take a sledge hammer to the TV. I wished I would have seen you say yes I am mad as hell about this loss. It was inexcusable to come out and lay an egg on opening day at home. Show some friggin passion and act like you care about something more than the number of beer sales in the stadium. Football is war. Instead of General Patton, you act more like a combination of Colin Powell and Mr. Rodgers.

It all starts at the top, and we have Mr Whipple as owner. No wonder this team is soft.

I'm mad as hell, and until the owner is too, we are doomed to failure. :brickwall:

I'm mad right there with you Porky, but would it really help for him to get red-faced, yell, and threaten the players and coaches? I don't think so.

The man is successful in business, and I think we just have to wait for results now. That said, I'm pretty sure there was some heat in the meeting he and Rick Smith meet with Kubiak, but it doesn't translate very well to see a panicked owner getting angry on the news.

stingray
09-17-2009, 10:36 AM
Come on Man, He's the owner not the coach. The Rams won a Super Bowl with a women owner who only showed up to one game which was the super Bowl during their super bowl run. Tom Landry and Bill Walsh who were coaches won five super bowls between them. And nobody in football came off more "grandfatherly" than those two. And I don't remember Art Rooney being a "vocal and passionate owner".

HoustonFrog
09-17-2009, 10:42 AM
I know Mr. Mcnair doesn't play a down on the field, but I think some of our problems come right from the top. It's all about attitude, and Bob Mcnair comes off like someone's Grandfather that is disapointed his Grand Daughter came home with a B instead of an A on her report card.

I was watching I think Channel 13 last night, so no link - but they interviewed McNair, and he was asked about what he thinks the fans must feel and his answer was basically almost word for word- Well, I'm disapointed too just like the fans. And his deameaner was to speak gingerly and grandfatherly. No passion at all in his voice.

No Bob, I'm not disapointed. I'm pissed. I'm mad as hell. I wanted to take a sledge hammer to the TV. I wished I would have seen you say yes I am mad as hell about this loss. It was inexcusable to come out and lay an egg on opening day at home. Show some friggin passion and act like you care about something more than the number of beer sales in the stadium. Football is war. Instead of General Patton, you act more like a combination of Colin Powell and Mr. Rodgers.

It all starts at the top, and we have Mr Whipple as owner. No wonder this team is soft.

I'm mad as hell, and until the owner is too, we are doomed to failure. :brickwall:

You forgot to add that he also lets nice guys stay around past their usefullness. :)

I'm sure behind closed doors, as a great businessman, that he gets more than heated. I just don't think he is going to show the public that.

Porky
09-17-2009, 10:48 AM
I'm not saying the guy has to turn red and start stomping his feet, but he doesn't have to come off like Mr. Rodgers either. How about saying yes I feel the fan's pain. I'm angry too and believe me I am not at all satisfied with this, and we're going to get this thing turned around and say it with some feeling like you mean it. He doesn't have to yell to show some passion and show the fans he cares more about the product on the field more than the dough he is raking in. I don't see it right now.

Spike
09-17-2009, 10:53 AM
I think it is hard for any of us to get a real feel for McNair's true feelings from a TV interview. Say what you want about McNair, but he is a class act and understands that certain matters are best handled internally. He may not be happy at all with how things are being handled, but he knows better than to publically throw his people under the bus.

I have been recently critical of Kubes as well, but take the same thing away from his press conferences. I am sure that his response behind closed doors to his coaches and players is completely different from what we see. I am not sure that this has made him any more effective of a coach, but just because we don't see him get fired up in front of the cameras, doesn't mean that it isn't happening.

CloakNNNdagger
09-17-2009, 11:22 AM
Come on Man, He's the owner not the coach. The Rams won a Super Bowl with a women owner who only showed up to one game which was the super Bowl during their super bowl run. Tom Landry and Bill Walsh who were coaches won five super bowls between them. And nobody in football came off more "grandfatherly" than those two. And I don't remember Art Rooney being a "vocal and passionate owner".

I seem to remember, though, that Landry's and Walsh's players had a way of just "disappearing" when they didn't produce.:pirate:

DexmanC
09-17-2009, 11:24 AM
Come on Man, He's the owner not the coach. The Rams won a Super Bowl with a women owner who only showed up to one game which was the super Bowl during their super bowl run. Tom Landry and Bill Walsh who were coaches won five super bowls between them. And nobody in football came off more "grandfatherly" than those two. And I don't remember Art Rooney being a "vocal and passionate owner".

Bill Walsh had a grandfatherly PUBLIC persona, but his former players
state that behind closed doors, he'd cuss them up one side the field
and down the other. I believe ALL of our Texans front office, including
the coach, are the same way. It would be counter-productive to rip
your own family in front of company.

GP
09-17-2009, 11:28 AM
I know Mr. Mcnair doesn't play a down on the field, but I think some of our problems come right from the top. It's all about attitude, and Bob Mcnair comes off like someone's Grandfather that is disapointed his Grand Daughter came home with a B instead of an A on her report card.

I was watching I think Channel 13 last night, so no link - but they interviewed McNair, and he was asked about what he thinks the fans must feel and his answer was basically almost word for word- Well, I'm disapointed too just like the fans. And his deameaner was to speak gingerly and grandfatherly. No passion at all in his voice.

No Bob, I'm not disapointed. I'm pissed. I'm mad as hell. I wanted to take a sledge hammer to the TV. I wished I would have seen you say yes I am mad as hell about this loss. It was inexcusable to come out and lay an egg on opening day at home. Show some friggin passion and act like you care about something more than the number of beer sales in the stadium. Football is war. Instead of General Patton, you act more like a combination of Colin Powell and Mr. Rodgers.

It all starts at the top, and we have Mr Whipple as owner. No wonder this team is soft.

I'm mad as hell, and until the owner is too, we are doomed to failure. :brickwall:

I wasn't out in front of the "David Carr is what's wrong" situation. I had faith in him until the last season he was here.

I jumped ship on the Matt Schaub deal halfway through the first season, and then promptly ate crow last season when he went on a good run for the last half of the year.

But I have been out in front on this deal with our owner.

And I had caught a pretty good chunk of hell for it, too. I was called names, got negative rep for it, and was laughed at for even considering an attempt to say that our owner is the root of all evils. "He brought NFL football back to Houston!" was the rallying cry against my posts on this topic.

I called him "shrewd to a fault," and was promptly told that a man who spends $28 bazillion dollars of his own money to bring the team back to Houston could surely not be evidence that the man is a penny pincher.

But we have lots of proof that he is shrewd not in the aspects of inanimate objects: Stadiums, locker rooms, facilities of all sorts, logo an dimage and branding of our team identity. But his shrewdness is evidenced in his attempts to catch coaches who are up-and-coming (saves money instead of going after big names, obviously). His shrewdness is then off-set by a radical departure from said shrewdness in the idea of paying David Carr $8 million for one season. And now Dunta Robinson for one season.

News Flash: The common factor in paying David and Dunta almost $10 million for one season of complete non-productivity and lack of overall worth to the team itself is....Bob McNair. He signed off on those deals. Rick wasn't here long enough yet for the Carr extension meetings and the decision to do so.

I have a feeling that Bob McNair pushed for both those extensions. If he did that for David (mandating that Kubiak work with David to rescue him)...then why wouldn't he do this for the other "face" of this team: Dunta?

Too many eerily similar situations with David and Dunta, for my tastes. Paying guys on speculation, not on current productivity.

Unless Bob has a Rooney or Kraft "NFL OWNERSHIP 101" book accidentally dropped onto his head this year, we might be in for a tough stretch as Texans fans.

And "Yes," Porky this team is a reflection of its leader. It's trickle-down leadership, IMO.

GP
09-17-2009, 11:30 AM
I seem to remember, though, that Landry's and Walsh's players had a way of just "disappearing" when they didn't produce.:pirate:

This.

End of discussion, IMO.

HoustonFrog
09-17-2009, 11:33 AM
Bill Walsh had a grandfatherly PUBLIC persona, but his former players
state that behind closed doors, he'd cuss them up one side the field
and down the other. I believe ALL of our Texans front office, including
the coach, are the same way. It would be counter-productive to rip
your own family in front of company.

One of my best and closest friends that I played football with is a Bill Walsh disciple. Played at Stanford, coached under him at Stanford and now is the first African-american head football coach in Yale history. He always told us stories about Walsh and how he commanded respect. Some guys like him and Landry just had a look or could say many things in fewer words but people got the point. What it all comes down to is knowledge though. People can tell who has it in this business vs other business.

Hookem Horns
09-17-2009, 11:39 AM
How many owners can you name that come off like Tom Coughlin? I can't think of many. Most stay behind the scenes and don't even do those types of interviews.

Jerry Jones is one guy that I do see getting red faced and mad. I know many Cowboys fans that stopped following the team because they can't stand him.

HOU-TEX
09-17-2009, 11:42 AM
How many owners can you name that come off like Tom Coughlin? I can't think of many. Most stay behind the scenes and don't even do those types of interviews.

Jerry Jones is one guy that I do see getting red faced and mad. I know many Cowboys fans that stopped following the team because they can't stand him.

Tom Benson can be an asshat. Well, actually he is an asshat.

eriadoc
09-17-2009, 11:45 AM
A certain segment of the fans always want a coach/owner/GM/whatever management that will come out and publicly blast the team and/or individual players. It's not happening, nor should it.

Mr. White
09-17-2009, 11:47 AM
Jerry Jones is one guy that I do see getting red faced and mad. I know many Cowboys fans that stopped following the team because they can't stand him.

While he's easily one of the most meddlesome of owners, I just don't see him acting any different than McNair did in front of the camera.

The only guy I can think of that would totally throw a coach under the bus is Al Davis.

HoustonFrog
09-17-2009, 11:48 AM
How many owners can you name that come off like Tom Coughlin? I can't think of many. Most stay behind the scenes and don't even do those types of interviews.

Jerry Jones is one guy that I do see getting red faced and mad. I know many Cowboys fans that stopped following the team because they can't stand him.

I still follow them and I rarely see him go off. He can say some things or have a crazy look where you know he is bothered but he usually just gives short answers and acts a little defensive when this happens. He never really gets mad for the public. I'm just not sure I'd see McNair get screaming mad behind closed doors. I may be wrong.

Porky
09-17-2009, 11:57 AM
Organizations take on the attitude of the leadership.

Bob McNair is Mr. Rodgers, and Rick Smith isn't exactly a fire breathing dragon either. McNair has hired a bunch of nice guys both on the field and off to reflect his own leadership style and personality.

The teams personaility is his own. This team is softer than day old bread because of McNairs style and his decisions.

It starts at the top folks. Denile ain't just a river in Egypt! :gun:

Norg
09-17-2009, 12:06 PM
I like mcnair much better then the Owner up north ......

HoustonFrog
09-17-2009, 12:09 PM
I like mcnair much better then the Owner up north ......

If Jones got you 3 SBs and then acted hands on, would you say that?Honest question. Being a nice guy that doesn't meddle has its downfalls too.

Double Barrel
09-17-2009, 12:14 PM
We ain't gonna' change the owner, so what are you going to do? You have two basic choices: suffer the long haul as a Texans fan until this owner finally hires the right HC/GM, or quit being a Texans fan.

Calm and collective is Uncle Bob's personality. He simply isn't going to be a fiery or meddlesome owner. He hires people that he believes reflect the direction and persona that he wants to go, so in that regard it is his fault. However, he doesn't micromanage football decisions - with the exception of HWSNBN - so operations and outcomes ultimately lies at the feet of whatever HC/GM are running the show.

Almost everyone jumps on me for poking fun at the manufactured traditions (like Battle Red, first down chants, etc.) and the whole Reliant World Gameday Experience, but this is the marketing concepts being implemented by Bob McNair's agenda. And really, we have to ask ourself, is this entire venture about making money more than it is fielding a championship caliber product?

I have absolutely no doubt that Mr. McNair wants his team to win. Not only is it good for business and the bottom line, but I do believe that he's a fan of football and wants to be part of a winning team like the rest of us.

How he goes about achieving that goal is where the rubber meets the road. It seems to me that the parameters that have been established as the foundations for which coaches and players to hire is where we might find the limitations imposed that make it a bit tougher to achieve said goal. And those parameters have clearly been established by the team's owner.

I'm not doggin' McNair and he has my eternal gratitude for bringing football back to Houston. But, that does not make him immune from being looked at as part of the overall product that we pour our hearts, minds, and pocketbooks into for support.

Silver Oak
09-17-2009, 12:16 PM
I thought the interview Mr. McNair gave last week (before The Game) was as indicative to a dressing down of Kubiak as I have ever heard from him. To paraphrase..."I think Gary's a good coach, and I expect good things this season".

I think a translation from business-speak is "I want to see improved results this season".

Porky
09-17-2009, 12:26 PM
We ain't gonna' change the owner, so what are you going to do? You have two basic choices: suffer the long haul as a Texans fan until this owner finally hires the right HC/GM, or quit being a Texans fan.

Calm and collective is Uncle Bob's personality. He simply isn't going to be a fiery or meddlesome owner. He hires people that he believes reflect the direction and persona that he wants to go, so in that regard it is his fault. However, he doesn't micromanage football decisions - with the exception of HWSNBN - so operations and outcomes ultimately lies at the feet of whatever HC/GM are running the show.

Almost everyone jumps on me for poking fun at the manufactured traditions (like Battle Red, first down chants, etc.) and the whole Reliant World Gameday Experience, but this is the marketing concepts being implemented by Bob McNair's agenda. And really, we have to ask ourself, is this entire venture about making money more than it is fielding a championship caliber product?

I have absolutely no doubt that Mr. McNair wants his team to win. Not only is it good for business and the bottom line, but I do believe that he's a fan of football and wants to be part of a winning team like the rest of us.

How he goes about achieving that goal is where the rubber meets the road. It seems to me that the parameters that have been established as the foundations for which coaches and players to hire is where we might find the limitations imposed that make it a bit tougher to achieve said goal. And those parameters have clearly been established by the team's owner.

I'm not doggin' McNair and he has my eternal gratitude for bringing football back to Houston. But, that does not make him immune from being looked at as part of the overall product that we pour our hearts, minds, and pocketbooks into for support.


Good post, but the part I highlighted is my overarching point. People tend to want people around them that are like themselves. And when an organization fails, it's more than fair to look at the top to see what kind of direction the CEO/President/Owner is taking the organization. That's why companies fire CEO's. He hires the managers, and the managers hire the employees, but let's not kid ourselves. This team has Bob McNairs persona and personality written all over it. And he isn't going to hire a badass like Bill Cohwer even if Cowher was interested because Bob isn't enammored with ass kickers like Cowher. He wants nice guys all the way around - GM's, coaches and players need to be nice guys, and that's exactly what this team is.