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HoustonFrog
12-08-2009, 10:54 AM
I'm starting to really despise Bob McNair. Thanks for bringing a team to Houston, but you're a crappy owner if you would keep this coach again. Seriously. We don't even have to get Cowher, but we need a new direction.

I try not to be extreme but this is a feeling I've seen from many. This is the point, whether he has football owning skills or not, that he needs to reach out to the big names and say "I want to start winning and will get you what you need." You have to take that shot and show the fan base you will take that shot. You have to be able to face rejection and at least know. Just waiting and sitting on your hands for another incremental difference is assinine.

Mr. White
12-08-2009, 10:56 AM
I'm starting to really despise Bob McNair. Thanks for bringing a team to Houston, but you're a crappy owner if you would keep this coach again. Seriously. We don't even have to get Cowher, but we need a new direction.

It's funny how he thinks Kubiak deserves another year. It's even funnier how that year coincides with the final year of Kubiak's contract.

We keep hearing about how McNair wants to see W's, but I don't see any evidence that he's willing to pay the price for W's.

noxiousdog
12-08-2009, 10:59 AM
Gruden isn't on the market any more. He signed a nice extention with ABC

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/11/17/mail/index.html?eref=sihp


To make it clear, Gruden told me he definitely would not coach anywhere in 2010 and didn't plan on coaching the year after; and ESPN vice president Norby Williamson told colleague Richard Deitsch that Gruden would "absolutely'' be at ESPN for the 2011 season.

Second Honeymoon
12-08-2009, 12:04 PM
From the radio show...no link.....

That same little birdie also told him that we could expect Kubiak to stay even if he only wins 2 more games and goes 7-9. McNair thinks that the losses are really on the players.

He also said that McNair is one of the owners that wants to get player compensation under control. Couple that with his aversion to pay a big name coach....

Are we really sure that McNair isn't cheap?

of course he is cheap. he has been cheap for going on 8 years...but don't tell that to the McNair people who act like he donated the money to buy the Texans.

Lucky
12-08-2009, 12:20 PM
I'm starting to really despise Bob McNair.
Hold your horses. The stuff from 1560 is just heresay. McNair has not said for sure that Kubiak is or isn't coming back. He won't until the season ends. I've always found the Texans willing to bend over to please the fans. I can't see him keeping Kubiak with such a groundswell to replace him. Besides, what McNair is saying privately now could change by 1/4/2010.

Vinny
12-08-2009, 12:24 PM
Hold your horses. The stuff from 1560 is just heresay. McNair has not said for sure that Kubiak is or isn't coming back. He won't until the season ends. I've always found the Texans willing to bend over to please the fans. I can't see him keeping Kubiak with such a groundswell to replace him. Besides, what McNair is saying privately now could change by 1/4/2010.
agreed. Let's let Bob's actions define him. He's really never been in this kind of a position and there is no reason to despise McNair on speculation. If you didn't despise him when we were 5-3 there is no reason to do it now. The Casserly-Capers situation was obvious since there was widespread incompetency.

Personally, I think the peter principle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Principle) is in play here with Kubiak. It's gotta be a tough place for the owner.

TigerWoods..Not
12-08-2009, 04:20 PM
I see a bunch of threads about wanting to get rid of him. Therefore, who do you think we should go after?

GlassHalfFull
12-08-2009, 04:26 PM
I see a bunch of threads talking about who his replacement should be. Do we really need another?

mussop
12-08-2009, 04:29 PM
tiger woods should no longer be refered to as Tiger. From now on he is Cheeta Woods. :)

LonerATO
12-08-2009, 04:29 PM
I see a bunch of threads talking about who his replacement should be. Do we really need another?

or another 4 years, does this player deserve us or a why why why us threads

El Tejano
12-09-2009, 01:25 PM
Sorry to keep this thread going but the idea just popped into my head. If Cowher were to come to Houston, do you believe Dick Lebeau would come here also? If so, that makes me want Cowher all the more. Sure Dick Lebeau runs the 3-4 Zone Blitz, but I believe he is a good enough coordinator to smooth over the transition.

You got guys like Hampton saying he would come to Houston if Cowher did, and if Dick Lebeau comes with the package then why would you not want this deal? To me, the fact that more talent in players and staff would come, would make Cowher a much more sufficient coaching hire than anybody else we are talking about.

texans3964
12-09-2009, 01:40 PM
lets go with cower.

OzzO
12-09-2009, 02:01 PM
Didn't want to start a new thread, and since my question ties into the coaching situation...

610 was saying this morning that at the roast of Johnny Mac that Bum Phillips apparently went into a speech that started changing minds towards keeping Kubiak. I missed what was said so would anyone know what was said or have a link to it? Apparently, it was a pretty good arguement for Kubiak.

Marcus
12-09-2009, 02:20 PM
I'm too lazy to start a new thread also. I was talking to a friend of mine who is ex pro ball player, and we were talking about how the media and fans were naturally calling for Kubiak's head. He used to play for the Steelers, Oilers, and the Dolphins. When I mentioned Cowher, he shook his head and said "be careful what you wish for. He'll bring his own people in, he'll get rid of most of the players, and announce he wants to build his own team, and he'll want 4 to 5 years to buld it."

He says, "Are you SURE that's who you want?" I laughed and said I no longer gave a shit, which I don't.

Vinny
12-09-2009, 02:40 PM
I'm too lazy to start a new thread also. I was talking to a friend of mine who is ex pro ball player, and we were talking about how the media and fans were naturally calling for Kubiak's head. He used to play for the Steelers, Oilers, and the Dolphins. When I mentioned Cowher, he shook his head and said "be careful what you wish for. He'll bring his own people in, he'll get rid of most of the players, and announce he wants to build his own team, and he'll want 4 to 5 years to buld it."

He says, "Are you SURE that's who you want?" I laughed and said I no longer gave a shit, which I don't.How the hell can your buddy "know" this brilliant info? For your information, Cowher has only been a Head Coach for one team (for 15 seasons at that). He took a mediocre 7-9 Steeler team and went 11-5 after the Steelers had missed the playoffs six times out of the previous seven years. Cowher is only the second coach in NFL history to lead his team to the playoffs in each of his first six seasons as head coach.

Marcus
12-09-2009, 02:50 PM
How the hell can your buddy "know" this brilliant info? For your information, Cowher has only been a Head Coach for one team (for 15 seasons at that). He took a mediocre 7-9 Steeler team and went 11-5 after the Steelers had missed the playoffs six times out of the previous seven years. Cowher is only the second coach in NFL history to lead his team to the playoffs in each of his first six seasons as head coach.

He thinks that Cowher doesn't think there are any leaders among the players, which is why he'd want this own, which is why it won't be fixed overnite. Hey, it's just his opinion about what he's thinking.

Double Barrel
12-09-2009, 04:25 PM
He thinks that Cowher doesn't think there are any leaders among the players, which is why he'd want this own, which is why it won't be fixed overnite. Hey, it's just his opinion about what he's thinking.

At first it sounded like a pro-Kubiak spin (first post), but then I read this (second post) and, intentional or not, it is yet another knock against our current head coach.

mussop
12-09-2009, 05:01 PM
He thinks that Cowher doesn't think there are any leaders among the players, which is why he'd want this own, which is why it won't be fixed overnite. Hey, it's just his opinion about what he's thinking.

Just because Cowher doesnt think this team doesnt have leaders means he would have to dismantle the whole team and start over? Thats just retarded. His conclusions would lead me to beleive he suffered alot of cuncussions when he played.

Didn't want to start a new thread, and since my question ties into the coaching situation...

610 was saying this morning that at the roast of Johnny Mac that Bum Phillips apparently went into a speech that started changing minds towards keeping Kubiak. I missed what was said so would anyone know what was said or have a link to it? Apparently, it was a pretty good arguement for Kubiak.

Yeh but Bud and Kubiak are freinds. Plus you have to think about how Bums career went. He was that coach that was always so close but just never got there.

At first it sounded like a pro-Kubiak spin (first post), but then I read this (second post) and, intentional or not, it is yet another knock against our current head coach.

Nice catch! :) And so true.

Joe Texan
12-09-2009, 05:05 PM
Cower will not be in Texans locker room


Gary Kubiak has taken a team that could not win against the Katy Tigers and got them to a level where we compete with every team in the league.
He will have one more year to prove his ability and take us to the promise land.
It is easy to forget 2 and 14 but it is still in our history so get ready for 1 more year and one hell of a playoff run. Remember the Superbowl is in Cowboys Stadium and I want to win that so bad I can taste it. So all you soap crazy couch coaches put the soap back in the shower and lets get behind this team like Luv Ya Blue.

JB
12-09-2009, 05:33 PM
Cower will not be in Texans locker room


Gary Kubiak has taken a team that could not win against the Katy Tigers and got them to a level where we compete with every team in the league.
He will have one more year to prove his ability and take us to the promise land.
It is easy to forget 2 and 14 but it is still in our history so get ready for 1 more year and one hell of a playoff run. Remember the Superbowl is in Cowboys Stadium and I want to win that so bad I can taste it. So all you soap crazy couch coaches put the soap back in the shower and lets get behind this team like Luv Ya Blue.


fixed it for you

mussop
12-09-2009, 05:41 PM
Cower will not be in Texans locker room


Gary Kubiak has taken a team that could not win against the Katy Tigers and got them to a level where we compete with every team in the league.
He will have one more year to prove his ability and take us to the promise land.
It is easy to forget 2 and 12 but it is still in our history so get ready for 1 more year and one hell of a playoff run. Remember the Superbowl is in Cowboys Stadium and I want to win that so bad I can taste it. So all you soap crazy couch coaches put the soap back in the shower and lets get behind this team like Luv Ya Blue.

Sorry I cant get behind a coach that coaches a team that cant win in its own division, cant win with their backs to the wall, has multiple players making multiple mistakes at critcal times and doesnt have enough faith in his own decisions to watch the outcome. Or a coach that hasnt improved his abilities as a coach in 4 years. After 4 years Kubiak still has game preperation issues, game management issues, personell decision issues, clock management issues and is 16-28 in games that we werent eliminated from the playoffs.

If you would like to put down you're pom poms and debate this I will be glad accomadate you, if not why dont you take the soap and put it in your stink hole to stop the smell of that stuff you are so full of.

Joe Texan
12-09-2009, 05:51 PM
Well now you need to take the soap and wash your mouth out. You can spew all the vomit you want but the last word is Bobs and we will see won't we. Give up your tickets if he stays or do you even have tickets. We will be right where we want to be next year and that is without a the change your Spewing which will push us back 2 to 4 years. All you soap droppers need to realize that taking an expansion team into the heart of the NFL takes time and Gary will show improvement and convince Bob that we will get there next year and after that we will stay on top of our division for a long time. You Couch Coaches have no patientce So I am glad your on the couch.

mussop
12-09-2009, 06:16 PM
Well now you need to take the soap and wash your mouth out. You can spew all the vomit you want but the last word is Bobs and we will see won't we. Give up your tickets if he stays or do you even have tickets. We will be right where we want to be next year and that is without a the change your Spewing which will push us back 2 to 4 years. All you soap droppers need to realize that taking an expansion team into the heart of the NFL takes time and Gary will show improvement and convince Bob that we will get there next year and after that we will stay on top of our division for a long time. You Couch Coaches have no patientce So I am glad your on the couch.

I figured you would stick with the pom poms. :brando:

Joe Texan
12-09-2009, 06:23 PM
Nice Avatar It reflects you football decisions perfectly

Thorn
12-09-2009, 06:58 PM
I may disagree with Joe Texan here, but I damn sure admire his tenacity. :)

mussop
12-09-2009, 07:10 PM
Nice Avatar It reflects you football decisions perfectly

What are you like 8? Is that all you got? I understand, its gotto be hard to post something of substance when you are working with limited tools. Maybe if you put down the pom poms and concentrated real hard maybe you could come up with a somewhat intelligent opinion. Of course asking someone with your limitations to actually put that is words is like asking a 2nd grader to explain how applying the principle of general relativity to our cosmos reveals that it is not static.
:kitten:
Come back when you are more than a fluff poster.

texans3964
12-10-2009, 12:27 AM
lets look at it this way how many superbowls did cower win.how long did it take him to do it.if we stick with kubiak that long we will win one,we might have the same odds.

GuerillaBlack
12-10-2009, 12:43 AM
lets look at it this way how many superbowls did cower win.how long did it take him to do it.if we stick with kubiak that long we will win one,we might have the same odds.

hell no.

TexCanada
12-10-2009, 12:47 AM
lets look at it this way how many superbowls did cower win.how long did it take him to do it.if we stick with kubiak that long we will win one,we might have the same odds.

That is terrible logic. Thats like saying if I look into a mirror long enough I'll turn in to Brad Pitt.

Redtexan#34
12-10-2009, 09:38 AM
Looks like Cowher might not be a lock for Carolina after all http://cle.scout.com/a.z?s=149&p=9&c=2&cid=927454&nid=4691965&fhn=1 .

Mr. White
12-15-2009, 08:50 AM
Since it looks like we're stuck with Kubiak another year, let's talk about 2011.

The Cardinals haven't talked with Ken Whisenhunt yet about an extension.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/15/no-talks-on-a-whisenhunt-contract-extension/

Another guy that's gotten further than Kubiak in less time.

spurstexanstros
12-15-2009, 02:37 PM
If there is a change I would wrather have an offensive guy at the helm. I believe defensive coordinators turned head coaches doesnt work out too often.
If you dont want to blow up system hire Shannahan Sr.
If you want to adjust the system and bring an offensive mind Brian Billick.
IF you want an over hyped HC who will try to recreate his past success without Dick labeau then hire Cowher.
If you want to destroy your franchise in the long term for short term sucess hire Jon Gruden.

If you want to take the chance on another rookie head coach why fire Kubiak because as we have seen that no one on here has patience to go through another year of coaching baby steps..And our luck would have it we get a mangini type coach and not a Mike (thank God I got Labeau here) Tomlin.


If a change must be made i vote for Billick. and hire Wade Phillips ac DC.

badboy
12-15-2009, 02:40 PM
If there is a change I would wrather have an offensive guy at the helm. I believe defensive coordinators turned head coaches doesnt work out too often.
If you dont want to blow up system hire Shannahan Sr.
If you want to adjust the system and bring an offensive mind Brian Billick.
IF you want an over hyped HC who will try to recreate his past success without Dick labeau then hire Cowher.
If you want to destroy your franchise in the long term for short term sucess hire Jon Gruden.

If you want to take the chance on another rookie head coach why fire Kubiak because as we have seen that no one on here has patience to go through another year of coaching baby steps..And our luck would have it we get a mangini type coach and not a Mike (thank God I got Labeau here) Tomlin.


If a change must be made i vote for Billick. and hire Wade Phillips ac DC.You think Shanny would take over for his buddy Kubiac? I don't.

ObsiWan
12-15-2009, 06:56 PM
From the radio show...no link.....

That same little birdie also told him that we could expect Kubiak to stay even if he only wins 2 more games and goes 7-9. McNair thinks that the losses are really on the players.

He also said that McNair is one of the owners that wants to get player compensation under control. Couple that with his aversion to pay a big name coach....

Are we really sure that McNair isn't cheap?

So do I.

arb729
12-26-2009, 07:19 PM
Just for the sake of conversation .. Urban Meyer just resigned from Florida..

mussop
12-26-2009, 08:22 PM
Just for the sake of conversation .. Urban Meyer just resigned from Florida..

There is no conversaton to be had here. unless you are suggesting one of our coaches might be interested in going to Florida.

arb729
12-27-2009, 01:39 AM
i was suggesting it could open up a large can of worms that (if it were to happen, although it appears it will not) could effect our coaching situation

theanswer000
12-27-2009, 01:51 AM
Cowher is not going to be coming here. Rivera or someone else who is a star coordinator is. Bill Mcnair should be more focused on signing the big free agent.

J_R
12-27-2009, 01:52 AM
Cowher is not going to be coming here. Rivera or someone else who is a star coordinator is. Bill Mcnair should be more focused on signing the big free agent.

It's Robert or Bob ;)

theanswer000
12-27-2009, 01:57 AM
lol atleast it was a B.

J_R
12-27-2009, 01:58 AM
lol atleast it was a B.

Hah hey around here, if you dont spell things right, you're a troll and dont know what you are talking about. :o Just looking out for you :)

DexmanC
12-27-2009, 03:15 PM
The "Infallible" Chris Brown fumbles!

Why do I get the feeling the Texans are gonna choke this game away?

DerekLee1
12-28-2009, 02:44 AM
ESPN reports that Bill Cowher WILL return to coaching in 2010. Likely landing spots include Carolina or Tampa Bay. A vacancy in Houston is not expected.

Pantherstang84
12-28-2009, 08:48 AM
The "Infallible" Chris Brown fumbles!

Why do I get the feeling the Texans are gonna choke this game away?

Yeah. How did that work out?

ObsiWan
12-28-2009, 08:52 AM
Just for the sake of conversation .. Urban Meyer just resigned from Florida..

Meyer changed his mind. It's now a Leave of Absence. The Offensive Coordinator will call the shots until he returns.

SheTexan
12-28-2009, 10:06 AM
Don't know why you guys want to play this game, but, since I'm BORED this morning, can I play along???

WHEN Kubiak goes, Kyle Shannahan will become the next HC of the Texans! BET ON IT!! Bob is loyal to a fault, and the Texans seem to be a training ground for coaches that wanna move up the latter. JMO!

MojoMan
12-28-2009, 10:27 AM
Kubiak will be back next year.

Let it be written. Let it be done.

Goatcheese
12-28-2009, 10:30 AM
Kubiak will be back next year.

Let it be written. Let it be done.

If the Texans finish 9-7 he might even get an extension.

:slapfight:

DerekLee1
12-28-2009, 12:29 PM
If the Texans finish 9-7 he might even get an extension.

:slapfight:

He won't get an extension until he makes the playoffs. If they sneak in this year, he'll get a short extension. If not, he'll be here one more year and will get a new contract at the end of next season if he makes the playoffs. The length of the extension will depend on how deep into the playoff he takes us.

I'm not disappointed that he's coming back. I think he's going to be a great HC. I just hope it happens HERE and happens NOW (think Tony Dungy). Not somewhere else 5 years down the road.

And as far as Lil' Shanny is concerned, expect him to get a promotion to AHC/OC at the end of this season to prevent him from going with his dad to Washington. I hope he becomes our Jim Caldwell and sticks around with Kubiak until Kubiak retires and then Kyle can take over. I don't see it happening, though, because I think someone will be giving Kyle a shot at HC in the next 3-5 years because of Josh McDaniels' success.

TexansFanatic
12-28-2009, 01:24 PM
If there is a change I would wrather have an offensive guy at the helm. I believe defensive coordinators turned head coaches doesnt work out too often.

Twenty Super Bowl victories won by former defensive coordinators turned head coach:

Tom Landry (won two times)
Don Shula (won two times)
Chuck Noll (won four times)
John Madden
Bill Parcells (won two times)
Jimmy Johnson (won two times)
George Seifert (won two times)
Bill Cowher
Bill Belichick (won three times)
Mike Tomlin

TexanFan23
12-29-2009, 12:49 AM
If the Texans finish 9-7 he might even get an extension.

:slapfight:

What happens if, godforbid, The Texans lose this weekend ?

El Tejano
12-29-2009, 10:56 AM
Twenty Super Bowl victories won by former defensive coordinators turned head coach:

Tom Landry (won two times)
Don Shula (won two times)
Chuck Noll (won four times)
John Madden
Bill Parcells (won two times)
Jimmy Johnson (won two times)
George Seifert (won two times)
Bill Cowher
Bill Belichick (won three times)
Mike Tomlin

Bill Cowher was a former special teams coach for Cleveland with Marty Schottenheimer.

infantrycak
12-29-2009, 11:07 AM
Bill Cowher was a former special teams coach for Cleveland with Marty Schottenheimer.

He was also a DC under Shottenheimer in KC.

Texan_Bill
12-29-2009, 12:01 PM
Twenty Super Bowl victories won by former defensive coordinators turned head coach:

Tom Landry (won two times)
Don Shula (won two times)
Chuck Noll (won four times)
John Madden
Bill Parcells (won two times)
Jimmy Johnson (won two times)
George Seifert (won two times)
Bill Cowher
Bill Belichick (won three times)
Mike Tomlin

How did it work out for the likes of:
Dom Capers
Marion Campbell
Dave Campo
Buddy Ryan
Pete Carroll
Eric Mangini
etc.
Currently, it's not working out too well for Jim Schwartz or Steve Spagnuolo (but they have time).


ex DC's turned head coach account for 20 of the 43 Superbowls. My guess is that the likes of Vince Lombardi, Bill Walsh, Tom Flores, Mike Holmgren, Mike Shanahan, Jon Gruden, etc. (who were O.C's) account for the other 23 Superbowls.


...just sayin and I'm a guy that likes defense over offense any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

TexansFanatic
12-29-2009, 12:33 PM
How did it work out for the likes of:
Dom Capers
Marion Campbell
Dave Campo
Buddy Ryan
Pete Carroll
Eric Mangini
etc.
Currently, it's not working out too well for Jim Schwartz or Steve Spagnuolo (but they have time).


Not sure what point that makes.

Obviously only a handful of NFL head coaches can say they've won a Super Bowl.

Currently 46.5% of all Super Bowls have been won by coaches with a background on the defensive side of the ball.

Thus to say a defensive coordinator turned head coach doesn't work out too often is false.

Just sayin'....

J_R
12-29-2009, 12:50 PM
Adam Schefter reported Kubiak will be back and McNair wants him back. If it wasnt inevitable before, it is now, or should be now. So I guess it time to stop all the coach speculation of will he or wont he and who will or wont be taking over. Kubiak will be back for a final year.

Texan_Bill
12-29-2009, 01:20 PM
Not sure what point that makes.

Obviously only a handful of NFL head coaches can say they've won a Super Bowl.

Currently 46.5% of all Super Bowls have been won by coaches with a background on the defensive side of the ball.

Thus to say a defensive coordinator turned head coach doesn't work out too often is false.

Just sayin'....

What's the point? It's a message board. One person presents a point another one posts a counter point.

I wasn't saying that it didn't work out too often. I'm saying that while close, ex DC's fall a little short. I only listed those guys to show while for every successful one, there's one that's equaled FAIL.

Also, as I stated I'm more of defensive guy anyway. I tend to like coaches with a defensive mindset so I have no problems with DC's moving to HC's.

mussop
12-29-2009, 01:26 PM
Adam Schefter reported Kubiak will be back and McNair wants him back. If it wasnt inevitable before, it is now, or should be now. So I guess it time to stop all the coach speculation of will he or wont he and who will or wont be taking over. Kubiak will be back for a final year.

I sure hope Kubiak can figure out what the ****** he is doing before the season starts next year. If not this team is going to be in for a major setback that could be a dagger in the heart of this fanbase.

J_R
12-29-2009, 01:36 PM
I sure hope Kubiak can figure out what the ****** he is doing before the season starts next year. If not this team is going to be in for a major setback that could be a dagger in the heart of this fanbase.

What I'm curious about is, say it doesnt work out and/or McNair decides to make change, who is he going to hire? This was the year for "big name" coaches. Now I dont know who will or wont be available next year, but doubtful it's anything like this year. Would McNair hire another unproven? Doubtful

TexansFanatic
12-29-2009, 01:48 PM
I wasn't saying that it didn't work out too often. I'm saying that while close, ex DC's fall a little short. I only listed those guys to show while for every successful one, there's one that's equaled FAIL.

Right. I guess I failed to properly counter by saying for every successful OC turned HC there are also many who have failed. Thus: so what?

Not arguing with you----looks like we're in agreement regarding our preference for a HC with a defensive background.

Texan_Bill
12-29-2009, 01:51 PM
Right. I guess I failed to properly counter by saying for every successful OC turned HC there are also many who have failed. Thus: so what?

Not arguing with you----looks like we're in agreement regarding our preference for a HC with a defensive background.

Yeah, I think we're pretty much on the same page.

nero THE zero
12-30-2009, 10:28 AM
It'd be nice to read stories like this (http://www.ajc.com/sports/georgia-tech/paul-johnson-s-desire-261304.html) of Kubiak:
Jones and others who work with the coach said the difference is Johnson wears his emotions on his sleeve. Despite the "I-don't-care-what-you-think" stance he often takes with the media or fans on his radio show, he takes slights personally. Couple that with his appetite for seemingly reading everything that's written about him or his team as he searches for motivation and it can make for interesting exchanges.

There was a moment earlier this season after Tech defeated Virginia, when Johnson good-naturedly called out a national blogger who had picked his Yellow Jackets to lose to the Cavs.

Then there was the "McDonald's" moment, while Johnson was coaching at Navy. Asked why the coaches seemed to get all the credit for the wins and the players the blame for the losses, Johnson cut loose but this excerpt made many chuckle:

"I don't go down to McDonald's and start second-guessing his job, so he ought to leave me alone," Johnson retorted.

...

Most important, beyond all the bluster, Bedford and quarterbacks coach Brian Bohannon said the team has taken on their coach's personality.

Take the overtime period of the Nov. 7 Wake Forest game, when Johnson, trailing by three points, risked his team's chances of the ACC title by going for it on fourth-and-inches from inside the 5-yard line. He later explained his decision by saying he can't ask his players to play to win if he's not willing to coach that way.

"He coaches the way he speaks," said Wes Durham, the radio voice of the Yellow Jackets. "He coaches the truth. He plays to win."

One can't talk about Johnson's competitiveness without mentioning the other big fourth-down decision. Trailing Clemson by a point in the ACC title game and facing fourth down on their last drive on their own 23-yard line with less than five minutes to play, the Jackets had to go for it if they had any hope of winning the game.

Johnson said there wasn't anyone on the field who doubted that not only were they going to get the first down, but that they were also going to score a touchdown and win the game.

"He's built the toughness and character of this team," Bedford said. "We have to go for 60 minutes. We're not going to stop until the final whistle."

Kaiser Toro
12-30-2009, 12:08 PM
It'd be nice to read stories like this (http://www.ajc.com/sports/georgia-tech/paul-johnson-s-desire-261304.html) of Kubiak:

I am admittedly, not a smart man, so can you please let me know what this has to do with Kubiak?

Pollardized
12-30-2009, 01:58 PM
I hear Mike Leach is looking for a new gig....




:sarcasm:

nero THE zero
12-30-2009, 04:46 PM
I am admittedly, not a smart man, so can you please let me know what this has to do with Kubiak?

Not much. Johnson('s team) just seems to be strong in some of the characteristics that Kubiak lacks. I'm simply lamenting that fact (while giving my college team a pat on the back.)

Kaiser Toro
12-30-2009, 04:50 PM
Not much. Johnson('s team) just seems to be strong in some of the characteristics that Kubiak lacks. I'm simply lamenting that fact (while giving my college team a pat on the back.)

Nice!

I just want someone fired up on this team - just no old guy. Pollard has been a breath of fresh air in my Texans media consumption.

4Texans
01-01-2010, 08:58 PM
As the football-watching world continues to wait for Mike Shanahan to be announced as the next head coach of the Redskins, some think that Shanahan is still waiting for a team from Texas to join the bidding.

Per a league source, there's a belief in some league circles that Shanahan secretly covets the Texans' head-coaching job.

Adam Schefter of ESPN recently reported that Shanahan wouldn't want the Texans job, because it's currently held by former Shanahan lieutenant Gary Kubiak.

But if/when Kubiak is fired, that could change. Quickly.

In Houston, Shanahan would be reunited with his son, Kyle, who currently works as Houston's offensive coordinator. Mike Shanahan also would be working again with Texans G.M. Rick Smith, who was a member of Shanahan's coaching staff in Denver before heading to the team's front office.

Of course, Smith would have to give up final say over the roster in order to land Shanahan. But if the options for Smith are a back seat to Shanahan or no seat at all, Smith might be willing to give up the ability to trump the head coach.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/01/shanahan-still-might-have-his-eyes-on-texans/

jaayteetx
01-01-2010, 09:15 PM
Kubiak will be be back next year, bank on it.

Pantherstang84
01-01-2010, 10:17 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/01/shanahan-still-might-have-his-eyes-on-texans/

IMO...Shanahan should not be given total control of any roster. That is what got him in trouble in Denver.

Goldensilence
01-02-2010, 12:29 AM
IMO...Shanahan should not be given total control of any roster. That is what got him in trouble in Denver.

Honestly I really question at the end of the day how much control over the roster Rick Smith really has anyway. At the end of the day it's Gary's roster IMO.

What got Shannahan in trouble in Denver was getting a competent defensive coordinator, sounds familiar again.

ObsiWan
01-02-2010, 07:51 AM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/01/shanahan-still-might-have-his-eyes-on-texans/

this is so much B/S speculation.
any quotes from any of the affected or named coaches/GMs/owners...??
No..?
Didn't think so.
One of us might as well have posted that crap. And if you go back thru the posts, we may well have posted something similar.
meh....
Get back to me when they have something on tape from some of the affected parties - like McNair or Dan Snyder or Shanny Sr.

mussop
01-02-2010, 09:22 AM
this is so much B/S speculation.
any quotes from any of the affected or named coaches/GMs/owners...??
No..?
Didn't think so.
One of us might as well have posted that crap. And if you go back thru the posts, we may well have posted something similar.
meh....
Get back to me when they have something on tape from some of the affected parties - like McNair or Dan Snyder or Shanny Sr.

I agree.

4Texans
01-02-2010, 10:45 AM
Kubiak will be be back next year, bank on it.

I agree.

If Kubiak were let go, I don't think McNair would get into a bidding war over Shanny Sr. with Snyder or any other coach or owner.

checo446
01-02-2010, 03:34 PM
I agree that PFT is usually full of speculative crap, just like they seem to do all offseason; however, before we have put together the latest win streak, I thought Shannahan was probably the best fit if we did get rid of Kubiak as he could take the talent on this roster that fits his system already, and he brings a lot better game management skills than Kubiak has.

Of course all of this means nothing because if the Texans put up a good showing against a Pats team that is likely going to be resting most of their key players for at least some of the game, Kubiak should keep his job.

Unless the team comes out and looks completely unprepared to play, I think Gary will be the coach for the 2010 season... If not, Shanny would definitely be on the short list of coaching candidates if McNair feels like he needs to make a move.

J_R
01-03-2010, 12:20 PM
Our "good friend" Charlie Casserly said he would expect Kubiak to get a contract extension.

Pantherstang84
01-03-2010, 01:02 PM
Our "good friend" Charlie Casserly said he would expect Kubiak to get a contract extension.

Yuh. I saw that.

mussop
01-03-2010, 01:39 PM
Our "good friend" Charlie Casserly said he would expect Kubiak to get a contract extension.

We might as well fire him now!

HJam72
01-03-2010, 04:33 PM
Unstick it....and fire the kicker instead.

ArlingtonTexan
01-03-2010, 04:37 PM
Unstick it....and fire the kicker instead.

I am going to give the "I told you so" crowd check in then probably will unstick maybe even lock it.

Ryan
01-03-2010, 06:08 PM
Kris Brown is gonna kick this thread wide left.

GP
01-03-2010, 06:21 PM
Cowher for head coach!

There. Lock it up for all I care.

LOL.

ArlingtonTexan
01-03-2010, 07:58 PM
Owner Bob McNair said after Sunday's 34-27 victory over New England that coach Gary Kubiak will return for his fifth season.

McNair said last month that he didn't want to make a change because change would be disruptive and that he would wait until after the season to evaluate Kubiak.

The season ended Sunday with a 9-7 record and a four-game winning streak.

"Gary's my coach," McNair said after the game. "I know there was speculation that he might not be, but he is. He'll definitely be back. I don't see any reason why he wouldn't be.

"The team matured today. It was a great victory for us."

McNair also said last month that he thought the Texans had a better chance of being a better team in 2010 with Kubiak than a new coach.

"Look at the conditions he coached under, all the injuries," McNair said. "I like Gary for a lot of reasons. He's got a great offensive mind. He has a great sense of how to push players and when to back off. He also doesn't play favorites. He treats players the same, and they respect him for it."



http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl//6796978.html

No need for this anymore