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TexansFight
09-13-2009, 11:04 PM
We are in year 8 and we see the same crap over and over again. This organization is WAY TOO SLOW in making needed changes and is not proactive. This problem starts at the top. Dick Smith should have been fired after his first year here and should not have been allowed to waste 3 years of our time. Also, Kubiak should have been forced to hire an experienced defensive coordinator.

McNair is not going to sell the cash cow he has. The best we can hope for is for him to give up control to his sons.

We need some young blood to shake up EVERYTHING with the Texans. A new attitude focused on WINNING and not BS like being good little Christian boys. McNair needs to focus on the piles of cash he is making and on his horses in Kentucky and let someone with fresh blood run the Texans.

gtexan02
09-13-2009, 11:05 PM
maybe he should give control to his fans, so we can fire the entire organization after each loss and trade all the players for 1st round picks next year

Wolf
09-13-2009, 11:07 PM
:thinking: I am having deja vu

GP
09-13-2009, 11:11 PM
LOL.

I have long said that what we fear most...just might be true: We're at the mercy of an NFL owner who doesn't really understand or even passionately DESIRE to understand what it takes to win BIG.

Sure, he has made a respectable team. Congrats to Bob McNair. He brought NFL ball back to Houston.

But he is not proving he can identify and hire the right mix of people.

He got it wrong with Casserly/Capers. He got it a little bit more right with Smith/Kubiak. At this rate, we'll contend in 2056.

TexansFight
09-13-2009, 11:21 PM
maybe he should give control to his fans, so we can fire the entire organization after each loss and trade all the players for 1st round picks next year

I would rather have virtually any poster run our drafts rather than a jackass like cASSerley any day of the week. Check that, I am confident that I could draft better players without a doubt and actually coach them up unlike the loser we currently have.

Fox
09-13-2009, 11:33 PM
All the anger and resentment being directed vs. McNair is way, way off base IMO. Be careful what you wish for.

GP
09-13-2009, 11:37 PM
All the anger and resentment being directed vs. McNair is way, way off base IMO. Be careful what you wish for.

What are we wishing for?

The guy owns the team. Nobody can fire an owner! LOL.

Which is why I think it might be smart to be a Steelers fan. That team has an owner and a management team who simply knows what the h-e-l-l they are doing. I mean, there's no denying it.

It's not like they are just getting lucky. It's a pattern.

And we've got our own pattern, too. The wrong pattern, however.

Hervoyel
09-13-2009, 11:48 PM
All the anger and resentment being directed vs. McNair is way, way off base IMO. Be careful what you wish for.


It's not even remotely off base. How long is a typical NFL career? These guys come with an expiration date on them and as we saw with Dunta just recently at any time they can be involved in a play that ends their career forever.

Mario Williams could go out there next week and get hurt and never play again. He could disappear just like Charles Spencer did. Let me stop right there and say that something like that is far worse for the player than it would be for the organization or the fans. I'm not putting our desire to have a "real" team over players health or anything stupid like that. I'm saying that careers are short.

And I can only look at this from the perspective of a fan.

Teams can't afford to waste the best years of players careers on lousy coaches and wanna-be coordinators. At the rate this man learns he will have a competent staff in place as Mario Williams declines. Andre Johnson will already be gone most likely. We're on the clock and McNair is wasting careers with bad decisions, lousy hires, and patience that would be a credit to him in the business world he's familiar with but which makes him slow and lumbering in the NFL where he's clearly out of his depth.

Norg
09-13-2009, 11:52 PM
Mcnair does not make most of thre decesions

that lies to Rick smith and Gary ... u know the football minds Rick does not know football enough to run the show


anywayz Tearing stuff apart is not a good idea during the start of the season

if we Shake things up its best 2 do that midway through the season

GP
09-13-2009, 11:54 PM
It's not even remotely off base. How long is a typical NFL career? These guys come with an expiration date on them and as we saw with Dunta just recently at any time they can be involved in a play that ends their career forever.

Mario Williams could go out there next week and get hurt and never play again. He could disappear just like Charles Spencer did. Let me stop right there and say that something like that is far worse for the player than it would be for the organization or the fans. I'm not putting our desire to have a "real" team over players health or anything stupid like that. I'm saying that careers are short.

And I can only look at this from the perspective of a fan.

Teams can't afford to waste the best years of players careers on lousy coaches and wanna-be coordinators. At the rate this man learns he will have a competent staff in place as Mario Williams declines. Andre Johnson will already be gone most likely. We're on the clock and McNair is wasting careers with bad decisions, lousy hires, and patience that would be a credit to him in the business world he's familiar with but which makes him slow and lumbering in the NFL where he's clearly out of his depth.

VERY well said.

The owner is at the top. Period.

He has the power and the money to make a change. Any change.

And while you don't want an owner to make hasty changes, you do want them to define where the sidewalk ends and the road begins.

If THIS sort of play doesn't end today. If we suck for four games, and eek out an 8-8 or even a glorious 9-7 record...I think he's gone. I would hope he is. There are 7 or 8 players on this team who deserve one more shot with a staff that might be able to do something.

This team needs an identity at any cost, IMO. This feels like the Kubiak version of David Carr's last season with us.

MannyFresh
09-13-2009, 11:56 PM
Coach Dungee?

Norg
09-13-2009, 11:56 PM
What are we wishing for?

The guy owns the team. Nobody can fire an owner! LOL.

Which is why I think it might be smart to be a Steelers fan. That team has an owner and a management team who simply knows what the h-e-l-l they are doing. I mean, there's no denying it.

It's not like they are just getting lucky. It's a pattern.

And we've got our own pattern, too. The wrong pattern, however.


Not everyone can be winners .......

Tenn lost
MIA got wipped
Carolina got beat yet last year they were like the no2 team in the NFC
CLE made some major changes yet they still lost
JAX lost wk 1 i guess it time for them to FIre everybody right
ARozina lost wk 1 i guess the NFC champs last year are Doomed right

Fox
09-14-2009, 12:34 AM
What are we wishing for?


That was in response to the OP - a more 'proactive' owner.

It's not even remotely off base.

We'll have to agree to disagree. McNair has hired GM's and coaches with pedigrees, histories of success. Then he's largely stayed the hell out of the way and let them do their job. That's how I like my Owner, especially when they have no personal experience in football. Of course he's made mistakes, but I prefer he shows patience over capricious decision making made to appease all the armchair QB's. If you want an owner that likes to turnover his staff with the seasons there's this team in Oakland you should check out.

imatexan
09-14-2009, 12:41 AM
Whats the next thread:

Fire the ballboy!?

Fire the vendor employees!?

Fire the field keepers!?

After what I have read today, any are a possibility.

:gun:

Vinny
09-14-2009, 01:28 AM
Hey, I feel like I'm stepping in from the wayback machine. Some of you guys remember when some fan wanted to sue the team over their parking problem....before they even parked one car. Before the first game was played there was one fan who started a thread proclaiming they are going to sue the Texans if they didn't get their parking situation fixed! Well, he meant the perceived parking problem since we didn't have one yet. I got a cookie for anyone who remembers who that fan was. :fans:

ObsiWan
09-14-2009, 01:33 AM
What are we wishing for?

The guy owns the team. Nobody can fire an owner! LOL.

Which is why I think it might be smart to be a Steelers fan. That team has an owner and a management team who simply knows what the h-e-l-l they are doing. I mean, there's no denying it.

It's not like they are just getting lucky. It's a pattern.

And we've got our own pattern, too. The wrong pattern, however.

Careful.
The Steelers go waaay back. It took the Rooneys damn near 40 years to "figure things out". They were established in 1933 and didn't post a winning record until 1942 - their tenth season. They didn't start winning regularly until the '70s when Chuck Knoll showed up.

JCTexan
09-14-2009, 01:33 AM
Hey, I feel like I'm stepping in from the wayback machine. Some of you guys remember when some fan wanted to sue the team over their parking problem....before they even parked one car. Before the first game was played there was one fan who started a thread proclaiming they are going to sue the Texans if they didn't get their parking situation fixed! Well, he meant the perceived parking problem since we didn't have one yet. I got a cookie for anyone who remembers who that fan was. :fans:

You? I don't see any other reason for you to remember...

ObsiWan
09-14-2009, 01:34 AM
Whats the next thread:

Fire the ballboy!?

Fire the vendor employees!?

Fire the field keepers!?

After what I have read today, any are a possibility.

:gun:

I think Lucky has already proposed all of those things.

Vinny
09-14-2009, 01:44 AM
You? I don't see any other reason for you to remember... It's the first thing TexansFight was known for around here (the guy that started this thread). The long timers know what I'm talking about and my memory is pretty good (just as an aside). Since he started this thread it brought back the memory of those absurd threats and rants. TF basically told us he is a lawyer and would personally sue the team...so I kinda consider it something kinda memorable.

SteveSlaton20
09-14-2009, 01:44 AM
maybe he should give control to his fans, so we can fire the entire organization after each loss and trade all the players for 1st round picks next year

I agree.

Malloy
09-14-2009, 03:00 AM
Hey, I feel like I'm stepping in from the wayback machine. Some of you guys remember when some fan wanted to sue the team over their parking problem....before they even parked one car. Before the first game was played there was one fan who started a thread proclaiming they are going to sue the Texans if they didn't get their parking situation fixed! Well, he meant the perceived parking problem since we didn't have one yet. I got a cookie for anyone who remembers who that fan was. :fans:

Fortunately I missed that whole incident :)

mattieuk
09-14-2009, 03:38 AM
We are in year 8 and we see the same crap over and over again. This organization is WAY TOO SLOW in making needed changes and is not proactive. This problem starts at the top. Dick Smith should have been fired after his first year here and should not have been allowed to waste 3 years of our time. Also, Kubiak should have been forced to hire an experienced defensive coordinator.

McNair is not going to sell the cash cow he has. The best we can hope for is for him to give up control to his sons.

We need some young blood to shake up EVERYTHING with the Texans. A new attitude focused on WINNING and not BS like being good little Christian boys. McNair needs to focus on the piles of cash he is making and on his horses in Kentucky and let someone with fresh blood run the Texans.

No thanks. Firstly, there is nothing wrong with having an attitude to the organization that makes it look respectable by having almost entirely law abiding players, who do great work off the field to make sure that they serve the local (and larger) communities. Who do you want instead...results orientated players such as Plax, T.O. and Pacman? Our performance has nothing with 'being good little Christian boys'...that is an aside, unless you want out defensive line to start cheap shotting the opposition QB to try and get him injured as a tactic for winning...

Second up, as far as I know, isn't McNair the reason that Houston has pro football at the moment? Sure he makes money out of it (a lot too!), but at the end of the day, its his team, he can do what he wants with it. He isn't a knee jerk kind of guy, which is good IMO....sure sometimes it will take a little too long to get your bust starting QB outta town, but thats better than panicking and making rash decisions.

As for the defensive coordinator stuff....are we a defensive write off after week one? What happens tomorrow then? We find a new defensive coordinator who has experience, and can 'fix' everything?

TBH, I just can't justify making demands from McNair about how he should run his business.

GNTLEWOLF
09-14-2009, 03:47 AM
No thanks. Firstly, there is nothing wrong with having an attitude to the organization that makes it look respectable by having almost entirely law abiding players, who do great work off the field to make sure that they serve the local (and larger) communities. Who do you want instead...results orientated players such as Plax, T.O. and Pacman? Our performance has nothing with 'being good little Christian boys'...that is an aside, unless you want out defensive line to start cheap shotting the opposition QB to try and get him injured as a tactic for winning...

Second up, as far as I know, isn't McNair the reason that Houston has pro football at the moment? Sure he makes money out of it (a lot too!), but at the end of the day, its his team, he can do what he wants with it. He isn't a knee jerk kind of guy, which is good IMO....sure sometimes it will take a little too long to get your bust starting QB outta town, but thats better than panicking and making rash decisions.

As for the defensive coordinator stuff....are we a defensive write off after week one? What happens tomorrow then? We find a new defensive coordinator who has experience, and can 'fix' everything?
TBH, I just can't justify making demands from McNair about how he should run his business.

Wasn't Gregg Williams, the defensive coordinator with New Orleans(and the guy whose defense shut us down in preseason) available when we knew we were going to be interviewing for a new DC? Might he not have done the same thing in Houston that he looks like he has done for the Saints?

Wolf
09-14-2009, 05:26 AM
It's the first thing TexansFight was known for around here (the guy that started this thread). The long timers know what I'm talking about and my memory is pretty good (just as an aside). Since he started this thread it brought back the memory of those absurd threats and rants. TF basically told us he is a lawyer and would personally sue the team...so I kinda consider it something kinda memorable.

I remember hence the deja vu joke I had

Grams
09-14-2009, 06:38 AM
Sometimes it is just best to not post the day after a loss.

Some of the posters make it seem like the end of the world when we lose a football game.

It is after all - just a game. There will be 16 other teams that lose their first game. And 16 teams that will lose their second game. It is a game, just entertainment. Not life or death.

Some of the posters are like little 2 year olds, throwing a temper tantrum because their team lost a game. Fire A, Fire B, etc. As if they could do a better job. Yeah right.

Mario missed a sack - fire him, Andre missed a catch - fire him, Coach didn't call a good game - fire him. Defense sucked - fire them all.

This is getting so old it isn't funny anymonre. It is just downright depressing on this board. Everyone thinks there is a 60 sec fix for everything so let's just fire them and find someone else to fix us up for next week. And if that don't work we will just fire them and find someone else for the following week.

It is still - just a game.

ubecool454
09-14-2009, 06:57 AM
VERY well said.

The owner is at the top. Period.

He has the power and the money to make a change. Any change.

And while you don't want an owner to make hasty changes, you do want them to define where the sidewalk ends and the road begins.

If THIS sort of play doesn't end today. If we suck for four games, and eek out an 8-8 or even a glorious 9-7 record...I think he's gone. I would hope he is. There are 7 or 8 players on this team who deserve one more shot with a staff that might be able to do something.

This team needs an identity at any cost, IMO. This feels like the Kubiak version of David Carr's last season with us.

The first change I hope McNair makes is firing the Reliant Stadium DJ and hire the Toyota Center DJ. All this country Music at a football game is just killing me. Not to piss of CW fans but the rodeo will be here in no time but to me, CW music and football just don't mix.

GP
09-14-2009, 07:40 AM
That was in response to the OP - a more 'proactive' owner.



We'll have to agree to disagree. McNair has hired GM's and coaches with pedigrees, histories of success. Then he's largely stayed the hell out of the way and let them do their job. That's how I like my Owner, especially when they have no personal experience in football. Of course he's made mistakes, but I prefer he shows patience over capricious decision making made to appease all the armchair QB's. If you want an owner that likes to turnover his staff with the seasons there's this team in Oakland you should check out.

That's not even a good comparison.

I am not advocating having a senile owner who makes irrational decisions every other day.

I didn't think there was any way Kubiak and this team could start the season as poorly as we did. Even if we lose by a FG or a TD, but stay competitive in this game, I'm fine with it. But we didn't show up, and that's a pattern that has happened too much under Kubiak's era.

A rookie head coach and a rookie QB made us look silly. More than silly, actually. This team was absent today. How do you do that, on opening weekend, in your own stadium, when you should be better than that?

There was a lot of banter about what makes Kubiak be "on the seat," and I think it's playoffs or bust if this is how he's going to start every season. Had we played better vs. the Jets yesterday, I'm not making this statement. But this is a very ominous start to the season, IMO.

You just don't play like that at the start of year 4.

HJam72
09-14-2009, 08:06 AM
I know this game was horrible, but a really embarrassing 0-1 is not as bad as 0-4, which is how we started last year. I have PLENTY of complaints myself, but we might well be 5-3 seven or eight weeks from now. The reasons we lost so miserably might go down eventually as completely unexplainable. Or maybe Kubiak throws a fit, chews a lot of players out, and suddenly things change. You just never know.

I seem to remember a year when the Oilers went 12-4, but had to win the last 11 games in a row to make that happen. This means they were 1-4 at some point and finished with 12 wins. I remember the whole team looked like dog crap. EVERYONE was bad. Things change. Granted, that team had had success before and this one hasn't; but, it's just unpredictable when exactly things will finally start going right.

We beat the undefeated Titans the last time we played them. You-know-what COULD happen next Sunday. I wouldn't bet a dime on it right now, but it could.

Specnatz
09-14-2009, 08:32 AM
Sometimes it is just best to not post the day after a loss.

Some of the posters make it seem like the end of the world when we lose a football game.

It is after all - just a game. There will be 16 other teams that lose their first game. And 16 teams that will lose their second game. It is a game, just entertainment. Not life or death.

Some of the posters are like little 2 year olds, throwing a temper tantrum because their team lost a game. Fire A, Fire B, etc. As if they could do a better job. Yeah right.

Mario missed a sack - fire him, Andre missed a catch - fire him, Coach didn't call a good game - fire him. Defense sucked - fire them all.

This is getting so old it isn't funny anymonre. It is just downright depressing on this board. Everyone thinks there is a 60 sec fix for everything so let's just fire them and find someone else to fix us up for next week. And if that don't work we will just fire them and find someone else for the following week.

It is still - just a game.

There are a lot of people around here who only post after a loss so they can proclaim how right they are.

GP
09-14-2009, 08:38 AM
There are a lot of people around here who only post after a loss so they can proclaim how right they are.

Outside of bashing Schaub for a whole season and a half, I have tried to remain positive and to not knee-jerk.

Having a negative outlook always leads to a person searching for disaster to hit so they can prove themselves right, like you've said.

It's why I stopped being negative. But after yesterday, it's getting pretty hard to stay positive and to try and say "Look, there is a silver lining to this gray cloud."

SWT and some others were right when they posted this yesterday: It's a pattern.

Patterns should be seen as being a persistent occurence of weaknesses or successes, which occur regularly and consistently BECAUSE of something.

I was anxious about the Jets game, but it does not match my anxiousness for the game vs. the Titans. Now I wonder if the pattern gets broken, or if it continues to persist. And we all know the odds on this deal, I'm afraid.

TexansFight
09-14-2009, 08:47 AM
The first change I hope McNair makes is firing the Reliant Stadium DJ and hire the Toyota Center DJ. All this country Music at a football game is just killing me. Not to piss of CW fans but the rodeo will be here in no time but to me, CW music and football just don't mix.

I agree with this. Too much Country & Western music.

Vinny, what does my anger at the parking situation way back when have to do with this thread. Come on man, you are better than that crap.

Texans_Chick
09-14-2009, 09:17 AM
Wasn't Gregg Williams, the defensive coordinator with New Orleans(and the guy whose defense shut us down in preseason) available when we knew we were going to be interviewing for a new DC? Might he not have done the same thing in Houston that he looks like he has done for the Saints?

We do not know whether or not he was contacted by the Texans.

There was a media report saying that Green Bay, Houston and Saints were all after him.

Pretty early on, his name got attached to the Saints.

Hard to say who the Texans contacted and got rejected. Sometimes those things aren't made public.

Marinelli was talked to about being a dline coach but that is one of the few names that came out as talked to, didn't want to.

Second Honeymoon
09-14-2009, 09:41 AM
I agree with this. Too much Country & Western music.

Vinny, what does my anger at the parking situation way back when have to do with this thread. Come on man, you are better than that crap.

i agree wholeheartedly. the music is so so so bad. if i hear another song about a girl and her truck or that stupid Football Time In Houston song, I may have to vomit.

the songs are horrible and the songs that aren't country are all about 15-20 years old and never that good to begin with.

we need a new DJ and all this new lame country has to go. I can't stand it and I never see anyone up moving or dancing to it except the occassional liquored up MILF

Second Honeymoon
09-14-2009, 09:43 AM
There are a lot of people around here who only post after a loss so they can proclaim how right they are.

and there are some that only post about other posters...grow up

its not my fault that your boy Kubiak sucks. maybe Gary will kiss it and make it all better.

Vinny
09-14-2009, 10:17 AM
There are a lot of people around here who only post after a loss so they can proclaim how right they are.

It's a part of human nature I guess. Most businesses have a complaint department but you won't see too many praise departments. People like to voice their opinions when they aren't happy and most people tend to keep their mouths shut when things are going well. I learned a long time ago in business that the complainers will tell about ten people about how bad your service is, but if that same guy is happy most folks will tell a friend or two, but nothing like a person who is miffed or taken back by bad service. It's just one of those things that are common on all message boards from what I can see. It's not a local problem only type thing.

Vinny
09-14-2009, 10:23 AM
I agree with this. Too much Country & Western music.

Vinny, what does my anger at the parking situation way back when have to do with this thread. Come on man, you are better than that crap.
hey, it's amusing and simple things seem to amuse me the most I guess. I'm not trying to shut you up, so feel free to light up whomever you think is the problem with the franchise. I'm just commenting and adding some historical perspective to the commentary du jour. :)

Fox
09-14-2009, 10:44 AM
That's not even a good comparison.

I am not advocating having a senile owner who makes irrational decisions every other day.

I didn't think there was any way Kubiak and this team could start the season as poorly as we did. Even if we lose by a FG or a TD, but stay competitive in this game, I'm fine with it. But we didn't show up, and that's a pattern that has happened too much under Kubiak's era.

A rookie head coach and a rookie QB made us look silly. More than silly, actually. This team was absent today. How do you do that, on opening weekend, in your own stadium, when you should be better than that?

There was a lot of banter about what makes Kubiak be "on the seat," and I think it's playoffs or bust if this is how he's going to start every season. Had we played better vs. the Jets yesterday, I'm not making this statement. But this is a very ominous start to the season, IMO.

You just don't play like that at the start of year 4.

I would sure as hell hope that's not a good comparison to what you want running your team. It's an example of a coach at the extreme end of the spectrum of 'proactive' (and crazy). The point is this: McNair could stand to be a bit more proactive about making changes, his patience has bit him in the ass before, but he's close enough to the middle of the spectrum that I can't lambast him too much for any of his mistakes. On the other hand, those wishing we had an Owner who was more proactive should beware, as Owner's who get their hand in the cookie jar too often can be much worse than what we've got IMO.

GP
09-14-2009, 11:11 AM
I would sure as hell hope that's not a good comparison to what you want running your team. It's an example of a coach at the extreme end of the spectrum of 'proactive' (and crazy). The point is this: McNair could stand to be a bit more proactive about making changes, his patience has bit him in the ass before, but he's close enough to the middle of the spectrum that I can't lambast him too much for any of his mistakes. On the other hand, those wishing we had an Owner who was more proactive should beware, as Owner's who get their hand in the cookie jar too often can be much worse than what we've got IMO.

Would it be too much to ask Bob McNair to scream at the whole team, AND the coaches, and let them know that he's making notes on each player for when it comes time to do a new contract? Then throw something at a wall, and then storm out while he says "And I $#@!% mean it!!!"

These ARE grown men, obviously, but dang it! It looks like a bunch of guys who are not focused. I have to wonder if the coaching climate reflects the ownership.

Will Bob ever show a public display of extreme distaste for what he's watching on the field? Can he muster up a bad attitude once every 8 years, or is a mild and obscure retort what he considers to be a tongue-lashing?

If he can't dig on the coaches and players a little bit, and bypass the GM and say "I'm watching from here on out. I'm taking notes. And yours BETTER match up with mine to a large degree" then we're perpetually doomed. Aren't we?

Last time I checked, the owner has the keys to the bank vault and to the contracts of all persons on the team.

But we can't go there, because to "go there" would make some fans around here clinically depressed to even think about 40 years in the wilderness with this team.

I guess we can hope for the "blind squirrel" theory to apply, in terms of hoping we blindly stumble upon a great coach by accident. Because thus far, McNair is as much to blame as anybody. This is HIS team. He the boss.

HOU-TEX
09-14-2009, 11:13 AM
Geez, we're firing Kubiak, Bush, Myers, Schaub and now we're demoting the owner of the franchise? :spit:

Fox
09-14-2009, 11:18 AM
Would it be too much to ask Bob McNair to scream at the whole team, AND the coaches, and let them know that he's making notes on each player for when it comes time to do a new contract? Then throw something at a wall, and then storm out while he says "And I $#@!% mean it!!!"

These ARE grown men, obviously, but dang it! It looks like a bunch of guys who are not focused. I have to wonder if the coaching climate reflects the ownership.

Will Bob ever show a public display of extreme distaste for what he's watching on the field? Can he muster up a bad attitude once every 8 years, or is a mild and obscure retort what he considers to be a tongue-lashing?

If he can't dig on the coaches and players a little bit, and bypass the GM and say "I'm watching from here on out. I'm taking notes. And yours BETTER match up with mine to a large degree" then we're perpetually doomed. Aren't we?

Last time I checked, the owner has the keys to the bank vault and to the contracts of all persons on the team.

But we can't go there, because to "go there" would make some fans around here clinically depressed to even think about 40 years in the wilderness with this team.

I guess we can hope for the "blind squirrel" theory to apply, in terms of hoping we blindly stumble upon a great coach by accident. Because thus far, McNair is as much to blame as anybody. This is HIS team. He the boss.

You're mad and gosh dangit, you want the Owner to make a scene and look mad too. I understand the frustration. I'm not happy with the results we've gotten, but I like our Owner.

HoustonFrog
09-14-2009, 11:54 AM
I don't mind when the owner gets called out because the owner sets a standard. If Carr gets an extension and coaches stay a few extra years because they are good people then there is a "soft" mentality regarding failure. I'm not saying people should get canned like George of the Yankees used to but I think the accountability has to be there if you see year after year of the same stuff.

BSofA04
09-14-2009, 12:29 PM
Dear Bob,
I need to know one thing...I need to know that you're going to make the appropriate changes right now that's going to let the fans know that you're doing everything you can to ensure that the piss poor performance we witnessed on Sunday will not happen again this year. The team had no fight, no will, no toughness to speak of.

Bob, I drove to the game from San Antonio at 5 in the morning to make sure I could make it on time to tailgate. Bob, there's no legitimate place here in San Antonio to get Texans gear so when I get inside Reliant I go straight to the Go Texan store and buy an $85 Mario Williams replica jersey in Liberty White so I can participate in the Liberty White kickoff (by the way, thanks for the $10 off :sarcasm: for the gameday special).

Bob, after witnessing that crap of a performance, I get in my Jeep and drive straight back to San Antonio. Pissed, upset and instead of being on an emotional high I'm starting to feel really tired. Boy was that a long drive. I get home and read the reviews and it's exactly how it looked on the field. We got our arse kicked.

Bob, I need you to lay the smack-down on Kubiak, the players and whomever else you see fit. Please let us know that we have a fighting chance against the Titans this week. The next time I go to Reliant, I need to know that your organization is not stealing my hard earned money. I feel pretty violated even today. I can't imagine how your season ticket fanbase feels.

Rick

GP
09-14-2009, 12:40 PM
You're mad and gosh dangit, you want the Owner to make a scene and look mad too. I understand the frustration. I'm not happy with the results we've gotten, but I like our Owner.

I sorta' grasp what you're saying.

But then I read that you "like" the owner.

"Liking" is really a marginalized word at this point, IMO. It's out on the outer fringes of the spectrum of words we could use to describe our emotions for the past 7 years of "Pro Football" being brought back to Houston.

The season is too short, and the off-season too long, and players' careers too short and precious to "like" this owner right now.

Sad thing is this: Even if he DID can Kubiak at mid-season, or at the end of the season, it isn't going to do anything but start another rebuilding process as most players and coaches are here on the Denver Lite system.

Four more years of stumbling football. This has the feeling of an election cycle with the same results getting achieved by different candidates.

Cjeremy635
09-14-2009, 12:50 PM
I'll put it like this:

Yesterday I was PISSED! I was screaming and cussing at the tv, blood pressure through the roof, and very disappointed by the effort I saw on the field. I actually quit watching the game with 2 minutes left on the clock in the 4th quarter and went and mowed my lawn.....although I threatened to quit watching it a half dozen times or so. I was alternating mowing and sitting in the truck, listening to the after game show on 610. Finally I had to quit listening because I was getting bent out of shape again. The only solice I have in this whole thing is that it's week 1. There are 32 teams and half of them lost yesterday. So, us along with 15 other teams are 0-1 and only 1 game out of being tied for first in the division. That's the good news, the bad news is not knowing how we are going to bounce back from that humiliating loss. I really think I could handle a loss, but the way we lost and how we played is depressing. Waiting 6 months to see that product is depressing. You dress up a turd, but it's still a turd. We friends, are a turd........and apparently wearing a pink bow and a dress by the "soft" comments being made about our organization.

Mr. White
09-14-2009, 12:56 PM
It seems like everyone thinks it's great when the owner "lets the coach/GM do his job," but McNair does it to a fault.

For instance, he should have given Kubiak a list of guys to interview for the vacant DC job last offseason.

He should look at Robert Kraft as an example. He's not a total control freak, but he exerts a certain amount of organizational control. If a guy isn't getting it done, he fires them. When a guy shows that he's effective, then Kraft gets out of the way.

Spled
09-14-2009, 02:20 PM
I like the way McNair stays uninvolved. Would you rather have Jerry Jones?

JCTexan
09-14-2009, 03:20 PM
Wasn't Gregg Williams, the defensive coordinator with New Orleans(and the guy whose defense shut us down in preseason) available when we knew we were going to be interviewing for a new DC? Might he not have done the same thing in Houston that he looks like he has done for the Saints?

What? Give up 27 points to the Lions? Imagine how many points he would have given up to the Jets. That's with the Saints offense dominating instead of sucking. The Lions had 23 minutes with the ball and still out scored the Jets who had 38 minutes with the ball. The offense was the one who didn't show up yesterday for the Texans. Those 3 and outs for the offense will kill a defense.

GP
09-14-2009, 03:31 PM
I like the way McNair stays uninvolved. Would you rather have Jerry Jones?

No, I want to remain in the cellar of the AFC South with no hope of even sniffing the playoffs. I wouldn't want to be in the hunt for the division or a wild card spot every year. Being mathematically eliminated by October is fun.

No, I don't want to see my team on local TV for every game of the year (guaranteed, no matter our record). I enjoy having to pay for Sunday Ticket in order to guarantee that I see my team each week.

No, I don't want Super Bowls like Jerry earned with Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer. That would be absurd.

No back to the main topic: Why do we need to throw up Jerry Jones and Al Davis and Daniel Snyder every time we debate the merits of Bob McNair. I would expect McNair to be more like the Rooney family, or Kraft in New England. Those guys DO flex some muscle, but choose wisely when and how to do it. They are involved.

McNair seemingly treats this team like a hobby. Like a racehorse he visits on race day.

And the "He brought NFL football back to Houston" gig is growing weak, IMO. Congrats, Bob. Now roll up your sleeves, open your checkbook a bit more, and get this train out of the station please.

I am really cool with what we have. It's cozy and fuzzy and cute.

Silver Oak
09-14-2009, 03:59 PM
No, I want to remain in the cellar of the AFC South with no hope of even sniffing the playoffs. I wouldn't want to be in the hunt for the division or a wild card spot every year. Being mathematically eliminated by October is fun.



just to clarify, it has been 4,700+ days since the Cowboys last won a playoff game.

GP
09-14-2009, 04:02 PM
just to clarify, it has been 4,700+ days since the Cowboys last won a playoff game.

But they've been there.

And as much as we gloat in the fact that they haven't won a playoff game...it still remains that they tend to get near it more than we do.

That's just how it is.

A Romo fumble on the extra point attempt kept them from going far one year.

They are at least still in contention each year.

We're so far away we need the Hubble telescope to see the playoffs.

Hervoyel
09-14-2009, 04:16 PM
That was in response to the OP - a more 'proactive' owner.



We'll have to agree to disagree. McNair has hired GM's and coaches with pedigrees, histories of success. Then he's largely stayed the hell out of the way and let them do their job. That's how I like my Owner, especially when they have no personal experience in football. Of course he's made mistakes, but I prefer he shows patience over capricious decision making made to appease all the armchair QB's. If you want an owner that likes to turnover his staff with the seasons there's this team in Oakland you should check out.

I'm not asking for Al Davis or Dan Snyder. Not every fan that complains about Mr McNair being the NFL equivilant to Mister Magoo wants us to get an owner who's a maniac like Al or a petulant child like Dan. Some of us would settle for a little get off the damn couch every now and then.

Pro tip for you: "Seasons" come every year. Bob appears to poke his head into the operation about once every four years.

Fox
09-14-2009, 04:31 PM
I'm not asking for Al Davis or Dan Snyder. Not every fan that complains about Mr McNair being the NFL equivilant to Mister Magoo wants us to get an owner who's a maniac like Al or a petulant child like Dan. Some of us would settle for a little get off the damn couch every now and then.

Pro tip for you: "Seasons" come every year. Bob appears to poke his head into the operation about once every four years.

Guess I can reiterate some more. Yea, he could do better. There are much worse. Yea, I'm still happy he's our owner.

If that's a pro tip, I'd hate to see your amateur stuff.