PDA

View Full Version : Fire Chris Myers!!


eriadoc
09-13-2009, 03:48 PM
He deserves his own thread. He has sucked all day. The other linemen are doing their part to make the unit look bad, but Myers has gone above and beyond the call. Just put Caldwell in. He'll make some mental mistakes, but he won't get tossed aside by Jenkins like a rag doll.

PapaL
09-13-2009, 03:50 PM
Yes Yes Yes - Myers is weakest link. Good-bye.

gtexan02
09-13-2009, 03:51 PM
Someone please make a mistake of Jenkins karate chopping Chris Meyers onto the ground and send it to Gibbs/Kubiak/Shannahan/McNair. That play looked like a fan stood in at center for Myers

Bubbajwp
09-13-2009, 03:52 PM
I cant believe Caldwell isnt in the game yet.

Old School
09-13-2009, 03:53 PM
He deserves his own thread. He has sucked all day. The other linemen are doing their part to make the unit look bad, but Myers has gone above and beyond the call. Just put Caldwell in. He'll make some mental mistakes, but he won't get tossed aside by Jenkins like a rag doll.

Haha, you are on a roll Doc. Fire 'em all!!!!

Wolf
09-13-2009, 03:53 PM
I think somewhere I saw we had 2 centers inactive

Marcus
09-13-2009, 03:54 PM
I agree. I couldn't believe how Myers got thrown around like a rag-doll like that.

So no, it's not all on Schaub.

I was filled with dread today before the game began. I hate it when they prove out my worst fears.

pbat488
09-13-2009, 03:57 PM
Myers got absolutely destroyed out there today. I recall at least 5 plays where he was pushed into the backfield before anything could develop. Probably happened more but I got so frustrated I had to retreat to my laptop and check out my fantasy scores.

PapaL
09-13-2009, 03:58 PM
I cant believe Caldwell isnt in the game yet.

Inactive today.

Mr. White
09-13-2009, 04:04 PM
Chris Meyers is just a by-product of this outdated bullshit ZBS.

He was too small last year and he's too small again this year.

But I think I might have already mentioned that over here. (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64519)

eriadoc
09-13-2009, 04:06 PM
Someone please make a mistake of Jenkins karate chopping Chris Meyers onto the ground and send it to Gibbs/Kubiak/Shannahan/McNair. That play looked like a fan stood in at center for Myers

He was destroyed several times before that play. He sucks. Mr. Myers, if you're still trolling, I'm sorry. I'm sure he's a fine person and an upstanding young man ... but your son sucks at playing Center in the NFL.

Hervoyel
09-13-2009, 04:10 PM
Myers should be done here. He was a liability last season and nothing has changed.

Add a center to the list of players we need.

For the record I don't think it will make much difference though. The rest of the line are a bunch of softies who get pitched around like rag dolls. We're the first team in his entire coaching career that Alex Gibbs couldn't turn into a running powerhouse. Nice distinction to have isn't it.

mussop
09-13-2009, 04:11 PM
He deserves his own thread. He has sucked all day. The other linemen are doing their part to make the unit look bad, but Myers has gone above and beyond the call. Just put Caldwell in. He'll make some mental mistakes, but he won't get tossed aside by Jenkins like a rag doll.

Breisal (sp?) didnt exactly dominate either. He wiffed several times too. Im starting to think this ZB system is good against weaker teams but isnt capable of taking us where we really want to go. We just get ***** sllapped against the top defenses. Even when we do move the ball we cant score.

eriadoc
09-13-2009, 04:12 PM
We're the first team in his entire coaching career that Alex Gibbs couldn't turn into a running powerhouse. Nice distinction to have isn't it.

I don't have the energy for the discussion right now, but I'm going to bring this up later when we're discussing talent vs. coaching. Because I'm completely flummoxed.

eriadoc
09-13-2009, 04:13 PM
Breisal (sp?) didnt exactly dominate either. He wiffed several times too. Im starting to think this ZB system is good against weaker teams but isnt capable of taking us where we really want to go. We just get ***** sllapped against the top defenses. Even when we do move the ball we cant score.

As I said in the first post, the rest of the line did their part to make the unit look bad. It's just that Myers went above and beyond. He's the poster child.

PapaL
09-13-2009, 04:23 PM
If this thread is suggesting some set Myers on fire...well...I think Jenkins already did.

Silver Oak
09-13-2009, 05:12 PM
was funny seeing Schaub wear a 300 lb NYJ lineman around his neck the whole game, yet still a "Bench Schaub" thread pops up.

next season, mandatory football IQ tests for everyone before posting priviliges are given?

Runner
09-13-2009, 06:10 PM
Someone please make a mistake of Jenkins karate chopping Chris Meyers onto the ground and send it to Gibbs/Kubiak/Shannahan/McNair. That play looked like a fan stood in at center for Myers

He did it to Pitts at least once too. Just swung his armed and knocked him away. I have to give the guy credit - he's got a lot of strength.

brakos82
09-13-2009, 06:14 PM
was funny seeing Schaub wear a 300 lb NYJ lineman around his neck the whole game, yet still a "Bench Schaub" thread pops up.

next season, mandatory football IQ tests for everyone before posting priviliges are given?

But then how will we make fun of the Titan fans? :pop:

awtysst
09-13-2009, 06:27 PM
Is anyone really surprised by Myers' performance? I mean we drafted a Center in the third round because we did not like his play last year. If we were so high on Myers we would not spend a third rounder on a center, we could have gone in a different direction. Myers is a nice guy, but he is not a center. I have long maintained he is a Depth Guard not a starting center. Look for Caldwell to get some more snaps in practice.

Vinny
09-13-2009, 06:31 PM
I just can't believe the amount of times I saw Jenkins one on one. Who's schemes crap like that?

Khari
09-13-2009, 06:32 PM
fire everybody~!

i feel better now

awtysst
09-13-2009, 06:35 PM
I just can't believe the amount of times I saw Jenkins one on one. Who's schemes crap like that?

That would YOUR Defensive coordinator FRANK BUSH!

eriadoc
09-13-2009, 06:37 PM
That would YOUR Defensive coordinator FRANK BUSH!

How is Frank Bush (our DC) scheming a one-on-one vs. Jenkins for our OL?

Vinny
09-13-2009, 06:40 PM
How is Frank Bush (our DC) scheming a one-on-one vs. Jenkins for our OL?This loss really has our fans in a state of vertigo. I think everyone was out schemed by the Jets today. I bet they even had a better game day itinerary.

eriadoc
09-13-2009, 06:42 PM
This loss really has our fans in a state of vertigo. I think everyone was out schemed by the Jets today. I bet they even had a better game day itinerary.

They sure as hell had a better game day itinerary than I did. I laid off the beer today so I could do Calculus this evening. So not only did I have to suffer this crap sober, I still have to do Calculus homework. That is a bad itinerary.

keyser
09-13-2009, 06:43 PM
Is anyone really surprised by Myers' performance? I mean we drafted a Center in the third round because we did not like his play last year. If we were so high on Myers we would not spend a third rounder on a center, we could have gone in a different direction. Myers is a nice guy, but he is not a center. I have long maintained he is a Depth Guard not a starting center. Look for Caldwell to get some more snaps in practice.

I can't say I was surprised. I was one of those really pushing to draft Mack or Unger this past year, since I thought C was about the weakest spot on our team. I'm glad they at least got Caldwell, but it's disappointing to me that they haven't tried to (or haven't been able to?) push him harder into becoming the starting center. In fact, it seems to me they've used him more as a depth guard at this point...

Wolf
09-13-2009, 06:45 PM
as heard from the sidelines

[after a running play fails]
Coach Kubiac: What happened, who missed their assignment?
Coach Gibbs: Everybody missed their god-damn assignment!



http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0102517/quotes

Goldensilence
09-13-2009, 06:46 PM
They sure as hell had a better game day itinerary than I did. I laid off the beer today so I could do Calculus this evening. So not only did I have to suffer this crap sober, I still have to do Calculus homework. That is a bad itinerary.

Pretty close behind you on that thought at least I'm doing Anthropology as opposed to calculus.

I'm still wondering why we didn't try more no huddle to try and tired the big guys up front out instead of lumbering to the line and letting them suck air. It's also pitiful knowing your OC knows he's throwing your starting center to the lions and not do anything about it.

I mean if you have to double team the guy and bring in Hill as an extra man on that side. This staff has no clue how to make in game or half time adjustments.

Jackie Chiles
09-13-2009, 06:49 PM
Pretty close behind you on that thought at least I'm doing Anthropology as opposed to calculus.

I'm still wondering why we didn't try more no huddle to try and tired the big guys up front out instead of lumbering to the line and letting them suck air. It's also pitiful knowing your OC knows he's throwing your starting center to the lions and not do anything about it.

I mean if you have to double team the guy and bring in Hill as an extra man on that side. This staff has no clue how to make in game or half time adjustments.

Our protection was incredibly weak the entire game. It looked the the Jets were bringing about 6 guys on every play and still double covering everyone we sent out. Its been a long time since our offense looked this inept. But at least we can always count on running the ball for -3 to 2 yards a pop.

Leahmic223
09-13-2009, 06:50 PM
We might as well play Caldwell...really can't get any worse after that game. I'm sure we will wait around and see how bad it can get though.

Hottoddie
09-13-2009, 06:57 PM
I'm still wondering why we didn't try more no huddle to try and tired the big guys up front out instead of lumbering to the line and letting them suck air. It's also pitiful knowing your OC knows he's throwing your starting center to the lions and not do anything about it.

I mean if you have to double team the guy and bring in Hill as an extra man on that side. This staff has no clue how to make in game or half time adjustments.

I have to agree with you. It seemed like they made no adjustments at all. They started to have some success with the screens & short dumps over the middle to the TE, but then went away from it & back to what was not working.

As for Myers, I agree with everyone that he's got to go. White did much better in the preseason than he did. Why not put White in at center & Cauldwell or Studdard in at RG next week? If nothing else, it'll send a strong message to all the guys that poor performance will not be tolerated.

Also, Busing needs to start over Ferguson as well.

Porky
09-13-2009, 07:03 PM
Denver ran the same damn scheme right into Super Bowls. So don't tell me the ZBS won't work. It's not the scheme itself, it's something else. And as soon as I figure it out, I'll tell ya! :ant:

Wolf
09-13-2009, 07:06 PM
Denver ran the same damn scheme right into Super Bowls. So don't tell me the ZBS won't work. It's not the scheme itself, it's something else. And as soon as I figure it out, I'll tell ya! :ant:

we need a steve atwater type at safety
:specnatz::smiliedance:

Porky
09-13-2009, 07:10 PM
we need a steve atwater type at safety
:specnatz::smiliedance:

Can he play center in the ZBS? Sign him up. Otherwise, can someone explain what a safety is going to do for the line? :cow:

GP
09-13-2009, 07:13 PM
I just can't believe the amount of times I saw Jenkins one on one. Who's schemes crap like that?

And what NFL QB sees three men, standing up next to each other on the edge of the line, just twitching and revving their motors before the snap, and doesn't audible into a slant or some other hot route to beat the blitz?

Everyone on that field looked like they forgot how to play football today.

The coaches called ridiculously stupid, uneducated and ill-conceived plays.

The players were seemingly always at the wrong place at the wrong time.

And tackling was non-existent. Like it was all pre-season this year.

If I have to see Matt Schaub pout and throw those sulky puppy-dog eyes toward the sideline one more time....

MARK FREAKING SANCHEZ just ran circles around us with a rookie head coach at the wheels. I mean, what does that say about this group of players? They got schooled. All day.

Very little creative playcalling to get AJ and OD into sync early in the game. It's always 100% every-freaking-time going to be an unproductive day when the OC and the QB do not dial up AJ and OD on a consistent basis at the start of the game. You FIND ways to get the m the ball, instead of just ignoring them all day and acting like you can't do anything about it.

Busing deserves a Klondike bar. Mario was always near the play. The rest of them deserve to eat dookie.

Wolf
09-13-2009, 07:14 PM
Can he play center in the ZBS? Sign him up. Otherwise, can someone explain what a safety is going to do for the line? :cow:

well they did stick anderson on defense for the last play of the half

so anything can happen LOL

mussop
09-13-2009, 07:53 PM
Denver ran the same damn scheme right into Super Bowls. So don't tell me the ZBS won't work. It's not the scheme itself, it's something else. And as soon as I figure it out, I'll tell ya! :ant:

That was 12 years ago with John Elway at QB. His running ability really was the difference in that game. Maybe we should draft Tebow next year. :thinking:

Runner
09-13-2009, 08:05 PM
I just can't believe the amount of times I saw Jenkins one on one. Who's schemes crap like that?

I thought a big nose tackle's job was to occupy blockers. Jenkins didn't do that very well.

:sarcasm:

K.Rhodes25
09-13-2009, 08:29 PM
I told you guys that Kris Jenkins was dominant, I don't know how Myers normally plays. But I wouldn't judge him on his performance against Jenkins, he does this to everyone. If you 1 on 1 block him he'll destroy you. He has done it to probowl/elite centers and guards.
GL the rest of the way

eriadoc
09-13-2009, 08:31 PM
I told you guys that Kris Jenkins was dominant, I don't know how Myers normally plays. But I wouldn't judge him on his performance against Jenkins, he does this to everyone. If you 1 on 1 block him he'll destroy you. He has done it to probowl/elite centers and guards.
GL the rest of the way

Not to take anything away from Jenkins, but that is pretty much how Myers plays against any NT worth his salt.

Norg
09-13-2009, 08:32 PM
yeah i seen bits of my DVR recording and on one play Jenkins pulled a ninja move on him and tossed him aside like a rag doll LOL and Matty got sacked

even the announcer was like thats amazing

PapaL
09-13-2009, 08:34 PM
I told you guys that Kris Jenkins was dominant, I don't know how Myers normally plays. But I wouldn't judge him on his performance against Jenkins, he does this to everyone. If you 1 on 1 block him he'll destroy you. He has done it to probowl/elite centers and guards.
GL the rest of the way

In the words of Pedro Martinez; "I just tip my hat and call the Kris Jenkins my daddy". That is what Myers should be saying.

Wolf
09-13-2009, 08:35 PM
good news is we didn't have any 1st and goals and tried to run up the middle

:specnatz:

Hervoyel
09-13-2009, 08:47 PM
Denver ran the same damn scheme right into Super Bowls. So don't tell me the ZBS won't work. It's not the scheme itself, it's something else. And as soon as I figure it out, I'll tell ya! :ant:

Yeah they did... in the late 90's. The league changes and people figure out how to stop schemes. Has this scheme changed much over the last ten years? If I'm not mistaken the Bronco's had been in decline for the last 3-4 years. Maybe this system is played out?

I think it's certainly possible.

Ckw
09-13-2009, 08:52 PM
Yeah they did... in the late 90's. The league changes and people figure out how to stop schemes. Has this scheme changed much over the last ten years? If I'm not mistaken the Bronco's had been in decline for the last 3-4 years. Maybe this system is played out?

I think it's certainly possible.

Good post. You are exactly right. The league has changed. The ZBS will not work. Myers sucks. If Kubiak continues to start him, he deserves to get fired.

DexmanC
09-13-2009, 08:57 PM
Good post. You are exactly right. The league has changed. The ZBS will not work. Myers sucks. If Kubiak continues to start him, he deserves to get fired.

Actually the ZBS COULD work. Indianapolis runs zone stretch plays all the
time. However, you need a CENTER who can hold the point of attack.
I've NEVER seen Jeff Saturday get blown off the ball like Myers.

Remember last year, when they played the Steelers? The Texans were in
the red zone, and Casey Hampton THROWS Myers into Slaton??
What the hell is that!!??

Ckw
09-13-2009, 09:06 PM
Actually the ZBS COULD work. Indianapolis runs zone stretch plays all the
time. However, you need a CENTER who can hold the point of attack.
I've NEVER seen Jeff Saturday get blown off the ball like Myers.

Remember last year, when they played the Steelers? The Texans were in
the red zone, and Casey Hampton THROWS Myers into Slaton??
What the hell is that!!??

I guess I can go with that. I certainly agree that if it is ever going to work, you have got to have an anchor in the middle that holds the line together. Myers is certainly not that.

Norg
09-13-2009, 09:07 PM
Yeah they did... in the late 90's. The league changes and people figure out how to stop schemes. Has this scheme changed much over the last ten years? If I'm not mistaken the Bronco's had been in decline for the last 3-4 years. Maybe this system is played out?

I think it's certainly possible.

O maybe we dont have a QB called John elway

we have Ben tob Scahub :dancer:

PapaL
09-13-2009, 09:07 PM
I guess I can go with that. I certainly agree that if it is ever going to work, you have got to have an anchor in the middle that holds the line together. Myers is certainly not that.

Myers couldn't hold two sticky notes together.

thunderkyss
09-13-2009, 09:08 PM
New Yorks QB was able to take the pressure we applied, and handle it. We don't have any sacks or anything to show for it, but he was under pressure.

He just handled it better than our 6 year vet.

Wolf
09-13-2009, 09:10 PM
New Yorks QB was able to take the pressure we applied, and handle it. We don't have any sacks or anything to show for it, but he was under pressure.

He just handled it better than our 6 year vet.

Schaub also had pressure up the middle from one guy and one guy only .. meanwhile I don't recall the pocket collapsing much around Sanchez unless we came with a full blitz and even that was futile at times

thunderkyss
09-13-2009, 09:11 PM
Yeah they did... in the late 90's. The league changes and people figure out how to stop schemes. Has this scheme changed much over the last ten years? If I'm not mistaken the Bronco's had been in decline for the last 3-4 years. Maybe this system is played out?

I think it's certainly possible.

Tennessee, San Diego, Green Bay, Seattle, Atlanta, New Orleans... and the list goes on, and on, and on.

Denver, and Houston are the only ones that make a big deal about it though...

pbat488
09-13-2009, 09:12 PM
While I'm just as miffed that we didn't do more double teaming on Jenkins, Myers was giving up 65 pounds to him.. and it seemed the entire Jets D had Schaub's cadence down better than our O...

thunderkyss
09-13-2009, 09:13 PM
Schaub also had pressure up the middle from one guy and one guy only .. meanwhile I don't recall the pocket collapsing much around Sanchez unless we came with a full blitz and even that was futile at times

Doesn't change my point. Sanchez handles pressure much better than Schaub. So much so, that we slowed it down in fear of getting beat.

Wolf
09-13-2009, 09:15 PM
Doesn't change my point. Sanchez handles pressure much better than Schaub. So much so, that we slowed it down in fear of getting beat.

I am not trying change the point..I am just stating the obvious if a QB has a pocket to step up in , it sure helps ..

I noticed on 3rd down a few times we slowed down the blitzing a bit .. well that happens when you get burned with a couple of screen passes

recognition of screens were a worry of mine esp when seeing the minnesota game

GNTLEWOLF
09-13-2009, 09:19 PM
Yeah they did... in the late 90's. The league changes and people figure out how to stop schemes. Has this scheme changed much over the last ten years? If I'm not mistaken the Bronco's had been in decline for the last 3-4 years. Maybe this system is played out?

I think it's certainly possible.

i've been thinking the same thing for a while now.

pbat488
09-13-2009, 09:25 PM
Yeah they did... in the late 90's. The league changes and people figure out how to stop schemes. Has this scheme changed much over the last ten years? If I'm not mistaken the Bronco's had been in decline for the last 3-4 years. Maybe this system is played out?

I think it's certainly possible.

It's possible, but the Jets game-plan was to prevent us from running the ball. They consistently had a numerical advantage at the LOS and also consistently had the Box stacked with a safety up tight. Their defensive game-plan worked to a tee against us.. namely preventing us from running successfully and keeping the ball away from AJ.

When we couldn't do either of these things, Little Shanny's brain went kaputz and we just ran the wrong plays over and over.

thunderkyss
09-13-2009, 09:30 PM
It's possible, but the Jets game-plan was to prevent us from running the ball.

What was our game plan?


When we couldn't do either of these things, Little Shanny's brain went kaputz and we just ran the wrong plays over and over.

This smells more of Kubiak/Schaub than it does Shannahan. I wouldn't be surprised, if we found out Kubiak called that game.

& I throw Schaub in there, because there were opportunities.. he just didn't want to test their secondary....... my opinion.

Goatcheese
09-13-2009, 09:34 PM
Something tells me the league didn't make some incredible adjustment that nullifies the ZBS over this past offseason. Slaton ran behind this same line, and this same scheme to seize the rookie rushing title last year. They just played like crap today, and it showed.

Hervoyel
09-13-2009, 09:37 PM
Tennessee, San Diego, Green Bay, Seattle, Atlanta, New Orleans... and the list goes on, and on, and on.

Denver, and Houston are the only ones that make a big deal about it though...

I understand that it's incorporated into all of these offenses to some extent. What I see though is that what we run is directly related to what Denver was doing and hey, everybody takes this stuff and goes in different directions. Offenses and defenses evolve. Maybe the Denver/Houston branch of the ZBS tree was fresh out of ideas?

It's just a thought. I mean, who wouldn't want to have Chuck Noll or Tom Landry coaching their team... unless it was say 1988 or 1991 and the guy(s) were standing still while the game moved on. It happens. Maybe it's happened to the people we're employing? Maybe Mike Shanahan was just fresh out of ideas after 14 years and Kubiak doesn't have any of his own?

DexmanC
09-13-2009, 09:38 PM
Chris Myers got blown up on EVERY snap.
The offense could NOT do anything at all, with Jenkins
in Schaub's face after the snap. Jenkins just might as well
have tossed the ball to Schaub, and ran after him. Myers
must have got his daily amount of fiber from all the grass
he was eating today.

Kubes had better make an adjustment, or we're gonna get
hammered by good teams. We have to beat at LEAST
a couple of them to have a chance at a winning season.

K.Rhodes25
09-13-2009, 09:40 PM
Not to take anything away from Jenkins, but that is pretty much how Myers plays against any NT worth his salt.

I really don't know how Myers normally play, I just know from what I saw out of Jenkins last year he destroyed every guy he faced 1 on 1. Hes simply too powerful for 1 man to block him, not only that but he is quick for a 360 pound man.

I was surprised with all the 1 on 1 blocking with jenkins today, normally teams try to double and triple team him. But maybe because our defense is more aggressive and actually blitzes this year instead of the conservative calls of Mangini.

Hervoyel
09-13-2009, 09:43 PM
Myers is routinely destroyed by anybody he faces. He's the weakest link in our offensive line and believe it or not our coaches went out and traded for him. I guess they thought that since he was from Denver he must be good or something. I really don't know but he plays like a stuffed animal. One of those big ones that looks heavy but anybody can pick it up and fling it ten feet away with little effort.

TimeKiller
09-13-2009, 09:45 PM
I really don't know how Myers normally play, .
Not to take away from Jenkins but this was pretty much a standard performance from Myers.

DexmanC
09-13-2009, 09:46 PM
Well, Rhoades. I guess Ryan got his "Haloti Gnata" piece after all.
If Jenkins plays like that all year, the Jets defense is gonna be downright
nasty with all that blitzin. It's not fair that Jenkins can blow up lines
without blitzing, but you know Ryan ain't no Rush-four-and-play-Zone type
coach.

DexmanC
09-13-2009, 09:47 PM
Myers is routinely destroyed by anybody he faces. He's the weakest link in our offensive line and believe it or not our coaches went out and traded for him. I guess they thought that since he was from Denver he must be good or something. I really don't know but he plays like a stuffed animal. One of those big ones that looks heavy but anybody can pick it up and fling it ten feet away with little effort.

HAHAHHAA.. That line left me in stitches, man. It's soo true. Somebody
needs to GIF him getting thrown INTO Slaton by Casey Hampton last year.

eriadoc
09-13-2009, 09:48 PM
Chris Myers got blown up on EVERY snap.

I realize you may be exaggerating for effect, but this isn't literally true. However, the only reason I know this is I was so frustrated with Myers by midway through the 1st quarter that I played just about every snap of the rest of the game in slo-mo replay on my DVR. That prompted me to start this thread, of course.

DexmanC
09-13-2009, 09:50 PM
Chris Myers got blown up on EVERY snap.


I understand your point. Maybe it wasn't EVERY snap, but it
was DANG NEAR every snap. I'll be checking this game out on
NFL game rewind. I've seen enough of Myers though. I thought
Hampton throwing him INTO Slaton at the 10-yardline would have
been a clue to our scouting department to draft a young strong center.

Oh yea, we did, and he was on today's inactive list.

Wolf
09-13-2009, 10:11 PM
I almost am glad we have artificial turf or I am afraid if it were grass .by the end of the game we would be able to tell who was who, esp with all the freaking grass stains Myers would have on his back


http://www.texansbullpen.com/09photogallery/Season/2009-09-13-Jets-Texans/4thQuarter/DSC_2195.jpg

http://www.texansbullpen.com/09photogallery/Season/2009-09-13-Jets-Texans/4thQuarter.htm

Ckw
09-13-2009, 10:14 PM
What the hell is a lineman that you can find a picture like this of even in the freakin NFL?!? What a joke!!

beerlover
09-13-2009, 10:25 PM
Myers is outmatched against everybody he faces. you have to admire his courage but dude it getting thrown around like a rag doll & rolled over like a pancake. It's not pretty & Schaub is completly washed out on a regular basis in the pocket. The Jets spent a 1st rd. pick on their Center (Mangold) allowing them to draft a franchise QB (Sanchez).

Not sure if there is a capable first rd. stud Center in next years draft of not but I think it's time to test Caldwell out :bunpan:

Wolf
09-13-2009, 10:25 PM
and there it is.. Posterized

Andy got it

rep Andy!

http://www.texansbullpen.com/09photogallery/Season/2009-09-13-Jets-Texans/4thQuarter/DSC_2331.jpg

http://www.texansbullpen.com/09photogallery/Season/2009-09-13-Jets-Texans/4thQuarter/DSC_2332.jpg

http://www.texansbullpen.com/09photogallery/Season/2009-09-13-Jets-Texans/4thQuarter/DSC_2333.jpg

http://www.texansbullpen.com/09photogallery/Season/2009-09-13-Jets-Texans/4thQuarter.htm

Wolf
09-13-2009, 10:29 PM
Myers is outmatched against everybody he faces. you have to admire his courage but dude it getting thrown around like a rag doll & rolled over like a pancake. It's not pretty & Schaub is completly washed out on a regular basis in the pocket. The Jets spent a 1st rd. pick on their Center (Mangold) allowing them to draft a franchise QB (Sanchez).

Not sure if there is a capable first rd. stud Center in next years draft of not but I think it's time to test Caldwell out :bunpan:

agreed

I am just frustrated with the Center position .. hurts us on short yardage .. He tries, I give him that, but it is dog eat dog world

Ckw
09-13-2009, 10:30 PM
:spit:

If this guy doesn't lose his job, I will officially join the fire Kubiak crowd.

thunderkyss
09-13-2009, 10:31 PM
I realize you may be exaggerating for effect, but this isn't literally true. However, the only reason I know this is I was so frustrated with Myers by midway through the 1st quarter that I played just about every snap of the rest of the game in slo-mo replay on my DVR. That prompted me to start this thread, of course.

If you've got it on your DVR, & you watched it in slo-mo, I'd love some specifics about what you are seeing. I just finished watching the first half on DVR, & I can't see where Myer's is getting man-handled at all, much less by Jenkins.

Myers messed up on the First Schaub smack. He was helping Pitts (who Myers was lined up against, and man-handled several times in the first half) & didn't see the LB on the delayed blitz.

Myers did go one on one with Jenkins one time in the first half... I think it was in the first quarter. It was a zone stretch to the left. Jenkins was already getting penetration, because he was lined up on Pitts, who went left.... like he was supposed to. Jenkins gets into the backfield, and Slaton has to do a spin in the backfield, to find no cutback lane. IMHO, if Vonta Leach didn't try to stop Jenkins, and allowed Myers to continue to run him out of the play, that would have been a positive play, instead of a drop for a loss.

Myers messed up on a running play, letting the first LB go by him, and putting a good block on a second... that first LB stuffs Vonta Leach, which plugs up the hole... run goes nowhere.

Other than that, Myers did a very good job of taking the guy in front of him, and passing him off to the bigger Breisel, or Pitts. I thought Myers played well... very well in the first half.

The worst OL we've got, going by just the first half, is Winston. Then Pitts, Then Brown. Breisel & Myers are the anchors, and we're damn lucky to have them.

BSofA04
09-13-2009, 10:38 PM
Let me start by saying it was VERY obvious that Myers was stinking it up at the game. Lots of moans and groans in the crowd.

With a compentent center, we would have had a much better game. We've done it before against Jenkins...

Ex.#1) Texans vs. Panthers Week 2 2007 Season
Kris Jenkins is still a force with the Panthers but Steve McKinney, who was our center at the time, held his ground and Schaub had a field day.
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2007091600/2007/REG2/texans@panthers/analyze/box-score

I'm sure Chris is a good guy but I'm not going to waste this season trying to defend his play anymore. Bench him, get someone in there who won't be absolutely bulldozed or ***** slapped.

LonerATO
09-13-2009, 10:40 PM
Actually the ZBS COULD work. Indianapolis runs zone stretch plays all the
time. However, you need a CENTER who can hold the point of attack.
I've NEVER seen Jeff Saturday get blown off the ball like Myers.

Remember last year, when they played the Steelers? The Texans were in
the red zone, and Casey Hampton THROWS Myers into Slaton??
What the hell is that!!??

Jeff Saturday was also an undrafted player who got a chance to get on a team and played his *******ing heart out on every snap and is also a mean sob.

jppaul
09-13-2009, 10:43 PM
I actually thought those were his two best blocks.:splits:

thunderkyss
09-13-2009, 10:45 PM
Let me start by saying it was VERY obvious that Myers was stinking it up at the game. Lots of moans and groans in the crowd.

With a compentent center, we would have had a much better game. We've done it before against Jenkins...


Again, I've watched the whole first half again, and I'm now watching the second half. Kris Jenkins has not lined up on the Center yet. He's been lined up on Pitts all day.

I was at the game, and nothing stood out more than David Carr's bad QB play.

LonerATO
09-13-2009, 10:48 PM
Myers is outmatched against everybody he faces. you have to admire his courage but dude it getting thrown around like a rag doll & rolled over like a pancake. It's not pretty & Schaub is completly washed out on a regular basis in the pocket. The Jets spent a 1st rd. pick on their Center (Mangold) allowing them to draft a franchise QB (Sanchez).

Not sure if there is a capable first rd. stud Center in next years draft of not but I think it's time to test Caldwell out :bunpan:

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=C&draftyear=2010&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC

here is a few, but im sure you have already looked at that site

BSofA04
09-13-2009, 10:51 PM
Again, I've watched the whole first half again, and I'm now watching the second half. Kris Jenkins has not lined up on the Center yet. He's been lined up on Pitts all day.

I was at the game, and nothing stood out more than David Carr's bad QB play.

I was at the game too, but noticed Jenkins blowing up the interior. Of course I was in the upper-upper deck, but you could see the horror from up there.

Fred Weary was our other starting guard that game so you could use that as an example too. Pitts and Briesel had a poor day. But the Texans were once able to handle NT's like Jenkins before and now it appears we have regressed. It might appear as if I'm over-reacting...but I saw this same show last year and was hoping it would be improved by this season.

thunderkyss
09-13-2009, 11:00 PM
I was at the game too, but noticed Jenkins blowing up the interior. Of course I was in the upper-upper deck, but you could see the horror from up there.

Fred Weary was our other starting guard that game so you could use that as an example too. Pitts and Briesel had a poor day. But the Texans were once able to handle NT's like Jenkins before and now it appears we have regressed. It might appear as if I'm over-reacting...but I saw this same show last year and was hoping it would be improved by this season.

Again, Kris Jenkins didn't play NT today. He played against Pitts all day long. Myers handled his business.

I just watched our first series of the second half. Same as before. Jenkins played on Pitts. LB overload was our biggest problem.

Goldensilence
09-13-2009, 11:24 PM
Again, Kris Jenkins didn't play NT today. He played against Pitts all day long. Myers handled his business.

I just watched our first series of the second half. Same as before. Jenkins played on Pitts. LB overload was our biggest problem.

I dunno but, I saw more then a couple of times him blowing Myers on his back like nothing. Kind of wondering what game you're watching.

thunderkyss
09-13-2009, 11:33 PM
I dunno but, I saw more then a couple of times him blowing Myers on his back like nothing. Kind of wondering what game you're watching.

I'm kinda wondering what you guys got against Myers. I'm into the 4th Qtr, and Myers is the only bright spot on the OL.

BSofA04
09-14-2009, 12:01 AM
I'm kinda wondering what you guys got against Myers. I'm into the 4th Qtr, and Myers is the only bright spot on the OL.

There's certainly plays where Jenkins is lined up over Myers. Last play of the 1st quarter, first play of the game, 2nd and 12 in the 1st series...etc. No help from Pitts. Myers getting blown back on the 2nd and 12 had the announcers talking about how undersized he is for a Center.

edo783
09-14-2009, 12:09 AM
I'm kinda wondering what you guys got against Myers. I'm into the 4th Qtr, and Myers is the only bright spot on the OL.

I'm not sure who did it, but I certainly saw Meyers just flat dumped flat on his back.

Texan4Ever
09-14-2009, 12:13 AM
Why is it that the Texans struggle against 3-4 defenses? After watching the highlights this is what I noticed.


A.) Kris Jenkins is a beast (6'4" 349-Lbs) and requires a double team so why the heck is a 295-Lbs guy like Myers trying to block him one-on-one?

B.) Duane Brown knew on several plays that Bart Scott was blitzing but for some reason instead of blocking the OLB he was assisting other linemen block whoever was playing the DE spot.

C.) There were times where Schaub couldv'e bailed out of the pocket but he kept holding onto the ball and kept taking hits.

D.) Where was Slaton and Leach, shouldn't they help protect Schaub?

thunderkyss
09-14-2009, 12:17 AM
I'm not sure who did it, but I certainly saw Meyers just flat dumped flat on his back.

Just saw it. 7:34 left in the 4th. Jenkins tosses him like the proverbial rag doll. Other than that..... nope.



so far.

Jackie Chiles
09-14-2009, 12:17 AM
Why is it that the Texans struggle against 3-4 defenses? After watching the highlights this is what I noticed.


A.) Kris Jenkins is a beast (6'4" 349-Lbs) and requires a double team so why the heck is a 295-Lbs guy like Myers trying to block him one-on-one?

B.) Duane Brown knew on several plays that Bart Scott was blitzing but for some reason instead of blocking the OLB he was assisting other linemen block whoever was playing the DE spot.

C.) There were times where Schaub couldv'e bailed out of the pocket but he kept holding onto the ball and kept taking hits.

D.) Where was Slaton and Leach, shouldn't they help protect Schaub?

Slaton still needs a lot of work in this area. He seems willing but he has no instincts for the blitz from what I can tell. He was routinely late or looking at a different hole.

thunderkyss
09-14-2009, 12:48 AM
There's certainly plays where Jenkins is lined up over Myers. Last play of the 1st quarter, first play of the game, 2nd and 12 in the 1st series...etc. No help from Pitts. Myers getting blown back on the 2nd and 12 had the announcers talking about how undersized he is for a Center.

Sure, there are some plays with Jenkins lined up over Myers. But nothing that should elicit a "Fire Chris Myers" thread, or suggest that he is the worst OL on the team.

& I know what the announcer said about being blown by... but if you watched Myers, he's got his hands tucked in, and trying to fight his way out.... it was a screen, and he was trying to get out to block for Slaton.

Still..... Pitts got mauled by Jenkins more often than Myers did.... why don't we see a fire Chester Pitts thread? That would make more sense to me.

Second Honeymoon
09-14-2009, 08:58 AM
Chris Myers has never been any good. Why is anyone surprised.

Our Texans suck and it starts with Kubiak, Bush, and Smith. Next stop unemployment line....

Bush doesnt even belong in the league. If the dude was any good he would have been hired years ago when Kubiak tried to hire him. The guy is a freaking scrub but he coached at Denver and is Gary's friend so he must be a football god

Kubiak you ********* suck donkey balls

HJam72
09-14-2009, 09:18 AM
I do agree that Myers has been a serious part of the problem in all of our worst games since he's been here. He's probably not getting enough help from the backfield, but he is a problem. I suspect that they could stick any other OLineman on the team in there and they would perform better (if they can handle the "nuances" of playing C at all, of course).

thunderkyss
09-14-2009, 09:35 AM
I do agree that Myers has been a serious part of the problem in all of our worst games since he's been here. He's probably not getting enough help from the backfield, but he is a problem. I suspect that they could stick any other OLineman on the team in there and they would perform better (if they can handle the "nuances" of playing C at all, of course).

IMO, if the coaches took your advice, and most on this board, and got rid of Myers & Briesel, we'd still have the same problem. Winston, & Pitts, and to a lesser degree Duane Brown (but I honestly think he's getting better).

Falsehood, outright lie #1..... Myers did not get manhandled last night except on one play. Pitts got jacked by Jenkins at least half a dozen times. & in the run game, Myers & Briesel are the only ones that got productive blocks on the second level.

BSofA04
09-14-2009, 11:58 AM
IMO, if the coaches took your advice, and most on this board, and got rid of Myers & Briesel, we'd still have the same problem. Winston, & Pitts, and to a lesser degree Duane Brown (but I honestly think he's getting better).

Falsehood, outright lie #1..... Myers did not get manhandled last night except on one play. Pitts got jacked by Jenkins at least half a dozen times. & in the run game, Myers & Briesel are the only ones that got productive blocks on the second level.

So is Pitts getting manhandled because he was unprepared and hardly participated in training camp...or because he's losing a step...or because Jenkins is just that much better? Maybe a bit of all?

CloakNNNdagger
09-14-2009, 12:03 PM
Did anyone notice how when Meyers wasn't being pushed into his own backfield, how many times he just ignored his primary man and was out there up field in the D, looking for a LB to hit........an LB that was either already also past him or out of the play anyway. The ZBS teaches you to hit your primary defender THEN push upfield to hit the secondary defender. It does not teach you to ignore your first assignment and then audition for "Lost in Space."

HOU-TEX
09-14-2009, 12:09 PM
Pitts, Myers and Brisiel all sucked yesterday. They should all be embarrassed, especially Myers.

TheRealJoker
09-14-2009, 12:11 PM
I dont get the coache's love affair with this player. Schaub cant step up in the pocket whenever we put Myers on a decent DT. Did they think that was gonna change this year without removing the player responsible?

He cant get no push and cant allow Schaub to step up in the pocket. Thinking otherwise is acting as if you can have Reggie Bush play exclusively as a Brandon Jacobs type bruiser and just run him up the gut in short yardage situations.

Square pegs dont fit in round holes coaches!!!

beerlover
09-14-2009, 12:17 PM
I dont get the coache's love affair with this player. Schaub cant step up in the pocket whenever we put Myers on a decent DT. Did they think that was gonna change this year without removing the player responsible?

He cant get no push and cant allow Schaub to step up in the pocket. Thinking otherwise is acting as if you can have Reggie Bush play exclusively as a Brandon Jacobs type bruiser and just run him up the gut in short yardage situations.

Square pegs dont fit in round holes coaches!!!

I really like Chris. I can also see why he fits what Gibbs wanted in a ZBS Center but dude has short arms which does not allow him to keep the tackle off his arms/body. Going against a 3-4 nose you have to create a bubble by a variety of moves including a strong hand punch, heck bring back Charles Spencer, its even more important if outweighed 50 pounds. Also the butt has to stay down keeping leverage lower at least to undercut his legs which I did see a few times but Jenkins still reached over his fallen body grabing at Schaubs ankles.

chicagotexan2
09-14-2009, 01:24 PM
Fire Chris Myers!!

then

Promote/Hire Antoine Caldwell.

thunderkyss
09-14-2009, 01:49 PM
Could someone be more specific about Myers screw ups? Which snaps are we talking about? time left in the Qtr... I'm obviously looking at this wrong.

Bubbajwp
09-14-2009, 01:50 PM
Every play were Kris Jenkins was lined up across from Him.

eriadoc
09-14-2009, 01:56 PM
Could someone be more specific about Myers screw ups? Which snaps are we talking about? time left in the Qtr... I'm obviously looking at this wrong.

Give it time. I'm at work, and I'll be home late tonight, but I plan on skimming through and posting times where you can watch Myers getting pushed into the backfield in all its glory.

TimeKiller
09-14-2009, 01:56 PM
I just don't know how one person could be blamed for all the suck that happened.

eriadoc
09-14-2009, 01:58 PM
I just don't know how one person could be blamed for all the suck that happened.

Back at the beginning of this thread, I said that the entire line did their part to make the unit look terrible. Myers just went above and beyond, is all. It's not on one person, but that doesn't mean you can't isolate the most glaring weaknesses in a sea of weaknesses.

chicagotexan2
09-14-2009, 02:01 PM
Could someone be more specific about Myers screw ups? Which snaps are we talking about? time left in the Qtr... I'm obviously looking at this wrong.

Kris Jenkins looked like Reggie White and Chris Myers looked like Todd Wade. Jenkins should have written "Pay me Rick - to stop embarrassing this fool" on the back of his shoes.

Silver Oak
09-14-2009, 02:01 PM
Could someone be more specific about Myers screw ups? Which snaps are we talking about? time left in the Qtr... I'm obviously looking at this wrong.

I just finished rewatching the game, so I won't be able to give you time stamps, but the guy was both physically outplayed, and on a couple of occasions, juked and stepped around by Jenkins.

Seems to me that if he tried to hold his ground, he was pushed backwards easily, and if he went into pass protection, he was easily knocked off balance and into the backfield.

Not all on Myers though. Briesel was trying to one up him on who could get beat more often IMO.

mussop
09-14-2009, 02:39 PM
I just don't know how one person could be blamed for all the suck that happened.

I blame
#1 Kubiack Because he is the head coach and ultimatly responsible
#2 Shananhan because he didnt make any kind of adjustments throughout the game and it didnt appear Schaub was ready for all the blitzes which is the OC responsibility.
#3 Schaub for not recognizing what the defense was doing and making presnap adjustments. Change up the snap count, move the offense around in different formations, anything to make the defense think a little more and slow them down a little.

For all those who say it was just one week, I say SO WHAT! It was an unneceptible performance by a team that has supposed to be past that stage in their development. Yeh every team has a bad week here and there but cmon. That wasnt just a bad perfomance, it was an HORRIBLE, David Carr, Dom Capers, expansion team like performance.

I have seen many teams get shut out and beat by more than 20 points but not many were dominated like we were. The teams that do get dominated like that are the predominatly bad teams that we are supposed to be better than. I am no longer going to except being the Detroit Lions or the Cincinati Bengals. The time is now! We might not have the most talent in the leauge but we have enough talent to play better than what we seen Sunday.

If I were the owner I wouldnt fire Kubiack right now but I definatly let it be known that I will not allow this season to be wasted before I make such a decision. As a coach if youre team isnt playing up to the talent level or above you are not doing youre job and its not fair to the players or the fans to keep you around. Lets get this thing turned around right now or lets start over and give someone a headstart on next year so we dont waste 2 seasons.

Its just that simple!!!!!!!

Go Texans beat the Titans! Love Ya (steal) Blue!

m5kwatts
09-14-2009, 03:32 PM
Before we all pile on Myers, our supposed best lineman Pitts was tossed around by the Jets d-line all game. The line collectively played like panzies.

Norg
09-14-2009, 03:35 PM
Before we all pile on Myers, our supposed best lineman Pitts was tossed around by the Jets d-line all game. The line collectively played like panzies.


Pitts always gets Thrown Around he even said it after the game "We got our butts kicked"

Iam telling u hes to old now and slow

eriadoc
09-15-2009, 10:43 AM
Could someone be more specific about Myers screw ups? Which snaps are we talking about? time left in the Qtr... I'm obviously looking at this wrong.

OK, didn't have time to re-watch it, and with school, I'm probably not going to have time for a while. Off the top of my head, here's what I remember, in order or fairly close, I think:

1. The very first play that Schaub got hit on, Myers let the blitzer come right up the middle when he was basically blocking no one. IIRC, he was trying to block the guy that Pitts already had. Myers had his back turned to the huge hole that he himself created.

2. Shortly thereafter, maybe the next series, can't recall - Jenkins just shoved Myers right back into Leach and blew up the running play. Slaton got nowhere.

3. I seem to remember another pass play where the protection held up, sort of, but Jenkins pretty well just shoved Myers straight back into what would have been a pocket. Can't remember when, but definitely first half, maybe first quarter.

4. Prior to the half, I remember just shaking my head at him a couple times when he's standing around looking for someone to block while Schaub's getting pressured.

5. In the 3rd quarter, they didn't get the ball for the first 8 or 9 minutes of the quarter, but their first series in that quarter had a couple of bad plays by Myers. On one of them, he basically let one guy speed right through so that he could take the delayed blitz. I'm not sure if he thought the back was gong to take it or what, but if so, that's dumb. Take the first guy and let the back take the delayed blitzer.

6. In the 4th Q, there was a series where the protection held up pretty well and Schaub just couldn't make the reads. Somewhere in that vicinity, he kind of commits to helping the RG (I think it was right), and then realizes he had created a huge hole for blitzers as a couple run by him. He turned around like he was thinking "oh crap!", but was pretty ineffective. I don't think it resulted in a sack, though, just an incompletion.

7. Somewhere soon after that is when Jenkins rag-dolled him.

8. Somewhere shortly after that, Schaub threw an INT and I pretty well stopped watching altogether.

Anyway, I usually don't complain about his run blocking. To be honest, I don't know the ZBS well enough to diagnose OL on running plays. But on passing plays, it's a lot easier to see who screwed up. We don't know the line calls, so there may be mix-ups in assignments, which I'm sure a couple of these are, but he's involved in those mix-ups, to be sure. There were also a few other times that I just wondered WTF he was doing. But since I haven't re-watched it, I can't tell you. But I focused on pass plays, not running.

HOU-TEX
09-15-2009, 11:01 AM
http://www.texansbullpen.com/09photogallery/Season/2009-09-13-Jets-Texans/1stQuarter/DSC_1504.jpg

HOU-TEX
09-15-2009, 11:24 AM
http://www.texansbullpen.com/09photogallery/Season/2009-09-13-Jets-Texans/4thQuarter/DSC_2332.jpg

Texan_Bill
09-15-2009, 11:25 AM
Gee HOU-TEX, and I didn't think I could feel any worse about Sunday's abomination!! :gun:

HOU-TEX
09-15-2009, 11:27 AM
Gee HOU-TEX, and I didn't think I could feel any worse about Sunday's abomination!! :gun:

Just trying to do my part compiling evidence for the purpose of the thread. :tiphat:

eriadoc
09-15-2009, 11:47 AM
That first pic was the one I said Myers got pushed back into Leach and blew up the running play.

keyser
09-15-2009, 11:52 AM
One thing I notice in both of those pictures (besides Myers getting tossed aside) is that there is someone else who seems like they should have been doing something about Jenkins but isn't. In the first picture, there's some player (can't see number) behind Jenkins - it looks like he's running downfield to block the "second level". Unfortunately the second level doesn't matter if you have guys at the first level running wild. In the second picture, Slaton looks like he's waiting for someone to come free on the edge, while Jenkins rushes straight up the middle.

Vinny
09-15-2009, 11:54 AM
One thing I notice in both of those pictures (besides Myers getting tossed aside) is that there is someone else who seems like they should have been doing something about Jenkins but isn't. In the first picture, there's some player (can't see number) behind Jenkins - it looks like he's running downfield to block the "second level". Unfortunately the second level doesn't matter if you have guys at the first level running wild. In the second picture, Slaton looks like he's waiting for someone to come free on the edge, while Jenkins rushes straight up the middle. One of my biggest problems for this game was the fact that they left Jenkins one on one so much...its just mindboggling.

eriadoc
09-15-2009, 11:57 AM
One thing I notice in both of those pictures (besides Myers getting tossed aside) is that there is someone else who seems like they should have been doing something about Jenkins but isn't. In the first picture, there's some player (can't see number) behind Jenkins - it looks like he's running downfield to block the "second level". Unfortunately the second level doesn't matter if you have guys at the first level running wild. In the second picture, Slaton looks like he's waiting for someone to come free on the edge, while Jenkins rushes straight up the middle.

In the first pic, if you're referring to Brisiel, he was engaged at the point of attack, and quickly shed his block, but by that time, Jenkins had just shoved Myers back into the running play, which was going left.

keyser
09-15-2009, 12:21 PM
In the first pic, if you're referring to Brisiel, he was engaged at the point of attack, and quickly shed his block, but by that time, Jenkins had just shoved Myers back into the running play, which was going left.

No, Brisiel seems fine in that picture. There's someone else (Pitts maybe?) directly behind Jenkins. There's another Jet player back there, also (you can only see part of his helmet and legs), who I'm guessing he's headed toward (but is not even engaged with yet).

HOU-TEX
09-15-2009, 12:23 PM
That first pic was the one I said Myers got pushed back into Leach and blew up the running play.

Yep, that's the one

One of my biggest problems for this game was the fact that they left Jenkins one on one so much...its just mindboggling.

I'm not sure we had much of a choice. The way the Jets were overloading the interior made it tough to double the big dude. Obviously it would've worked either way because LB's and DB's were up in Schaub's grill all day any way. I'm not really certain what would've worked best other than quick dumps ans screens.

eriadoc
09-15-2009, 12:27 PM
No, Brisiel seems fine in that picture. There's someone else (Pitts maybe?) directly behind Jenkins. There's another Jet player back there, also (you can only see part of his helmet and legs), who I'm guessing he's headed toward (but is not even engaged with yet).

That's Pitts, but he was engaged at the snap. I remember the play live because I replayed it several times on the DVR.

As a side note, my wife is growing to hate watching Texans games with me, lol. All the slo-mo and replays get to her.

76Texan
09-15-2009, 12:43 PM
1. The very first play that Schaub got hit on, Myers let the blitzer come right up the middle when he was basically blocking no one. IIRC, he was trying to block the guy that Pitts already had. Myers had his back turned to the huge hole that he himself created.




2-8
TXN straight I, strong left, split wides.
Jets 4-3 Under, SAM outside OD, double safeties.

Leach motioned to offset right, LDE followed.
OD released, SAM followed.

MLB also dropped back, so Myers turned to help Pitts on Jenkins.
WILL came up inside Brisiel to put a hit on Schaub.
Winston couldn't pick him up.

Schaub managed to complete a pass to AJ for 7 yds.

This one is on Winston!

Marcus
09-15-2009, 12:45 PM
One of my biggest problems for this game was the fact that they left Jenkins one on one so much...its just mindboggling.

Well, if they doubled up on him, wouldn't that have left a gap open somewhere else? Just wondering what the drawback on that would have been.

But you're right, though. They had game film of Jenkins. They had to know what he was capable of, so yeah, bad game plan.

76Texan
09-15-2009, 12:47 PM
2. Shortly thereafter, maybe the next series, can't recall - Jenkins just shoved Myers right back into Leach and blew up the running play. Slaton got nowhere.




1-10 @ TXN 40
TXN straight I, strong left, split wides.
Jets 4-3 Under, SAM on OD, double safeties.

Slaton was to run left.
Jenkins with a great jump, he moved right with the snap (while everybody else was yet to start).
He got penetration, even though Leach came up to block, he couldn't stop Jenkin's momenum.
When a D-lineman get a good jump like that, he will penetrate, doesn't matter who, because he already lined up in that gap.

Brisiel released but missed the LB.
Winston couldn't get a clean cut block on the LDT.
It doesn't matter, we optioned the LDE so there never was a cut back lane to start with.
I don't like this call.

Slaton, if he was smart and had vision, should have at least tried to go left.
(Step up past Leach and Myers and Jenkins, then veered left.
That's where all of our blockers were. That was the play called.)
He would likely gain a yd or two, maybe more, maybe just get back to the LOS.

He should know that by optioning the LDE, there would be no cut back lane.

Marcus
09-15-2009, 12:55 PM
As a side note, my wife is growing to hate watching Texans games with me, lol. All the slo-mo and replays get to her.

That drives my wife up the wall, big time. Just tape it, and do all the slo-mo replay stuff later on when she's not around. You both will be happier for it, trust me.

76Texan
09-15-2009, 12:59 PM
I blame
#1 Kubiack Because he is the head coach and ultimatly responsible
#2 Shananhan because he didnt make any kind of adjustments throughout the game and it didnt appear Schaub was ready for all the blitzes which is the OC responsibility.
#3 Schaub for not recognizing what the defense was doing and making presnap adjustments.

Go Texans beat the Titans! Love Ya (steal) Blue!

Shanahan needs to go back to school.
Ughh well, actually, he was home-schooled by Rex Ryan at Reliant Stadium.

Schaub just had a bad game to start the season.
If he's not mobile enough to move around, he needs to realize he cannot jeopardize the team by playing.

PapaL
09-15-2009, 01:13 PM
I wonder if he found his missing contact lens.

http://www.texansbullpen.com/09photogallery/Season/2009-09-13-Jets-Texans/4thQuarter/DSC_2332.jpg

76Texan
09-15-2009, 01:15 PM
I'm not sure we had much of a choice. The way the Jets were overloading the interior made it tough to double the big dude. Obviously it would've worked either way because LB's and DB's were up in Schaub's grill all day any way. I'm not really certain what would've worked best other than quick dumps ans screens.

I don't know if we can move the pocket in our scheme.
But we can certainly pass off the running scheme; anything just to move the guy sideways as one poster had mentioned.

And instead of the dump and screen passes, we need to mix up a few slants where the receiver find the soft zone behind those blitzers.

An example is that failed screen pass to Slaton to the left.
We could have AD (from slot right) or OD (same side) run a slant behind the referee (we were in 2-TE set).
Two of the LBs had come up to blitz in a 3-4;
one dropped back with Dreessen, one keyed on Slaton (both on the same side).

Cjeremy635
09-15-2009, 01:19 PM
I thought our plan should have been a lot of screen passes just past the rushing defenders. It's not rocket science. Those plays don't take long to develope and we needed to use timing routes. I don't know how many pure timing routes we have in our arsenal, but a "3 step drop and it's out of there" would have helped tremendously on Sunday. The screens would have taken the blitzes and used them to our advantage. I don't know how many were actually called, but they sure weren't utilized right.

76Texan
09-15-2009, 01:28 PM
One thing I notice in both of those pictures (besides Myers getting tossed aside) is that there is someone else who seems like they should have been doing something about Jenkins but isn't. In the first picture, there's some player (can't see number) behind Jenkins - it looks like he's running downfield to block the "second level". Unfortunately the second level doesn't matter if you have guys at the first level running wild. In the second picture, Slaton looks like he's waiting for someone to come free on the edge, while Jenkins rushes straight up the middle.

The guy behind Jenkins was Pitts engaging his man.

But Eriadoc was incorrect about Brisiel.
If you look at the picture, Brisiel was about to take on the LB, but he would miss entirely.

You can also see that Winston failed in his cut block attempt on the LDT.

Leach was still trying to block "in" so that Slaton could run outside.
It would have been better if he helps Myers move Jenkins to the outside and let Slaton get up and veer left to the outside.
You're not going to stop the momentum of such a big guy moving forward.

76Texan
09-15-2009, 01:46 PM
On another note, I watched the Steelers/Tacks game and counted Kevin Mawae on the ground four times.

He also allowed penetration more than half a dozen times.

............

Yet another note, the Jets were in a 4-3 much more than a 3-4 alignment.
So we just have problems against a good defensive effort/game plan because ours sucked! Not just because we have problems with the 3-4.

thunderkyss
09-15-2009, 09:53 PM
I hope no one misunderstands what I am saying. I'm not saying that Chris Myers is an all pro center. All I'm saying, is that if I were going to replace two people on our offensive line, it wouldn't be Myers & Briesel. It would be Pitts (first) & Eric Winston Second.

I would put Caldwell in Chester's spot, & Cliff Washburn at RT. I know we cut Washburn. I hope it was to get him on the practice squad. But he plays as well now, if not better than Winston.

I understand Pitts & Winston are fan favorites. I've got to assume that's why we don't see pictures of either of them getting blown up, or making poor blocks. It is not because it doesn't happen. I know better. It is not because it happens less often. I've counted.

IF we just want to get rid of journeymen & Denver cast-offs, then Myers & Briesel are your guys. If we want better play from the offensive line, Pitts & Winston need to go.

& It's not that they can't do what they need to. They both have repeatedly shown their strong enough, fast enough, talented enough to do what the ZBS calls for. Why they aren't doing it, I don't know.

thunderkyss
09-15-2009, 09:54 PM
Whoops

BSofA04
09-15-2009, 10:17 PM
I hope no one misunderstands what I am saying. I'm not saying that Chris Myers is an all pro center. All I'm saying, is that if I were going to replace two people on our offensive line, it wouldn't be Myers & Briesel. It would be Pitts (first) & Eric Winston Second.

I would put Caldwell in Chester's spot, & Cliff Washburn at RT. I know we cut Washburn. I hope it was to get him on the practice squad. But he plays as well now, if not better than Winston.

I understand Pitts & Winston are fan favorites. I've got to assume that's why we don't see pictures of either of them getting blown up, or making poor blocks. It is not because it doesn't happen. I know better. It is not because it happens less often. I've counted.

IF we just want to get rid of journeymen & Denver cast-offs, then Myers & Briesel are your guys. If we want better play from the offensive line, Pitts & Winston need to go.

& It's not that they can't do what they need to. They both have repeatedly shown their strong enough, fast enough, talented enough to do what the ZBS calls for. Why they aren't doing it, I don't know.

What about our current swing tackle Rashard Butler? He's not as big as Washburn but he has the longest arms of the o-line and has put on weight this offseason. Why go straight for Washburn when Butler is the better player?

TheRealJoker
09-15-2009, 10:43 PM
Have we ever had a DT blow up the center of an OL like Kris Jenkins did on Sunday? What I wouldn't give to have a monster like him or Fat Albert blowing up opposing OLs. That's what we need if the front office insists on drafting mid-late round talent to fill out the secondary.

dc_txtech
09-15-2009, 10:56 PM
Have we ever had a DT blow up the center of an OL like Kris Jenkins did on Sunday? What I wouldn't give to have a monster like him or Fat Albert blowing up opposing OLs. That's what we need if the front office insists on drafting mid-late round talent to fill out the secondary.

I hear ya but I heard they're going for about 100 million bucks.

TexansSeminole
09-15-2009, 11:34 PM
One of the problems with this zone blocking scheme is against these big D lineman in the 3-4. You have to double team, these guys can't take on these big lineman one on one. That leaves the defense wide open for blitzes and stunts. O lineman are worried about getting over for the double team and the linebackers and corners just squeeze right through.

TEXANS84
09-18-2009, 10:34 AM
After seeing this clip on another message board, this is absolutely sickening:

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii219/losloseeboy/jetex.gif

rmartin65
09-18-2009, 10:46 AM
After seeing this clip on another message board, this is absolutely sickening:

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii219/losloseeboy/jetex.gif

I cant help but laugh now. A grown man getting owned like that.

Mr. White
09-18-2009, 10:55 AM
After seeing this clip on another message board, this is absolutely sickening:

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii219/losloseeboy/jetex.gif

It's blocked here at work. What is it?

TEXANS84
09-18-2009, 10:57 AM
It's blocked here at work. What is it?

A grown man that makes millions of dollars getting thrown to the ground like a ragdoll. :voodoo:

Honoring Earl 34
09-18-2009, 10:58 AM
I cant help but laugh now. A grown man getting owned like that.

You notice how Peppers has slumped since Jenkins left Carolina ? As great as Reggie White was , how good would he have been if Jerome Brown wasn't killed in a car wreck ? A 350 lb man who is that quick and strong is worth every penny .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KL2msAhSfiQ&feature=PlayList&p=141CF0191A0189C2&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=10

Myers should put WELCOME on the back of his jersey .

he Jenkins trade cost the Jets third- and fifth-round picks in the upcoming draft. They might be able to recoup one or both picks by trading nose tackle Dewayne Robertson, who is being shopped. Tannenbaum, posturing, said of Robertson, "We expect him here for the offseason program. Nothing is imminent."

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/2008/03/01/2008-03-01_jets_trade_for_panthers_kris_jenkins_clo.html#i xzz0RTG7aBPY

Vinny
09-18-2009, 11:05 AM
After seeing this clip on another message board, this is absolutely sickening:

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii219/losloseeboy/jetex.gif The design of that play which leaves Jenkins one on one with Myers is crazy. If Slaton was the help in the play, that's even crazier.

mussop
09-18-2009, 11:17 AM
I understand Pitts & Winston are fan favorites. I've got to assume that's why we don't see pictures of either of them getting blown up, or making poor blocks. It is not because it doesn't happen. I know better. It is not because it happens less often. I've counted.

Well lets see youre then.

Maddict5
09-18-2009, 11:21 AM
The Jenkins trade cost the Jets third- and fifth-round picks in the upcoming draft

im going to cry. talk about an absolute bargain for the jets

MannyFresh
09-18-2009, 11:28 AM
After seeing this clip on another message board, this is absolutely sickening:

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii219/losloseeboy/jetex.gif

Thats ULTIMATE FAIL! you can't let yourself get b****slapped like that!

Vinny
09-18-2009, 11:30 AM
Thats ULTIMATE FAIL! you can't let yourself get b****slapped like that!That happened over and over last season too. It reminds me of how slow the team is to correct problems. It took them 5 years and two coaching staffs to figure out Carr wasn't worth a damn.

Silver Oak
09-18-2009, 11:33 AM
After seeing this clip on another message board, this is absolutely sickening:

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii219/losloseeboy/jetex.gif

thanks for the posted vid clip and bit of bile that rose in my throat.

MightyTExan
09-18-2009, 11:37 AM
Understatement, but I think it hurts Schaub because he can never step-up in the pocket.

Thorn
09-18-2009, 11:40 AM
That clip is just sad. Very sad.

TEXANS84
09-18-2009, 11:46 AM
Also looks like Duane Brown let a LB get by on the outside too. Just a bad play from the start to finish.

MannyFresh
09-18-2009, 11:51 AM
That happened over and over last season too. It reminds me of how slow the team is to correct problems. It took them 5 years and two coaching staffs to figure out Carr wasn't worth a damn.


Whats more frustrating is that by the 3rd Quarter you should, I reiterate, should have some sort of adjustments in place....we'll see if there are any this Sunday. :gun:

Honoring Earl 34
09-18-2009, 11:53 AM
Whats more frustrating is that by the 3rd Quarter you should, I reiterate, should have some sort of adjustments in place....we'll see if there are any this Sunday. :gun:

They did ... they gave Schaub bigger shoulder pads and a better helmet . :butterfly:

HOU-TEX
09-18-2009, 11:54 AM
Whats more frustrating is that by the 3rd Quarter you should, I reiterate, should have some sort of adjustments in place....we'll see if there are any this Sunday. :gun:

You mean adjusting at halftime? Nah, the Texans head to the locker room for their halftime treats (i.e. popsicles, oranges, etc.)

TheRealJoker
09-18-2009, 12:14 PM
It cost the Jets 3rd and 5th round picks that is a better player than both our 1st round DTs combined!!!

MannyFresh
09-18-2009, 12:18 PM
You mean adjusting at halftime? Nah, the Texans head to the locker room for their halftime treats (i.e. popsicles, oranges, etc.)

Instead of playing "cute" video segments of them playing NCAA 10 on the Playstation and pickle tickling each other, a few more drills would probably help...

HOU-TEX
09-18-2009, 12:20 PM
Instead of playing "cute" video segments of them playing NCAA 10 on the Playstation and pickle tickling each other, a few more drills would probably help...

"Pickle tickling"? :spit:

HTown2ATX
09-18-2009, 12:28 PM
O GOD, I saw that clip just now and busted up laughing here at work! Hilarious (in such a bad way). Dude looked cartoonish the way he got owned!

:bender:

76Texan
09-18-2009, 12:43 PM
Did you guys see Pitts get *****-slap by Jenkins twice (2 different plays)?

76Texan
09-18-2009, 12:45 PM
The Jenkins trade cost the Jets third- and fifth-round picks in the upcoming draft

im going to cry. talk about an absolute bargain for the jets
The year before last, I started a thread mentioning getting Jenkins for our second rounder, there were hardly any taker!

Honoring Earl 34
09-18-2009, 12:58 PM
The year before last, I started a thread mentioning getting Jenkins for our second rounder, there were hardly any taker!

We didn't have a 2nd last year .

Silver Oak
09-18-2009, 01:08 PM
don't know who they were speaking to, but The Mike and Mike show had a guy who said the Jets blitzed us 26 times...more than any other defense did to another offense last week.

76Texan
09-18-2009, 01:15 PM
We didn't have a 2nd last year .

That was before we acquired Matt Schaub (which I insisted that I don't like the 2 spots down + two seconds & a big contract).

Still, we can trade down (from the #10 spot with which we select Okoye) to get Jenkins and reacquire a 2nd, or a 3rd for example.

Honoring Earl 34
09-18-2009, 01:19 PM
That was before we acquired Matt Schaub (which I insisted that I don't like the 2 spots down + two seconds & a big contract).

Still, we can trade down (from the #10 spot with which we select Okoye) to get Jenkins and reacquire a 2nd, or a 3rd for example.

I remember the Panthers and Jenkins having issues , I'm not sure what year . I remember him being an up and coming player .

Vinny
09-18-2009, 01:20 PM
I remember the Panthers and Jenkins having issues , I'm not sure what year . I remember him being an up and coming player .He had injury problems for two years but he went to 4 Pro Bowls in the years he wasn't hurt.

ChampionTexan
09-18-2009, 01:24 PM
You notice how Peppers has slumped since Jenkins left Carolina ? As great as Reggie White was , how good would he have been if Jerome Brown wasn't killed in a car wreck ? A 350 lb man who is that quick and strong is worth every penny .



Last year (the first year Jenkins was in NY), Peppers had 14.5 sacks, made the pro-bowl, and finished 3rd in the All Pro voting for DE's. Not exactly slumping.

He had a very subpar year in '07, but Jenkins was still with the Panthers that year - starting 15 games, and playing in all of them.

76Texan
09-18-2009, 01:30 PM
He wanted more money.
The Jets signed him for 5-yr $30.25

How much did we sign Antonio Smith for?

Honoring Earl 34
09-18-2009, 01:36 PM
Last year (the first year Jenkins was in NY), Peppers had 14.5 sacks, made the pro-bowl, and finished 3rd in the All Pro voting for DE's. Not exactly slumping.

He had a very subpar year in '07, but Jenkins was still with the Panthers that year - starting 15 games, and playing in all of them.

Yep ... your right .

MannyFresh
09-18-2009, 08:01 PM
So is he still starting on Sunday?

PapaL
09-18-2009, 08:37 PM
don't know who they were speaking to, but The Mike and Mike show had a guy who said the Jets blitzed us 26 times...more than any other defense did to another offense last week.

To which I counter; We were blitzed 26 times last week which we max protected 0 times...less than any other Offense in the league. :scarygirl:

Wolf
09-18-2009, 09:14 PM
yeah, I noticed how the jets would bring in 2 RB's to max protect at times with our blitz with a RB on either side of Sanchez later in the game or to bring the backs in and then one or the other would go out on a screen :gun:

thunderkyss
09-18-2009, 11:28 PM
To which I counter; We were blitzed 26 times last week which we max protected 0 times...less than any other Offense in the league. :scarygirl:

Kubiak believes the QB should get rid of the ball. & to a point, I agree with him.

Which brings up another point. If he is not going to max protect, why don't we go ahead to 4 & 5 receiver sets.

Single backfield (because he will use a HB to block, 3 WR & a tightend, or 4 WRs & no TE at all. David Anderson IMHO deserves to be on the field. Not to the point that we take Andre or Walter out, but Anderson should be on the field a lot more than he has been.

Jacoby IMHO looks like he's coming along very well, Martinez looks good, & Andre Davis is still Andre Davis (IMO, that's not a bad thing) but it makes no sense that we have all these recievers, each with their own talents, but we put them on a "traditional" dept Chart.

We ought to have plays designed with Andre Johnson, Kevin Walter & Andre Davis on the field..... then more plays with AJ, KDub, & Anderson, same with Jacoby & Martinez. I'd like to see a play or two, with AJ, AD, & Martinez...

If we had a Mike Martz over hear, he'd bust a nut every morning just coming to work.

CloakNNNdagger
09-18-2009, 11:52 PM
Hate to say it, but Kubiak has shown a pattern of stubborness to "stay the course" despite the ship taking water and listing badly........ and his mates girggling and taking water themselves.

Mari-OWNED!
09-19-2009, 01:04 AM
People thought I was stupid for wanting Max Unger in the 2nd round...

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60956

76Texan
09-19-2009, 01:42 AM
People thought I was stupid for wanting Max Unger in the 2nd round...

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60956

LOL, you made me watch the Rams/Seahawks game.
At 6:25 in the second quarter, Unger (playing RG) was an exact mirror of Myers getting *****-slapped to the ground, LOL, LOL! (By the backup DT no less, LOL LOL!)
What a coincidence!

I'm not gonna finished that game.
He didn't look too good in the running game so far.
And the Hawks only throw quick pass; and he still allowed a couple of penetrations. And it's not even a half yet.

I dunno, maybe long term, he'll be alright.
I don't like him at our spot in the second round though.
I was just not too high on any C or G at our spots in the first or second, that's all.

beerlover
09-19-2009, 03:45 AM
plain & simple I wanted to trade back & do something like New England or Buffalo (trades). the Texans simply stood pat & selected who they thought where the best available players on the defensive side of the ball to help Bush succeed as their new defensive coordinator.

offensively they feel the game is manageable with borderline starters who are team players & hard workers. nothing wrong with that except in this case its getting Matt Schaub, like it or not the Texans franchise QB, killed. I also think with the first day picks both being defensive players & their biggest free agent aquistion being defensive the balance of talent is seriously lacking now on the offensive side.

this is proof that you can't just coach players up & they're NFL starters, they have to have some god given talent to along with it. as with Carr so it is with Schaub you spend millions on the player yet fail to protect him. It's not all on Myers, Pitts has been part of the problem since inception, put him next to a vastly improving but still inexpereinced LT in Duane Brown & you got problems. Mike Brisiel is at least getting a stand-off but in no way is he dominant or blowing huge chunks of open lanes or keeping the pocket from collapsing. Eric makes mistakes too but he is so massive the speed rushers give him problems, I think he could be a dominant guard however, both sides.

switching gears where is Caldwell? I say he's a LG Texans say he's a RG whatever it is play him, lets see what he's got? when you select players the first day you expect them to start right away. 2nd day not so much though if you got a sucky team & a weakness to address that player should be able to crack that team starting roster, period.

Kubiaks timing has been off his entire tenure with the Texans in key decision making. In 2006 the Texans big free agent aquistion was LDE Anthony Weaver then they drafted Mario Williams to play RDE. in 2009 it was LDE Antoino Smith, they drafted RDE Connor Barwin. That is a ton of money invested on the DL in the last three years, yet very little on the OL.

So when someone says they're upset the Texans passed on Unger its not a knock on Connor as much as a knock on the Texans priorities. What I fail to understand is the Texans gave up two second round picks to get Schaub, who is now close to being another damaged product, & expect a hard working yet undersized marginal Center talent to fend off NFL monsters from crushing Matts body apart?

maybe its hindsight? but it would seem a model needed to copy next draft is duplicate the Bills 1st day draft last June selecting Eric Wood in a trade from Philly for Peters late in the 1st rd. & Andy Levitre late in 2nd from trading with Dallas. they too got tired of taking a beating up front & pushed around so they got stronger, tougher & meaner in the inteior line. thats something to keep an eye on in the 2010 draft.

Malloy
09-19-2009, 03:51 AM
Hate to say it, but Kubiak has shown a pattern of stubborness to "stay the course" despite the ship taking water and listing badly........ and his mates girggling and taking water themselves.

And that is my biggest problem with this franshise. If it aint broke, dont fix it. If it IS broke, FIX IT!

Staying on course = Execute

HJam72
09-19-2009, 08:19 AM
Hate to say it, but Kubiak has shown a pattern of stubborness to "stay the course" despite the ship taking water and listing badly........ and his mates girggling and taking water themselves.

I hate to advocate a coach learning on the fly, but maybe....just maybe he has learned from that mistake while watching the game tape. Let's hope so.

Mari-OWNED!
09-19-2009, 03:22 PM
LOL, you made me watch the Rams/Seahawks game.
At 6:25 in the second quarter, Unger (playing RG) was an exact mirror of Myers getting *****-slapped to the ground, LOL, LOL! (By the backup DT no less, LOL LOL!)
What a coincidence!

I'm not gonna finished that game.
He didn't look too good in the running game so far.
And the Hawks only throw quick pass; and he still allowed a couple of penetrations. And it's not even a half yet.

I dunno, maybe long term, he'll be alright.
I don't like him at our spot in the second round though.
I was just not too high on any C or G at our spots in the first or second, that's all.

You're comparing a rookie on his first NFL game, to a guy that's been in the league for 5 years and has been nothing but fail. Think about it. :thinking:

They all cannot be Ryan Clady right out the gate.

thunderkyss
09-19-2009, 03:31 PM
People thought I was stupid for wanting Max Unger in the 2nd round...

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60956

If you watch the play of of our OL, even Myers & Briesel, you'll see it's not a matter of talent. It's awareness. Got to wonder what the heck Kubiak, Shanahan & Gibbs are telling them/teaching them.

They can do the job..... I have no doubt. I just don't understand why they do what they do.

76Texan
09-19-2009, 03:55 PM
You're comparing a rookie on his first NFL game, to a guy that's been in the league for 5 years and has been nothing but fail. Think about it. :thinking:

They all cannot be Ryan Clady right out the gate.

Who says I was comparing? :specnatz:
I just find it funny to see so many *****-slapping going on in one week, is all, I'm still laughing about it all, LOL!

And I have no idea how you define failure.
But never mind!

BTW, Clady played pretty good for a rookie, but he was below average as compared with other LTs in the league.
But never mind!

Sorry, I don't want to get into a quarrell with ya' so I won't respond anymore on this. I will read what you post though, fair? http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/images/icons/icon6.gif