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rmartin65
09-10-2009, 12:05 PM
Safety... The last line of defense. A good safety can change games by shutting down the passing game or a monster hit. Sadly, our Texans have never had an elite safety, and rarely have we had passable safeties. Next years draft class is pretty thick at the top with safety talent. Here are the top prospects, by my rankings.

Tier 1- Elite Prospects

Tennessee FS/SS Eric Berry, 5'11" 203
Berry is the cream of the safety crop. Quick, fast, agile, strong, the kid has it all. He will most likely hold the record for interception return yards by the end of the season, as just a junior. Ball hawk with power.

USC FS/SS Taylor Mays, 6'3" 235
Mays is a LB sized safety with elite speed. Dont believe the 4.2 rumors though, the USC track is very fast. If he came out last year, he would have been a top 15 pick, and the first safety off the board. Next years draft could see him sliding into the top ten. A punishing hitter, he is not the ballhawk that Berry is. This could be because of the system he plays in. Still, a great player.

Tier 1 1/2- Very Good Prospects

Georgia Tech FS/SS Morgan Burnett, 6'1" 210 lbs
Burnett is flying up my draft board thanks to some of the posters here. I urge people to start watching him closely, he is the real deal. He should be available in the late teens, so maybe within our grasp. He is more of a coverage DB.

Tier 2- Good Prospects

Georgia SS/FS Reshad Jones, 6'2" 212 lbs
Jones is a hard player to figure out. Some people love him and put him in the middle of the first, others put him in the 3rd. I am in the middle. Jones was the best player in the Georgia secondary. He is not afraid to stick his nose in, and has good ball skills. I think he will go in the early second.

Kansas SS Darrell Stuckey, 5'11" 205 lbs
Stuckey is one of my favorite DB's in the draft. He is a great tackling safety who is unafraid of contact. He is also a very high quality person. I am a little afraid of his pass defense, but it happens.

LSU FS Chad Jones, 6'3' 214
Jones is an athletic centerfielder who does not quite live up to his billing. His play needs to step up this year.

Tier 3- Solid Prospects

Ex- Florida State SS Myron Rolle, 6'2" 223 lbs
Rolle was a great safety, but is taking a year off from football to further his education. Reports are that he is still training, but we will see how he does in the combine (he will get an invite).

South Florida FS Nate Allen, 6'1" 206 lbs
An underrated safety from the Big East, Allen has ball skills, athleticism and is a physical player. The problem? He plays in the Big East. Allen should be a solid contributor at the next level.

Florida FS Major Wright, 6' 204 lbs
I am not as high on Wright as other people are, but he could be a good backup that turns into an effective starter in a few years. I feel that he looks better than he is because of the level of talent on the Florida D.

Virginia Tech SS Kam Chancellor, 6'3" 230
I was very high on Chancellor before the season, but he disappointed last week. He has all the ability, but does not seem to understand the safety position. He might be more suited to a move to OLB. However, he does have the speed for SS, and more than enough strength


Ok, thats what I got. Please discuss, disagree, or suggest people that I left out.

Vinny
09-10-2009, 12:08 PM
Arguably two of the best defenses the last few years have had top caliber S play. The Steelers with Polamalu and the Ravens with Ed Reed. Different styles but an impact player who changes the game. Defensive guru Jeff Fisher has always put a premium on S play as well and Michael Griffin is a rising star on what was a heck of a D last year too.

pbat488
09-10-2009, 12:14 PM
I think Myron Rolle is going to end up being classified in the tier 1 1/2 classification. He is a very fluid player, extremely intelligent, and a great athlete to top it off. Hopefully TexansSeminole comes in here and can add some more information since he's watched him play for the past couple of years.

However Eric Berry is at the top of my list. I love the way he plays. I have a huge man-crush on him.

Texecutioner
09-10-2009, 12:25 PM
Arguably two of the best defenses the last few years have had top caliber S play. The Steelers with Polamalu and the Ravens with Ed Reed. Different styles but an impact player who changes the game. Defensive guru Jeff Fisher has always put a premium on S play as well and Michael Griffin is a rising star on what was a heck of a D last year too.

Yeah, I think elite safties are starting to make more and more of a difference now days. Bob Sanders has been a huge difference maker for the Colts and was that difference in that season when they made that SB run.

Griffin was the guy I wanted the Texans to draft over anyone when we went after Okoye. Everyone raved on and on about Landry and Nelson, but Griffin had clearly been the best safety in college between all 3 and I knew he would be the best in the pros. Griffin is such a freaking stud.

I would do every thing to get Eric berry and even trade up for the guy. He would mean so much to any defense. Safeties like him only come along every 4 years or so like a Griffin, Sean Taylor, or a an Ed Reed.

rmartin65
09-10-2009, 12:42 PM
I think Myron Rolle is going to end up being classified in the tier 1 1/2 classification. He is a very fluid player, extremely intelligent, and a great athlete to top it off. Hopefully TexansSeminole comes in here and can add some more information since he's watched him play for the past couple of years.

However Eric Berry is at the top of my list. I love the way he plays. I have a huge man-crush on him.

I like Rolle well enough, its the layoff that worries me. I had him as a 2nd rounder last year, but a year off knocks him back a round or two.

76Texan
09-10-2009, 03:04 PM
The thing with Taylor Mays is that USC's defense has been very stout on the front 7.

Yet, a lot of teams still try to run on them (and/or go with the short pass) at the beginnning of the game to keep the score close.
So he does not have as many chances as other safeties.

You would think that with USC mostly ahead that the other teams would pass more, but it wasn't the case.

Last year, their opponents ran the ball 387 times, while attempting only 345 passes in the regular season (4 TDs).

And when they did pass, they stayed away from him mostly.

And it looks the same this year.
In a losing effort (3-56), the San Jose St. Spartans ran 31 times and passed 30 times, none his way.

There was only one instance that he had to come over to the side line to help out a CB.
The CB committed interference.
That slowed down the WR and they called a late hit on Mays.
(I don't think it was but I would have to go back and check).
It was a big hit, an enforcer type of hit.
There was no way that receiver (6'0-190) can hang on to the ball.

He had to go get after the ball himself to get into action.

5 assists and one solo tackle (all on running plays).

The solo was when he came up close to the LOS and chased behind the LOS to the other side to get to the ball carrier, who had run off-tackle or some sort of outside run. (I might have to go back and look at this play.
I don't care if he doesn't run a 4'2.
That right there is faster than fast.

I will try to watch Burnett next in the Ga Tech game.

TexansSeminole
09-10-2009, 03:11 PM
Rolle was always a solid player but two things concern/ed me about him. One is that he never really improved that much, he was pretty much the same player in his last year than he was in his first year. The other is that he never made any big plays. Game after game, year after year Seminole fans would wait for him to have a breakout year but he never did.

Rolle overall is a good tackler when he gets his hands on you and average in coverage. However, he will take really bad angles on occasion, he doesn't take full advantage of his athleticism, and he is the opposite of what you would call a ballhawk.

I love Myron Rolle for everything he has accomplished, he is a truly great Seminole but as far as NFL potential I wouldn't take him until the 4th round in the 2010 draft.

I've always said that Myron Rolle needs to stick to academics. For as good as he is at football, he is 10 times more talented in the academic world. He's already starting up a free medical clinic in Exuma in the Bahamas. He is going to finance the project through his non profit foundation that bears his name. The free clinic will also bear his name. He's partnered up with FSU so med students will provide free treatment. Rolle said that if they need an X-ray done on the island they have to make a plane ride and he felt it was wrong.

rmartin65
09-10-2009, 03:14 PM
Dont get me wrong; I love Mays as a prospect. If Berry is 1a then Mays is 1b, the Texans would be upgraded big time with either of these guys. Burnett as well.

76Texan
09-10-2009, 03:21 PM
Dont get me wrong; I love Mays as a prospect. If Berry is 1a then Mays is 1b, the Texans would be upgraded big time with either of these guys. Burnett as well.

I know! What I want to do is to study these guys, that's all.
I'm not endorsing any of these guys 110% at the moment.

Wolf6151
09-10-2009, 11:32 PM
rmartin65, excellent write up. For purposes of the Texans I think I'd rather have Burnett over Mays at SS, because I want someone who has better coverage and ballhawk skills. Mays is a great athlete with great speed as well but I also wonder if he's patially at least a product to the system that he plays in and the fact that he has so much talent around him. I saw Burnett in the 1st quarter of the Clemson game tonight and he was impressive, very good speed and seemed to be in on almost every defensive play and wasn't afraid to tackle.

I know it's overrated but does anyone know what Burnett's 40 time is?

76Texan
09-11-2009, 12:09 AM
rmartin65, excellent write up. For purposes of the Texans I think I'd rather have Burnett over Mays at SS, because I want someone who has better coverage and ballhawk skills. Mays is a great athlete with great speed as well but I also wonder if he's patially at least a product to the system that he plays in and the fact that he has so much talent around him. I saw Burnett in the 1st quarter of the Clemson game tonight and he was impressive, very good speed and seemed to be in on almost every defensive play and wasn't afraid to tackle.

I know it's overrated but does anyone know what Burnett's 40 time is?

Out of HS, his 40 time was mediocre 4.56; but his shuttle speed of 4.00 was better. (At the Nike camp).

I think I've read somewhere that he runs in the 4.40s; I can't be sure of that though.

TexansSeminole
09-11-2009, 12:12 AM
Well, after doing some research they only credited him to 1 tackle, but I can't see how that is accurate as I saw him in on a bunch of tackles.

76Texan
09-11-2009, 12:18 AM
Well, after doing some research they only credited him to 1 tackle, but I can't see how that is accurate as I saw him in on a bunch of tackles.

where did you see that?

TexansSeminole
09-11-2009, 12:34 AM
where did you see that?

Ramblinwreck.com

76Texan
09-11-2009, 12:41 AM
Ramblinwreck.com

What I know for sure is that he should be credited for an assist for the first running play.

Then he came up and made a nice PBU but the D was called for offsides.

On 3rd and 2 he came up and made a tackle to stop the runner one yard short of the first down.

On the next series, he came up and turned the runner in, then joined the tackling. Don't know if he will get credit for an assist or not.

I'll look at the game some more later!

At any rate, the official tallies should be out tomorrow.

rmartin65
09-11-2009, 06:32 AM
Well, after doing some research they only credited him to 1 tackle, but I can't see how that is accurate as I saw him in on a bunch of tackles.

I actually think that is pretty accurate. He might have had a couple more, but I mainly saw him as the third or fourth guy in, not the guy actually making the hit.

rmartin65
09-11-2009, 12:04 PM
Eric Berry highlight videos:

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=eric+berry+highlights&hl=en&client=firefox-a&emb=0&aq=0&oq=Eric+Berry#

The best two are the 2nd one down, and the Berry vs. Mays one.

Wolf6151
09-11-2009, 12:19 PM
Eric Berry highlight videos:

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=eric+berry+highlights&hl=en&client=firefox-a&emb=0&aq=0&oq=Eric+Berry#

The best two are the 2nd one down, and the Berry vs. Mays one.


Eric Berry really reminds me of Troy Polamalu, the way he runs, his speed, his fearlessness, his tackling ability, his wreckless abandonment in the secondary and athleticism. Some really bad team is going to get him, hopefully not Oakland, or some mediocre team is going to trade up and get him. I hate watching his video highlights because I get hyped up about someone who won't be available for us and would cost way to much to trade up and get. Maybe we can get Morgan Burnett instead, he's almost as good.

Texaninlild
09-11-2009, 12:22 PM
Arguably two of the best defenses the last few years have had top caliber S play. The Steelers with Polamalu and the Ravens with Ed Reed. Different styles but an impact player who changes the game. Defensive guru Jeff Fisher has always put a premium on S play as well and Michael Griffin is a rising star on what was a heck of a D last year too.

I think Tennessee usually plays with CB/S hybrids. Guys who can cover and get to the ball.

bah007
09-11-2009, 01:02 PM
I think Tennessee usually plays with CB/S hybrids. Guys who can cover and get to the ball.

They do. Eric Berry was a CB in high school.

76Texan
09-11-2009, 01:44 PM
They do. Eric Berry was a CB in high school.

Last year, they played Eric deeper than most teams (confirmed by several announcers during games).

This first game, I haven't seen how they use him; but according to the Volsnation site, they brought him up and use him more as a rover a la Patrick Chung. Also, according to that side, he missed one tackle.

Officially (ncaa.org), he ended up with one pass defended, one tackle and two assists .

76Texan
09-11-2009, 01:47 PM
I actually think that is pretty accurate. He might have had a couple more, but I mainly saw him as the third or fourth guy in, not the guy actually making the hit.

There's no official numbers for the Clemson game yet.

But against Jacksonville St. Burnett' lines were:

One Int
One pass defended
Three tackles (one for loss)
Two assists.

Texecutioner
09-11-2009, 01:50 PM
I don't think that the Texans will ever use a 1st round draft pick on a safety. They'll most likely waste another draft pick on a poor DT again next year.

76Texan
09-11-2009, 01:56 PM
Eric Berry highlight videos:

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=eric+berry+highlights&hl=en&client=firefox-a&emb=0&aq=0&oq=Eric+Berry#

The best two are the 2nd one down, and the Berry vs. Mays one.

I cannot recall an instance where they throw the ball anywhere near Mays like that!

rmartin65
09-11-2009, 04:27 PM
There's no official numbers for the Clemson game yet.

But against Jacksonville St. Burnett' lines were:

One Int
One pass defended
Three tackles (one for loss)
Two assists.

Its Jacksonville St. though. I am not doubting that Burnett is good, he certainly has his moments. I just did not see much of him last night.

Wolf6151
09-11-2009, 04:53 PM
I don't think that the Texans will ever use a 1st round draft pick on a safety. They'll most likely waste another draft pick on a poor DT again next year.

I hate it but your probably right. Next years 1st round draft pick needs to be spent on a CB or FS/SS. We have spent entirely to many high draft picks trying to fix the D-line, spread some of that talent around the team.

76Texan
09-11-2009, 04:57 PM
Its Jacksonville St. though. I am not doubting that Burnett is good, he certainly has his moments. I just did not see much of him last night.

I did!

I've rewatched the game until somewhere in the third.
Lots of good things and one questionable decision (depending on the defensive scheme, which I will elaborate when I have time).
But he definitely had more than 1 tackle, along with the assists.

TimeKiller
09-11-2009, 06:27 PM
Right now I can't imagine a scenario where the Texans don't give up what it takes to grab Berry or Mays.

Wolf6151
09-12-2009, 12:43 AM
Right now I can't imagine a scenario where the Texans don't give up what it takes to grab Berry or Mays.

I'd love for the Texans to get Berry but I also think that it would cost way to much to move up that high. We'll probably be drafting in the 18-22 range and Berry will most likely go in the top 5. That would be a very expensive trade up and I don't see Kubiak trading up. If anything I think he'd trade down for extra picks. Mays is a great athlete with great speed but I don't think the Texans will be looking for his type of player. I think they'll want someone much better is pass coverage with some serious ballhawk skills. Hopefully we take Morgan Burnett in the 1st round and hopefully we don't go for another DT in the 1st.

rmartin65
09-12-2009, 07:54 AM
Right now I can't imagine a scenario where the Texans don't give up what it takes to grab Berry or Mays.

I wish. I see about a 5% chance of a trade up, historically the Texans dont do it, and this one would be expensive.

rmartin65
09-14-2009, 04:05 PM
Sorry this is late, I have been away from a computer for the last day and a half (probably a good thing, considering the Jets game. Holy shit that was ugly).

Of the top 3 safeties (Berry, Mays, Burnett), I would rank them: Mays, Berry, Burnett. Mays was more of a force during the game than the other two, as he stepped up against both the run and the pass. Berry was a force along the line of scrimmage, and average against the pass. I did not see anything spectacular from him there, which means he won the battle. Burnett was invisible to me. I saw him run in late on quite a few plays, but the guy was already wrapped up.

Blake
09-14-2009, 04:11 PM
Safety? How bout quarterback...

bah007
09-14-2009, 04:54 PM
Statistical production so far:

Berry - 3 tackles, 1 pass defended vs Western Kentucky
10 tackles, .5 TFL, 1 QB hurry vs UCLA

Burnett - 5 tackles, .5 TFL, 1 pass defended, 1 INT vs Jacksonville St
1 tackle vs Clemson

Mays - 6 tackles vs San Jose St
8 tackles at Ohio St

Wolf6151
09-14-2009, 05:15 PM
In a previous post I said that we won't be in a position to draft Berry because he'll go way to early for us to think about. If we keep playing like we did yesterday then we won't have to worry about the cost of trading up for Berry, we'll just pick him ourselves.

If we can't get Berry then I'd like to have Burnett over Mays. Burnett is more of a coverage Safety and more of a ballhawk than Mays.

I'd also like to have a better coaching staff, but that's a topic for a different thread.

beerlover
09-15-2009, 02:09 AM
It would be nice to find a Bob Sanders clone in the 2nd. An early 2nd might net Kansas SS Darrell Stuckey. In last years draft I watched in horror as Louis Delmas went to Detroit #33 & Patrick Chung went #34 to New England. Stuckey is more polished than either, head hunter with ball skills. It's early but projecting him in the 30-35 range seems about right, how the Texans get there I have no idea :pop:

steelbtexan
09-15-2009, 08:45 AM
BL

The Texans get there by continuing to play ball like they did Sunday.

76Texan
09-15-2009, 11:12 AM
It would be nice to find a Bob Sanders clone in the 2nd. An early 2nd might net Kansas SS Darrell Stuckey. In last years draft I watched in horror as Louis Delmas went to Detroit #33 & Patrick Chung went #34 to New England. Stuckey is more polished than either, head hunter with ball skills. It's early but projecting him in the 30-35 range seems about right, how the Texans get there I have no idea :pop:

Some listed him at 6-1, 6-0.
NFLDraftscout had him at 5'11
What's his real height, anybody knows?

beerlover
09-15-2009, 12:24 PM
Some listed him at 6-1, 6-0.
NFLDraftscout had him at 5'11
What's his real height, anybody knows?

5110 - ourlads scouting services

76Texan
09-15-2009, 12:32 PM
5110 - ourlads scouting services

He looks tall and big in his HS video!
Oh wait, that was H.S. , LOL!

rmartin65
09-15-2009, 01:26 PM
5'11" sounds about right for Stuckey. If we dont go safety in the first round, Stuckey in the second is a good idea. He should be there in around the middle of the round.

TimeKiller
09-16-2009, 12:26 PM
I'd love for the Texans to get Berry but I also think that it would cost way to much to move up that high. We'll probably be drafting in the 18-22 range and Berry will most likely go in the top 5. That would be a very expensive trade up and I don't see Kubiak trading up. If anything I think he'd trade down for extra picks. Mays is a great athlete with great speed but I don't think the Texans will be looking for his type of player. I think they'll want someone much better is pass coverage with some serious ballhawk skills. Hopefully we take Morgan Burnett in the 1st round and hopefully we don't go for another DT in the 1st.

I wish. I see about a 5% chance of a trade up, historically the Texans dont do it, and this one would be expensive.

Could you guys speak into the microphone please? It's hard to hear you with my fingers stuck in my ears while I hum the national anthem....:)

Great athlete and great speed...from USC....sure, the Texans would never dare spend a 1st round pick on something like that. If you're going to address it you may as well address it right. I know the Texans are probably gonna F it up somehow but for once, if they just did something like this....MAYBE it would work out nicely.

bah007
09-20-2009, 11:31 AM
Statistical production so far:

Berry - 3 tackles, 1 pass defended vs Western Kentucky
10 tackles, .5 TFL, 1 QB hurry vs UCLA
11 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 INT at Florida

Burnett - 5 tackles, .5 TFL, 1 pass defended, 1 INT vs Jacksonville St
1 tackle vs Clemson
8 tackles at Miami

Mays - 6 tackles vs San Jose St
8 tackles at Ohio St
DNP (injury) at Washington

And I'm adding a new guy to the list, Earl Thomas of Texas. He is a redshirt sophomore so he is eligible for the draft after this season. And though he probably will not enter, I think we should at least keep an eye on him. I think he is going to be special.

2 passes defended vs UL Monroe
2 tackles, 1 pass defended at Wyoming
8 tackles, 1 pass defended, 1 INT vs Texas Tech

76Texan
09-20-2009, 11:58 AM
Berry played very well against the Gators, I must say.

Right now I have Berry & Mays in a dead heat.
And Burnett in third.

bah007
09-20-2009, 04:27 PM
Berry played very well against the Gators, I must say.

Right now I have Berry & Mays in a dead heat.
And Burnett in third.

I've got Berry as the top player on my draft board....by a lot.

He was easily the best player on the field in the UT-UF game.

rmartin65
09-20-2009, 04:39 PM
Berry played very well against the Gators, I must say.

Right now I have Berry & Mays in a dead heat.
And Burnett in third.

That seems pretty fair, but I would give Berry the edge over Mays. He just looks more like a playmaker out there.

Burnett is dropping in my rankings a bit. Still the 3rd safety, but he is losing ground.

I've got Berry as the top player on my draft board....by a lot.

He was easily the best player on the field in the UT-UF game.

Word.

Wolf6151
09-20-2009, 05:22 PM
We had a great win today over Tennessee, but can you imagine how good we could be with real safeties that could fight off blocks and weren't afraid of contact and knew how to tackle. Along with real CB's who knew how to find the ball and knew how to cover and didn't give 10 yd. cushions.

76Texan
09-21-2009, 11:42 AM
I've got Berry as the top player on my draft board....by a lot.

He was easily the best player on the field in the UT-UF game.

He was!

Mays missed the Washington game, so we can't really compare the two of them. But then again, Mays might have made a difference for USC in that game. Did they miss him? I dunno.

Just have to wait for the next game, I guess!

76Texan
09-21-2009, 11:43 AM
That seems pretty fair, but I would give Berry the edge over Mays. He just looks more like a playmaker out there.

Burnett is dropping in my rankings a bit. Still the 3rd safety, but he is losing ground.



Word.

What he says!

bah007
09-21-2009, 12:54 PM
He was!

Mays missed the Washington game, so we can't really compare the two of them. But then again, Mays might have made a difference for USC in that game. Did they miss him? I dunno.

Just have to wait for the next game, I guess!

I imagine that USC missed Mays back there. I don't think Locker completes that bomb to set up the FG if Mays is back there in Cover 2.

76Texan
09-21-2009, 01:18 PM
I would love to see Mays in place of Berry on that Tebow's run on the right sideline.

Tebow won that collision over Berry, I'd say.

bah007
09-21-2009, 01:29 PM
I would love to see Mays in place of Berry on that Tebow's run on the right sideline.

Tebow won that collision over Berry, I'd say.

Berry may have got knocked backwards, but Tebow went straight down at the point of contact. That's all you can ask of your defender when he is outweighed by 30 pounds.

A Mays-Tebow collision would probably bring a pretty nice pop.

TexansSeminole
09-27-2009, 10:14 AM
Morgan Burnett had 6 tackles and 2 interceptions against North Carolina on Saturday.

76Texan
09-27-2009, 10:22 AM
Morgan Burnett had 6 tackles and 2 interceptions against North Carolina on Saturday.

Another horse back in the race!

bah007
09-27-2009, 11:16 AM
Statistical production so far:

Eric Berry -
3 tackles, 1 pass defended vs Western Kentucky
10 tackles, .5 TFL, vs UCLA
11 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 INT at Florida
7 tackles, .5 TFL vs Ohio

Morgan Burnett -
5 tackles, .5 TFL, 1 pass defended, 1 INT vs Jacksonville St
1 tackle vs Clemson
8 tackles at Miami
6 tackles, 2 INTs vs North Carolina

Taylor Mays -
6 tackles vs San Jose St
8 tackles at Ohio St
DNP (injury) at Washington
4 tackles vs Washington St

Earl Thomas -
2 passes defended vs UL Monroe
2 tackles, 1 pass defended at Wyoming
8 tackles, 1 pass defended, 1 INT vs Texas Tech
2 INTs vs UTEP

bah007
10-04-2009, 06:54 PM
Statistical production so far:

Eric Berry -
3 tackles, 1 pass defended vs Western Kentucky
10 tackles, .5 TFL, vs UCLA
11 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 INT at Florida
7 tackles, .5 TFL vs Ohio
14 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 pass defended vs Auburn

Morgan Burnett -
5 tackles, .5 TFL, 1 pass defended, 1 INT vs Jacksonville St
1 tackle vs Clemson
8 tackles at Miami
6 tackles, 2 INTs vs North Carolina
7 tackles, 1 pass defended at Mississippi St

Taylor Mays -
6 tackles vs San Jose St
8 tackles at Ohio St
DNP (injury) at Washington
4 tackles vs Washington St
10 tackles, 1 INT at California

Earl Thomas -
2 passes defended vs UL Monroe
2 tackles, 1 pass defended at Wyoming
8 tackles, 1 pass defended, 1 INT vs Texas Tech
2 INTs vs UTEP

beerlover
10-06-2009, 12:45 PM
Just realized we are forgetting someone with a very bright future not only in the NFL but in life which would fit nicely here w/Texans Myron Rolle, SS, formerly FSU won/accepted Rhodes Scholarship instead of entering the 2009 N.F.L. draft. Rolle started for most of three seasons at Florida State and was considered a strong pro prospect. Instead he will head to England for a one-year masterís degree in medical anthropology. He said he would enter the 2010 draft.

It's not out of line to expect that he could deliver similar impact to the Texans safety position as Brain Cushing did for the linebackers. therefore he could be @ the top of the Texans board come next April :logo:

rmartin65
10-06-2009, 12:51 PM
Just realized we are forgetting someone with a very bright future not only in the NFL but in life which would fit nicely here w/Texans Myron Rolle, SS, formerly FSU won/accepted Rhodes Scholarship instead of entering the 2009 N.F.L. draft. Rolle started for most of three seasons at Florida State and was considered a strong pro prospect. Instead he will head to England for a one-year masterís degree in medical anthropology. He said he would enter the 2010 draft.

It's not out of line to expect that he could deliver similar impact to the Texans safety position as Brain Cushing did for the linebackers. therefore he could be @ the top of the Texans board come next April :logo:

Nope, he was not forgotten, he is on the list. I want to know what the year off will do to him.

TexansSeminole
10-06-2009, 12:54 PM
It's very difficult to project Florida State defensive backs to the pros these days. We play a man coverage scheme, because Mickey Andrews prefers to stick to archiac defenses against modernized spread schemes. I'd be surprised if we have played any zone this season. When Rolle was here he was mostly asked to play man coverage on a tight end or slot reciever. It may be the reason he didn't make a lot of plays on the ball. That goes for any safety we have had over the past 5 years.

He is great in run support and I would draft him in the 3rd round.

Goldensilence
10-06-2009, 01:15 PM
I'm not a big, big Notre Dame fan, but a sleeper this year at safety has been Kyle McCarthy. He just seems to be involved in at least one big play a game. I think he had 3 games with an an INT to start off the year and sealed the win last week on a big hit.

Listed 6'1" and 210 Lbs. If Pollard doesn't look like a long term answer at SS this year. We should give this guy a serious look.

beerlover
10-06-2009, 09:51 PM
He is great in run support and I would draft him in the 3rd round.

The only question should be what's his impact? Immediate or developmental. let's & focus on upgrading the Safety position its long overdue. Cushing is a great example of a football player who fits the scheme Bush wants with measureables to back it up. Rolle is similar player for the position he plays. Obviously smart with ability to breakdown offenses w/measureables size/tackling fundamentals etc to have immediate impact in this D, if he works out as he should why hesitate? take him in the first :)

TexansSeminole
10-06-2009, 09:59 PM
The only question should be what's his impact? Immediate or developmental. let's & focus on upgrading the Safety position its long overdue. Cushing is a great example of a football player who fits the scheme Bush wants with measureables to back it up. Rolle is similar player for the position he plays. Obviously smart with ability to breakdown offenses w/measureables size/tackling fundamentals etc to have immediate impact in this D, if he works out as he should why hesitate? take him in the first :)

Too many versatile safeties in this draft to take Rolle in the first round IMO. I wouldn't mind going safety 1st round and Rolle 3rd round.

steelbtexan
10-06-2009, 10:27 PM
Too many versatile safeties in this draft to take Rolle in the first round IMO. I wouldn't mind going safety 1st round and Rolle 3rd round.

Me either

Rd1 Haden
Rd2 Hudson
Rd3 Rolle

I would be happy with this but if they took Burnett in the 1st rd that would be a good thing.

Texan4Ever
10-06-2009, 11:54 PM
I think the Texans need to find a solid CB or stud S in the first round and if it were up to me I would probably go with Joe Haden in the first round and then try and grab Trevard Lindley in the second.

While I'm at it, I think we need to upgrade our C, OG, and DTs as well so I would probably got with Sergio Render (OG), Kristofer O'Dowd (C), and then DT with Tyson Alualu (Assuming that all these guys are draft eligible).

:lol: => Titans

beerlover
10-07-2009, 12:23 AM
Can't see him get past 2nd if not taken in 1st :spin:

NFL DRAFT SCOUT 01/28/09 Before choosing to accept a Rhodes Scholarship he won, S Myron Rolle contemplated the possible implications a year-long hiatus could have on his football career. If he were out of sight, a world away in Oxford, England, would he be out of mind? "When you're not around the college football scene and you're not able to perform on Saturdays for NFL teams to evaluate your performance," he said, "that could hurt." But Rolle's trepidation was short-lived. You see, he's got a well-thought out plan to be ready for the 2010 NFL draft. He'll continue working out in Orlando with noted trainer, Tom Shaw, until he leaves in September and then continue a regimen there, taping some of the recommendations from another Seminole standout who was in England on a Rhodes, Tampa's Garrett Johnson. He's also arranged with FSU's staff to send him game tapes, not only of his games from 2008 but of FSU's opponents in 2009 so he can study different offenses and prepare mentally as if he were lining up each Saturday. "I've never been one who has a poor work ethic or someone who doesn't want to get better every day, as coach Mickey Andrews says," said Rolle, who's busy these days making some public appearances as well as working on a book. "I'm going to stay in shape and work and train while in England so I can come to the February combine in 2010 very much in shape and I can come to impress. That's my stage to show the NFL teams that I haven't lost a step, that I'm still the athlete that I was. Hopefully I'll perform well and an NFL team looks at me as someone who can contribute to their franchise immediately." - Brian Landman, Tampa Bay Times

Wolf6151
10-07-2009, 12:36 AM
I think we'll have to go CB in the first round. I think that our draft strategy next year is very dependent on whether or not Dunta returns and on his performance on the field this year. From what I've seen so far I say we put the transition tag on him, thus lowering his salary and making him easier to trade, then trade him hopefully for a 2nd round pick. He hasn't performed great this year so trading him and making all parties happy would be best. Next years draft is very short in top level talent at CB so if we're going to replace Dunta we'd better do it in the 1st round with Trevard Lindley or Joe Haden. There's no one currently on the Texans roster that's ready to step up and be a #1 CB so we'll have to look to the draft. Also next year is a very deep year at S, thus it can wait til the 2nd or 3rd round. Also there should be more juniors declaring for the draft than normal making next years draft a very deep one hopefully. Who we pick at S also depends on what you want from your Safeties. A traditional in the box SS that primarily plays the run, delivers the big hit, but is a weakness in pass coverage (Taylor Mays), or a SS/FS tweener that primarily plays pass coverage but can tackle well and would be like a second FS roaming the deep secondary (Morgan Burnett). Personally I prefer the second option and really like Morgan Burnett. If we can trade Dunta for an extra 2nd round pick then we'll be set and able to fill CB, S, and OG in the first 2 rounds. I like steelbtexans idea and draft, though I might rather have Lindley in the 1st round and Mike Johnson in the 2nd round. Does anyone know if Rolle will be invited to next years combine or not, his performance their will greatly impact his draft position moreso than any other player. There's alot of if's and maybe's to work out between now and next years draft, but I look forward to it.

1. Trevard Lindley or Joe Haden-CB.
2. Mike Johnson-OG.
3. Myron Rolle-SS.

or

1. Trevard Lindley or Joe Haden-CB.
2. Morgan Burnett, Reshad Jones, Darrel Stuckey, or Major Wright-S.
3. Sergio Render, or Rodney Hudson-OG.

LonerATO
10-07-2009, 01:11 AM
I think we'll have to go CB in the first round. I think that our draft strategy next year is very dependent on whether or not Dunta returns and on his performance on the field this year. From what I've seen so far I say we put the transition tag on him, thus lowering his salary and making him easier to trade, then trade him hopefully for a 2nd round pick. He hasn't performed great this year so trading him and making all parties happy would be best. Next years draft is very short in top level talent at CB so if we're going to replace Dunta we'd better do it in the 1st round with Trevard Lindley or Joe Haden. There's no one currently on the Texans roster that's ready to step up and be a #1 CB so we'll have to look to the draft. Also next year is a very deep year at S, thus it can wait til the 2nd or 3rd round. Also there should be more juniors declaring for the draft than normal making next years draft a very deep one hopefully. Who we pick at S also depends on what you want from your Safeties. A traditional in the box SS that primarily plays the run, delivers the big hit, but is a weakness in pass coverage (Taylor Mays), or a SS/FS tweener that primarily plays pass coverage but can tackle well and would be like a second FS roaming the deep secondary (Morgan Burnett). Personally I prefer the second option and really like Morgan Burnett. If we can trade Dunta for an extra 2nd round pick then we'll be set and able to fill CB, S, and OG in the first 2 rounds. I like steelbtexans idea and draft, though I might rather have Lindley in the 1st round and Mike Johnson in the 2nd round. Does anyone know if Rolle will be invited to next years combine or not, his performance their will greatly impact his draft position moreso than any other player. There's alot of if's and maybe's to work out between now and next years draft, but I look forward to it.

1. Trevard Lindley or Joe Haden-CB.
2. Mike Johnson-OG.
3. Myron Rolle-SS.

or

1. Trevard Lindley or Joe Haden-CB.
2. Morgan Burnett, Reshad Jones, Darrel Stuckey, or Major Wright-S.
3. Sergio Render, or Rodney Hudson-OG.

I think the Texans can salvage some of this season and get over the hump, but that will mean that they could lose out on some of the top CB's. I still like Kyle Wilson and Patrick Robinson for CB's and Earl Thomas and Morgan Burnett. I just have trouble seeing what order the Texans need CB/Safety/DT. Haden is a beast and if for some reason the Texans tank I could handle Berry or Mays =p.

b0ng
10-09-2009, 09:43 PM
For some reason Mays just scares the hell out of me as an NFL prospect. In USC's scheme he is like a centerfielder. Play 20 yards deep and keep everything in front of you. He delivers teeth shattering hits, but his ball skills leave a lot to be desired. His size and speed are great but to me it just seems like Berry has all of the things going on in between the ears that you would want.

Unfortunately, Berry is probably going to shoot up draft boards and keep shooting up until he's well out of reach. All I can hope is that Mays runs a ridiculous sub 4.3 40 when he works out and Al Davis gets that itch.

playa465
10-10-2009, 01:03 AM
Barry Church is flying wayyy under the radar but I think he is gonna be a good one. Don't pay attn to Toledo's overall D, but this guy is very sound and should be available in the later rds of next year's draft

rmartin65
10-10-2009, 08:46 AM
Barry Church is flying wayyy under the radar but I think he is gonna be a good one. Don't pay attn to Toledo's overall D, but this guy is very sound and should be available in the later rds of next year's draft

I like Church, actually. I just dont have him as a top ten safety. Him and Lake (Baylor) are in the next 5.

bah007
10-11-2009, 11:15 AM
Statistical production so far:

Eric Berry -
Western Kentucky - 3 tackles, 1 pass defended
UCLA - 10 tackles, .5 TFL
at Florida - 11 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 INT
Ohio - 7 tackles, .5 TFL
Auburn - 14 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 pass defended
Georgia - 5 tackles, 2 passes defended, 1 fumble recovery

Morgan Burnett -
Jacksonville St - 5 tackles, .5 TFL, 1 pass defended, 1 INT
Clemson - 1 tackle
at Miami - 8 tackles
North Carolina - 6 tackles, 2 INTs
at Mississippi St - 7 tackles, 1 pass defended
at Florida St - 6 tackles

Taylor Mays -
San Jose St - 6 tackles
at Ohio St - 8 tackles
at Washington - DNP (injury)
Washington St - 4 tackles
at California - 10 tackles, 1 INT

Earl Thomas -
UL Monroe - 2 passes defended
at Wyoming - 2 tackles, 1 pass defended
Texas Tech - 8 tackles, 1 pass defended, 1 INT
UTEP - 2 INTs
Colorado - 4 tackles, 1 INT, 1 TD

bah007
10-11-2009, 11:17 AM
I'm pretty much driving the Earl Thomas bandwagon right now. Anybody ready to sit down next to me?

He is basically the same player that Eric Berry is minus the hit stick and tackling skills. Berry is the best guy out there, but if you want a true centerfielder Thomas is the next best guy.

He is only a redshirt sophomore so I doubt he enters the draft. But it's exciting to think how good he might be next year.

badboy
10-12-2009, 11:47 AM
I'm pretty much driving the Earl Thomas bandwagon right now. Anybody ready to sit down next to me?

He is basically the same player that Eric Berry is minus the hit stick and tackling skills. Berry is the best guy out there, but if you want a true centerfielder Thomas is the next best guy.

He is only a redshirt sophomore so I doubt he enters the draft. But it's exciting to think how good he might be next year.So you want to draft a safety that can't tackle? I admit I did a double take when I read that. Hope I am misinterpreting something.

bah007
10-12-2009, 01:18 PM
So you want to draft a safety that can't tackle? I admit I did a double take when I read that. Hope I am misinterpreting something.

No what I meant was that Berry has exceptional tackling skills. Thomas tackles very well, just not as good as Berry.

badboy
10-12-2009, 01:57 PM
Thanks for clarifying. I'm just very tired of the way we have handled safety position. I know we need CB and at least one RB and maybe two. Do you have any info on Jerome Murphy South Florida other than basics? good size and speed. I like him in 3rd but may be gone. My 2nd choice is Kyle Wilson FS from Boise 4.42 5'10" 186. Many think Boise will start dropping games soon, but so far Wilson seems solid.

bah007
10-12-2009, 02:03 PM
Thanks for clarifying. I'm just very tired of the way we have handled safety position. I know we need CB and at least one RB and maybe two. Do you have any info on Jerome Murphy South Florida other than basics? good size and speed. I like him in 3rd but may be gone. My 2nd choice is Kyle Wilson FS from Boise 4.42 5'10" 186. Many think Boise will start dropping games soon, but so far Wilson seems solid.

I am a huge Kyle Wilson fan.

I don't know anything about Murphy other than that he is a three year starter. I'll have to read up on him.

LonerATO
10-12-2009, 02:14 PM
I am a huge Kyle Wilson fan.

I don't know anything about Murphy other than that he is a three year starter. I'll have to read up on him.

Wilson is used more as a CB at Boise State and I think the Texans could get Earl Thomas in the 2nd round and go DT in the first. I love Kyle Wilson and been high on him for awhile now, but the problem is the Texans have too many needs and GQ is looking good with Reeves.

kastofsna
10-16-2009, 01:34 PM
has anyone mentioned that Berry has played every single down since arriving at Tennessee and has never been penalized?

hmm.

Jackie Chiles
10-20-2009, 04:11 PM
I'm pretty much driving the Earl Thomas bandwagon right now. Anybody ready to sit down next to me?

He is basically the same player that Eric Berry is minus the hit stick and tackling skills. Berry is the best guy out there, but if you want a true centerfielder Thomas is the next best guy.

He is only a redshirt sophomore so I doubt he enters the draft. But it's exciting to think how good he might be next year.

If he did enter the draft where does he get selected? I haven't watched him much this year but I did see him a bit against OU and one play in particular he made such a sudden break on a ball it made the receiver he was covering look like he was stuck in quick sand. The stats are also eye-popping.

TheRealJoker
10-20-2009, 04:53 PM
I haven't read this thread but i'm a big fan of the Hawkeyes' ballhawk Tyler Sash. 6'1" 210 and an absolute ballhawk in the secondary. He's a redshirt sophomore so he's eligible for the 2010 draft...

When do some of you draftnicks see him getting drafted if he came out this year?

bah007
10-20-2009, 07:44 PM
I haven't read this thread but i'm a big fan of the Hawkeyes' ballhawk Tyler Sash. 6'1" 210 and an absolute ballhawk in the secondary. He's a redshirt sophomore so he's eligible for the 2010 draft...

When do some of you draftnicks see him getting drafted if he came out this year?

Sash probably wouldn't have the combine numbers to make a big splash if he came out this year. Not that it should make a difference, but that's how it is.

He is a hell of a player. One of my favorites right now.

bah007
10-20-2009, 07:48 PM
If he did enter the draft where does he get selected? I haven't watched him much this year but I did see him a bit against OU and one play in particular he made such a sudden break on a ball it made the receiver he was covering look like he was stuck in quick sand. The stats are also eye-popping.

Thomas is probably a second round guy right now. Berry and Mays are the only guys that are sure to go in the first. Thomas and Burnett are borderline first/second probably.

bah007
10-20-2009, 07:50 PM
Statistical production so far:

Eric Berry -
Western Kentucky - 3 tackles, 1 pass defended
UCLA - 10 tackles, .5 TFL
at Florida - 11 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 INT
Ohio - 7 tackles, .5 TFL
Auburn - 14 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 pass defended
Georgia - 5 tackles, 2 passes defended, 1 fumble recovery

Morgan Burnett -
Jacksonville St - 5 tackles, .5 TFL, 1 pass defended, 1 INT
Clemson - 1 tackle
at Miami - 8 tackles
North Carolina - 6 tackles, 2 INTs
at Mississippi St - 7 tackles, 1 pass defended
at Florida St - 6 tackles
Virginia Tech - 4 tackles, 1 pass defended, 1 INT

Taylor Mays -
San Jose St - 6 tackles
at Ohio St - 8 tackles
at Washington - DNP (injury)
Washington St - 4 tackles
at California - 10 tackles, 1 INT
at Notre Dame - 10 tackles

Earl Thomas -
UL Monroe - 2 passes defended
at Wyoming - 2 tackles, 1 pass defended
Texas Tech - 8 tackles, 1 pass defended, 1 INT
UTEP - 2 INTs
Colorado - 4 tackles, 1 INT, 1 TD
vs Oklahoma - 7 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 FF, 1 pass defended, 1 INT

MojoMan
10-20-2009, 07:51 PM
I'm pretty much driving the Earl Thomas bandwagon right now. Anybody ready to sit down next to me?

He is basically the same player that Eric Berry is minus the hit stick and tackling skills. Berry is the best guy out there, but if you want a true centerfielder Thomas is the next best guy.

He is only a redshirt sophomore so I doubt he enters the draft. But it's exciting to think how good he might be next year.

I am with you. Thomas would not be a first round pick if he comes out, probably more like the third round. If the Texans could get Earl Thomas in the third, that would be a fantastic pickup.

badboy
10-21-2009, 09:20 AM
I think the Texans can salvage some of this season and get over the hump, but that will mean that they could lose out on some of the top CB's. I still like Kyle Wilson and Patrick Robinson for CB's and Earl Thomas and Morgan Burnett. I just have trouble seeing what order the Texans need CB/Safety/DT. Haden is a beast and if for some reason the Texans tank I could handle Berry or Mays =p.I have Kyle Wilson as my back up at round 3 behind Jerome Murphy of S. FLorida. Either should be a good pick. Both have good size and speed.

badboy
10-21-2009, 09:24 AM
Wilson is used more as a CB at Boise State and I think the Texans could get Earl Thomas in the 2nd round and go DT in the first. I love Kyle Wilson and been high on him for awhile now, but the problem is the Texans have too many needs and GQ is looking good with Reeves.We need to get a power back no later than round 2. Their are only two so far that interest me. CB can be addressed in 3rd as very deep pool. If Texans sign or franchise DR and Quinn continues his growth, we might not need to draft a CB until very late if at all.

badboy
10-21-2009, 09:50 AM
I haven't read this thread but i'm a big fan of the Hawkeyes' ballhawk Tyler Sash. 6'1" 210 and an absolute ballhawk in the secondary. He's a redshirt sophomore so he's eligible for the 2010 draft...

When do some of you draftnicks see him getting drafted if he came out this year?He is not ranked in top ten by NFLDRAFTSCOUT.com and probably needs to continue his heroics. It would help if Iowa could go undefeated and get him some exposure. Could not find his 40 speed but he seems to be all over the field. I'd guess late day two pick as safety is very deep this year.

TexansSeminole
10-21-2009, 11:17 AM
We need to get a power back no later than round 2. Their are only two so far that interest me. CB can be addressed in 3rd as very deep pool. If Texans sign or franchise DR and Quinn continues his growth, we might not need to draft a CB until very late if at all.

We have drafted enough late round type of corners. If we draft a corner it needs to be a guy who can start almost immediately. So, 1st or 2nd round. If we get rid of DRob, which I think is possible as he is the worst player that's asking to get paid a lot on this team (worse than OD and Meco), than we need to do something about corner. I don't really see Reeves as a #1 corner. It's not a knock on him, I actually like Reeves, but I am not real comfortable sticking him on the Reggie Wayne's of the league. So if we drop DRob, we might need to go corner 1st round or do something significant in free agency.

Bah, I like Thomas a lot. Saw him play 3 times this year and he has great footwork when the ball is in the air. Right now my favorite realistic safeties are Burnett as a SS and Thomas as a FS.

badboy
10-21-2009, 12:00 PM
We have drafted enough late round type of corners. If we draft a corner it needs to be a guy who can start almost immediately. So, 1st or 2nd round. If we get rid of DRob, which I think is possible as he is the worst player that's asking to get paid a lot on this team (worse than OD and Meco), than we need to do something about corner. I don't really see Reeves as a #1 corner. It's not a knock on him, I actually like Reeves, but I am not real comfortable sticking him on the Reggie Wayne's of the league. So if we drop DRob, we might need to go corner 1st round or do something significant in free agency.

Bah, I like Thomas a lot. Saw him play 3 times this year and he has great footwork when the ball is in the air. Right now my favorite realistic safeties are Burnett as a SS and Thomas as a FS.Understand your position but disagree on CB. Quinn is a good example as a 4th rounder who may be a starter next year. If DR was not $10million he might beat DR out during this season. Also, I am concerned the the prime CBs will be gone by the time we select in 1st anyway. Reeves has been playing very well so far and I'm ok with him. If we can get a prime CB in first where we end up selecting and still in get a PWR back in 2nd and a FS in 3rd, I'll be happy.

Wolf6151
10-21-2009, 12:36 PM
We need to get a power back no later than round 2. Their are only two so far that interest me. CB can be addressed in 3rd as very deep pool. If Texans sign or franchise DR and Quinn continues his growth, we might not need to draft a CB until very late if at all.

I disagree power RB is not a high priority and they can be had in the later rounds. I don't understand using a high draft pick on a guy that will only get the ball maybe 5-10 times per game and only gain 20 yds. per game. Next years draft position is all dependent on whether or not Dunta returns next year. Right about now I'm guessing Dunta is wishing he had signed that 23 mil. offer that he turned down cause he's sure not playing like a top 5 CB in the NFL. At the end of the season I think we should lower the offer to him, he'll probably be insulted and refuse, and we can either let him walk or put a transition tag on him significantly reducing his salary and then either keep or trade him. The lower salary would make him much easier to trade and get something in return, hopefully a 2nd round pick. If Dunta stays we can pick a FS in the 1st round and if he goes we can pick CB in the 1st round, hopefully Joe Haden, and then FS in the 2nd round. I also think we should address DT in FA and not the draft, our history of picking DT's in the draft sucks.

In the 2nd round I'd look for Nate Allen, Darrel Stuckey, Myron Lewis, Major Wright, or possibly Morgan Burnett or Reshad Jones but doubtful, they'll probably be gone.

TexansSeminole
10-21-2009, 01:06 PM
Understand your position but disagree on CB. Quinn is a good example as a 4th rounder who may be a starter next year. If DR was not $10million he might beat DR out during this season. Also, I am concerned the the prime CBs will be gone by the time we select in 1st anyway. Reeves has been playing very well so far and I'm ok with him. If we can get a prime CB in first where we end up selecting and still in get a PWR back in 2nd and a FS in 3rd, I'll be happy.

Quin was a 3rd rounder.

Without DRob, we have Reeves, Quin, Bennett, McCain, and Molden.

I don't feel real comfortable with that lineup in the AFC.

Anyway, I don't want to derail this thread. We should have a 2010 cornerbacks thread.

MojoMan
10-21-2009, 01:12 PM
Quin was a 3rd rounder.

Without DRob, we have Reeves, Quin, Bennett, McCain, and Molden.

I don't feel real comfortable with that lineup in the AFC.

Anyway, I don't want to derail this thread. We should have a 2010 cornerbacks thread.

Caldwell was 3rd
Quinn was 4th

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/2009DraftCentral.asp

badboy
10-21-2009, 01:23 PM
I disagree power RB is not a high priority and they can be had in the later rounds. I don't understand using a high draft pick on a guy that will only get the ball maybe 5-10 times per game and only gain 20 yds. per game. Next years draft position is all dependent on whether or not Dunta returns next year. Right about now I'm guessing Dunta is wishing he had signed that 23 mil. offer that he turned down cause he's sure not playing like a top 5 CB in the NFL. At the end of the season I think we should lower the offer to him, he'll probably be insulted and refuse, and we can either let him walk or put a transition tag on him significantly reducing his salary and then either keep or trade him. The lower salary would make him much easier to trade and get something in return, hopefully a 2nd round pick. If Dunta stays we can pick a FS in the 1st round and if he goes we can pick CB in the 1st round, hopefully Joe Haden, and then FS in the 2nd round. I also think we should address DT in FA and not the draft, our history of picking DT's in the draft sucks.

As corner is a prime position, Haden may be gone by the time we draft as my first round choice Taylor Mays FS may be also. I think if you look at "dire need" position + what is available in later rounds, CB is much deeper than a power back in rounds 3 & later.

In the 2nd round I'd look for Nate Allen, Darrel Stuckey, Myron Lewis, Major Wright, or possibly Morgan Burnett or Reshad Jones but doubtful, they'll probably be gone.Let me respectfully tell you how your thinking is messed up.:tiphat: Slaton was not drafted to get the high # of carries as he did 08 or now. Kubes wanted a power back to get 20+ plays to move the chain, get a 1st when it was 3rd and short. The power back was also to be used for inside the Red Zone to increase scoring. Our FA atttempts from Ron Dayne thru our current flop Brown has failed miserably. You don't want a half back like Steve to be pounded out of a career. It is now obvious that the Denver philosphy of taking any old RB and he will get 1,000 yards on the ground ain't working. So your POV that a power guy will only get 5- 10 plays is not correct. That may be all Brown is getting because that is all he CAN get. He is not a chain mover, that 4.0+ guy you want to move the ball and keep your defense off the field. This is why Kubes keeps insisting on "running the ball" even though we can not. I agree with you somewhat on DR but if Quinn keeps improving he may be a starter @ CB. I am hoping we can get something for Dunta but think he will probably be gone. The scenario I see happening is we have a great year, DR does not get the offer he thinks he is worth as FA and comes to Smith saying make me a reasonable deal. Whether we sign him or not is disputable. If he is light out remainder of season he could get tagged again for $13-14 million.

DT, you are probably correct about FA but if Kubes stick with the lighter guys and they seem to be working, you can forget a meaningful acquisition in FA or draft.

TexansSeminole
10-21-2009, 01:38 PM
Caldwell was 3rd
Quinn was 4th

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/2009DraftCentral.asp

Oh that's right, my mistake. I forgot we had 2 4th rounders not 2 3rd rounders. I thought Quin was one of the 3rd rounders but he was one of the 4th rounders.

badboy
10-21-2009, 01:43 PM
Quin was a 3rd rounder.

Without DRob, we have Reeves, Quin, Bennett, McCain, and Molden.

I don't feel real comfortable with that lineup in the AFC.

Anyway, I don't want to derail this thread. We should have a 2010 cornerbacks thread.
Start a thread. I'll follow. Quinn as a 4th rounder that quite possibly could beat out DROB is my whole point. There are many CB available in later rounds but NOT power backs. If Dunta keeps improving he will be on roster next season. So you will have the same guys at top 3.

otisbean
10-21-2009, 03:38 PM
Let me respectfully tell you how your thinking is messed up.:tiphat: Slaton was not drafted to get the high # of carries as he did 08 or now. Kubes wanted a power back to get 20+ plays to move the chain, get a 1st when it was 3rd and short. The power back was also to be used for inside the Red Zone to increase scoring. Our FA atttempts from Ron Dayne thru our current flop Brown has failed miserably. You don't want a half back like Steve to be pounded out of a career. It is now obvious that the Denver philosphy of taking any old RB and he will get 1,000 yards on the ground ain't working. So your POV that a power guy will only get 5- 10 plays is not correct. That may be all Brown is getting because that is all he CAN get. He is not a chain mover, that 4.0+ guy you want to move the ball and keep your defense off the field. This is why Kubes keeps insisting on "running the ball" even though we can not. I agree with you somewhat on DR but if Quinn keeps improving he may be a starter @ CB. I am hoping we can get something for Dunta but think he will probably be gone. The scenario I see happening is we have a great year, DR does not get the offer he thinks he is worth as FA and comes to Smith saying make me a reasonable deal. Whether we sign him or not is disputable. If he is light out remainder of season he could get tagged again for $13-14 million.

DT, you are probably correct about FA but if Kubes stick with the lighter guys and they seem to be working, you can forget a meaningful acquisition in FA or draft.

You can get great RBs late:

Gore 3rd
Jacobs and Barber 4th
Terrel Davis 6th
Michael Bush 4th
LeRon McClain 4th
Ryan Grant UDFA
Derrick Ward 7th

I would be happy pairning any of these guys with Slaton

Our problem with the running game lies squarely on the OL. Our interior OL has to improve for us to consistently run the ball better.

Our OL, DL and secondary need the most help, and I would certainly look to add another RB. IF we draft a stud early great, but if not there are plenty of diamonds in the rough that can be found later in the draft.

badboy
10-21-2009, 03:59 PM
You can get great RBs late:

Gore 3rd
Jacobs and Barber 4th
Terrel Davis 6th
Michael Bush 4th
LeRon McClain 4th
Ryan Grant UDFA
Derrick Ward 7th

I would be happy pairning any of these guys with Slaton

Our problem with the running game lies squarely on the OL. Our interior OL has to improve for us to consistently run the ball better.

Our OL, DL and secondary need the most help, and I would certainly look to add another RB. IF we draft a stud early great, but if not there are plenty of diamonds in the rough that can be found later in the draft.Correction, other teams can get RB late.

Wolf6151
10-21-2009, 04:58 PM
Let me respectfully tell you how your thinking is messed up.:tiphat: Slaton was not drafted to get the high # of carries as he did 08 or now. Kubes wanted a power back to get 20+ plays to move the chain, get a 1st when it was 3rd and short. The power back was also to be used for inside the Red Zone to increase scoring. Our FA atttempts from Ron Dayne thru our current flop Brown has failed miserably. You don't want a half back like Steve to be pounded out of a career. It is now obvious that the Denver philosphy of taking any old RB and he will get 1,000 yards on the ground ain't working. So your POV that a power guy will only get 5- 10 plays is not correct. That may be all Brown is getting because that is all he CAN get. He is not a chain mover, that 4.0+ guy you want to move the ball and keep your defense off the field. This is why Kubes keeps insisting on "running the ball" even though we can not. I agree with you somewhat on DR but if Quinn keeps improving he may be a starter @ CB. I am hoping we can get something for Dunta but think he will probably be gone. The scenario I see happening is we have a great year, DR does not get the offer he thinks he is worth as FA and comes to Smith saying make me a reasonable deal. Whether we sign him or not is disputable. If he is light out remainder of season he could get tagged again for $13-14 million.

DT, you are probably correct about FA but if Kubes stick with the lighter guys and they seem to be working, you can forget a meaningful acquisition in FA or draft.


Well we'll just have to agree to disagree. I don't think you have to be a power runner to be an effective RB. Barry Sanders, Emmitt Smith, Darren Sproles, Gayle Sayers, Walter Payton, Chris Johnson, etc... all effective runners without being power RB's. Maybe we just have different definitions of power RB.

I have my doubts about Quin ever being a good #1 CB, he would need several more years of improvement before he could be considered a #1 starter. Fred Bennett looked good his rookie year as well and 2 yrs. later most folks would like to see him gone. If Dunta stays we can address FS in the 1st round, hopefully Morgan Burnett, because I think Berry and Mays will both be gone. If Dunta leaves then we'll have to address CB in the 1st round, hopefully Joe Haden, no way we can rely on a 4th round pick to advance to being a #1 starter in 1 yr..

I agree with a previous post that our running game problems are the result of a poor O-line. Our O-line is small and their run/power blocking sucks. When I watch the games there just aren't any holes for Slaton to run through. I also think that the ZBS is partially to blame. Other teams have got the cutback running style figured out and have disciplined LB's that fill the holes for the cutback.

steelbtexan
10-21-2009, 08:10 PM
Remember if they let Dunta walk the Texans will probably get a 3rd supplemental pick.

This should allow Smithiak to fill 4-5 positions of need.

In this draft a supp. 3rd is very valuable. It's a deep draft.

I just hope Smithiak doesn't waste a high pick on a developmental pick like Okoye.

Wolf6151
10-21-2009, 11:13 PM
Remember if they let Dunta walk the Texans will probably get a 3rd supplemental pick.

This should allow Smithiak to fill 4-5 positions of need.

In this draft a supp. 3rd is very valuable. It's a deep draft.

I just hope Smithiak doesn't waste a high pick on a developmental pick like Okoye.


Good point, I never thought of the supplemental pick if we lose Dunta. You know Smithiak will pick a developmental player somewhere and waste an early pick, they do it every year.

You know one of Kubiaks son's plays Safety for Colorado St. Univ. and he's a senior this year, we might take him high in the draft as a developmental player. Scary thought huh?

SAMURAITEXAN
10-22-2009, 01:13 AM
Do yall think Berry goes top 5? I saw his plays through internet and boy I really like him.

Can we trade up and get him? Highly doubt will happen but, what we need to give up to draft player like Berry?

Go Texans!!!

bah007
10-22-2009, 02:52 AM
Do yall think Berry go top 5? I saw his plays through internet and boy I really like him.

Can we trade up and get him? Highly doubt will happen but, what we need to give up to draft player like Berry?

Go Texans!!!

I think there is a very high probability that Berry goes in the top five. If I had the #1 pick I would have no problem taking him there.

Safeties don't normally go that high in the first round but Berry is not a normal player.

SAMURAITEXAN
10-22-2009, 05:25 AM
I think there is a very high probability that Berry goes in the top five. If I had the #1 pick I would have no problem taking him there.

Safeties don't normally go that high in the first round but Berry is not a normal player.

Let's say we ended up between twenty to twenty fifth pick, what would be the cost for us? I know it is too early and it is depend upon trading partner but, I am just curious to know the cost of trading up that high. Pro bowl caliber + 1rd pick or 2 1st rd pick like 2010 and 2011? Just let me know your thoughts.

Go Texans!!!

kastofsna
10-22-2009, 08:58 AM
if you have a top 5 pick and have to choose between Berry and Suh, i can't think of a better place to be.

what i'm saying is you guys should tank the season. yes, it's early, but still.

badboy
10-22-2009, 12:11 PM
Good point, I never thought of the supplemental pick if we lose Dunta. You know Smithiak will pick a developmental player somewhere and waste an early pick, they do it every year.

You know one of Kubiaks son's plays Safety for Colorado St. Univ. and he's a senior this year, we might take him high in the draft as a developmental player. Scary thought huh?Rumor is Mike Shannahan will hire Kube's kid as a WR coach for the Cowboys as soon as he graduates.:smiliedance:

playa465
10-22-2009, 06:04 PM
Good point, I never thought of the supplemental pick if we lose Dunta.

These picks are known as compensatory picks not supplemental picks. Back on thread, I am still riding the Barry Church train. Good size, decent speed and can hit. He is still flying under the radar and if he can be had in later rds it will allow us to address O-Line, CB, RB or whatever earlier.

bah007
11-05-2009, 03:24 PM
Statistical production so far:

Eric Berry -
Western Kentucky - 3 tackles, 1 pass defended
UCLA - 10 tackles, .5 TFL
at Florida - 11 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 INT
Ohio - 7 tackles, .5 TFL
Auburn - 14 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 pass defended
Georgia - 5 tackles, 2 passes defended, 1 fumble recovery
at Alabama - 5 tackles, .5 TFL, 2 passes defended, 1 forced fumble
South Carolina - 2 tackles

Morgan Burnett -
Jacksonville St - 5 tackles, .5 TFL, 1 pass defended, 1 INT
Clemson - 1 tackle
at Miami - 8 tackles
North Carolina - 6 tackles, 2 INTs
at Mississippi St - 7 tackles, 1 pass defended
at Florida St - 6 tackles
Virginia Tech - 4 tackles, 1 pass defended, 1 INT
at Virginia - 2 tackles, 1 pass defended
at Vanderbilt - 5 tackles

Taylor Mays -
San Jose St - 6 tackles
at Ohio St - 8 tackles
at Washington - DNP (injury)
Washington St - 4 tackles
at California - 10 tackles, 1 INT
at Notre Dame - 10 tackles
Oregon St - 11 tackles
at Oregon - 8 tackles

Earl Thomas -
UL Monroe - 2 passes defended
at Wyoming - 2 tackles, 1 pass defended
Texas Tech - 8 tackles, 1 pass defended, 1 INT
UTEP - 2 INTs
Colorado - 4 tackles, 1 INT, 1 TD
vs Oklahoma - 7 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 FF, 1 pass defended, 1 INT
at Missouri - 6 tackles
at Oklahoma St - 2 tackles, 2 passes defended, 1 INT, 1 TD

badboy
11-05-2009, 04:06 PM
Statistical production so far:

Eric Berry -
Western Kentucky - 3 tackles, 1 pass defended
UCLA - 10 tackles, .5 TFL
at Florida - 11 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 INT
Ohio - 7 tackles, .5 TFL
Auburn - 14 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 pass defended
Georgia - 5 tackles, 2 passes defended, 1 fumble recovery
at Alabama - 5 tackles, .5 TFL, 2 passes defended, 1 forced fumble
South Carolina - 2 tackles

Morgan Burnett -
Jacksonville St - 5 tackles, .5 TFL, 1 pass defended, 1 INT
Clemson - 1 tackle
at Miami - 8 tackles
North Carolina - 6 tackles, 2 INTs
at Mississippi St - 7 tackles, 1 pass defended
at Florida St - 6 tackles
Virginia Tech - 4 tackles, 1 pass defended, 1 INT
at Virginia - 2 tackles, 1 pass defended
at Vanderbilt - 5 tackles

Taylor Mays -
San Jose St - 6 tackles
at Ohio St - 8 tackles
at Washington - DNP (injury)
Washington St - 4 tackles
at California - 10 tackles, 1 INT
at Notre Dame - 10 tackles
Oregon St - 11 tackles
at Oregon - 8 tackles

Earl Thomas -
UL Monroe - 2 passes defended
at Wyoming - 2 tackles, 1 pass defended
Texas Tech - 8 tackles, 1 pass defended, 1 INT
UTEP - 2 INTs
Colorado - 4 tackles, 1 INT, 1 TD
vs Oklahoma - 7 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 FF, 1 pass defended, 1 INT
at Missouri - 6 tackles
at Oklahoma St - 2 tackles, 2 passes defended, 1 INT, 1 TDWalters has Texans getting Thomas # 20. As a red shirt soph. I have yet to see much of him though I try to watch every game. Your eval? I would expect him to stay in school based on Brown's history but if the kid can get a first round rating from NFl, he should come out.

Goatcheese
11-05-2009, 05:11 PM
Walters has Texans getting Thomas # 20. As a red shirt soph. I have yet to see much of him though I try to watch every game. Your eval? I would expect him to stay in school based on Brown's history but if the kid can get a first round rating from NFl, he should come out.

I think 20 might be a little high, but I do like him as a prospect. He reminds me a lot of Donte Whitner(BUF), but with better instincts and ball skills. I've only seen 4 games this year, but he is always around the ball, jumping routes, and generally being disruptive.

At 5'10 200 he's not going to wow anybody with his size, but he has the strength and athletic ability to play SS, FS and CB effectively.

A Texas fan can probably give you more in depth info on his overall gameplay.

TheRealJoker
11-05-2009, 05:28 PM
I think Tyler Sash would be the perfect ballhawk for this team :)

If you draftnicks are correct we could get him around the 3rd-4th round and use the early picks somewhere else, perhaps on a franchise RB, DT, or stud interior OL?

TexansSeminole
11-05-2009, 09:27 PM
I think 20 might be a little high, but I do like him as a prospect. He reminds me a lot of Donte Whitner(BUF), but with better instincts and ball skills. I've only seen 4 games this year, but he is always around the ball, jumping routes, and generally being disruptive.

At 5'10 200 he's not going to wow anybody with his size, but he has the strength and athletic ability to play SS, FS and CB effectively.

A Texas fan can probably give you more in depth info on his overall gameplay.

Yea, I'm not going to act like I've seen the guy play throughout his whole career, but what I have seen this year is great footwork.

When the ball is in the air he really gets into good position to make a play.

I either haven't seen him enough or can't remember what I have seen to grade him against the run.

Goatcheese
11-05-2009, 11:41 PM
Yea, I'm not going to act like I've seen the guy play throughout his whole career, but what I have seen this year is great footwork.

When the ball is in the air he really gets into good position to make a play.

I either haven't seen him enough or can't remember what I have seen to grade him against the run.

From the little I've seen he's not really asked to defend the run in Texas' defensive scheme, but when he does come up and support he seems to be fairly effective, but not a force like Berry.

TexansSeminole
11-13-2009, 01:28 AM
Statistical production so far:

Eric Berry -
Western Kentucky - 3 tackles, 1 pass defended
UCLA - 10 tackles, .5 TFL
at Florida - 11 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 INT
Ohio - 7 tackles, .5 TFL
Auburn - 14 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 pass defended
Georgia - 5 tackles, 2 passes defended, 1 fumble recovery
at Alabama - 5 tackles, .5 TFL, 2 passes defended, 1 forced fumble
South Carolina - 2 tackles

Morgan Burnett -
Jacksonville St - 5 tackles, .5 TFL, 1 pass defended, 1 INT
Clemson - 1 tackle
at Miami - 8 tackles
North Carolina - 6 tackles, 2 INTs
at Mississippi St - 7 tackles, 1 pass defended
at Florida St - 6 tackles
Virginia Tech - 4 tackles, 1 pass defended, 1 INT
at Virginia - 2 tackles, 1 pass defended
at Vanderbilt - 5 tackles

Taylor Mays -
San Jose St - 6 tackles
at Ohio St - 8 tackles
at Washington - DNP (injury)
Washington St - 4 tackles
at California - 10 tackles, 1 INT
at Notre Dame - 10 tackles
Oregon St - 11 tackles
at Oregon - 8 tackles

Earl Thomas -
UL Monroe - 2 passes defended
at Wyoming - 2 tackles, 1 pass defended
Texas Tech - 8 tackles, 1 pass defended, 1 INT
UTEP - 2 INTs
Colorado - 4 tackles, 1 INT, 1 TD
vs Oklahoma - 7 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 FF, 1 pass defended, 1 INT
at Missouri - 6 tackles
at Oklahoma St - 2 tackles, 2 passes defended, 1 INT, 1 TD

I couldn't find info on Berry but this is what I have from the past week on the rest of the guys.

Morgan Burnett had 9 tackles, .5 for loss vs Wake Forest.

Earl Thomas had 5 tackles vs UCF.

Mays had 5 tackles vs Arizona State.

Goatcheese
11-13-2009, 02:54 AM
I couldn't find info on Berry but this is what I have from the past week on the rest of the guys.

Morgan Burnett had 9 tackles, .5 for loss vs Wake Forest.

Earl Thomas had 5 tackles vs UCF.

Mays had 5 tackles vs Arizona State.

Berry had 1 int, 1 fumble recover, 3 solo tackles, and assists against Memphis.

Earl Thomas (http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/playerDetail.jsp?yr=2009&org=703&player=1D)

Eric Berry (http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/playerDetail.jsp?yr=2009&org=694&player=14)

Taylor Mays (http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/playerDetail.jsp?yr=2009&org=657&player=2)

Morgan Burnett (http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/playerDetail.jsp?yr=2009&org=255&player=1)

badboy
11-13-2009, 12:58 PM
Texns go 12-4 and are unable to draft any of these guys. heh, heh.

bah007
11-15-2009, 02:48 PM
Statistical production so far:

Eric Berry -
Western Kentucky - 3 tackles, 1 pass defended
UCLA - 10 tackles, .5 TFL
at Florida - 11 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 INT
Ohio - 7 tackles, .5 TFL
Auburn - 14 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 pass defended
Georgia - 5 tackles, 2 passes defended, 1 fumble recovery
at Alabama - 5 tackles, .5 TFL, 2 passes defended, 1 forced fumble
South Carolina - 2 tackles
Memphis - 5 tackles, 1 INT, 1 fumble recovered
at Mississippi - 8 tackles

Morgan Burnett -
Jacksonville St - 5 tackles, .5 TFL, 1 pass defended, 1 INT
Clemson - 1 tackle
at Miami - 8 tackles
North Carolina - 6 tackles, 2 INTs
at Mississippi St - 7 tackles, 1 pass defended
at Florida St - 6 tackles
Virginia Tech - 4 tackles, 1 pass defended, 1 INT
at Virginia - 2 tackles, 1 pass defended
at Vanderbilt - 5 tackles
Wake Forest - 9 tackles, .5 TFL
at Duke - 4 tackles, 1 blocked kick

Taylor Mays -
San Jose St - 6 tackles
at Ohio St - 8 tackles
at Washington - DNP (injury)
Washington St - 4 tackles
at California - 10 tackles, 1 INT
at Notre Dame - 10 tackles
Oregon St - 11 tackles
at Oregon - 8 tackles
at Arizona St - 5 tackles
Stanford - 11 tackles, 1 pass defended

Earl Thomas -
UL Monroe - 2 passes defended
at Wyoming - 2 tackles, 1 pass defended
Texas Tech - 8 tackles, 1 pass defended, 1 INT
UTEP - 2 INTs
Colorado - 4 tackles, 1 INT, 1 TD
vs Oklahoma - 7 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 FF, 1 pass defended, 1 INT
at Missouri - 6 tackles
at Oklahoma St - 2 tackles, 2 passes defended, 1 INT, 1 TD
UCF - 5 tackles
at Baylor - 5 tackles, .5 TFL

Goatcheese
11-15-2009, 11:02 PM
Texns go 12-4 and are unable to draft any of these guys. heh, heh.

You don't think we will rest our starters against NE? :gamer:

bah007
11-22-2009, 04:42 PM
Statistical production so far:

Eric Berry -
Western Kentucky - 3 tackles, 1 pass defended
UCLA - 10 tackles, .5 TFL
at Florida - 11 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 INT
Ohio - 7 tackles, .5 TFL
Auburn - 14 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 pass defended
Georgia - 5 tackles, 2 passes defended, 1 fumble recovery
at Alabama - 5 tackles, .5 TFL, 2 passes defended, 1 forced fumble
South Carolina - 2 tackles
Memphis - 5 tackles, 1 INT, 1 fumble recovered
at Mississippi - 8 tackles
Vanderbilt - 5 tackles

Morgan Burnett -
Jacksonville St - 5 tackles, .5 TFL, 1 pass defended, 1 INT
Clemson - 1 tackle
at Miami - 8 tackles
North Carolina - 6 tackles, 2 INTs
at Mississippi St - 7 tackles, 1 pass defended
at Florida St - 6 tackles
Virginia Tech - 4 tackles, 1 pass defended, 1 INT
at Virginia - 2 tackles, 1 pass defended
at Vanderbilt - 5 tackles
Wake Forest - 9 tackles, .5 TFL
at Duke - 4 tackles, 1 blocked kick

Taylor Mays -
San Jose St - 6 tackles
at Ohio St - 8 tackles
at Washington - DNP (injury)
Washington St - 4 tackles
at California - 10 tackles, 1 INT
at Notre Dame - 10 tackles
Oregon St - 11 tackles
at Oregon - 8 tackles
at Arizona St - 5 tackles
Stanford - 11 tackles, 1 pass defended

Earl Thomas -
UL Monroe - 2 passes defended
at Wyoming - 2 tackles, 1 pass defended
Texas Tech - 8 tackles, 1 pass defended, 1 INT
UTEP - 2 INTs
Colorado - 4 tackles, 1 INT, 1 TD
vs Oklahoma - 7 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 FF, 1 pass defended, 1 INT
at Missouri - 6 tackles
at Oklahoma St - 2 tackles, 2 passes defended, 1 INT, 1 TD
UCF - 5 tackles
at Baylor - 5 tackles, .5 TFL
Kansas - 9 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 pass defended, 1 INT

YoungTexanFan
11-23-2009, 02:36 AM
Thomas had a good game against KU. He was good in run support and was quick to flow to the ball on the speed option. His interception was a gift. The WR literally fell down 4 yards before. I don't know if he's first round material, but he is definitely a player. I was impressed overall.

TexansSeminole
11-29-2009, 01:14 AM
Piggybacking off Bah.

Statistical production so far:

Eric Berry -
Western Kentucky - 3 tackles, 1 pass defended
UCLA - 10 tackles, .5 TFL
at Florida - 11 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 INT
Ohio - 7 tackles, .5 TFL
Auburn - 14 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 pass defended
Georgia - 5 tackles, 2 passes defended, 1 fumble recovery
at Alabama - 5 tackles, .5 TFL, 2 passes defended, 1 forced fumble
South Carolina - 2 tackles
Memphis - 5 tackles, 1 INT, 1 fumble recovered
at Mississippi - 8 tackles
Vanderbilt - 5 tackles
at Kentucky - 8 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 pass defended

Morgan Burnett -
Jacksonville St - 5 tackles, .5 TFL, 1 pass defended, 1 INT
Clemson - 1 tackle
at Miami - 8 tackles
North Carolina - 6 tackles, 2 INTs
at Mississippi St - 7 tackles, 1 pass defended
at Florida St - 6 tackles
Virginia Tech - 4 tackles, 1 pass defended, 1 INT
at Virginia - 2 tackles, 1 pass defended
at Vanderbilt - 5 tackles
Wake Forest - 9 tackles, .5 TFL
at Duke - 4 tackles, 1 blocked kick
Georgia - 16 tackles, .5 TFL

Taylor Mays -
San Jose St - 6 tackles
at Ohio St - 8 tackles
at Washington - DNP (injury)
Washington St - 4 tackles
at California - 10 tackles, 1 INT
at Notre Dame - 10 tackles
Oregon St - 11 tackles
at Oregon - 8 tackles
at Arizona St - 5 tackles
Stanford - 11 tackles, 1 pass defended
Game against UCLA stats weren't available yet

Earl Thomas -
UL Monroe - 2 passes defended
at Wyoming - 2 tackles, 1 pass defended
Texas Tech - 8 tackles, 1 pass defended, 1 INT
UTEP - 2 INTs
Colorado - 4 tackles, 1 INT, 1 TD
vs Oklahoma - 7 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 FF, 1 pass defended, 1 INT
at Missouri - 6 tackles
at Oklahoma St - 2 tackles, 2 passes defended, 1 INT, 1 TD
UCF - 5 tackles
at Baylor - 5 tackles, .5 TFL
Kansas - 9 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 pass defended, 1 INT
at Texas A&M - 9 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 pass defended, 1 INT

A guy I would like to add to this list is Junior DeAndre McDaniel from Clemson.

Stats for McDaniel on season:

12 games; 79 tackles, 3.5 TFL, 2 sacks, 8 INTs (1 TD), 10 passes defended.

bah007
12-06-2009, 11:35 PM
Statistical production so far:

Eric Berry -
Western Kentucky - 3 tackles, 1 pass defended
UCLA - 10 tackles, .5 TFL
at Florida - 11 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 INT
Ohio - 7 tackles, .5 TFL
Auburn - 14 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 pass defended
Georgia - 5 tackles, 2 passes defended, 1 fumble recovery
at Alabama - 5 tackles, .5 TFL, 2 passes defended, 1 forced fumble
South Carolina - 2 tackles
Memphis - 5 tackles, 1 INT, 1 fumble recovered
at Mississippi - 8 tackles
Vanderbilt - 5 tackles
at Kentucky - 8 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 pass defended

Morgan Burnett -
Jacksonville St - 5 tackles, .5 TFL, 1 pass defended, 1 INT
Clemson - 1 tackle
at Miami - 8 tackles
North Carolina - 6 tackles, 2 INTs
at Mississippi St - 7 tackles, 1 pass defended
at Florida St - 6 tackles
Virginia Tech - 4 tackles, 1 pass defended, 1 INT
at Virginia - 2 tackles, 1 pass defended
at Vanderbilt - 5 tackles
Wake Forest - 9 tackles, .5 TFL
at Duke - 4 tackles, 1 blocked kick
Georgia - 16 tackles, .5 TFL
vs Clemson - 4 tackles, 1 TFL

Taylor Mays -
San Jose St - 6 tackles
at Ohio St - 8 tackles
at Washington - DNP (injury)
Washington St - 4 tackles
at California - 10 tackles, 1 INT
at Notre Dame - 10 tackles
Oregon St - 11 tackles
at Oregon - 8 tackles
at Arizona St - 5 tackles
Stanford - 11 tackles, 1 pass defended
UCLA - 9 tackles
Arizona - 9 tackles, 2 passes defended

Earl Thomas -
UL Monroe - 2 passes defended
at Wyoming - 2 tackles, 1 pass defended
Texas Tech - 8 tackles, 1 pass defended, 1 INT
UTEP - 2 INTs
Colorado - 4 tackles, 1 INT, 1 TD
vs Oklahoma - 7 tackles, 2 TFL, 1 FF, 1 pass defended, 1 INT
at Missouri - 6 tackles
at Oklahoma St - 2 tackles, 2 passes defended, 1 INT, 1 TD
UCF - 5 tackles
at Baylor - 5 tackles, .5 TFL
Kansas - 9 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 pass defended, 1 INT
at Texas A&M - 9 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 INT
vs Nebraska - 2 tackles, 1 pass defended