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Vinny
08-24-2009, 05:52 PM
A year ago, the Giants felt pretty comfortable that if something happened to Eli Manning, David Carr would be able to step in and win a couple of games.

This year they may not be as sure.

Chris Palmer, the Giants quarterbacks coach, said today that hes not pleased with Carr this summer. Hes been inconsistent this summer and has gotten back into some of the bad habits that ruined the start of his NFL career when he was with the Houston Texans.

Im not pleased with David right now, Palmer said. I think hes got to be more consistent. Hes a quarterback. Hes got to prove that hes a winning quarterback. I think there are certain things he has to improve upon, and Ive told him that. He has the ability to play in this league. Hes a very, very talented player, but hes got to do things the way we want them done.

Some of that has to do with Carrs seeming inability to stay in the pocket when the pass rush gets through. Behind what has been a porous offensive line all summer long, Carr has seemed to scramble too often and sometimes too quickly. Palmer said hes a little anxious in the pocket, which is the reputation he carried with him from his five tumultuous years in Texas when he was sacked a ridiculous 249 times.

So far Carr is 8 for 16 for 82 yards and a touchdown in two preseason games, including an awful 2-for-6, 8-yard outing on Saturday night against the Bears. His regression has been surprising,

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/2009/08/palmer-not-pleased-with-stalle.html#ixzz0P8jD2MPt
lol, just shocking. :chickendance:

Double Barrel
08-24-2009, 05:54 PM
I actually caught some of that Giants game when Carr was playing, and dude still has "happy feet" in the pocket. He never seems to settle down to make his reads, and yep, he used the dump pass quite a bit.

TexanSam
08-24-2009, 05:55 PM
LOL. The Onion couldn't come up with a funnier article

Blazing Arrow
08-24-2009, 05:57 PM
Some of that has to do with Carrs seeming inability to stay in the pocket when the pass rush gets through. Behind what has been a porous offensive line all summer long, Carr has seemed to scramble too often and sometimes too quickly. Palmer said hes a little anxious in the pocket, which is the reputation he carried with him from his five tumultuous years in Texas when he was sacked a ridiculous 249 times.

He is having flashbacks of playing in Houston and thinks the second the line breaks down even in the slightest he better get out. If Manning goes down the NY crowd will eat Carr alive.

Texecutioner
08-24-2009, 05:57 PM
:hairpull::hairpull::hairpull::hairpull:

TEXANS84
08-24-2009, 06:20 PM
I actually caught some of that Giants game when Carr was playing, and dude still has "happy feet" in the pocket. He never seems to settle down to make his reads, and yep, he used the dump pass quite a bit.

Was he still wearing his "mittens"?

Vinny
08-24-2009, 06:33 PM
heh, even some of the comments under the article bring back memories. Anyone remember posts like this one?

CausallyDisconnected

August 24, 2009
1:59 PM

What kind of nonsense is this? Palmer should shut his mouth instead of throwing his player under the bus. This is an internal matter. If you want to say you want to work on some things with your QB, fine. There isn't exactly a crackling competition for the 2 spot, so playing mind games with him doesn't serve any productive purpose here. Carr has a few bad practices/pre games and Palmer isn't "pleased". Eli effectively disappears in the last 5-6 weeks of the '08 season, plays a miserable playoff game, and gets a huge contract extension and no one is "displeased"---despite his obvious troubles with both consistency and accuracy in the wind.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/2009/08/palmer-not-pleased-with-stalle.html#ixzz0P8tMb5UV

Double Barrel
08-24-2009, 06:54 PM
Was he still wearing his "mittens"?

y'know, I didn't even notice. I was too busy being hypnotized by those happy feet of his.

heh, even some of the comments under the article bring back memories. Anyone remember posts like this one?

This one made me laugh:

Carr is regressing? Ha! Eli regresses to a rookie level of play every year by midseason, and he's the highest paid player in the NFL right now! I wouldn't worry so much about a backup QB - sheesh! Yes, even as a Carr fan I've noticed he's a little more erratic than usual in his decision making lately. Such a shame with his strong passing arm, but he's our number two. Eli is our number one purely for his decision making and leadership which make up for his piss-poor passing arm. If our back-up isn't perfect when our starter isn't either, what's the big deal? Hopefully he doesn't take any snaps during the regular season other than to mop-up. If he's doing more than that, then we have bigger problems anyway. Another slow day at Camp I see... LOL! Sometimes no news is better than non-news...

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/2009/08/palmer-not-pleased-with-stalle.html

Blazing Arrow
08-24-2009, 06:59 PM
Yes, even as a Carr fan I've noticed he's a little more erratic than usual in his decision making lately. Such a shame with his strong passing arm, ...

:spit:

He has a cannon ... as long as the receiver is within 3 yards of the line of scrimmage. How can anyone knowingly say they are a Carr fan? What has he EVER done to earn fans?

CloakNNNdagger
08-24-2009, 07:36 PM
Some of that has to do with Carr’s seeming inability to stay in the pocket when the pass rush gets through. Behind what has been a porous offensive line all summer long, Carr has seemed to scramble too often and sometimes too quickly. Palmer said “he’s a little anxious in the pocket,” which is the reputation he carried with him from his five tumultuous years in Texas when he was sacked a ridiculous 249 times.

So far Carr is 8 for 16 for 82 yards and a touchdown in two preseason games, including an awful 2-for-6, 8-yard outing on Saturday night against the Bears. His regression has been surprising,



His regression is anything BUT surprising. For those of you that might have watched the game, if you squinted just right, you would have sworn that you were watching the OL of the Texans of old. They certainly borrow their "olay" technique, giving the QB's virtually no pass protection. Given familiar sequences, this brought back haunting childhood memories and reverted Carr to his reflex childhood responses. Sometimes one can never shake their childhood post-traumatic syndrome (in his case, 249 sacks). Carr most likely never be able to "grow up" to become a QB............a real NFL QB........under fire.

StarStruck
08-24-2009, 09:34 PM
heh, even some of the comments under the article bring back memories. Anyone remember posts like this one?

I have to give Hulk75 his props because through it all, he always has David's back.

Livid13
08-25-2009, 08:40 AM
lol, just shocking. :chickendance:

Let me preface this by stating ONCE AGAIN, I was against drafting Carr with the 1st pick. Having said that, can you blame the guy for being gun shy when the pocket collapses? I mean, it's a miracle he doesn't have a visual, nervous, tick !

Kaiser Toro
08-25-2009, 09:00 AM
Carr sucks and set this franchise back five years. The best thing about Carr is that the franchise knows what bad looks like. Our offensive line improved immensely when he was not in the line up.

Texan_Bill
08-25-2009, 09:06 AM
The title of this thread is funny as hell. :spit:

Runner
08-25-2009, 09:20 AM
Carr sucks and set this franchise back five years. The best thing about Carr is that the franchise knows what bad looks like. Our offensive line improved immensely when he was not in the line up.

Too bad other players had to pay the price by being sacrificed on the altar of David Carr while the coaches, front office, and ownership figured that out.

Vinny
08-25-2009, 10:05 AM
Let me preface this by stating ONCE AGAIN, I was against drafting Carr with the 1st pick. Having said that, can you blame the guy for being gun shy when the pocket collapses? I mean, it's a miracle he doesn't have a visual, nervous, tick !
Carr never had any pocket awareness and that is one key ingredient to being a NFL QB. He is Rob Johnson with better hair. Sure, they both would play better with better hair, I mean better O-lines, but they would both eventually sack themselves in critical situations. If the NFL network had a list of incredible self-sacking QB's with bangin' hair, David Carr and Rob Johnson would be one - two.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/.e1d/img/4.0/global/football/nfl/players/3182.jpghttp://images.usatoday.com/sports/_photos/2004-12-14-inside-carr.jpg

Interestingly, Palmer has a thing for incredible self-sacking QB's apparently. Yes, the 3rd guy on the right is Rob "I sacks myself" Johnson.

http://nbcsportsmedia1.msnbc.com/j/ap/710fe7bd-288c-4922-a8ff-cc52c6131088.widec.jpg

Texecutioner
08-25-2009, 10:40 AM
I really would love to see Carr get a shot to start this season for like two games in the middle of division race in like week 10 or something like that. :spit:

I just want to see how the NY media reacts to the play of David Carr. Sorry, but I just want to see the train wreck in NY. :gun:

Honoring Earl 34
08-25-2009, 10:51 AM
Carr never had any pocket awareness and that is one key ingredient to being a NFL QB. He is Rob Johnson with better hair. Sure, they both would play better with better hair, I mean better O-lines, but they would both eventually sack themselves in critical situations. If the NFL network had a list of incredible self-sacking QB's with bangin' hair, David Carr and Rob Johnson would be one - two.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/.e1d/img/4.0/global/football/nfl/players/3182.jpghttp://images.usatoday.com/sports/_photos/2004-12-14-inside-carr.jpg

Interestingly, Palmer has a thing for incredible self-sacking QB's apparently. Yes, the 3rd guy on the right is Rob "I sacks myself" Johnson.

http://nbcsportsmedia1.msnbc.com/j/ap/710fe7bd-288c-4922-a8ff-cc52c6131088.widec.jpg

They both had that California cool also .

HOU-TEX
08-25-2009, 11:15 AM
They should've never let go of the "Hefty Lefty". :snicker:

Ryan
08-25-2009, 11:22 AM
i watched 3 plays of that game, including one sack, and another pass which he got rid of way too quickly cause he thought he had guys in his face. Carr hasnt changed a bit.

Livid13
08-25-2009, 12:16 PM
YEAH and if Tony Boselli was healthy and pigs could fly......the guy's shot and I hear what you're saying Vinny. He blew chunks, BUT had HORRID protection, end of story. YES, he held onto the ball too long and YES he had no pocket presence, but my God, cut the guy some slack. It wasn't like he was Ryan Leaf......maybe!

GP
08-25-2009, 01:40 PM
YEAH and if Tony Boselli was healthy and pigs could fly......the guy's shot and I hear what you're saying Vinny. He blew chunks, BUT had HORRID protection, end of story. YES, he held onto the ball too long and YES he had no pocket presence, but my God, cut the guy some slack. It wasn't like he was Ryan Leaf......maybe!

?

Sometimes you can take an opposing stance on a topic, and sometimes you need to accept the idea that maybe the herd has it right.

This is a topic that only has one logical and factual conclusion: The guy stinks.

When you can't read a defense (pre-snap AND during the play itself) you are going to make any oline look bad. There's a reason he always dumps it to the RB or WR or TE who is near the oline: He can't see plays developing further down the field, and if he tries to...he loses awareness around him and gets clobbered because he took longer than the average NFL QB does.

Which leads to the dump-offs right off the bat, without even going through progressions. Or running out of bounds. Or taking a knee.

What oline is going to block for THAT? It's a waste of energy for those guys, and they see it as a no-win situation.

David Carr makes teams worse when he's in at QB.

It really is just that simple.

Texecutioner
08-25-2009, 01:43 PM
He is having flashbacks of playing in Houston and thinks the second the line breaks down even in the slightest he better get out. If Manning goes down the NY crowd will eat Carr alive.

The only thing he ever did to earn fans was cause attention to his hair. The women loved that thing with him. That's all he ever did, but it wasn't even football related.

TEXANRED
08-25-2009, 01:54 PM
Such a shame with his strong passing arm, but he's our number two.

Yes, yes he is a number two.

Texan4Ever
08-25-2009, 01:56 PM
Maybe I'm wrong but players who have played BAD for a few years continue to suck. What I mean is that, take for example David Carr, having played for a horrible Texans team before the Kubiak era, I think Carr is still nervous about getting sacked regardless of what team he plays for. Being beaten down and booed for so many years I think it has to do with mental confidence, which is why he struggles.

Alex Smith, another QB, went through many OC and now after sucking all these years he continues to do what he knows best...SUCK! :user:

drewmar74
08-25-2009, 02:02 PM
Yes, yes he is a number two.

lmao

HoustonFrog
08-25-2009, 02:18 PM
Maybe I'm wrong but players who have played BAD for a few years continue to suck. What I mean is that, take for example David Carr, having played for a horrible Texans team before the Kubiak era, I think Carr is still nervous about getting sacked regardless of what team he plays for. Being beaten down and booed for so many years I think it has to do with mental confidence, which is why he struggles.

Alex Smith, another QB, went through many OC and now after sucking all these years he continues to do what he knows best...SUCK! :user:

The problem I have with hearing he was beaten down and never recovered is that guys like Troy Aikman, Steve Young and others got the snot beat out of them for their first years...the 1-16 season was brutal for Troy and Young in TB. Yet they came around. To me he never had the NFL skills and the sitution made it that much more apparent.

JDizzle
08-25-2009, 02:23 PM
Carr most likely never be able to "grow up" to become a QB............a real NFL QB........under fire.

Does he even want to be? It's interesting how he picks teams where there's no glaring need for a starting QB. After Carolina nobody may have been interested in him as a starter but after we clipped him I would have a hard time believing there weren't 2-3 teams that were interested, yet he picked Carolina where there was no doubt who the starter was.

Hookem Horns
08-25-2009, 02:30 PM
?

Sometimes you can take an opposing stance on a topic, and sometimes you need to accept the idea that maybe the herd has it right.

This is a topic that only has one logical and factual conclusion: The guy stinks.

When you can't read a defense (pre-snap AND during the play itself) you are going to make any oline look bad. There's a reason he always dumps it to the RB or WR or TE who is near the oline: He can't see plays developing further down the field, and if he tries to...he loses awareness around him and gets clobbered because he took longer than the average NFL QB does.

Which leads to the dump-offs right off the bat, without even going through progressions. Or running out of bounds. Or taking a knee.

What oline is going to block for THAT? It's a waste of energy for those guys, and they see it as a no-win situation.

David Carr makes teams worse when he's in at QB.

It really is just that simple.

LOL and you were the biggest DC cheeleader while he was here.

Texan_Bill
08-25-2009, 02:33 PM
Maybe Palmer can get $4,500 in the Cash for Clunkers program... :thinking:

Texecutioner
08-25-2009, 02:40 PM
David Carr is a model, not a football player.

He should just seriously retire and try a career modeling somewhere or something. he could probably have a much better career at it, rather than football where he's probably getting paid league minimum now days.

Texan_Bill
08-25-2009, 02:46 PM
David Carr is a model, not a football player.

He should just seriously retire and try a career modeling somewhere or something. he could probably have a much better career at it, rather than football where he's probably getting paid league minimum now days.

I thought he had(??)

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ojcMX1uR-ks/RtvUdFNhTQI/AAAAAAAAA6M/OdL_MbyOH3k/s400/zoolander.jpg

infantrycak
08-25-2009, 02:53 PM
David Carr is a model, not a football player.

He should just seriously retire and try a career modeling somewhere or something. he could probably have a much better career at it, rather than football where he's probably getting paid league minimum now days.

Sadly he is not playing for league minimum. He is on a 1 year $2.1 mil contract.

HOU-TEX
08-25-2009, 02:56 PM
David Carr should be a starter in the NFL...............:jogger:

Texecutioner
08-25-2009, 03:02 PM
Sadly he is not playing for league minimum. He is on a 1 year $2.1 mil contract.

I don't know about you but I swear I've always looked at him and Harrington as brothers. Nice looking guys who came out the same year that both went to terrible teams and both played terrible and continue to wherever they go. It's been like they're both long lost brothers or something. If the Texans had never drafted Carr it would have been Harrington most likely.

They should start a business together instead of playing football. :turtle:

GP
08-25-2009, 03:39 PM
LOL and you were the biggest DC cheeleader while he was here.

I wanted to give him one more year (with Kubiak) just to see if it was the coaching, the line, Carr, etc.

Cheerleader isn't a very good descriptor. I did give him more chances than others did, but the last season (within the first few games) it was obvious to even someone as slow as me.

:ant: [/randomsmiley]

Hervoyel
08-25-2009, 03:42 PM
The only thing I want out of David Carr is this

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc272/Hervoyel/Carr-the-Titan.jpg

If David Carr ever gets the urge to try and make up for his suck career and the 5 years he set the Houston Texans back then this is what needs to take place.

Find a way to get to Possum Holler, unseat Kerry Collins (Vince won't be a problem, he's pretty much worse than Carr was at this point) and put a smile on my face when you get sacked for a change David!

Texan_Bill
08-25-2009, 03:52 PM
The only thing I want out of David Carr is this

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc272/Hervoyel/Carr-the-Titan.jpg

If David Carr ever gets the urge to try and make up for his suck career and the 5 years he set the Houston Texans back then this is what needs to take place.

Find a way to get to Possum Holler, unseat Kerry Collins (Vince won't be a problem, he's pretty much worse than Carr was at this point) and put a smile on my face when you get sacked for a change David!

:spit: Oh man Herv!!.... That was worthy of a snot rocket! Rep if I could.

Hervoyel
08-25-2009, 03:54 PM
The way I see it David Carr owes us for about half those unbelievable 249 sacks he supposedly took because everybody else on the team sucked. Hell he helped make Albert Haynesworth and Dwight Freeney legends in their own time. The least he could would be to help Mario Williams and Conner Barwin along.

Runner
08-25-2009, 03:56 PM
...take for example David Carr, having played for a horrible Texans team before the Kubiak era...

Take the massively sucky Carr away from Capers 7-9 team and replace him with last year's Schaub/Sage combo, and the Texans wouldn't still be looking for their first winning team. I don't think that team was horrible; I think it was average with a millstone at QB.

Texecutioner
08-25-2009, 03:58 PM
The only thing I want out of David Carr is this

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc272/Hervoyel/Carr-the-Titan.jpg

If David Carr ever gets the urge to try and make up for his suck career and the 5 years he set the Houston Texans back then this is what needs to take place.

Find a way to get to Possum Holler, unseat Kerry Collins (Vince won't be a problem, he's pretty much worse than Carr was at this point) and put a smile on my face when you get sacked for a change David!

This or the Cowboys!! :kingkong:

Hervoyel
08-25-2009, 04:03 PM
This or the Cowboys!! :kingkong:

Yeah but he'd never unseat Romo. He could always have Hulk75 slip Collins a case of Jack Daniels at the right moment and put him out of commission and like I said it's not like Vince is going to put up much of a fight. Tennessee would be the perfect storm if he could just find a way to trick Bud into thinking it would make Texans fans mad. He'd be on the field in no time.

Blazing Arrow
08-25-2009, 04:06 PM
The only thing I want out of David Carr is this

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc272/Hervoyel/Carr-the-Titan.jpg

If David Carr ever gets the urge to try and make up for his suck career and the 5 years he set the Houston Texans back then this is what needs to take place.

Find a way to get to Possum Holler, unseat Kerry Collins (Vince won't be a problem, he's pretty much worse than Carr was at this point) and put a smile on my face when you get sacked for a change David!

The only chance Carr has of seeing the Tennessee field again is if his face is burried in it.

Livid13
08-25-2009, 04:22 PM
lol and you were the biggest dc cheeleader while he was here.

really ?

Specnatz
08-25-2009, 04:30 PM
really ?

Yes really.

Double Barrel
08-25-2009, 05:20 PM
wow, a Carr-apologist sighting. I haven't seen one of those in years! :photos:

Hookem Horns
08-25-2009, 05:22 PM
wow, a Carr-apologist sighting. I haven't seen one of those in years! :photos:

LOL GP finally came around however I remember us going at it a few times in Carr threads. Of course I was a "hater".

But hey, I am no better. I thought the Texans should have dumped him and had a sausage party errr drafted Vince Young. (I was right about Reggie Bush though!)

I know gr8fan doesn't post anymore however he never liked Carr. To his credit he was saying Carr wouldn't pan out either in the first or second season. He kept saying that Carr was sacking himself and the O line was getting a bad rap. I didn't see the light until the 2004 season.

Livid13
08-26-2009, 09:47 AM
WOOOOO, I am the ghost of Tony Boselli.......

GP
08-26-2009, 10:10 AM
LOL GP finally came around however I remember us going at it a few times in Carr threads. Of course I was a "hater".

But hey, I am no better. I thought the Texans should have dumped him and had a sausage party errr drafted Vince Young. (I was right about Reggie Bush though!)

I know gr8fan doesn't post anymore however he never liked Carr. To his credit he was saying Carr wouldn't pan out either in the first or second season. He kept saying that Carr was sacking himself and the O line was getting a bad rap. I didn't see the light until the 2004 season.

LOL. Yes we did.

I also went at it with Thunderkyss on an issue that I can't even remember, though I am sure it is tied to David Carr somehow. I always like discussing things with TK because the guy doesn't get uptight and is just generally fun to talk football with.

Unlike Hook 'Em who thinks he owns this board. [/digattheowner] ;)

Honoring Earl 34
08-26-2009, 10:18 AM
LOL. Yes we did.

I also went at it with Thunderkyss on an issue that I can't even remember, though I am sure it is tied to David Carr somehow. I always like discussing things with TK because the guy doesn't get uptight and is just generally fun to talk football with.

Unlike Hook 'Em who thinks he owns this board. [/digattheowner] ;)

Hulk wanted to meet me somewhere , to explain things .

HOU-TEX
08-26-2009, 10:38 AM
LOL GP finally came around however I remember us going at it a few times in Carr threads. Of course I was a "hater".

But hey, I am no better. I thought the Texans should have dumped him and had a sausage party errr drafted Vince Young. (I was right about Reggie Bush though!)

I know gr8fan doesn't post anymore however he never liked Carr. To his credit he was saying Carr wouldn't pan out either in the first or second season. He kept saying that Carr was sacking himself and the O line was getting a bad rap. I didn't see the light until the 2004 season.

Don't feel bad. First part of the 05 season for me, but I was never a blind homer for the dude. I suppose I just kept hoping he'd turn out to be what we needed. I got fed up with the running out of bounds behind the LOS. God that used to piss me off to no end.

I always thought he was kind of fairy-ish

Vinny
08-26-2009, 10:41 AM
Don't feel bad. First part of the 05 season for me, but I was never a blind homer for the dude. I suppose I just kept hoping he'd turn out to be what we needed. I got fed up with the running out of bounds behind the LOS. God that used to piss me off to no end.

I always thought he was kind of fairy-ish
Hell, I compared him to Rob Johnson in 2003 and it turned me into Vinny the message board villain till about the time you figured it out. :pirate:

HOU-TEX
08-26-2009, 10:47 AM
Hell, I compared him to Rob Johnson in 2003 and it turned me into Vinny the message board villain till about the time you figured it out. :pirate:

Ha, I'm not sure what the heck took me so long. Maybe I was so giddy about getting football back in town that my knowledge of football took the back seat. Trust me, every time I think of the times I defended that pansy to my brother I want to kick my own ass.

swtbound07
08-26-2009, 10:54 AM
I have the honor of starting the first "Start Sage" thread in message board history.

Texan_Bill
08-26-2009, 11:21 AM
http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k325/Texan_Bill/Miscellaneous/quinn.jpg

I forget who originally posted this, but props.

Specnatz
08-26-2009, 11:27 AM
I forget who originally posted this, but props.

:foottap: :bat: :thumbdown

Runner
08-26-2009, 11:33 AM
Don't feel bad. First part of the 05 season for me, but I was never a blind homer for the dude. I suppose I just kept hoping he'd turn out to be what we needed. I got fed up with the running out of bounds behind the LOS. God that used to piss me off to no end.

I always thought he was kind of fairy-ish
Hell, I compared him to Rob Johnson in 2003 and it turned me into Vinny the message board villain till about the time you figured it out. :pirate:

I was new to the board when I tried to point out that not all of the sacks were due to the line. That was back in the time when everyone KNEW the line sucked and Carr was the star of the show, so I didn't gain much credibility.

Ol' Dave was very popular on the board then, although it seems now he never had more than a few supporters at the peak of his popularity...

Livid13
08-26-2009, 12:58 PM
I think, including the infamous 20/20 hindsight, that we all agree that DC sucked and is not a solid back-up. I just can't help remember how many of you who were ECSTATIC when we drafted Carr. It's harder to get a good steak in Bombay, than to bring out all the original D.C. lovers.

Dan B.
08-26-2009, 01:02 PM
I gave up on Carr in 2005. I had pretty much decided he was mediocre on a good day at that point, but Caper's last year I decided that DC actually destroys the team he is on. I was one of the numbskulls that wanted Young.

Hooston Texan
08-26-2009, 01:35 PM
What I find interesting here is how Chris Palmer continues to throw good career money after bad with Carr. Thanks to Carr (and Tim Couch), Palmer went from being "the next great coach" to a mere position coach in under ten years. Yet he's still trying to make the guy into something; I guess we should at least admire his persistance.

When the new Brownies hired Palmer in 1998/99, he was the hot coordinator in the business after having taken Drew Bledsoe to the Super Bowl and had the Brunell/Jimmy Smith Jags knocking at the door. They draft Tim Couch and then proceed to go 5-27 his two years there. So then we hire him as coordinator and saddle him with David Carr until Carr finally gets him fired during the 2005 season.

He didn't get another job until his old Patriots boss, Parcells, hires him to coach the QBs at Dallas. That was the year Tony Romo emerged (ending with his botched FG hold in Seattle). He then hired on with his other notable ex-boss, Tom Coughlin, with the Giants, but still as position coach. In that first year, the Giants win the Super Bowl with Eli looking better than he ever looked before. And how does Palmer spend his new-found capital that comes with winning the Super Bowl? By bringing Carr to Gotham. Yikes.

Those naked pictures Carr has of him must be something else. There is no other reason I can think of why Palmer is still pinning his reputation on the guy who basically killed (again, with Couch's help) his head-coach/offensive-coordinator career.

JDizzle
08-26-2009, 01:38 PM
How would y'all like to be in Carr's shoes? (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32237)

Vinny
08-26-2009, 01:39 PM
What I find interesting here is how Chris Palmer continues to throw good career money after bad with Carr. Thanks to Carr (and Tim Couch), Palmer went from being "the next great coach" to a mere position coach in under ten years. Yet he's still trying to make the guy into something; I guess we should at least admire his persistance.

When the new Brownies hired Palmer in 1998/99, he was the hot coordinator in the business after having taken Drew Bledsoe to the Super Bowl and had the Brunell/Jimmy Smith Jags knocking at the door. They draft Tim Couch and then proceed to go 5-27 his two years there. So then we hire him as coordinator and saddle him with David Carr until Carr finally gets him fired during the 2005 season.

He didn't get another job until his old Patriots boss, Parcells, hires him to coach the QBs at Dallas. That was the year Tony Romo emerged (ending with his botched FG hold in Seattle). He then hired on with his other notable ex-boss, Tom Coughlin, with the Giants, but still as position coach. In that first year, the Giants win the Super Bowl with Eli looking better than he ever looked before. And how does Palmer spend his new-found capital that comes with winning the Super Bowl? By bringing Carr to Gotham. Yikes.

Those naked pictures Carr has of him must be something else. There is no other reason I can think of why Palmer is still pinning his reputation on the guy who basically killed (again, with Couch's help) his head-coach/offensive-coordinator career. Palmer also coached Rob Johnson twice too. I think he is smitten for QB's with physical tools, but no ability to use them. It's gotta be a rare, rare fetish.

Dan B.
08-26-2009, 01:44 PM
Palmer also coached Rob Johnson twice too. I think he is smitten for QB's with physical tools, but no ability to use them. It's gotta be a rare, rare fetish.

He's like someone with a fetish for young hot dumb partners that can't stay faithful.

"I can change them." "They've got a good heart." "At least they are trying."

"Gee, why do all my relationships end in shambles?"

Texan_Bill
08-26-2009, 01:58 PM
I gave up on Carr in 2005. I had pretty much decided he was mediocre on a good day at that point, but Caper's last year I decided that DC actually destroys the team he is on. I was one of the numbskulls that wanted Young.

I wanted to give Carr one full year under Kubes. Well that ended about halfway through that season when I saw (I think it was) AJ beat his man badly going deep. The pocket was closing in on Carr and all he had to do was step up into it and throw. Alas, he went into the fetal position rather than stepping up. I threw my beer at my TV, but went Vince Young and missed it.
:tiphat:

Dan B.
08-26-2009, 02:01 PM
I wanted to give Carr one full year under Kubes. Well that ended about halfway through that season when I saw (I think it was) AJ beat his man badly going deep. The pocket was closing in on Carr and all he had to do was step up into it and throw. Alas, he went into the fetal position rather than stepping up. I threw my beer at my TV, but went Vince Young and missed it.
:tiphat:

Yea when they went to the "David just throw it to the first guy you see as soon as possible. For god's sake don't throw it further than five yards or hold on to the ball for more than three seconds" strategy, I knew for certain he was kaput.

Texan_Bill
08-26-2009, 02:03 PM
Yea when they went to the "David just throw it to the first guy you see as soon as possible. For god's sake don't throw it further than five yards or hold on to the ball for more than three seconds" strategy, I knew for certain he was kaput.

Yup.. That's when you knew Kubiak had no faith in him whatsoever.

Dan B.
08-26-2009, 02:04 PM
Yup.. That's when you knew Kubiak had no faith in him whatsoever.

Remember the Panther fans who were so sure he'd be successful because he had a high completion percentage that year? Good times.

Honoring Earl 34
08-26-2009, 02:09 PM
I wanted to give Carr one full year under Kubes. Well that ended about halfway through that season when I saw (I think it was) AJ beat his man badly going deep. The pocket was closing in on Carr and all he had to do was step up into it and throw. Alas, he went into the fetal position rather than stepping up. I threw my beer at my TV, but went Vince Young and missed it.:tiphat:

Like VY ... you should have ran to the TV and dumped that beer on it . It's all in the legs dude .:jogger:

Texan_Bill
08-26-2009, 02:12 PM
Remember the Panther fans who were so sure he'd be successful because he had a high completion percentage that year? Good times.

:spit: Yes. That was hilarious!

Texan_Bill
08-26-2009, 02:12 PM
Like VY ... you should have ran to the TV and dumped that beer on it . It's all in the legs dude .:jogger:

LMAO!! You're right.

HOU-TEX
08-26-2009, 02:13 PM
Remember the Panther fans who were so sure he'd be successful because he had a high completion percentage that year? Good times.

Well, at least they figured it out after just 1 year. :backsout:

Honoring Earl 34
08-26-2009, 02:16 PM
Well, at least they figured it out after just 1 year. :backsout:

They figured it out in half a season . John Fox wouldn't start him for a home game because they were afraid of the fans booing him . Then along came Vinny , who started after two practices .

HOU-TEX
08-26-2009, 02:16 PM
Like VY ... you should have ran to the TV and dumped that beer on it . It's all in the legs dude .:jogger:

Then shed his shirt and began sulking to a sausage and a bottle of tequila.

Texan_Bill
08-26-2009, 02:17 PM
Well, at least they figured it out after just 1 year. :backsout:

I think Kubiak knew after about, oh....... one game. He probably thought to himself, "WTF did I get myself into? :gun:"

HOU-TEX
08-26-2009, 02:17 PM
They figured it out in half a season . John Fox wouldn't start him for a home game because they were afraid of the fans booing him . Then along came Vinny , who started after two practices .

:spit: I remember that. Sad, sad, sad

Honoring Earl 34
08-26-2009, 02:21 PM
I think Kubiak knew after about, oh....... one game. He probably thought to himself, "WTF did I get myself into? :gun:"

In the Vinsanity game , after the Titans tied it with 52 seconds left , Kubiak supposedly asked Carr what he wanted to do . Carr responded with that classic battle cry of ... I don't know , your the coach . That IMO , was the last straw .

Texecutioner
08-26-2009, 02:27 PM
I threw my beer at my TV, but went Vince Young and missed it.
:tiphat:

:spit:

Dan B.
08-26-2009, 02:32 PM
I threw my beer at my TV, but went Vince Young and ran home, hid under the covers for a week, ignored my boss, and had Mamma make excuses for me because the pressure was too much

fixed?

Texan_Bill
08-26-2009, 02:34 PM
fixed?

lol: that's about it.

4Texans
08-26-2009, 02:47 PM
They figured it out in half a season . John Fox wouldn't start him for a home game because they were afraid of the fans booing him . Then along came Vinny , who started after two practices .

And all of a sudden the Panthers went from having one of the best O lines in the league, to not having anyone that could block..... It's like Houdini showed up and made the OL disappear. :voodoo:

HoustonFrog
08-26-2009, 03:19 PM
LOL GP finally came around however I remember us going at it a few times in Carr threads. Of course I was a "hater".

But hey, I am no better. I thought the Texans should have dumped him and had a sausage party errr drafted Vince Young. (I was right about Reggie Bush though!)

I know gr8fan doesn't post anymore however he never liked Carr. To his credit he was saying Carr wouldn't pan out either in the first or second season. He kept saying that Carr was sacking himself and the O line was getting a bad rap. I didn't see the light until the 2004 season.

I came here for the first time just to say Carr sucked and that he didn't practice hard, etc and summarily got like 5 neg reps and people telling me my info was off.

Here they were..

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=234972&postcount=24

LOL..sorry. I'm new as of yesterday and really grew up a Cowboy fan(don't throw rocks). I've lived here since 1993 though and would love to see the Texans get better for the city. From an outsider looking in I think the fans are way too forgiving and think good guy equals winner. Carr, from what I read, never stays late to look at film and is pretty much worried about his TV appearances and his hair. He claims the film is because he puts a premium on his family. Well sometimes you need to sacrifice. Alot of people do.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=244902&postcount=41

I never even came here before the end of this season and I didn't start changing on Carr until this year. We all have opinions and I for one think he lacks leadership skills, makes dumb mistakes and then watches his line take all the heat, and pretty much is not going to be a franchise QB. He has rocks for brains and I don't see him taking any team to a SB. Maybe he can take HEB or SportsCut there.

The Pencil Neck
08-26-2009, 05:39 PM
I wanted to give Carr one full year under Kubes. Well that ended about halfway through that season when I saw (I think it was) AJ beat his man badly going deep. The pocket was closing in on Carr and all he had to do was step up into it and throw. Alas, he went into the fetal position rather than stepping up. I threw my beer at my TV, but went Vince Young and missed it.
:tiphat:

I did pretty much the same thing. A little less than halfway through that season, I was in the Anybody But Carr group.