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aj.
02-08-2005, 08:03 PM
The Belichick Plan (http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/printstory.mpl/sports/3029273)

nunusguy
02-08-2005, 08:32 PM
"Belichick has avoided those issues so far by dealing coldly with some players. He called in safety Lawyer Milloy just before the start of the 2003 season and demanded he take a pay cut.
When Milloy refused, Belichick cut him on the spot."
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This kind of cold hearted discipline is a key to Belichick's success, no doubt.

Grid
02-08-2005, 08:36 PM
well as long as you keep winning.. you can afford to cut proven players and replace them with nobodies. his good judgement has kept him from being labeled as a heavy handed ignorant jerk.. and instead he has become the greatest mind in football.


and really its hard to base things on the salary cap. Sure we may have less cap space this year.. but depending on how the contracts were written.. we could be one of the lowest next year. it all depends on what season a particular player is in on his contract. Casserly is right though about an expansion team having more troubles with that kind of stuff. Once some of the older more expensive players leave us, and are replaced by our own draft picks and such.. we will be in a much better situation.

ledzeppelin229
02-08-2005, 08:58 PM
well as long as you keep winning.. you can afford to cut proven players and replace them with nobodies. his good judgement has kept him from being labeled as a heavy handed ignorant jerk.. and instead he has become the greatest mind in football.


and really its hard to base things on the salary cap. Sure we may have less cap space this year.. but depending on how the contracts were written.. we could be one of the lowest next year. it all depends on what season a particular player is in on his contract. Casserly is right though about an expansion team having more troubles with that kind of stuff. Once some of the older more expensive players leave us, and are replaced by our own draft picks and such.. we will be in a much better situation.

Well, he didn't really replace him with a "nobody" (Rodney Harrison)

Makes it a little easier to cut him.

rhc564
02-08-2005, 09:12 PM
"Yet even if Belichick never wins another championship, every fan in every other NFL city can hold his own team to a higher standard because of him. He has made it look easy."

There are no excuses with Belichick, as every team faces the same
obstacles during the season. The difference is that 'B' does not lower his
standards or expectations like other Coaches do. You won't here 'B' say
he didn't blitz because it would have meant single coverage, and his players
couldn't have made the coverage. Of course, the purpose of the blitz is
either to sack the QB or pressure him into a poor decision which would
negate the risk of single coverage. Capers? He just doesn't blitz. :bouncey:

TexansTrueFan
02-08-2005, 09:52 PM
sure does sound like fun to play for the guy, think they'll win another championship ? If so than i recomend that capers start doing the same with the texans !

Ranger
02-08-2005, 09:56 PM
Let me start off by saying Howdy Yall.

Second let me get to my point:

Your a fool if you say this young franchise has failed because they are not modeling the New England Patriots. That is kind of what this article hints at. There is nobody in the NFL that models after the New England Patriots, and there will never be. What the New England Patriots have is special. It is in there heart and in there mind.

It starts with Scot Pioli. When he goes out and gets FA's, he is not looking at stats or if this guy is a big name player. He goes out and gets a guy that wants to prove himself with a team and who wants to put everything and give everything in to win a championship.

•The Texans had six former first-round choices on their roster. The Patriots had five.
•The Texans had 20 players taken in the first three rounds of the draft. The Pats had 13.
•The Texans had a former overall No. 1 pick playing quarterback — Carr. The Patriots had a former 199th pick at QB — Brady.

Scot Pioli also does his magic in the draft. He doesn't do it in the early rounds, but in the later rounds and goes out and drafts guys who develop into players and become starters. Tom Brady is one. There center Dan Koppen is another. He was selected like in the 4th round.

There system also revolves around not letting one player be the spot light. By this I mean in there offense, they don't rely on one player. Sure they rely on Tom Brady, but in there receiving core, you can argue on day long who is there #1 receive. In there defense they allow everyone to make plays, Burschi, Vrabel, Colvin, McGinnest, all of those guys make plays on a regular basis. At the end of the day they don't blame one person saying "Oh well this guy didn't step up".

This organization is run prefectly. They have the right guys making personal and draft decesions, right guys coaching, the right guys running the plays, its a team effort in all areas. There will be no one that can do it as well as the Patriots. But, there luck might be running out................

TexansTrueFan
02-08-2005, 09:59 PM
haha man we are not downing the organization or saying it has failed, its off season and we get kinda bored and find stuff to talk about. I dont think theres a person on this message board who wouldnt tell you this team is headed in the right direction !

WWJD
02-08-2005, 10:00 PM
They had the NE linebacker on 610 one day last week and he said they have success because they believe in the system...if they don't they don't hang around long and they are unbelievably well coached. He said they will go into a defensive alignment that they haven't been in for months if the coach wants to change. He said Belichick is unbelievably smart with defensive schemes. They adjust. They believe. They don't keep guys around that don't want to be part of the team. It's team above everything with that group.

axman40
02-08-2005, 10:03 PM
:hmmm: taste like chicken

aj.
02-08-2005, 10:15 PM
Compare the Pats starters from Sunday's game to their roster from three seasons ago when they beat the Rams in SB XXXVI.

3/5 of the o-line is different (Light and Andruzzi are the only ones still there).

Different TEs (Graham and Fauria vs. Wiggins and Rutledge)

Completely different backfield (Antowain Smith and Marc Edwards gone - Faulk remains).

Added Givens and Branch at WR (Troy Brown and Patten remain)

Same QB

On the defense, they have a totally different secondary; now Gay, Samuel, Wilson, Harrison vs. then Law (hurt in 04), O. Smith, Milloy, and T. Jones.

Back then, they were playing 4-3 and on the DL they had Hamilton, Mitchell, Seymour, and Pleasant. Now they have Seymour, Wilfork, and Green.

Their strength (LBs) remained the same (Vrabel, Bruschi, Phifer, McGinest).

They have had a lot of turnover since the 2001 season (except for QB and LB) and if anything they've gotten better.

TexansTrueFan
02-08-2005, 10:17 PM
they do good every year regardless of players !

Ranger
02-08-2005, 10:20 PM
haha man we are not downing the organization or saying it has failed, its off season and we get kinda bored and find stuff to talk about.

I never said WE were downing the organization, I was saying the the writer was downing the organization for asking Charley Casserly "Hey Charley have you learned anything from the Patriots? Why don't we be like them?" He makes it sound like he wants Charley to build this franchise just like them and be a New England copycat.

aj.
02-08-2005, 10:29 PM
He makes it sound like he wants Charley to build this franchise just like them and be a New England copycat And the problem with that would be ...

texan279
02-08-2005, 10:35 PM
IMO the majority of the Pats success is due to the coaching, play calling, and schemes. The Pats are not a team loaded with Pro Bowl talent although they have some standout players on both sides of the ball. Overall their team is built with a lot of solid players and depth, not just a few Pro Bowlers surrounded by a team. And I am really wanting to see how they do next season with Crennell and Weiss gone, because I heard today on ESPN that the biggest free agent they will have to sign this offseason is Adam Viniateri so the majority of the players should return next season.

nunusguy
02-09-2005, 08:00 AM
3/5 of the o-line is different (Light and Andruzzi are the only ones still there).

This is further evidence that the OLine doesn't need to play together as a unit
over a long period of time to be effective. We have another example of this
with the Chargers, who threw a group together during the offseason that was
effective enough to get the Bolts into the playoffs.

JustBonee
02-09-2005, 08:46 AM
Wouldn't every team like to have the genius mind of Belichick!
It will be interesting to see what happens when Brady asks for more money.
He needs Belichick as much as Belichick needs him.
Although with three rings, what does he want for more now .. another ring or fatter paycheck.

bckey
02-09-2005, 09:51 AM
haha man we are not downing the organization or saying it has failed, its off season and we get kinda bored and find stuff to talk about. I dont think theres a person on this message board who wouldnt tell you this team is headed in the right direction !



I will. Capers isn't head coach material. We will have to wait 5 years to figure it out though.

Vinny
02-09-2005, 12:35 PM
Casserly is right, we are a new team and we need to spend money to build the core....

Carr, Gaffney, Coleman, Walker and Payne will take paycuts when thier contract is up... Coleman just signed a contract. Walker just signed a contract, and Payne may not come back and is a free agent. Carr gets a massive bonus this year and Gaffney will likely get a raise.Sharper, Johnson and Robinson will need to be paid more....Sharper may be in decline. He didn't impress me last season and will not command his current salary level after this contract, Johnson is inked for a long time, and so is Robinson...so thats kinda moot right now.
Romeo Crenel and Charley Wies are both geniuses just like Bellichick. That coaching staff deserves to be in the hall. Why charlie went to ND I dont understand when he could have taken an NFL job... Funny how they weren't geniuses before they were Belichicks coordinators. Kraft hired BB 5 years ago and now has 3 Super Bowl rings. Those guys are fine coaches but the system is clearly Belichick's.

NoBullTexan
02-09-2005, 01:57 PM
Until someone else shows up to prove him wrong, Bellichek is the man. He and Pioli have built a wonderful organization. It can be said that the Patriots whole is better than the sum of the parts. They have the BEST head coach. They had the BEST coordinators till Weise and Crennel got head coaching positions. Yes, time will tell, but I'll bet you right now the Patriots are right in the thick of things for the Championship next year.

I would hope that the Texans could emulate the Patriots, but I also know that each team has to be built in its own way. I am not at all sure, anymore, that Dom Capers is the answer for our ultimate SB head coach. He is just too darn conservatgive for my liking. He also doesn't seem to be able to plug in the right coach, or player, for the right position. It may just be the youth of this team, but I am fast beginning to doubt Mr. Capers.

Yes, we have shown steady improvement in our won loss record. But the closer we get to 8-8 and beyond, the harder it becomes. Heres hoping I'm wrong.

Wolf
02-09-2005, 07:41 PM
what I didn't understand is the Corey Dillion thing.. what team wouldn't have given a 3rd round pick for him? no as for him taking a paycut to leave Cincy.. might have been different per team as how much of a paycut he took.

Ranger
02-09-2005, 09:38 PM
Its interesting you say that Charlie Weis and Romeio Crenell are products of Belechick's system, but if you go WAY back in both of their early coaching careers you will find out that they were both on the New York Giants coaching staff under Bill Parcells, under very lower roles. Maybe this whole coaching staff is following the example of one Bill Parcells. Kind of scary huh?

Corey Dillon I thought was an interesting move by the Patriots. They brought in a player who was labeled by many people in the league as selfish and a crybaby. But in fact he turned out to be just like all the other New England players--a guy looking to prove himself and doing everything it takes to win, and look at him now on top.