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CloakNNNdagger
08-22-2009, 11:35 AM
....................UP!

Jerry Jones doesn't want to move video board


So with a rookie slappy punter who'll undoubtedly be pumping gas in South Carolina this time next month able to send a kicked ball into the floating, four-sided drive-in movie screen at Cowboys Stadium, owner Jerry Jones will order the thing to be moved higher from the stadium floor, right?

Wrong.

"You don't need to move it," Jones said after Friday night's game between the Cowboys and the Titans, according to Paul Kuharsky and Matt Mosley of ESPN.com. "You gotta be trying to do it. The rule is very clear. You just kick it over."

Titans coach Jeff Fisher, co-chair of the league's Competition Committee, doesn't agree.

"It's an issue, yeah," Fisher said. "I'm sure the Cowboys or the league will tell you, I shouldn't have to throw a flag out there because [the officiating crew] didn't see the ball hit the scoreboard. Now, it's not necessarily their responsibility. Once a fair catch signal is given, then there are no eyes on the ball anymore. So they don't see it. So something has to get worked out. It can become a problem."

Per ESPN.com, rookie punter A.J. Trapasso and veteran Craig Hentrich struck the video board repeatedly during pre-game warmups.

"I hit it probably a dozen times in pregame," Hentrich said. "Probably somewhere around a five-second punt is going to hit it and some of the guys in the league wouldn't be able to punt here if it's not raised, they'd just be non-stop hitting it. I don't know what the people were thinking. I guess they should have tested things out before they put that thing in place. It'll have to be raised."

Cowboys punter Mat McBriar, however, said that he doesn't think it will be a problem (thus guaranteeing his employment for 2009, and likely beyond).

Meanwhile, we're still not sure what we think about the board itself. For folks at home, the thing potentially undermines the overall aesthetics. While attending a game, there's a chance that folks might spend more time watching the grossly oversized television instead of focusing on the action on the field.

So, basically, plenty of folks might end up paying good money for the ability to watch the game on a television that will often remind folks of the big tree that branced over the street and prompted endless do-overs during the days of skinned knees and periodic shouts of "Car!"

LINK (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/22/jerry-jones-doesnt-want-to-move-video-board/)

eriadoc
08-22-2009, 11:47 AM
I would just like to point out once again, for the record, that Jerry Jones is from Arkansas (or is it OK?). Either way, it ain't TX.

:D

Specnatz
08-22-2009, 11:49 AM
Jerry is right and everyone else is wrong.

HoustonFrog
08-22-2009, 11:50 AM
From what my brother said at the McCartney concert and the game last night, the whole thing is being overblown and that in pregame they were trying to hit it. I personally think it should be raised just to make sure but we will see. It would be dumb to leave it with a chance. I've heard nothing but badass reviews of the place though. He gets 2 50 yarders for each home game and a pledge brother has a suite I'm supposed to go to....so I'm ready.

Texaninlild
08-22-2009, 11:54 AM
The league needs to force him to do so. You DO NOT change the game for a giant screen. It is a great screen(s), just raise the damn thing. If you saw folks vantage points they need the screens inside the stadium. I drive by this huge stadium all the time, it is impressive, but I am curious how the noise will be with this type of design. Reliant rocks when the crowd does. I am not sure if that will happen on board the Death Star?

WWJD
08-22-2009, 11:59 AM
The league needs to force him to do so. You DO NOT change the game for a giant screen. It is a great screen(s), just raise the damn thing. If you saw folks vantage points they need the screens inside the stadium. I drive by this huge stadium all the time, it is impressive, but I am curious how the noise will be with this type of design. Reliant rocks when the crowd does. I am not sure if that will happen on board the Death Star?

It was deafening at the McCartney concert Wednesday night.

texanmojo
08-22-2009, 12:19 PM
If some object exists in the stadium that physically effects the play of the game, then it needs to be moved.

The place looks really nice. Bet its gonna be 1/2 empty and you won't see many of the same people sitting in the same seats with what JJ wants for a PSL and ticket.

CloakNNNdagger
08-22-2009, 12:24 PM
It's no secret that this should have been anticipated. In the 1976 Pro Bowl, after Guy hit the Superdome screen, the league had the 90 foot clearance increased to 200 feet. It is not for Jeruh to determined who should or shouldn't be able to hit his screen. For some kickers it could tactically change their intended trajectory to a more acute angle with resulting shorter kicks or blocked kicks. Even though there may not be many Guys out there, those that have a "kick ass foot" should not be limited by a TV screen and the arrogance of an egocentric owner.

mattieuk
08-22-2009, 02:55 PM
I'm just watching the replay of the game on NFLN....its so damn funny.

So much money, and Jerry can't even figure out a good place to put a videoboard. Its hilarious, and it obviously has to be moved. Just wait for a playoff game to be decided by a poor punt, because the original first good punt hit Jerry's television. I can't believe hes even trying to say it should stay. How about we place a new concession stand on the 20 yard sideline, overlapping a yard into the field. Just play around it...

CloakNNNdagger
08-22-2009, 06:27 PM
There maybe a simple reason that Jeruh is being belligerent concerning the thought of moving the screen. A friend of mine who is a commercial audeo-visual contractor related to me that the position of the large screen is positioned optimally for the expensive suite patrons. Even though the angle of view would not significantly be changed, it would be changed for just enough "inconvenience" to probably elicit complaints from his cash cows.

BTW, it is not as difficult to hit the undersurface of the video board as Jeruh would want us to believe...........since it gives a ridiculous 10,000 square foot rigging target...............a miniscule of what the two DiamondVision Superdome screens afforded Guy at a measly 29' x 36' dimension.

MojoMan
08-22-2009, 08:04 PM
If I was sitting in the upper decks of that stadium, I would not want to be looking straight forward into an enormous big screen TV. If I wanted to watch the game on TV, I would just stay home.

WWJD
08-22-2009, 08:39 PM
The video board was at 90 feet last night which is within the NFL guidelines.

Perhaps that will be changed due to last night's game..I don't know.

They already had plans in place to move it for the upcoming U2 show..apparently they have a huge stage setup.

I imagine it will be moved up and down as needed.

CloakNNNdagger
08-22-2009, 10:17 PM
Just had an idea if Jeruh wants to go a cheaper route...............lower the field by at least 50 feet. Then, at the end of the season, you can just cover Jeruh and the Girls with the left over dirt and give them a proper burial when again they miss the playoffs.:pirate:

StarStruck
08-23-2009, 12:32 AM
I am curious as to what is the point of kicking a ball more than 90 feet high. Is it for hang time, or what? BTW, I like the screen just fine, and I like being there as well. Home entertainment systems just don't provide the same experience for me.

Wolf
08-23-2009, 12:35 AM
I am curious as to what is the point of kicking a ball more than 90 feet high. Is it for hang time, or what? BTW, I like the screen just fine, and I like being there as well. Home entertainment systems just don't provide the same experience for me.

hang time.. if one can get close to a 5 second hang time then coverage has time to get there (I know it is obvious so just saying)

on a side note, i would love to see greg montgomery's kick again against the bronco's in preseason back in the day, I have never noticed a kick that high and that far since then...maybe it wasn't much but it seemed like it

Showtime100
08-23-2009, 01:07 AM
The ploblem at hand it strange enough, but Jerry and the boy's reaction is even stranger. Just raise the effing thing!

HoustonFrog
08-23-2009, 08:03 AM
The ploblem at hand it strange enough, but Jerry and the boy's reaction is even stranger. Just raise the effing thing!

Heard it will be another 2 mil to do. Chump change for the cost but I'm sure it will get done. I think Jerry made some comments about it being a "condition" almost like it was Tal's hill with the flagpole.

Showtime100
08-23-2009, 08:39 AM
Heard it will be another 2 mil to do. Chump change for the cost but I'm sure it will get done. I think Jerry made some comments about it being a "condition" almost like it was Tal's hill with the flagpole.

Link please. If he really said that he really has a hard........problem with Houston.

BTW, I don't defend Tal's Hill and if that is Jerry's defense he is really off.

HoustonFrog
08-23-2009, 09:28 AM
Link please. If he really said that he really has a hard........problem with Houston.

BTW, I don't defend Tal's Hill and if that is Jerry's defense he is really off.

No, I compared it to Tal's Hill but his comment was that it was a "condition" like something that both teams have to deal with....to me it came across as that.

Showtime100
08-23-2009, 10:17 AM
No, I compared it to Tal's Hill but his comment was that it was a "condition" like something that both teams have to deal with....to me it came across as that.

Ok, your camparing it to Tal's Hill and saying Jerry said it is a Tal's Hill in and of itself.

Come on Frog, it's a joke and you know it. It's a joke Cowboy fans are with Jerry on this.

Lame ass attempt at diverting attention. Stick to the subjest for God sake.

Wolf
08-23-2009, 10:59 AM
No, I compared it to Tal's Hill but his comment was that it was a "condition" like something that both teams have to deal with....to me it came across as that.

I don't see how it can stay were it is at , esp with jeff fisher (who is part of the competition committee) had to waste a red flag on a ball that hit the screen because the refs are too busy looking at the field for illegal blocks and such.

Silver Oak
08-23-2009, 02:27 PM
http://cdn.ksk.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/dallas.jpg

StarStruck
08-23-2009, 03:20 PM
I hope that the sceen situation is worked out soon. Personally, I love the screen and when comparing plays on it to the one in Texas Stadium the zoom was from perhaps 10 to 100. I found it interesting from my perspective on the 4th level an opportunity to see the plays form, and to see it again magnified in HD.

TimeKiller
08-23-2009, 04:06 PM
Watching the preseason game....that thing looked monstrous...kind of in a bad way. I'm not just hating on it because I hate the Cowboys and Dallas and blablabla, honestly it looked totally distracting. Doesn't surprise me at all that it could impose itself on a game. I like the idea of having it over the field like a basketball court but it just looks gaudy to these eyes.

StarStruck
08-23-2009, 04:15 PM
Watching the preseason game....that thing looked monstrous...kind of in a bad way. I'm not just hating on it because I hate the Cowboys and Dallas and blablabla, honestly it looked totally distracting. Doesn't surprise me at all that it could impose itself on a game. I like the idea of having it over the field like a basketball court but it just looks gaudy to these eyes.

I guess it depends on the ticketholder. It is monstrous, but to me in a good way. I hated the screen in Texas Stadium, and based on what I could see on it, it could have very well not been there at all. The Texans stadium is much much nicer and gives a nice view, though it is on the opposite side of where I sit. The screen in Cowboys Stadium brings the play up close no matter where you sit. Also, guys don't need binoculars to get a good view of the cheerleaders.

In other observations, I hope the 50 yard line "Star" will be installed by the season's opener along with the Ring of Honor and Super Bowl banners. Since the building is complete, it's time to hang the decorations.

HOU-TEX
08-24-2009, 12:03 PM
Watching the preseason game....that thing looked monstrous...kind of in a bad way. I'm not just hating on it because I hate the Cowboys and Dallas and blablabla, honestly it looked totally distracting. Doesn't surprise me at all that it could impose itself on a game. I like the idea of having it over the field like a basketball court but it just looks gaudy to these eyes.

I agree. Cowboys or not, that thing is just flat out gaudy looking. Maybe it lends a different experience being there in person, but from watching on TV, it's an eye sore.

Texan_Bill
08-24-2009, 12:24 PM
No, I compared it to Tal's Hill but his comment was that it was a "condition" like something that both teams have to deal with....to me it came across as that.

But Frog, you can't compare it to Tal's Hill to football. Baseball features "certain" conditions (i.e. the bump to homeplate is 60'-6") to be the same but outfield dimensions and shapes vary (drastically in some cases). Every dimension for football is uniform.

If the league says lift it, the Cowboys will lift it.

HoustonFrog
08-24-2009, 12:28 PM
But Frog, you can't compare it to Tal's Hill to football. Baseball features "certain" conditions (i.e. the bump to homeplate is 60'-6") to be the same but outfield dimensions and shapes vary (drastically in some cases). Every dimension for football is uniform.

If the league says lift it, the Cowboys will lift it.

Again, I didn't mean it as a direct comparison...I just used it because Jerry was acting like it was "field condition" that had to be dealt with while playing during a game. Like a quirk. Like the Hill is....stupid if you ask me but oh well. But as much as people want to blast Jones, the people that floor me is the league. They approved it and was 5 feet over their minimum. Hopefully it gets raised and that is it.

Blazing Arrow
08-24-2009, 12:53 PM
I think it is funny that the article says the punter will be pumping gas in a few weeks. The guy has actually been very solid and if not on our team he will make another team. I think he was intentionally trying to hit the screen but it shows a flaw in the design that needs to be corrected. As another poster said imagine if this happens in a playoff game? How about if they get a super bowl bid?

Losing Coach:"Well we probably would have won but the punter kept having to shank his punts so the crowd could watch the dot races in HD."

Texan_Bill
08-24-2009, 12:55 PM
Again, I didn't mean it as a direct comparison...I just used it because Jerry was acting like it was "field condition" that had to be dealt with while playing during a game. Like a quirk. Like the Hill is....stupid if you ask me but oh well. But as much as people want to blast Jones, the people that floor me is the league. They approved it and was 5 feet over their minimum. Hopefully it gets raised and that is it.

That's exactly the point. There are no "ground rules" in football.

Maybe the league did approve it. That's irrelavent. It creates a hazard to the game, so the league should "un-approve" it which sounds like what they're doing.

As far as the Hill, it's not really stupid. It was done within the designer's vision of creating certain aspects from some old historical ballparks. That hill was inspired by Crosley Stadium in the Natti and the flag pole being in play was inspired by old Tiger's & Yankees Stadium(s).

HoustonFrog
08-24-2009, 01:29 PM
That's exactly the point. There are no "ground rules" in football.

Maybe the league did approve it. That's irrelavent. It creates a hazard to the game, so the league should "un-approve" it which sounds like what they're doing.

As far as the Hill, it's not really stupid. It was done within the designer's vision of creating certain aspects from some old historical ballparks. That hill was inspired by Crosley Stadium in the Natti and the flag pole being in play was inspired by old Tiger's & Yankees Stadium(s).

All I've ever seen when looking out if the potential to turn ankles :)

I'm not saying it doesn't need to be raised. I've stated that. But it was approved. They were stupid to do that. For the record the Cowboys punter actually hit a punt 100 feet up when they were testing but they wanted it at 90. To me you are bringing in all types of game changing issues when you have "repunts."

Vinny
08-24-2009, 01:35 PM
you get players injured when you make them sprint down the field multiple times in a row. It's exausting to run gassers in the middle of the game and players get hurt when fatigued.

Texan_Bill
08-24-2009, 01:35 PM
All I've ever seen when looking out if the potential to turn ankles :)

I'm not saying it doesn't need to be raised. I've stated that. But it was approved. They were stupid to do that. For the record the Cowboys punter actually hit a punt 100 feet up when they were testing but they wanted it at 90. To me you are brining in all types of game changing issues when you have "repunts."

Yup. Exaclty.

HoustonFrog
08-24-2009, 01:43 PM
you get players injured when you make them sprint down the field multiple times in a row. It's exausting to run gassers in the middle of the game and players get hurt when fatigued.

Not only that but on 1560 this morning they were talking about having a big game changed when the second punt is blocked. I'd be peeved it ruined a playoff/SB run.

WWJD
08-24-2009, 02:36 PM
I think it is funny that the article says the punter will be pumping gas in a few weeks. The guy has actually been very solid and if not on our team he will make another team. I think he was intentionally trying to hit the screen but it shows a flaw in the design that needs to be corrected. As another poster said imagine if this happens in a playoff game? How about if they get a super bowl bid?

Losing Coach:"Well we probably would have won but the punter kept having to shank his punts so the crowd could watch the dot races in HD."

He was trying to hit the board..that was really obvious.

They do have a SB coming...2011.

Blazing Arrow
08-24-2009, 04:19 PM
He should be forced to tear down the stadium and start over.

Texan_Bill
08-24-2009, 04:21 PM
http://cdn.ksk.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/dallas.jpg

lol:

WWJD
08-24-2009, 04:22 PM
He should be forced to tear down the stadium and start over.

obviously you've never been there...

I think this stuff is hysterical! The screen is going up....for Bono...master of the free world and walking talking legend.

Specnatz
08-24-2009, 04:25 PM
obviously you've never been there...

I think this stuff is hysterical! The screen is going up....for Bono...master of the free world and walking talking legend.

But not for football.

WWJD
08-24-2009, 04:39 PM
But not for football.

they'll keep it up I imagine.

Silver Oak
08-24-2009, 04:58 PM
methinks some of the Dallas fans around here are pretty thin skinned about this new stadium.

NitroGSXR
08-24-2009, 04:59 PM
As far as the Hill, it's not really stupid. It was done within the designer's vision of creating certain aspects from some old historical ballparks. That hill was inspired by Crosley Stadium in the Natti and the flag pole being in play was inspired by old Tiger's & Yankees Stadium(s).
Which has to be one of the most stupidest things ever designed. Tal's Hill really does not belong. Combining two dangerous and ridiculous aspects of an old ballpark into Tal's Hill. I hate it. There are other things that they could have used to recapture the old glory days of baseball if they wanted to. A flagpole on a steep hill in centerfield is not exactly what I'd have envisioned.

flagpole = obstructive to a live ball
massive tv screen = obstructive to a live ball

I think I understood what Frog meant.

HoustonFrog
08-24-2009, 05:27 PM
methinks some of the Dallas fans around here are pretty thin skinned about this new stadium.

Thin skinned?I said it needs to go up. I do find it funny that the place is pretty bad-a though and yet you won't catch one person here saying anything but that it is a toilet bowl or whatever. Kind of dumb. It's a stadium. To me that is pretty telling at times. I think if it were here people would be pretty proud.

Texan_Bill
08-24-2009, 05:27 PM
Which has to be one of the most stupidest things ever designed. Tal's Hill really does not belong. Combining two dangerous and ridiculous aspects of an old ballpark into Tal's Hill. I hate it. There are other things that they could have used to recapture the old glory days of baseball if they wanted to. A flagpole on a steep hill in centerfield is not exactly what I'd have envisioned.

flagpole = obstructive to a live ball
massive tv screen = obstructive to a live ball

I think I understood what Frog meant.

First off, for those who think its ridiculous have no sense of the game the way it used to be played. Many parks had hills. (Crosley field happened to be the most prominent). Again, both Tiger's Stadium and Yankee' Stadium had flagpoles in play.... Maybe, just maybe a handull of balls get out there each year. And thats 81 home games x 10 years. Again, more wussification of America.

Second, in MMP's 10 year history, one person has ever hit the flag pole and only a couple of handfull of balls that have made it that far..... because afterall, it's well over 400 feet (430 ish). Not much of an obstacle when that deep.

With that said, I would not be in favor of a pole in left field at MMP

Third, the hill is not as steep as people tend to exagerate that it is. Per Lance Berkman the hill is not steep enough so that if a ball rolls up, it will roll back down it. You have to go get it.

PS.... Michael Bourn plays the hill rather well.

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Back to topic, as far as the Titan punter aiming for or not, the fact that it could be hit is the point.

Speedy
08-24-2009, 07:43 PM
All I've ever seen when looking out if the potential to turn ankles :)


There's been many many many more times in the last 10 years (same amount of time Tal's Hill has existed) that someone's been hurt crashing into an outfield wall than have ever been hurt on the Hill. In fact, the only injury on the hill that I can recall was Griffey Jr. tweaking an ankle I think it was.

StarStruck
08-24-2009, 09:00 PM
methinks some of the Dallas fans around here are pretty thin skinned about this new stadium.

I'm accustomed to weathering storms and keep the umbrella handy.
:)

Specnatz
08-24-2009, 09:51 PM
The best seats in the new cowgirls pad.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Two-great-seats-at-Cowboys-Stadium-if-you-happe?urn=nfl,184733

:spit:

CloakNNNdagger
08-24-2009, 09:58 PM
The best seats in the new cowgirls pad.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Two-great-seats-at-Cowboys-Stadium-if-you-happe?urn=nfl,184733

:spit:

Is that one of the $29 promotional seats Jeruh promised would be available?

ChampionTexan
08-24-2009, 10:03 PM
With that said, I would not be in favor of a pole in left field at MMP



Is that a veiled criticism of Carlos Lee?

WWJD
08-24-2009, 11:42 PM
You can stand in the end zone plazas for $29..there are no seats there.

StarStruck
08-25-2009, 12:17 AM
Is that one of the $29 promotional seats Jeruh promised would be available?

The Party Pass doesn't include seats. I didn't see the seats that appear to be behind the concrete, but the seats aren't affixed individually into the concrete, rather placed on a rod the length of the aisle, and the rods are bolted in place on each aisle.


http://insider.arlington.org/2009/08/01/dallas-cowboys-29-%E2%80%9Cparty-pass%E2%80%9D-for-first-4-home-games-on-sale-mon-aug-3rd-10am-central/

Carr Bombed
08-25-2009, 01:45 AM
The best seats in the new cowgirls pad.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Two-great-seats-at-Cowboys-Stadium-if-you-happe?urn=nfl,184733

:spit:

Alot of new stadiums (football and baseball) has a couple of seats like that. It's not that uncommon.

CloakNNNdagger
08-25-2009, 08:29 AM
Alot of new stadiums (football and baseball) has a couple of seats like that. It's not that uncommon.

All Jeruh needs to do is hang a couple more Best Buys TV's (added to the thousands already there) to the concrete walls.............fixed it!:tiphat:

CloakNNNdagger
08-25-2009, 08:45 AM
"Arrogant" is a weak word to describe the Girls' Girl.


As the conundrum presented by the oversized video board hanging 90 feet over the floor of the new Cowboys Stadium continues to hover over the NFL news like, well, an oversized video board hanging 90 feet over the floor of the new Cowboys Stadium, there's a growing feeling that the whole thing is about one thing.

Promoting the new Cowboys Stadium.

And, in turn, the Dallas Cowboys.

Amid reports that the league's Competition Committee will take up during a Tuesday conference call the thonry problem presented by punts careening off the structure that covers 60 yards of the field, from one 20 to the other, there's some evidence that Cowboys owner Jerry Jones plans to ultimately raise move the thing higher.

After milking the issue for all the ink it's worth.

Per News 8 in Austin, the band U2 already plans to pay the $2 million or so necessary to move the video board for an October concert, so that the group's massive stage will fit in Cowboys Stadium.

But there Jones is, quoted on the front page of the USA Today sports section, again articulating resistance to a move that he apparently realizes is inevitable. "I'm very comfortable that our height on our scoreboard is OK," Jones says.

That said, there's a chance that Jones will remain defiant, not because the thing can't be moved, but because he prefers to watch the video board from the owner's suite at its intended height. Indeed, a team spokesman recently said that, after the U2 concert, the video board will be returned to its current position.
Regardless of whether Jones will draw a line in the sand on this one, the reality is that the problem has focused plenty of attention on his brand new North Texas Football Cathedral.

Though some might think the attention isn't exactly good attention, Jones himself has acknowledged in the past that any opportunity to promote the brand is a good thing, regardless of whether it comes via a subject that some might regard as embarrassing.

LINK (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/25/video-board-issue-aimed-only-at-attention-for-new-venue/)



While Jones is adamant about keeping the video board at 90 feet, a few players said Monday the club probably should consider raising the video board.

"We can't have games going on for three and a half hours because we're re-kicking all the time," receiver/punt returner Patrick Crayton told reporters in Irving.

LINK (http://www.mysanantonio.com/54643842.html)

Texan_Bill
08-25-2009, 09:05 AM
While Jones is adamant about keeping the video board at 90 feet, a few players said Monday the club probably should consider raising the video board.

90 ft.?? That's only 30 yards. Punters often kick the ball as high (or higher) as they do far. That just doesn't make sense.

HoustonFrog
08-25-2009, 09:09 AM
Again, as much as you guys want to rip Jerry, the league minimum is 85 feet. He set it at 90. The league came in and approved it. So overall, they need to change the rules and redo the thing. I don't completely fault Jones for wanting the league to pay for it if they set the standard and then tell him that the standard is wrong. It should be moved. Considering he sued the league before...to get his Visa and Pepsi sponsor...I can see it happening again. The last time it worked for all involved. I don't agree with many things he does but somewhere the ball got dropped by many parties in the process.

Specnatz
08-25-2009, 09:41 AM
Again, as much as you guys want to rip Jerry, the league minimum is 85 feet. He set it at 90. The league came in and approved it. So overall, they need to change the rules and redo the thing. I don't completely fault Jones for wanting the league to pay for it if they set the standard and then tell him that the standard is wrong. It should be moved. Considering he sued the league before...to get his Visa and Pepsi sponsor...I can see it happening again. The last time it worked for all involved. I don't agree with many things he does but somewhere the ball got dropped by many parties in the process.

The issue is that most boards do not cover the entire field, so the league was dealing with specifications it has never had to deal with before.

HoustonFrog
08-25-2009, 09:57 AM
The issue is that most boards do not cover the entire field, so the league was dealing with specifications it has never had to deal with before.

And they should have realized this when they got approval for 90. Which is why everyone involved could have been more vigilant. Overall, as I've said alot, I hope it gets moved just so players/teams don't worry about it and everyone can enjoy the great new stadium without thinking about it.

Texan_Bill
08-25-2009, 10:00 AM
The issue is that most boards do not cover the entire field, so the league was dealing with specifications it has never had to deal with before.

Most boards?

What boards??? I don't know of another stadium that has anything hanging over the playing surface like an arena might. Forbes Field? No. Atlanta? No. Nola? No. St. Louis? No. Minnesota? No. Reliant? No. (except during rodeo, which obviously won't affect a football game).

Whoever with the League set the height at 85 feet is a dumbass. It may not affect McBriar, but what about strong legged punters that aren't used to punting around something?

CloakNNNdagger
08-25-2009, 10:05 AM
Again, as much as you guys want to rip Jerry, the league minimum is 85 feet. He set it at 90. The league came in and approved it. So overall, they need to change the rules and redo the thing. I don't completely fault Jones for wanting the league to pay for it if they set the standard and then tell him that the standard is wrong. It should be moved. Considering he sued the league before...to get his Visa and Pepsi sponsor...I can see it happening again. The last time it worked for all involved. I don't agree with many things he does but somewhere the ball got dropped by many parties in the process.


That argument doesn't seem to hold water. As I posted above, the $2 million are being absorbed by U2 Ofor the October concert (That would have already been taken care of by contract for venue).

Per News 8 in Austin, the band U2 already plans to pay the $2 million or so necessary to move the video board for an October concert, so that the group's massive stage will fit in Cowboys Stadium.
But there Jones is, quoted on the front page of the USA Today sports section, again articulating resistance to a move that he apparently realizes is inevitable. "I'm very comfortable that our height on our scoreboard is OK," Jones says.

That said, there's a chance that Jones will remain defiant, not because the thing can't be moved, but because he prefers to watch the video board from the owner's suite at its intended height. Indeed, a team spokesman recently said that, after the U2 concert, the video board will be returned to its current position.

HoustonFrog
08-25-2009, 10:18 AM
That argument doesn't seem to hold water. As I posted above, the $2 million are being absorbed by U2 Ofor the October concert (That would have already been taken care of by contract for venue).

Well fine then if they are paying to move it up. I knew U2 was getting it moved. Either way, it still doesn't fall on JJ all the way since he basically followed a set rule...in fact he bested it by 5 feet. Now if he lowers it again to be stubborn....then he needs to get it done on his own.


Whoever with the League set the height at 85 feet is a dumbass. It may not affect McBriar, but what about strong legged punters that aren't used to punting around something?

And the Cowboys have the SD punter and Lechler coming to town this year. Both can easily hit it that high.

WWJD
08-25-2009, 04:52 PM
Well fine then if they are paying to move it up. I knew U2 was getting it moved. Either way, it still doesn't fall on JJ all the way since he basically followed a set rule...in fact he bested it by 5 feet. Now if he lowers it again to be stubborn....then he needs to get it done on his own.



And the Cowboys have the SD punter and Lechler coming to town this year. Both can easily hit it that high.

I think it's Vince's fault..

he was there. He should have raised it before he left.

Wolf
08-25-2009, 05:18 PM
hopefully Michael Vick doesn't throw it in the stadium
:tease:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cu8XNJmQsCI

so maybe the cowboys could make it like arena football.. play it off of the screen

:smiliedance:

CloakNNNdagger
08-25-2009, 10:15 PM
Stretch keeps on stretching it. LINK (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/25/jerry-jones-defends-his-low-hanging-video-board-again/)



Seems like there is some validation to the theory I proposed earlier in the thread.


ftomeo says:
August 25, 2009 5:38 PM
I've seen a few mention it obliquely but few are saying it outright: what Jerry wants to preserve isn't his vision of the stadium, it's his VIP skybox ticket prices. What happens when every VIP sold on a box that had its own drive-in movie theatre taking up the full expanse of the box window discovers they have to now sit close to the box railing and look up to see the video screen? Or when only 30 people in the Club Bar can see the massive screen instead of 300 people? That's Jerry's big problem (and the league's for approving the monstrosity). Not the one-time cost of moving it, the permanent cost of disrupting the sightlines created for the most expensive boxes and highest profit areas around the stadium... Has nothing to do with what's going on on the field, or even promoting the stadium before making a change... Jerry really does stand to lose big time if the video screen is moved. Far more than the 2 million to move it one time. I'm sure his architects have already produced new drawings of what the sightlines will be with the screen moved up ten feet, and Jerry can feel his money slipping away...


VoxVeritas says:
August 25, 2009 6:09 PM
"I've seen a few mention it obliquely but few are saying it outright: what Jerry wants to preserve isn't his vision of the stadium, it's his VIP skybox ticket prices."

Raising the boards would affect the viewing angle from the stands very little. Besides, the really expensive boxes are at field level.


ftomeo says:
August 25, 2009 7:22 PM
"Raising the boards would affect the viewing angle from the stands very little. Besides, the really expensive boxes are at field level."

God, Vox, I thought everyone was calling you an ***** because of your obnoxious views, not because you really are an *****. The stands are not the luxury boxes. The luxury boxes are above the club seating and are only below the nosebleed section. The Club section is not more expensive the lower it is, it is more expensive the closer it is to the 50. The actual clubs, bars, and other non-football-related distractions were all designed to have the videoscreens framed by the huge windows of the bars and other high revenue areas for maximum viewing -- have seen it in every lame tour Jerry has provided. So stop talking out of your ass, please.

HoustonFrog
08-25-2009, 10:40 PM
Stretch keeps on stretching it. LINK (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/25/jerry-jones-defends-his-low-hanging-video-board-again/)



Seems like there is some validation to the theory I proposed earlier in the thread.

I wouldn't call comments on an article validation. They are about as good as any of our comments.

WWJD
08-25-2009, 10:51 PM
Bono is coming to save the day..I'm sure between now and then Jerry will pick up his red NFL phone and get the word to PLEASE keep it up higher after the concert.

Till then bombs away!

gwallaia
08-25-2009, 11:34 PM
I bet teams go for it on 4th down more in Arlington this season.

StarStruck
08-26-2009, 01:11 AM
Looks as though I need to make the trip up there sooner than planned just to see what all the fuss is about. The open house basically provided a walk through, so now that we're in it will be good to see first hand the action on the field and how the quality of our video enhancements can be best utilized.

Tedc
08-26-2009, 06:32 AM
I wonder how many times a game Jerry has instructed his video people to plaster his ugly overstretched grandma Walton/Michael Jackson-like mug on the thing?

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y224/Tedc/Madame200.jpg

CloakNNNdagger
08-26-2009, 08:29 AM
I wouldn't call comments on an article validation. They are about as good as any of our comments.

Touche! :tiphat: "Validation" was probably not the best choice of words. But, certainly a "local" has made logical supportive statements.

CloakNNNdagger
08-28-2009, 10:46 AM
Money talks, BS walks..............no, keeps on stretching.

League officially announces "do over" rule (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/28/league-officially-announces-do-over-rule/)


The NFL formally has announced the rule that will apply to the Cowboys video board in 2009.

Here's the official text of the new rule.

1. If a ball in play strikes a video board, guide wire, sky cam, or any other object, the ball will be dead immediately, and the down will be replayed at the previous spot.

2. If there is not an on-field ruling that the ball struck an object, the Replay Assistant is empowered to initiate a booth review, including if the event occurs prior to the two-minute warning. If, prior to the two-minute warning, no booth review is initiated by the Replay Assistant, a coach's challenge is permitted under the customary procedures for such a challenge.

3. In the event the down is replayed: (a) The game clock will be reset to the time remaining when the snap occurred. (b) All penalties will be disregarded, except for personal fouls which will be administered prior to replaying the down.

So there you have it. The board won't be moved during the 2009 season.

"We will continue to address the particular circumstances in Dallas, giving full consideration to the competitive, safety and fan experience issues involved," Commissioner Roger Goodell said in the news release. "The Cowboys have been fully cooperative as we have addressed this subject, and we will continue to work closely with the club on a longer term resolution."

HoustonFrog
08-28-2009, 10:47 AM
Looks like the league isn't telling him to make it go away

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4428556

Basically, it's a do-over.

The NFL has ruled on what happens if footballs hit the massive video display board that hangs over the field at Cowboys Stadium.

The down will be replayed and the clock will be reset.

The replay official will have the power to institute a booth review without a coach's challenge to determine if a ball has hit the video board.

Coaches, however, can also throw a red flag to challenge on close plays.

Commissioner Roger Goodell said that the Cowboys have been very cooperative and that the league and the team will continue to work on a long-term solution to the issue.

Chris Mortensen is a senior NFL analyst for ESPN.

Specnatz
08-28-2009, 11:41 AM
If one of Jerrys players gets hurt on a do over he will look really F'n stupid. Almost makes you wish for that, I said almost.

StarStruck
08-28-2009, 01:02 PM
It will be interesting to see the kicks this weekend and how high they will extend. I plan to be there and see it live.

HoustonFrog
08-28-2009, 01:13 PM
It will be interesting to see the kicks this weekend and how high they will extend. I plan to be there and see it live.

At the scrimmage or practice at the stadium McBriar said he hit 25 punts and none got close. He said he doesn't kick it high and down the middle so he doesn't come close.

If one of Jerrys players gets hurt on a do over he will look really F'n stupid. Almost makes you wish for that, I said almost.

The league is sticking to it too. I'd be more worried about a do-over getting blocked. But I think it will be less of an issue than people think. As for getting hurt, etc..I never wish that on any team and from what I said above I don't ever think the Cowboys punter will hit it.

WWJD
08-28-2009, 01:13 PM
Jimmy Johnson said on 610 yest that he wouldn't move it...Jerry said he's not moving it...the commish said he doesn't have to move it...Bono said he will pay to move it.

HoustonFrog
08-28-2009, 01:15 PM
Jimmy Johnson said on 610 yest that he wouldn't move it...Jerry said he's not moving it...the commish said he doesn't have to move it...Bono said he will pay to move it.

Glad to hear Jimmy talked to Vanderdork and Clanton. Stop listening to them eons ago.

El Tejano
08-28-2009, 01:20 PM
Once it hurts Michael Vick or Favres chances of winning. It will be removed!

WWJD
08-28-2009, 01:25 PM
Glad to hear Jimmy talked to Vanderdork and Clanton. Stop listening to them eons ago.

he was promoting something..designated driving or something like that I think.

Jimmy is an interesting guy. He's changed alot from COACH JJ. New man.

CloakNNNdagger
08-28-2009, 01:46 PM
Just the beginning (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/28/do-over-ruling-sends-temperatures-rising/):

"Do over" ruling sends temperatures rising

We still plan to defer our own opinions regarding the league's decision to leave the video board at Cowboys Stadium in its current location to this afternoon's round of PFTV segments.

But that doesn't mean we won't be sharing the opinions we obtain from league sources who see fit to express their opinions to us.

"It's laughable," one source said regarding the decision to apply the "do over" approach if/when punts strike the monstrous, four-sided structure that hovers 90 feet over the playing surface and extends from one 20 to the other. "It's absolute bullshit."

The source then rattled off the various problems that can and will arise from an approach that requires a team to punt multiple times.

As we've previously pointed out, the gunners will be gassed. The punt returner, however, likely will be fresh.

Also, the chess match regarding punt protection and punt rush will have been compromised by the scuttled play, with each head coach having to decide whether to change things up or go with the same plan on the second try.

Gaffes on the "do over" effort -- such as bad snaps and missed blocks leading to a blocked punt -- will be magnified by the fact that they didn't happen the first time around. So if the second kick is blocked and returned for a touchdown when the first punt got off cleanly (until it was blocked by the mother ship), how will that not be perceived as an event that helps to determine the outcome of a game?

The source also pointed out that, apart from the competitive consequences, no one has taken responsibility for the situation.

"Who screwed up?" the source said. "There needs to be public accountability for this mistake. . . . The league and the Cowboys are sweeping the whole thing under the rug."

The source went on to explain that this case is a prime example of the reason for the animosity that often exists between "football people" (who are criticized openly and harshly for blunders made in selecting or coaching players) and front-office/league office types who never face public scrutiny for their mistakes.

And, as mistakes go, the source said this is a huge one.

HoustonFrog
08-28-2009, 01:49 PM
Just the beginning (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/28/do-over-ruling-sends-temperatures-rising/):

I think the huff over it is a joke. Should it be raised at some point?Yes. Are punters going to just start blasting it off the board...not even close.

Specnatz
08-28-2009, 02:00 PM
I think the huff over it is a joke. Should it be raised at some point?Yes. Are punters going to just start blasting it off the board...not even close.

It only takes it to happen once.

HoustonFrog
08-28-2009, 02:10 PM
It only takes it to happen once.

And like I said, it is cool if they raise it and no one talks about it. A preference for me. But as was talked about a few posts earlier, Jimmy Johnson, the league and many others see no problem with it so its not like JJ is just doing it on purpose. He followed the league rules..85 feet or above. The league looked it over and approved it. After last week they approved it again. I'm not sure what else has to be done. As a Cowboy fan I blast Jones alot but I kind of agree with him that I've yet to see punters in the last few years who kick it straight up and down the middle. We will see what happens.

he was promoting something..designated driving or something like that I think.

Jimmy is an interesting guy. He's changed alot from COACH JJ. New man.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4428556

Former Cowboys coach Jimmy Johnson was in the stadium Thursday.

"If there's anything wrong, it's that people are going to watch the video board and not the game," Johnson said. "It is so dominating, but I think it's so cool. I think it's great."

CloakNNNdagger
09-05-2009, 09:26 PM
ESPN is reporting that the BYU (BYU vs. Oklahoma) punter hit the video board in practice. The game is to follow.

GP
09-06-2009, 12:02 AM
If Jerry Jones has to get rid of it, I'll take it.

LOL.

What if it was for sale on Craigslist or ebay? That'd be hilarious.

WWJD
09-06-2009, 12:26 PM
Jerry doesn't care that the BYU punter hit the video board in warmups..

he's probably pretty happy today. For the first college game in the new stadium he got two ranked teams playing to a thrilling finish for the whole country to watch.

I think he made a few million yest. That's what he cares about.

Silver Oak
09-06-2009, 06:29 PM
Jerry's an ass, and the video thing is hideous, but big props to the Cowboys for drafting and taking Stephen McGee on to their roster this season.

:jumpbanan

StarStruck
09-06-2009, 06:56 PM
Jerry's an ass, and the video thing is hideous, but big props to the Cowboys for drafting and taking Stephen McGee on to their roster this season.

:jumpbanan
Perhaps
It could be hideous to some and a feeling of graditude for the visually impaired, me. Therefore I love it.

NitroGSXR
09-06-2009, 08:10 PM
Jerry's an ass, and the video thing is hideous, but big props to the Cowboys for drafting and taking Stephen McGee on to their roster this season.

:jumpbanan

I'd be stoked if the Texans could put that thing in Reliant. I love it.

Silver Oak
09-06-2009, 08:14 PM
Perhaps
It could be hideous to some and a feeling of graditude for the visually impaired, me. Therefore I love it.

I don't have great eyesight either. Binoculars work well...try 'em.

NitroGSXR
09-06-2009, 08:26 PM
I wonder if Jerry has ever quietly let himself into the stadium at night with a Jenna Jameson flick under his arm.

Wolf
09-06-2009, 09:20 PM
I wonder if Jerry has ever quietly let himself into the stadium at night with a Jenna Jameson flick under his arm.

I am sure skeletor is making good use of the big TV with some old fashion She-ra princess of power

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3170/2885960593_6c2a70a52e.jpg

StarStruck
09-06-2009, 11:26 PM
I don't have great eyesight either. Binoculars work well...try 'em.

BINOCULARS??? Those awkward things instead of 60 yards of HD, only in case of emergeny.