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02-07-2005, 04:01 PM
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February 3, 2005

Patrick Surtain hits the trade block
By Brian DeLucia

It comes as no surprise that Dolphins’ cornerback Patrick Surtain hits the trade market as speculated in recent months. It is not an easy decision to part ways with a Pro Bowl type cornerback who makes a lot of plays, but inflexibility with the salary cap looking ahead forced Miami’s hands.

Surtain is an excellent excellent cover guy with natural body control and is very smooth in transition. He displays great burst to recover downfield and make plays on the ball. Surtain also possesses tremendous ball skills and thus creates a lot of turnovers. Despite his average size, Surtain has been strong in press coverage and has been a sure tackler in run support. He also does a good job playing the slot.

The one concern when evaluating Surtain has been injuries. He has suffered a lot of leg injuries over the past few years and some question his conditioning habits. With Surtain turning 29 by the time training camps open this summer, some teams could be concerned about his effectiveness over the long-term.

But make no doubt about it, teams that need a lift in their secondary to reach the next level will be strongly considering Surtain.

The Kansas City Chiefs could be one of those teams. Surtain’s press skills and ability to create turnovers could be intriguing within Gunther Cunningham’s defense.

Cincinnati and Jacksonville could also be intriguing fits to take their defenses to another level. Another intriguing match could be the Dallas Cowboys if they look to make a big splash on the veteran market.


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Could Houston be interested in Patrick Surtain? I know the Texans havs GREAT corners but Aaron Glenn is getting really old. 33 next year. Surtain would be GREAT in the good and young Texan's defense. Robinson or Glenn at NB you guys have the number one or two 3-4 defense in the league! :whoohoo:


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The latest on Vikings' Moss
If the reports that the Vikings are allowing WR Randy Moss to seek a trade are true, then the Jets may be interested. Moss was teammates with Jets QB Chad Pennington, the Jets' starting quarterback. However, the Newark Star-Ledger reports that Moss' character and salary may be a deal-killer.


Team by Team
Arizona Cardinals Updated:02/04/2005
Coach Dennis Green feels confident that the Cards will come to terms with WR Anquan Boldin on a contract extension, according to the East Valley Tribune. Boldin says he wants a new deal instead of an extension.

Cleveland Browns Updated:02/02/2005
Romeo Crennel is expected to be named the Browns' new coach on Monday, according to several reports. Crennel, himself, is not saying anything, according to the Hartford Courant.

Green Bay Packers Updated:02/02/2005
Packer WR Donald Driver, speaking to a radio audience during Super Bowl week festivities in Jacksonville, Fla., is convinced that QB Brett Favre will retire. Favre, himself, has not rendered a decision on his future. He would be entering his 14th season in Green Bay and his 15th overall.

Indianapolis Colts Updated:02/02/2005
Quarterback Peyton Manning said on the Late Show with David Letterman he'd be willing to make the necessary financial arrangements in order to help the Colts re-sign running back Edgerrin James.

Miami Dolphins Updated:02/02/2005
Patrick Surtain was allowed to seek a trade by the Dolphins after the two sides failed to come to terms on a contract extension, according to several South Florida reports. The Palm Beach Post reports that Buffalo, Minnesota, Kansas City and Indianapolis are interested.

Minnesota Vikings Updated:02/07/2005
The Minneapolis Star Tribune reports that the Vikings continue to deny reports that WR Randy Moss is on the trading block. However, the Newark Star-Ledger reports that Moss have been given permission to seek a trade.

New England Patriots Updated:02/04/2005
Pats owner Robert Kraft said the team will ultimately approach re-signing QB Tom Brady, according to the Providence Journal.

New York Jets Updated:02/07/2005
If the reports that the Vikings are allowing WR Randy Moss to seek a trade are true, then the Jets may be interested. Moss was teammates with Jets QB Chad Pennington, the Jets' starting quarterback. However, the Newark Star-Ledger reports that Moss' character and salary may be a deal-killer.

Pittsburgh Steelers Updated:02/02/2005
Running back Jerome Bettis is unsure whether he'll return next season and is going to wait to make a decision, according to the Pittsburgh Tribune Review.

Tampa Bay Buccaneers Updated: 2/03/2005
Wide receiver Jerry Porter is said to be eyeing Tampa Bay for his destination in the off-season. He has also said that he would like to stay a Raider. Porter played under present Tampa Bay coach Jon Gruden for his first 2 years in the league. Rod Gardener could be heading to Tampa Bay in exchange for a draft pick. Gardener has been disapointing in D.C being a 1st round pick in 2000 out of Clemson. The Redskins are said to be looking for a 3rd or 4th round pick.

THEFUTURE
02-07-2005, 04:06 PM
no on Surtain, too much money for the Texans to take him, and would be getting paid to much to play a nickel, Faggins is cheaper and is a pretty good in the nickel formations, we should just focus on resigning him... and he wouldnt push Glenn or DROB out of a starting spot, both are better CB, and Glenn will have a couple more solid years as a starter, and if he doesnt retire after 2 years, he may serve as a valuable nickel

TexansTrueFan
02-07-2005, 04:12 PM
if we are looking at a corner to eventually replace gleen i say we pick one up in the draft, not this year but i'd say next, cause glenn still has 2 or 3 years left in him.

Porky
02-07-2005, 04:15 PM
In 2003, I would have said Glenn was better than Surtain, but I really noticed that Glenn had a pretty sharp fall off last year. He was better than the average run of the mill corner, but nowhere near pro-bowl level. Surtain would be a major upgrade at this point in their respective careers. The questions are for how much, and for how long. Surtain may find himself in Glenn's shoes in the next 3-5 years. We need to be careful about long term contracts for guys like Surtain that rely so much on speed and quickness.

THEFUTURE
02-07-2005, 04:20 PM
Sutain is not worth it, there is no point, Glenn is still to good to play NB, and DROB definatly wont... so its pointless to pay 3 or more million or however much he will want a year to have him sit on the bench and play maybe a bit more than a third of the plays in the game, not worth it... and if the Texans were ignorant enough to, by the time Glenn retired and Surtain became a starter, he would be around 31, and in the same position we are in now with glenn... i agree with TexansTrueFan, on next year, but maybe in the later rounds we look around at a CB this year, but not with the first 4 rounds, most likely next year

THEFUTURE
02-07-2005, 04:33 PM
http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/playerrankings/regularseason/DB?&start_row=51

this is like the 3rd time i have placed this link, but until you go and find be a CB that plays the CB better then Glenn that is a FA, then its not worth the arguement... Faggins put up better numbers then Surtain

D-ReK
02-07-2005, 04:34 PM
Sutain is not worth it, there is no point...

Enough said...

Porky
02-07-2005, 04:43 PM
How can someone be too good to play a position? If he fits within the budget, then go get him. I think he would supplant Glenn as the starter. Glenn lived on his reputation last year. He was a good corner, but not the Glenn of 2002 or even 2003, not anything special. Robinson was our best corner imo. We need three really good corners. Look at Miami for years with three very good corners. We play Indy twice a year, and you want Faggins to play nickel? In addition, moving Glenn to nickel provides better overall depth, and may even extend his career. :howdy:

THEFUTURE
02-07-2005, 04:57 PM
so you would rather go around and spend pointless money on a guy we dont need, and not go spend that money is other places like the OL or DE or whatever else the Texans need to address... as of last year, Glenn was heads and shoulders above Surtain, if anyone is playing on their name alone it was Surtain... and Glenn had a better year than last year, look it up... so did Faggins, and he did not play as many snaps

Porky
02-07-2005, 05:08 PM
I don't look at stats. I look at the play on the field. Obvisouely, I saw more of Glenn than Surtain. Stats are not the best barometer to measure a corner. I would bet that Faggins had better stats than Champ Bailey too, but I don't think you have to guess which I would rather have. Remember, I said IF he fits within all the budget constraints, and still allows us to upgrade other areas. But, it's just silly to suggest that having three good corners is not worth exploring.

THEFUTURE
02-08-2005, 12:17 AM
no champs numbers were better overall, and glenn is one of the biggest leaders for the Texans D, he needs to be out there, and there is no IF he fits, he wouldnt, he would take up almost what maybe 3 to 4 mil a year... he isnt worth paying that much for... and when you find me a better measuring tool that works more often then comparing stats let me know... but glenn is the consumate pro, surtain couldnt hold glenn's jock strap

infantrycak
02-08-2005, 08:51 AM
and when you find me a better measuring tool that works more often then comparing stats let me know...

There probably isn't a position that stats less well indicate performance than CB and it real simple why--do your job well enough and you don't get any. Blanket your guy and the ball gets thrown somewhere esle so no INT, no pass defensed and no tackle. Different stats are needed to judge CB's--% of passes thrown to man covered by the CB, % of those passes completed, % of passes thrown that are deflected, % of passes thrown that are INT's.

TheOgre
02-08-2005, 09:13 AM
If there is one free agent I would love to see us get, it is Walter Jones. Carr will never feel safe in the pocket until we have a reliable LT.