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Wolf
08-16-2009, 10:12 AM
it is on NFL network right now..


thought maybe some would post more insight after watching it again and seeing more things

Kimmy
08-16-2009, 10:15 AM
The picture quality is MUCH better!

Wolf
08-16-2009, 10:15 AM
cassel was making some really tight throws

Wolf
08-16-2009, 10:16 AM
jacoby didn't sell that very well (understatement)

Wolf
08-16-2009, 10:23 AM
that was a horrible fumble by brown ..

Drew_Smoke
08-16-2009, 10:24 AM
The picture quality is MUCH better!

Exactly! Ch 13 sucks. The video was terrible and the audio was off sync.

They need to bump up the quality or get lost!

Wolf
08-16-2009, 10:28 AM
Besides the fumble brown looked good, the backside was open IF he can stay healthy .. I will be very excited :fans:

Maddict5
08-16-2009, 10:31 AM
was posting in the wrong thread:

first drive i was watching duane. looked decent except for one stuffed running play where he blocked nobody

amobi quick off the snap the first series. alot of quick throws so no real pass rush opportunities. pretty solid against the run

duane was alot better this drive. there was one play he blocked nobody again but especially in the RZ he was driving guys really far back. looks really comfortable in pass protection

Maddict5
08-16-2009, 10:33 AM
good ST tackle by 29 (quin? or mccain i cant remember)

Wolf
08-16-2009, 10:36 AM
that was a nice stop, so glad robinson is ok

xavier with the cleanup

TexansSeminole
08-16-2009, 10:38 AM
Deljuan Robinson made a huge hit in the backfield but looked to be a little woosy afterward.

Wolf
08-16-2009, 10:38 AM
nice read by smith

Maddict5
08-16-2009, 10:39 AM
nice penetration by deljuan. adibi & the rest of the D flies to the ball

Wolf
08-16-2009, 10:42 AM
I can't tell who we have on the line now.. and if we made changes
saw

77,52,78,63,64 ?(not in any order obviously)

Maddict5
08-16-2009, 10:46 AM
turk couldve ran that one too!

Wolf
08-16-2009, 10:50 AM
there was big frank with pressure

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/74/fullj.1c98101ea8c5886b8b84d02e1455a7b4/1c98101ea8c5886b8b84d02e1455a7b4-getty-.jpg

Wolf
08-16-2009, 10:51 AM
jacoby has to quit dancing

TexansSeminole
08-16-2009, 10:55 AM
Adibi did a good job to chase Cassel after he ran out of the pocket on that 3rd down play.

Orlovsky does not look good.

Lucky
08-16-2009, 10:57 AM
This would have ben a good spot for the Texans to work on the short yardage offense. No guts, no glory.

Maddict5
08-16-2009, 11:00 AM
This would have ben a good spot for the Texans to work on the short yardage offense. No guts, no glory.

the backups dont really need to work on that much though do they? especialy considering 2/3 of those guys are making the 53

Lucky
08-16-2009, 11:01 AM
I liked how Quin stuck his nose in on the running play.

Yankee_In_TX
08-16-2009, 11:04 AM
The picture quality is MUCH better!

!!!

Stupid CH 13. And the KC broadcasters aren't skipping plays.

Maddict5
08-16-2009, 11:05 AM
didnt realise deljuan came back so quickly. was out there for cassels fumble

Lucky
08-16-2009, 11:06 AM
6:00 minutes left in the 2nd, and the Chiefs still have the starting defense in???

Maddict5
08-16-2009, 11:08 AM
6:00 minutes left in the 2nd, and the Chiefs still have the starting defense in???

...and our backups are moving the ball

76Texan
08-16-2009, 11:12 AM
6:00 minutes left in the 2nd, and the Chiefs still have the starting defense in???

Their HC Haley said the 1st team would play into the 2nd qtr (but not all)
Don't know how he mix them up or if he mix them up or not.

Lucky
08-16-2009, 11:13 AM
...and our backups are moving the ball
Eh, our backups were so-so. Orlovsky, in particular.

Barwin just blew by Branden Albert.

Maddict5
08-16-2009, 11:15 AM
someone else said it in the gameday thread but that was a nice fake spin move by barwin for the sack

76Texan
08-16-2009, 11:15 AM
Did I just hear they say that Barwin's sack was on Taylor, not Albert?

Maddict5
08-16-2009, 11:16 AM
Eh, our backups were so-so. Orlovsky, in particular.



i know they didnt play great but they still got a fg v a starting D

TexansSeminole
08-16-2009, 11:17 AM
These KC commentators are probably the worst NFL commentators I have ever heard.

TexansSeminole
08-16-2009, 11:18 AM
Did I just hear they say that Barwin's sack was on Taylor, not Albert?

It was on Albert. These commentators are so bad they don't even know their own players.

Lucky
08-16-2009, 11:22 AM
i know they didnt play great but they still got a fg v a starting D
They got the ball on the Chiefs 24 following the fumble.

These KC commentators are probably the worst NFL commentators I have ever heard.
Wait until the 2nd half, and you'll hear the absolute worst. The Channel 13 team.

76Texan
08-16-2009, 11:24 AM
Anybody notices that Shaun Cody can penetrate?
I don't remember the particular, but I'm pretty sure he was in the backfield a few times.

Maddict5
08-16-2009, 11:24 AM
They got the ball on the Chiefs 24 following the fumble.


oh yeah oops

quin with some pop in his hits

76Texan
08-16-2009, 11:29 AM
Anybody notices that Shaun Cody can penetrate?
I don't remember the particular, but I'm pretty sure he was in the backfield a few times.

I thought I just saw #95 pressuring on that second down before halftime.
Anybody has DVR to replay that down?

Lucky
08-16-2009, 11:30 AM
1st Half Quickie Analysis:

It's gonna be a looooong year for the Chiefs.

Lucky
08-16-2009, 11:33 AM
I thought the NFL Network replayed the visitor broadcast in the 2nd half???

Not that I'm complaining...

Wolf
08-16-2009, 11:35 AM
maybe I can feel better about our secondary in the 2nd half, esp without any beer googles on.. and we seemed to give up some runs up the middle (mainly thigpen scrambling)

I wasn't happy with the secondary . I know they are 3rd -4th stringers but all I could think of is that if Bennett went down with injury or another players, these 3rd stringers become 2nd stringers quickly


maybe I am expecting too much and maybe it is because I have waited for football since last year so I am being unrealistic

76Texan
08-16-2009, 11:35 AM
I thought the NFL Network replayed the visitor broadcast in the 2nd half???

Not that I'm complaining...
They did the local channel a favor, LOL!

76Texan
08-16-2009, 11:38 AM
maybe I can feel better about our secondary in the 2nd half, esp without any beer googles on.. and we seemed to give up some runs up the middle (mainly thigpen scrambling)

I wasn't happy with the secondary . I know they are 3rd -4th stringers but all I could think of is that if Bennett went down with injury or another players, these 3rd stringers become 2nd stringers quickly


maybe I am expecting too much and maybe it is because I have waited for football since last year so I am being unrealistic

You answered your own question already! :cool:
Our secondary was bumped up the depth chart all around.

Wolf
08-16-2009, 11:40 AM
brady had a bonehead play.. good thing for preseason

Lucky
08-16-2009, 11:42 AM
I wasn't happy with the secondary . I know they are 3rd -4th stringers but all I could think of is that if Bennett went down with injury or another players, these 3rd stringers become 2nd stringers quickly
1 thing to consider is that the Chiefs used Bowe & Bradley vs the 2nd unit of the Texans. Those guys are likely the starters for the Chiefs in the regular season. Our young guys were just a little outclassed. Good experience for them, though...and they didn't give up any real big plays.

Wolf
08-16-2009, 11:42 AM
big frank knocking it down


I am glad they are working him A LOT on this game.. I hope he gets it in gear

Wolf
08-16-2009, 11:42 AM
1 thing to consider is that the Chiefs used Bowe & Bradley vs the 2nd unit of the Texans. Those guys are likely the starters for the Chiefs in the regular season. Our young guys were just a little outclassed. Good experience for them, though...and they didn't give up any real big plays.

very true lucky.

TexansSeminole
08-16-2009, 11:47 AM
Not a good throw there by Orlovsky. That would normally be a pick.

Lucky
08-16-2009, 11:58 AM
Not a good throw there by Orlovsky. That would normally be a pick.
Dan-O was staring down receivers, last night. Didn't notice that during the camp practices I attended.

Specnatz
08-16-2009, 12:09 PM
Dan-O was staring down receivers, last night. Didn't notice that during the camp practices I attended.

I think he was trying to hard. Every little mistake he was very emphatic in his demonstrations of displeasure's. As if he was afraid of just going with his instincts and releasing the ball with confidence. It maybe because of how hard he has been working on doing things differently than what he was taught in Detroit.

Wolf
08-16-2009, 12:13 PM
who was that missed thigpen on that near sack?

76Texan
08-16-2009, 12:15 PM
who was that missed thigpen on that near sack?

I can't see!

Wolf
08-16-2009, 12:21 PM
I think Turk has more speed that sage had (remember that bootleg last year for a score that took A LOOOOONNNGGG time to get to paydirt)

Lucky
08-16-2009, 12:25 PM
who was that missed thigpen on that near sack?
Okam.

I would love to have Kubiak & Shanny work with Thigpen. He has more raw ability than any of the KC QBs.

Wolf
08-16-2009, 12:27 PM
Okam.

I would love to have Kubiak & Shanny work with Thigpen. He has more raw ability than any of the KC QBs.

true, he could run that bootleg if needed to be

76Texan
08-16-2009, 12:28 PM
a little more than 9 mins to go.
Who was that getting close to the QB on the right edge (ours)?

Wolf
08-16-2009, 12:28 PM
horrible missed tackle

Jackie Chiles
08-16-2009, 12:31 PM
I thought the NFL Network replayed the visitor broadcast in the 2nd half???

Not that I'm complaining...

I watched the highlights of the game on NFL.com late last night and for the Chief highlights they had their announcers, for the Texan highlights there was no audio at all. Technical difficulties im guessing, likely on the part of channel 13. That might explain why they stuck with the KC announcers the whole time (or did they, Im not watching the replay).

76Texan
08-16-2009, 12:31 PM
horrible missed tackle

Bad angle.

Wolf
08-16-2009, 12:32 PM
irritates me that I went to get something to eat earlier and missed casey's one handed grab

Wolf
08-16-2009, 12:35 PM
here is your pass interference pic

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/getty/2009/09000d5d811ee9df_gallery_600.jpg

http://www.nfl.com/photo/photo-gallery?chronicleId=09000d5d811e938f

76Texan
08-16-2009, 12:35 PM
irritates me that I went to get something to eat earlier and missed casey's one handed grab

A beauty!

76Texan
08-16-2009, 12:36 PM
here is your pass interference pic


I don't like that call.
Who made that call? The guy in the back or on the side?

Maddict5
08-16-2009, 12:37 PM
here is your pass interference pic

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/getty/2009/09000d5d811ee9df_gallery_600.jpg

http://www.nfl.com/photo/photo-gallery?chronicleId=09000d5d811e938f

terrible call

False Start
08-16-2009, 12:42 PM
At least these announcers haven't called us "Texas" yet, its sad I cant say that for the hometown guys. Tillman dropped Texas a few times last night. :ok:

Wolf
08-16-2009, 12:43 PM
I didn't see who tipped that ball
almost got that punt

76Texan
08-16-2009, 12:45 PM
I thought Pittman had a few good moments.

Wolf
08-16-2009, 12:52 PM
I was disappointed in our offense in 4th quarter even if it were 3rd string versus 3rd string.

have to put the game away when you get the ball with 2:02 minutes left and only used 32 seconds and had give the ball back

76Texan
08-16-2009, 12:57 PM
I was disappointed in our offense in 4th quarter even if it were 3rd string versus 3rd string.

have to put the game away when you get the ball with 2:02 minutes left and only used 32 seconds and had give the ball back

We wanted to see more of the young guys in the secondary! :cool:

DavidC
08-16-2009, 12:57 PM
that was a horrible fumble by brown ..

They mentioned that fumble in the writeup in the Chronicle this morning as well. Since there was a horse collar on that play, does it even count as a fumble? If Studdard didn't recover, the Texans would still have the ball with the 10 yard penalty after the run, right?

Lucky
08-16-2009, 01:00 PM
If Studdard didn't recover, the Texans would still have the ball with the 10 yard penalty after the run, right?
That's correct.

b0ng
08-16-2009, 01:07 PM
They mentioned that fumble in the writeup in the Chronicle this morning as well. Since there was a horse collar on that play, does it even count as a fumble? If Studdard didn't recover, the Texans would still have the ball with the 10 yard penalty after the run, right?

But, since Studdard did recover and there was positive yardage to it they count it as a fumble but not lost.

Preseason stats ahoy!

thunderkyss
08-16-2009, 01:22 PM
Deljuan Robinson made a huge hit in the backfield but looked to be a little woosy afterward.

If he continues to make plays like this from the NT position, he definitely needs to start ahead of TJ.

Amobi also looked good, I'd like to see TJ play that spot from time to time.

The Pencil Neck
08-16-2009, 02:17 PM
If he continues to make plays like this from the NT position, he definitely needs to start ahead of TJ.

Amobi also looked good, I'd like to see TJ play that spot from time to time.

I thought Cody had some good plays, too. Hopefully, this bodes well for the DT rotation.

AnthonyE
08-16-2009, 02:43 PM
Exactly! Ch 13 sucks. The video was terrible and the audio was off sync.

They need to bump up the quality or get lost!

Whenever I looked at the game clock, and I couldn't even read it. It was ridiculous.

m5kwatts
08-16-2009, 03:31 PM
I thought Cody had some good plays, too. Hopefully, this bodes well for the DT rotation.

Cody looked good I thought why was he cut from the Lions? I find it hard to believe Detroit has many better DT's than that guy. He had injuries there but man, he can be a part of our DT rotation. Unless he just played over his head in that game I like what he could possibly do, he was a 2nd round pick after all.

76Texan
08-16-2009, 03:54 PM
Cody looked good I thought why was he cut from the Lions? I find it hard to believe Detroit has many better DT's than that guy. He had injuries there but man, he can be a part of our DT rotation. Unless he just played over his head in that game I like what he could possibly do, he was a 2nd round pick after all.

He was an unrestricted free agent, and he wanted out of Detroit.

Brisco_County
08-16-2009, 05:52 PM
What's the point of kneeling the ball at the end of an exhibition game? Isn't the purpose of the game to get your guys practice, and not worry who wins? Just run some passing plays and let your offensive guys work on their timing and blocking.

Maddict5
08-16-2009, 05:55 PM
What's the point of kneeling the ball at the end of an exhibition game? Isn't the purpose of the game to get your guys practice, and not worry who wins? Just run some passing plays and let your offensive guys work on their timing and blocking.


smh... theres always one :)there were 30 odd seconds left

i think they had seen enough & they had plenty of injuries already. time to reward them for their play & get the win

m5kwatts
08-16-2009, 05:58 PM
He was an unrestricted free agent, and he wanted out of Detroit.

Ah makes sense, I thought he was cut.

Carr Bombed
08-16-2009, 06:26 PM
What's the point of kneeling the ball at the end of an exhibition game? Isn't the purpose of the game to get your guys practice, and not worry who wins? Just run some passing plays and let your offensive guys work on their timing and blocking.

what's the point in running another play and risking injury to your players in a meaningless game?

GP
08-16-2009, 08:36 PM
1 thing to consider is that the Chiefs used Bowe & Bradley vs the 2nd unit of the Texans. Those guys are likely the starters for the Chiefs in the regular season. Our young guys were just a little outclassed. Good experience for them, though...and they didn't give up any real big plays.

Or, there's some tape on our defense that they used against us...such as how we are easily beat on quick slant patterns.

We've got to drop a LB back into a shallow zone to intercept those passes, because the WR is breaking into the middle and has a freebie from the QB if our CBs continue to play off their man and allow inside position like that.

I also noticed us using a 5-2 defense at times in the second half. I don't remember that sort of look last season.

GP
08-16-2009, 08:41 PM
someone else said it in the gameday thread but that was a nice fake spin move by barwin for the sack

Yeah, he did a stutter step to the inside and then zoomed past Albert on the outside edge...by the time Albert tried to recover from the fake, Barwin darted around the outside and straight to the QB.

Babin always leaned way down, close to the ground, almost putting a hand on the ground to keep from falling down because he was so low and at such a steep angle to the ground. He was trying to get by the olineman, but the olineman could always push him down or shove him to the outside even further.

In contrast to Jason Babin, Connor Barwin is staying upright and using moves to make the olineman react...then Barwin uses the result of the move against the lineman.

He's going to be playing chess against his opponent, and it's going to wear on a lineman after awhile.

GP
08-16-2009, 08:44 PM
And, like I said last week: Robinson and Bulman are the two guys that I think are going to be an "X factor" for our defense.

I am afraid that TJ and Okoye are in trouble, but hoping that Okoye just needs some more rehab and healing time...and that TJ looks around and sees that he better make a move. Soon.

dalemurphy
08-16-2009, 08:53 PM
Or, there's some tape on our defense that they used against us...such as how we are easily beat on quick slant patterns.

We've got to drop a LB back into a shallow zone to intercept those passes, because the WR is breaking into the middle and has a freebie from the QB if our CBs continue to play off their man and allow inside position like that.

I also noticed us using a 5-2 defense at times in the second half. I don't remember that sort of look last season.

I think that's the much discussed 4-3 under... in which the SAM LB drops down on top of the TE.

GNTLEWOLF
08-16-2009, 09:11 PM
Or, there's some tape on our defense that they used against us...such as how we are easily beat on quick slant patterns.

We've got to drop a LB back into a shallow zone to intercept those passes, because the WR is breaking into the middle and has a freebie from the QB if our CBs continue to play off their man and allow inside position like that.
I also noticed us using a 5-2 defense at times in the second half. I don't remember that sort of look last season.

You are correct. Some LB is missing their read and that will cost us big time if Kubiak and the DC don't address that in meetings and practice.

GP
08-16-2009, 11:37 PM
I think that's the much discussed 4-3 under... in which the SAM LB drops down on top of the TE.

I see. Thanks.

GP
08-16-2009, 11:39 PM
You are correct. Some LB is missing their read and that will cost us big time if Kubiak and the DC don't address that in meetings and practice.

They burned us up on that little 5-yard quick slant.

Hopefully we're intentionally NOT covering it well, with the intention of baiting a future reg season opponent into thinking they can gameplan it.

I remember that little slant being a constant headache for our D last year.

NitroGSXR
08-17-2009, 12:49 AM
I think that's the much discussed 4-3 under... in which the SAM LB drops down on top of the TE.
I keep seeing that 5-2 formation. I saw it repeatedly in training camp and I saw it again against the Chiefs. How can it be a 4-3 Under if we have 5 men with their hands down?

I read the link that barrett posted a bit back about the 4-3 Under. I thought I somewhat understood it but if what you're saying is true then I obviously didn't. I took it to mean that the SLB lines up with the TE behind the rest of the DL but not with the LBs. Dropping down may be a good way to describe it but I think I'm a little confused. Dropping down means what exactly? Moving up closer to the line or putting hand on the ground? I think it means moving up closer but not lining up with the DL.

76Texan
08-17-2009, 02:14 AM
Or, there's some tape on our defense that they used against us...such as how we are easily beat on quick slant patterns.

We've got to drop a LB back into a shallow zone to intercept those passes, because the WR is breaking into the middle and has a freebie from the QB if our CBs continue to play off their man and allow inside position like that.



Tapes on guys who weren't even here last year?



I also noticed us using a 5-2 defense at times in the second half. I don't remember that sort of look last season.

You haven't been paying attention!

ObsiWan
08-17-2009, 03:11 AM
Orlovsky needs to work on going thru his progressions. As others have mentioned, he tended to stare down his intended receiver. And I never, never saw him look (or throw) to his left. On the failed 3rd down that led to our 2nd FG, he had Moats out in the left flat (at about the 7-8) with the closest defender 4-5 yds back in the endzone. No way that defender gets to Moats in time to break up the pass. And the way Moats was making people miss, that could well have been six. I hope they see this during the film breakdown.

dsorc
08-17-2009, 09:34 AM
I keep seeing that 5-2 formation. I saw it repeatedly in training camp and I saw it again against the Chiefs. How can it be a 4-3 Under if we have 5 men with their hands down?

I read the link that barrett posted a bit back about the 4-3 Under. I thought I somewhat understood it but if what you're saying is true then I obviously didn't. I took it to mean that the SLB lines up with the TE behind the rest of the DL but not with the LBs. Dropping down may be a good way to describe it but I think I'm a little confused. Dropping down means what exactly? Moving up closer to the line or putting hand on the ground? I think it means moving up closer but not lining up with the DL.
I don't think I saw the SLB with his hand down in those 5 man fronts. To me it almost looked like a standup DE lined up across from the TE or where the TE should be. SLB is supposed to be at the line but not with his hand down allowing him the flexibility of rushing like 3-4 OLB or jamming and turning with the TE.

NitroGSXR
08-17-2009, 02:22 PM
I don't think I saw the SLB with his hand down in those 5 man fronts. To me it almost looked like a standup DE lined up across from the TE or where the TE should be. SLB is supposed to be at the line but not with his hand down allowing him the flexibility of rushing like 3-4 OLB or jamming and turning with the TE.

I'm fairly certain I saw all five with their hands down but I will go back to the DVR and reconfirm. I've been wrong more than once.

What you just described is almost exactly my understanding of the 4-3 Under defense.

disaacks3
08-17-2009, 02:49 PM
Did anyone isolate on watching Amobi? I'm trying to figure out if he's going to just place hold this year or start contributing again.

The Pencil Neck
08-17-2009, 02:54 PM
Did anyone isolate on watching Amobi? I'm trying to figure out if he's going to just place hold this year or start contributing again.

I didn't isolate Amobi on every play. I watched him on a few and he seemed to be getting some good push on some of the pass plays. Much more like what he was getting his rookie year. That made me feel better.

But he seemed to disappear for me on running plays. That made me feel not so good.

HOU-TEX
08-17-2009, 03:05 PM
Did anyone isolate on watching Amobi? I'm trying to figure out if he's going to just place hold this year or start contributing again.

I didn't isolate Amobi on every play. I watched him on a few and he seemed to be getting some good push on some of the pass plays. Much more like what he was getting his rookie year. That made me feel better.

But he seemed to disappear for me on running plays. That made me feel not so good.

I agree with PN. He was getting decent push, but just coming up a nano-second late on getting to the QB. I didn't notice him doing anything in the run game either. A.Smith, Dejuan and Okam did well in stopping the run.

If we can get Okam to be consistant he'd easily be the starter. The dude would beast one play then disappear the next. Maybe that's why he played so dang much?

Vinny
08-17-2009, 03:10 PM
Did anyone isolate on watching Amobi? I'm trying to figure out if he's going to just place hold this year or start contributing again.
D Robinson and Okam are clearly superior players at DT imo. Amobi may be in better shape (ie can play more snaps), but I'd rather have either Robinson or Okam in the game for a short series since they don't get pushed around as much.

Jackie Chiles
08-17-2009, 03:51 PM
How did Cody look in comparison to our other DTs? I would watch the replay myself but for some reason the game did not record properly. So angry, I have all the games, including preseason, from last year recorded and this is the first one ive missed. Now im in panic mode trying to sort it out before the Saints game.

76Texan
08-17-2009, 04:17 PM
I'm fairly certain I saw all five with their hands down but I will go back to the DVR and reconfirm. I've been wrong more than once.

What you just described is almost exactly my understanding of the 4-3 Under defense.

I've seen our LB play with hand down at least twice last year.
The one I'm sure off is with Diles, in the middle (yeah, that's right, in the middle).
So that one wasn't the Under Front.

The Pencil Neck
08-17-2009, 05:19 PM
How did Cody look in comparison to our other DTs? I would watch the replay myself but for some reason the game did not record properly. So angry, I have all the games, including preseason, from last year recorded and this is the first one ive missed. Now im in panic mode trying to sort it out before the Saints game.

I thought Cody looked pretty good. I haven't isolated on him or anything but he got some push, got some pressure. He only got one assist but he looked more active than that.

76Texan
08-17-2009, 05:31 PM
I thought Cody looked pretty good. I haven't isolated on him or anything but he got some push, got some pressure. He only got one assist but he looked more active than that.

I know I saw him in the backfield a few times.