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CloakNNNdagger
08-15-2009, 11:16 PM
Okam showed us the player he should be.

Orlovsky showed a great deal of poise in the pocket.

Chris Brown showed us the road grader we need.

Ckw
08-15-2009, 11:17 PM
Chris Brown and Okam without a doubt. Those two guys showed up to play tonight.

I expected it, but I was also very pleased with Barwin and Casey. Those two guys look like they are legit.

valleytexfan
08-15-2009, 11:17 PM
From what I heard, I'd say Chris Brown, Frank Okam and Darnell Jenkins...

False Start
08-15-2009, 11:19 PM
Okam
Casey
Busing
Barwin
Chris Brown


Those are mine. Chris Brown especially, ol' boy might be OK if he can stay on the field.

JCTexan
08-15-2009, 11:22 PM
I liked Okam, Pittman, Busing & Brown tonight. Busing played really well on special teams. Pittman looked like the best CB with the 2nd-3rd teamers to me. I didn't like Richardson. It looked like KC was picking on him way too much.

m5kwatts
08-15-2009, 11:27 PM
Aside from all the guys mentioned above Brice McCain had a good game. I don't recall him allowing a catch.

Norg
08-15-2009, 11:28 PM
Yes bushing I dont know who he is but like some off u i bet the

Bushing & cushing dream team was swirling around yall head LOL :)

Brisco_County
08-15-2009, 11:28 PM
Okam
Casey
Busing
Barwin
Chris Brown


Those are mine. Chris Brown especially, ol' boy might be OK if he can stay on the field.

Ditto on the list, though I'd put Barwin higher.

I remember one weekend a couple of years ago when Chris Brown was the NFL rushing leader. Then he got injured. The rest is history.

GNTLEWOLF
08-15-2009, 11:32 PM
Chris Brown by far....Next Barwin then Okam

HTown2ATX
08-15-2009, 11:33 PM
Okam
Casey
Busing
Barwin
Chris Brown


Those are mine. Chris Brown especially, ol' boy might be OK if he can stay on the field.

I would put Barwin 1st personally and would add the fact that Jacoby didn't screw up and actually had some good catches. Have to agree with the rest.

JCTexan
08-15-2009, 11:34 PM
Aside from all the guys mentioned above Brice McCain had a good game. I don't recall him allowing a catch.

That would probably be the reason I didn't notice him too much. :texflag:

Ditto on the list, though I'd put Barwin higher.

I remember one weekend a couple of years ago when Chris Brown was the NFL rushing leader. Then he got injured. The rest is history.

Barwin didn't surprise me at all. He went mostly against #2's tonight, and I expect him to be one of the Texans leading sack leaders this year. Casey didn't surprise me either, since I knew he had great hands.

Lucky
08-15-2009, 11:34 PM
A guy not yet listed that I thought played well is Kasey Studdard. Played into the 3rd quarter and hustled on the Brown fumble. Looks to be an improved player.

A guy I'd just as soon cut now is Brandon Harrison. He looks lost on the field. Start searching the free agent lists for safeties, Rick Smith.

Ckw
08-15-2009, 11:35 PM
I think only one of you mentioned him, but I also have to add McCain to my list. He played very very well. He stayed with his man, put on a big hit with Demeco to cause an incompletion, and looked very confident. Very impressed with him.

Ckw
08-15-2009, 11:36 PM
A guy not yet listed that I thought played well is Kasey Studdard. Played into the 3rd quarter and hustled on the Brown fumble. Looks to be an improved player.

A guy I'd just as soon cut now is Brandon Harrison. He looks lost on the field. Start searching the free agent lists for safeties, Rick Smith.

Agree on both points. Harrison looked awful.

Jackie Chiles
08-15-2009, 11:39 PM
Harrison's replacement is Busing and or Nolan. I doubt we find another gem like we did last year with Eugene but who knows. I actually feel decent about the safety position because I like the top three guys.

m5kwatts
08-15-2009, 11:41 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if some quarterbacks were brought in for a tryout. Kubiak seemed PO'd at Grossman, he could be on the outs.

b0ng
08-15-2009, 11:44 PM
That would probably be the reason I didn't notice him too much. :texflag:



Barwin didn't surprise me at all. He went mostly against #2's tonight, and I expect him to be one of the Texans leading sack leaders this year. Casey didn't surprise me either, since I knew he had great hands.

Barwin got his sack vs Branden Alberts. The Chiefs starting LT.

I wouldn't be surprised if some quarterbacks were brought in for a tryout. Kubiak seemed PO'd at Grossman, he could be on the outs.

Pulled hamstring as reported by Bob Allen.

EDIT: For content

The entire DL stuffed the Chiefs up and down the field. The LB's caused fumbles, all in all the defense was very pleasant.

The offense was pretty good. The running game was good, the 2nd string passing game (Because face it, 2 series of the 1st stringers is not enough data) was meh. Dan was good/bad Rex had 3 snaps before being pulled. Overall, I think our depth is better than in years past. That or our 2's can style all over what appears to be an uncoordinated team.

drewmar74
08-15-2009, 11:47 PM
Barwin got his sack vs Branden Alberts. The Chiefs starting LT.



Pulled hamstring as reported by Bob Allen.

Rex? Pulled hammy?

Hope it doesn't interfere with his trip home for the season.

BTW, Jeff George is available on the cheap if we need a head case big armed QB.

Specnatz
08-15-2009, 11:47 PM
another guy not mentioned who I thought played really well was Bentley. I know he is not a rookie or even trying to make the team but he was flying all over the field and making play after play.

edo783
08-15-2009, 11:50 PM
I would toss out that Moats had a pretty good game to add to the list of guys that did well.

V3rm0nt3r
08-15-2009, 11:50 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if some quarterbacks were brought in for a tryout. Kubiak seemed PO'd at Grossman, he could be on the outs.

yeah but who do you want us to pick up? Brink back on the PS? he's the only guy out there that knows our system and isn't inked but apparently Shanny Jr and Kubes weren't impressed seeing as they cut him before camp. Boyd signed with a UFL team and the only other guy i can remember who has been on in TC while Kubiak has been here and who doesn't have a contract is Bradlee Van Pelt... need i say more. Kubes will keep Grossman. i doubt he's sold on Orlovsky just yet and he'll want a vet behind him just in case.

Wolf
08-15-2009, 11:52 PM
we need to get the equipment manager out of preseason form

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/d6/fullj.9171fa73c88621448e157aa8b76ff04a/9171fa73c88621448e157aa8b76ff04a-getty-.jpg


KANSAS CITY, MO - AUGUST 15: Running back Steve Slaton(notes) #20 of the Houston Texans drives for yardage after losing his helmet during the preseason game against the Kansas City Chiefs at Arrowhead Stadium on August 15, 2009 in Kansas City, Missouri. (Photo by Dilip Vishwanat/Getty Images)



http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20090816/capt.79aad9798fdf4b5394926f273467d1ab.texans_chief s_football_moow101.jpg

Houston Texans running back Chris Brown (22) dives over offensive tackle Duane Brown(notes) (76) for a touchdown during the first quarter of an exhibition NFL football game against the Kansas City Chiefs in Kansas City, Mo., Saturday, Aug. 15, 2009.

m5kwatts
08-15-2009, 11:54 PM
yeah but who do you want us to pick up? Brink back on the PS? he's the only guy out there that knows our system and isn't inked but apparently Shanny Jr and Kubes weren't impressed seeing as they cut him before camp. Boyd signed with a UFL team and the only other guy i can remember who has been on in TC while Kubiak has been here and who doesn't have a contract is Bradlee Van Pelt... need i say more. Kubes will keep Grossman. i doubt he's sold on Orlovsky just yet and he'll want a vet behind him just in case.

This is true and I didn't realize the hamstring thing but regardless he didn't look good with the fumbled snap and throwing into double coverage. It would be a bit surprising if he was cut and a new guy was brought in but if you're gonna go in another direction for that 3rd QB spot its better to do it sooner rather than later. Rex didn't help himself.

Hagar
08-15-2009, 11:57 PM
While he left pretty early, Dejuan Robinson looked real good.

Sorry, but I'm going to put in an unpleasent surprise ~ Okoye was a non factor.

JCTexan
08-15-2009, 11:57 PM
Barwin got his sack vs Branden Alberts. The Chiefs starting LT.



Pulled hamstring as reported by Bob Allen.

Yeah, I was thinking playing on the Texans 2nd team. I totally forgot that the Chiefs had their first team in their longer then the Texans did.

HouSportsWriter
08-16-2009, 12:01 AM
the big suprize for me is the rookie te from rice cacy i think is his name that 1 handed catch was allsome!

m5kwatts
08-16-2009, 12:03 AM
While he left pretty early, Dejuan Robinson looked real good.

Sorry, but I'm going to put in an unpleasent surprise ~ Okoye was a non factor.

He didn't play many snaps at all. I think the injury was bothering him or atleast I hope. Cody and Okam and possibly even Zgonina were better tonight.

TheRealJoker
08-16-2009, 12:10 AM
Does anyone know who DE # 70 is? I cant find that number on the roster but the announcers wrongly gave Jesse Nading credit for putting pressure on Thigpen when this guy did it. He was getting good pressure late in the game with the 3rd and 4th stringers but I could never find his last name. He was a black guy if that helps and i'm just confused and have the wrong number...

dalemurphy
08-16-2009, 12:12 AM
Does anyone know who DE # 70 is? I cant find that number on the roster but the announcers wrongly gave Jesse Nading credit for putting pressure on Thigpen when this guy did it. He was getting good pressure late in the game with the 3rd and 4th stringers but I could never find his last name. He was a black guy if that helps and i'm just confused and have the wrong number...

Joker,

You might get to have sex by January of 2010. Congratulations!

Honoring Earl 34
08-16-2009, 12:13 AM
Does anyone know who DE # 70 is? I cant find that number on the roster but the announcers wrongly gave Jesse Nading credit for putting pressure on Thigpen when this guy did it. He was getting good pressure late in the game with the 3rd and 4th stringers but I could never find his last name. He was a black guy if that helps and i'm just confused and have the wrong number...

Isn't that Tim Jamison or his last names Johnson . He was getting after the QB .

TheRealJoker
08-16-2009, 12:21 AM
Dale,

I hope so!!!

Earl,

Thanks. I hope that guy gets some playing time with the 2s next week. I think he could develop into a nice rotational DE. His motor reminded me of Tim Bulman a little bit...

If he doesn't make the active roster I hope he gets on the practice squad. It was making me mad that whenever he applied pressure someone else got the credit.

TheRealJoker
08-16-2009, 12:24 AM
Aside from the others mentioned and Jamison I thought Antoine Caldwell did pretty good while he was in. The offense didn't do too much while he was on the field from my recollection but he made his blocks and stood his ground in the pocket. I'd like to see him get some time with the 1s before Chris Myers returns from injury to get a feel for where he's at so far in his development.

Honoring Earl 34
08-16-2009, 12:30 AM
Dale,

I hope so!!!

Earl,

Thanks. I hope that guy gets some playing time with the 2s next week. I think he could develop into a nice rotational DE. His motor reminded me of Tim Bulman a little bit...

If he doesn't make the active roster I hope he gets on the practice squad. It was making me mad that whenever he applied pressure someone else got the credit.

Yep ... Thigpen's best play was to escape the rush and run for ten . I think they have more depth than ever on the front seven which is pretty cool .

Goatcheese
08-16-2009, 12:44 AM
Okam, and Moats were the only ones who played better than I expected.

Del-Rob, Bentley, Barwin, etc. are all guys I expected to play well, and they did.

GNTLEWOLF
08-16-2009, 12:54 AM
I wonder when Kubiak is going to comment on the game to the press. I'd love to hear his real thoughts and not more "the kid is gonna battle through it."

drewmar74
08-16-2009, 12:58 AM
I wonder when Kubiak is comment on the game to the press. I'd love to hear his real thoughts and not more "the kid is gonna battle through it."

No offense meant, but does he ever really say anything other than 'the kid is gonna battle through it' ?

Methinks the first real serious clue as to what is going on in Kube's head will show up with the first round of cuts.

GNTLEWOLF
08-16-2009, 01:00 AM
No Offense taken....I just wish we would hear the unedited version...just once

Honoring Earl 34
08-16-2009, 01:02 AM
Aside from the others mentioned and Jamison I thought Antoine Caldwell did pretty good while he was in. The offense didn't do too much while he was on the field from my recollection but he made his blocks and stood his ground in the pocket. I'd like to see him get some time with the 1s before Chris Myers returns from injury to get a feel for where he's at so far in his development.

I found him under photos , day 12 slide 2 .

http://www.houstontexans.com/index2.html

drewmar74
08-16-2009, 01:03 AM
No Offense taken....I just wish we would hear the unedited version...just once

Myself.

It would be great to see him staring at the podium, tapping on it, and say:

"This kid sucks.... Really just has no business being on a football field but we have no one else on the waiver wire to replace him. So we'll let him battle on through but man, does he suck."

Koolaid Time
08-16-2009, 01:31 AM
Rex? Pulled hammy?

Hope it doesn't interfere with his trip home for the season.

BTW, Jeff George is available on the cheap if we need a head case big armed QB.

If you want a head case, weak armed QB, Vince might be available in 3 weeks.

El Tejano
08-16-2009, 02:22 AM
A guy not yet listed that I thought played well is Kasey Studdard. Played into the 3rd quarter and hustled on the Brown fumble. Looks to be an improved player.

A guy I'd just as soon cut now is Brandon Harrison. He looks lost on the field. Start searching the free agent lists for safeties, Rick Smith.

I second that. Kasey Studdard did something that to me showed this season will be different for us. Used to be that we would lose that fumble but Kasey knows this team can't afford turnovers and that was some hustle.

Yes Brandon Harrison is not good. He's always lost on plays. I don't know how many 3rd and longs he allowed KC to convert.

Might I also add that Kevin Bentley was a very nice surprise. Here is my list:

Chris Brown
Frank Okam
Connor Barwin
Kevin Bentley

Ryan Moats gets an honorable mention. He was playing possesed.

Ckw
08-16-2009, 02:36 AM
Those upset with Okoye already need to rethink things. Mario Williams also did NOTHING tonight, and I certainly don't think that will be the case during the season. As expected, we played pretty vanilla defense and the 1st string did not play much at all. Yet that being said, we still looked dang good out there. I wouldn't worry too much. The point of preseason is to see what kind of depth you have as a team. We should be thrilled because this is without a doubt the deepest team we have had in our history.

awtysst
08-16-2009, 02:37 AM
If you want a head case, weak armed QB, Vince might be available in 3 weeks.

Vince does not have a weak arm. He has a strong arm that is extremely inaccurate. He is a lot like Vick in this regard. Both of them can throw the ball, but they cannot pass the ball.

Maddict5
08-16-2009, 03:44 AM
I didn't like Richardson. It looked like KC was picking on him way too much.

to be fair, that had more to do with bowe than richardson. he was matched up against a very good wideout (who just happens to be playing because hes in the doghouse)

NitroGSXR
08-16-2009, 03:57 AM
Those upset with Okoye already need to rethink things. Mario Williams also did NOTHING tonight, and I certainly don't think that will be the case during the season. As expected, we played pretty vanilla defense and the 1st string did not play much at all. Yet that being said, we still looked dang good out there. I wouldn't worry too much. The point of preseason is to see what kind of depth you have as a team. We should be thrilled because this is without a doubt the deepest team we have had in our history.
Not really. I'm watching the game right now on DVR and I saw Mario get some pretty good assists.

ObsiWan
08-16-2009, 05:14 AM
Does anyone know who DE # 70 is? I cant find that number on the roster but the announcers wrongly gave Jesse Nading credit for putting pressure on Thigpen when this guy did it. He was getting good pressure late in the game with the 3rd and 4th stringers but I could never find his last name. He was a black guy if that helps and i'm just confused and have the wrong number...

There's a Tim Jamison/DE/Michigan listed as #92.
http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/getty/headshot/J/A/M/JAM809956.jpg
But since Zgonina is back, maybe he reclaimed #92 and Jamison, a rookie, had to switch numbers.
That's my guess...

Mari-OWNED!
08-16-2009, 06:23 AM
Busing seemed to be all over the place, and Barwin looked pretty good especially with that nice sack on Croyle.

The Pencil Neck
08-16-2009, 11:13 AM
There's a Tim Jamison/DE/Michigan listed as #92.
http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/getty/headshot/J/A/M/JAM809956.jpg
But since Zgonina is back, maybe he reclaimed #92 and Jamison, a rookie, had to switch numbers.
That's my guess...

This is a kid that 76Texan and I have had high hopes for. I was really happy when we picked him up as an UDFA.

76Texan
08-16-2009, 11:21 AM
This is a kid that 76Texan and I have had high hopes for. I was really happy when we picked him up as an UDFA.

Ironically, I didn't want him to show too much so that we can stack him on the PS!

76Texan
08-16-2009, 11:22 AM
NO REAL SURPRISE last night!

The Texans did a good job this off-season.

Wolf
08-16-2009, 12:58 PM
Notes: Fourteen Texans caught passes


http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/recap?game_id=54735&displayPage=tab_recap&season=2009&week=PRE1&override=true

Wolf6151
08-16-2009, 01:20 PM
I was pleasantly surprised by Andre Davis as well, he caught everything that came his way. I think he realizes that his salary makes him expendable as a 3rd WR and that he's trying to justify that huge salary and playing well trying to make the team. Barwin looked good, Okam looked good as well, Chris Brown looked good, as well as Ryan Moats.

Ryan
08-16-2009, 01:57 PM
we need to get the equipment manager out of preseason form

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/d6/fullj.9171fa73c88621448e157aa8b76ff04a/9171fa73c88621448e157aa8b76ff04a-getty-.jpg





http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20090816/capt.79aad9798fdf4b5394926f273467d1ab.texans_chief s_football_moow101.jpg

slaton always loses his helmet.:photos:

JCTexan
08-16-2009, 04:09 PM
to be fair, that had more to do with bowe than richardson. he was matched up against a very good wideout (who just happens to be playing because hes in the doghouse)

Yeah, that's not really fair to get onto Richardson when he's possibly guarding the teams best WR. Bowe did make some really good catches.

BSofA04
08-16-2009, 04:34 PM
I was not surprised that Grossman went deep, and then got benched.

Porky
08-16-2009, 04:57 PM
Okam was the biggest surprise to me. I saw a MAJOR difference in Okam last night vs anything I saw last year. He looked like the most improved player that was on last years roster. If Kollar can keep his motor going like last night, he's going to be an impact player on the Dline. I think they need to be wise though and limit his snaps so that he can be at near maximum effectiveness for the snaps he does take.

Runner up was Chris Brown. IF, I say IF, he can stay healthy he is going to be a huge plus this year.

DavidC
08-16-2009, 05:07 PM
I thought Deljuan Robinson had a good game. He had some good penetration, and made some hustle plays. After that run stop he had when he got hurt, I thought that they should have let him rest as a precaution, but he showed he is a true gamer going back out there.

I think that Okam, Cody, and Robinson are going to really push Johnson and Okoye this season. They need it...

281
08-16-2009, 05:16 PM
I was not surprised that Grossman went deep, and then got benched.

he injured his hamstring, which led to him leaving the game.

GuerillaBlack
08-16-2009, 05:32 PM
Joker,

You might get to have sex by January of 2010. Congratulations!

Man, I can't believe it's been that long. I doubt it has been that long. ;)

hradhak
08-16-2009, 05:45 PM
I wonder if the reps are going to be split evenly between Brown and Slaton or if Brown is going to be more of a situational back. Either way it's good to see that there's not going to be much drop off between Slaton and Brown.

nunusguy
08-16-2009, 05:45 PM
Those upset with Okoye already need to rethink things. Mario Williams also did NOTHING tonight

Mario has absolutely nothing to prove, while Okoyes situation is just the opposite.

Fox
08-16-2009, 05:50 PM
I wonder if the reps are going to be split evenly between Brown and Slaton or if Brown is going to be more of a situational back. Either way it's good to see that there's not going to be much drop off between Slaton and Brown.

If Brown can stay off crutches I see him getting significant red zone and goal line carries, as well as change of pace carries. His value is significantly diminished by his injury-prone status, but I think he showed last night he could be a boon to our RZ offense if he's available. I think he could make a big impact for us, turning some of those RZ opportunities from field goals to touchdowns.

CloakNNNdagger
08-16-2009, 08:37 PM
If Brown can stay off crutches I see him getting significant red zone and goal line carries, as well as change of pace carries. His value is significantly diminished by his injury-prone status, but I think he showed last night he could be a boon to our RZ offense if he's available. I think he could make a big impact for us, turning some of those RZ opportunities from field goals to touchdowns.

Is it just me, or did Chris Brown look "thicker" rather than last year's "lanky"?

El Tejano
08-16-2009, 09:13 PM
I have to also say that it was nice to see our front four giving most of the pressure for the night and us not have to use our LBs to help with pressure.

Connor Barwin did some good things against the run as well as have enough speed to sniff out screen plays.

Ckw
08-16-2009, 09:18 PM
Mario has absolutely nothing to prove, while Okoyes situation is just the opposite.

That wasn't my point. All I was saying was that Mario didn't do much last night in the limited time he played. Like it or not, Okoye will get his shot in the regular season. The preseason means nothing, and the regular season is when he needs to prove he was worthy of being a 1st round draft pick.

TexansFanatic
08-16-2009, 09:24 PM
I second that. Kasey Studdard did something that to me showed this season will be different for us. Used to be that we would lose that fumble but Kasey knows this team can't afford turnovers and that was some hustle.

Kasey's a real pro at the fumble recovery thing. He recovered a Vince Young fumble in the national championship game against USC that saved a field goal drive.

TimeKiller
08-16-2009, 09:25 PM
Offense: Chris Brown, Andre Davis
Defense: Connor Barwin, Frank Okam, Busing

Okam sticks out as a big guy on t.v. If he keeps the spine of the D strong like he was last night many things will be improving...

Brown added yet another element to the offense. Boy that catch by Casey was something special...

HOU-TEX
08-17-2009, 10:54 AM
Okam was the biggest surprise to me. I saw a MAJOR difference in Okam last night vs anything I saw last year. He looked like the most improved player that was on last years roster. If Kollar can keep his motor going like last night, he's going to be an impact player on the Dline. I think they need to be wise though and limit his snaps so that he can be at near maximum effectiveness for the snaps he does take.

Runner up was Chris Brown. IF, I say IF, he can stay healthy he is going to be a huge plus this year.

I'm going with Okam as well. Although, he was a bit inconsistant at times. At times it seemed he'd make a great play and be nonexistant on the next. He played a lot of football though and might've been gassed on a few plays. I was surprised they kept him in the game so long. I suppose they're trying to get him to play up to his potential?

Agreed on Harrison. The dude's been lost since he's been here and I wouldn't have any problem with a guy like Busing taking his roster spot.

I was a little underwhelmed by our defensive backfield as a whole. Even with decent pressure on the QB there were several easy completions made.

I was kinda disappointed Slaton was unable to do anything with his limited reps.

Casey was impressive on special teams and his one handed snag was sick.

Fox
08-17-2009, 12:26 PM
Is it just me, or did Chris Brown look "thicker" rather than last year's "lanky"?

I thought the same thing, the guy's a beast. We've had our share of "big" backs - Stacey Mack, Jonathan Wells, Ronald McDonald Dayne, but none of them ran "big" like Brown does. Unfortunately I think it's his physical, high running style that leaves him more vulnerable.

badboy
08-17-2009, 01:11 PM
I watched the game focusing on certain players to the detriment of others, but I got info I needed.

Bentley LB started where he left off last season. This guy could be a starter. Glad he is on roster. I graded him as A+.

Chris Brown RB my focus was not really on him as all know he can run. Still he stood out & I graded him A+ especially with the pass reception. I almost down graded due to fumble.

Moats RB caught me by surprise & did much better than I expected. A+ & is my #2. Brown is situational on my list.

Butler OL again another pleasant surprise for me. I'm not a fan but he could turn me around. I graded as an A.

Andre Davis WR well his wrist has healed. Great game graded as A+.

Orslovsky QB did not show me much but I expect nerves and weather could be part of it. I expect much better from him against N.O. Graded as C+

Jacoby Jones WR/ returner did nothing to hurt but little to help himself. No grade.
Grossman graded as F before he pulled hammy.

Best for last? Frank Okam! This what I have been waiting to see now if he will just be consistent. A+.

I just could not keep up with the CBs. Camera did not seem to give much cov'g or maybe I was watching line and LBs to much. I understand that McCain did well.

El Tejano
08-17-2009, 01:19 PM
Yours is pretty much how I looked at it. McCain was a nice surprise in run support. I kind of feel like if you ran a slant on us it was getting completed though.

SteveSlaton20
08-18-2009, 01:16 AM
okam and bushing were the ones that impressed me the most tbh