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Hookem Horns
08-09-2009, 11:58 PM
Since back up QB VY proclaimed he will be in the Hall of Fame, I thought it would be an interesting topic to discuss who you would put into the back up QB HOF if one existed.

A good candidate would be a QB that was pretty scary coming off the bench and can win a game pinch hitting for an injured starter however never really had what it took to become a legitimate starter.

Some good candidates that come to mind for me are Frank Reich, Cody Carlson, Danny White, and Gary Kubiak.

So who would be in your back up QB HOF?

FirstTexansFan
08-10-2009, 01:04 AM
My pick would be George Blanda.

JamesC
08-10-2009, 01:11 AM
Sage was pretty good for us...aside from that one meltdown.


My favorite from back in the day was Bucky Richardson.

Hookem Horns
08-10-2009, 01:13 AM
My pick would be George Blanda.

Blanda was before my time but wasn't he an accomplished starter?

Hervoyel
08-10-2009, 01:28 AM
Blanda was before my time but wasn't he an accomplished starter?


And that's the thing. You can't possibly count a guy who was previously or even later on an accomplished starter. In order for it to work this has to be "career backups" only.

I think some consideration must be given to Don Strock and (possibly on the edge) Vince Evans.

Possibly Evans doesn't work because he did start 10 and then 16 games in 80'-81'. He didn't stick though as a starter so I'd still call him a career backup.

Even more of a close call would be Earl Morrall. He started for a team "full season" only twice it appears in 20 years. He might just be the ultimate backup QB.

m5kwatts
08-10-2009, 02:13 AM
Tom Brady

mancunian
08-10-2009, 03:35 AM
beat me to it

Fred
08-10-2009, 07:19 AM
And that's the thing. You can't possibly count a guy who was previously or even later on an accomplished starter. In order for it to work this has to be "career backups" only.

I think some consideration must be given to Don Strock and (possibly on the edge) Vince Evans.

Possibly Evans doesn't work because he did start 10 and then 16 games in 80'-81'. He didn't stick though as a starter so I'd still call him a career backup.

Even more of a close call would be Earl Morrall. He started for a team "full season" only twice it appears in 20 years. He might just be the ultimate backup QB.

Who says "career backups" only? So if a baseball pitcher wins 200 starts and then becomes a reliever and saves 500 games he can't be considered among the greatest relievers of all time because he wasn't a "career reliever"?

Separating his career into two parts, Blanda possibly is a HOF starter for the first half and definitely a HOF backup for the second half. There's no question he was a backup and not still a starter - he didn't start games, he came off the bench to turn a loss into a win. George Blanda - probably the greatest backup QB ever. If you set the rules up to throw him out, then the whole exercise is pointless.

I would put Earl Morrall second. Even though he started a lot of games it was only because the intended starter was injuried. Somewhere down the line Jeff Hostelter for winning a Super Bowl.

FirstTexansFan
08-10-2009, 07:28 AM
Blanda was before my time but wasn't he an accomplished starter?

I'm talking end of his career. Raiders, he was listed I believe as their kicker, but seemed to always come in, and win the game for them as the QB at a very ripe age. Though today, I'd say he was young LOL

Now if they could have never been a starter? Not sure, I lean towards Don Strock myself, but Kubiak had a heck of a reputation as well in his time.

El Tejano
08-10-2009, 08:27 AM
Steve Young proved to be a HOF period. I was going to say Cody Carlson but he was already mentioned and I do recall the reins being handed over to him and him not doing so hot once he became the starter.

Hervoyel
08-10-2009, 09:30 AM
Who says "career backups" only? So if a baseball pitcher wins 200 starts and then becomes a reliever and saves 500 games he can't be considered among the greatest relievers of all time because he wasn't a "career reliever"?

Separating his career into two parts, Blanda possibly is a HOF starter for the first half and definitely a HOF backup for the second half. There's no question he was a backup and not still a starter - he didn't start games, he came off the bench to turn a loss into a win. George Blanda - probably the greatest backup QB ever. If you set the rules up to throw him out, then the whole exercise is pointless.

I would put Earl Morrall second. Even though he started a lot of games it was only because the intended starter was injuried. Somewhere down the line Jeff Hostelter for winning a Super Bowl.

Well ok, Blanda was a freak of a player with such a long career that you could literally say he had a full career as a starter and another whole career tacked on to that as a backup QB and kicker. How many guys other than Blanda though could you possibly say that about?

My "career backups only" rule was more about keeping out guys who spent a little time as a backup and then rose to the starter position where they really made their mark. Most QB's you can say "He's a starter" or "He's a backup" but almost every starter has spent some time, somewhere as a backup whether it was at the beginning of their career or at the end. Just having backed up another player shouldn't qualify you for this IMO. m5kwatts said "Tom Brady" and I'd say "Nope, he's a starter" even though he was Bledsoe's backup and took them to the Super Bowl when Bledsoe got hurt. Brady has in the years between then and now proven to be an accomplished starter. Moon lost his starting job to Cody Carlson once for something like one game (I think it was one game) and later in his career he was a backup as well. He's another example of a guy who's career as a starter overshadowed anything he did as a backup.

Blanda though, he's just the exception to damn near every rule ever made.

I just think that if you are really looking for best backups and include a lot of guys who eventually became starters or used to be starters then you're really going to slip over into best quarterbacks and that's another debate/argument/poll/whatever.

HoustonFrog
08-10-2009, 09:48 AM
Jason Garrett :). The guy never became a starter or was a starter

eriadoc
08-10-2009, 10:09 AM
Tony Banks lost his job to his backup (Trent Dilfer), who did exactly what was required of the QB on that team, and therefore won a SB.

jlam
08-10-2009, 10:21 AM
Frank Reich.

idonno:

Specnatz
08-10-2009, 10:40 AM
Frank Reich.

idonno:

Your brave for even mentioning that name around here.

I can not believe no one mentioned Gary Kubiak yet.

Hookem Horns
08-10-2009, 10:47 AM
Well Herv was following the criteria I laid out for this "A good candidate would be a QB that was pretty scary coming off the bench and can win a game pinch hitting for an injured starter however never really had what it took to become a legitimate starter.

This is why I didn't mention Steve Young because he became a legitimate starter. While both Vince Evans and Cody Carlson ended up starting at one point (as did Franch Reich) none of them ever became known as legitimate starters. Think about it, most great QBs start off as a back before they start. We are talking as Herv put it "career back ups" or guys more known for being a back up.

BTW, I mentioned Gary Kubiak in my opening post.

painekiller
08-10-2009, 11:10 AM
Blanda is a starter in my book and in the HOF already.

My rules for backup QB who should be in the HOF:
1st they can not be in the HOF
2nd they had to be known more for the back up job then the starting job.


#1 Earl Morrall, Perfect season with Miami, Lead 2 teams to the Super Bowl.
#2 Billy Kilmer
#3 Doug Flutie

drewmar74
08-10-2009, 11:10 AM
Billy Joe Tolliver?

HOU-TEX
08-10-2009, 11:19 AM
Bucky Richardson.....:backsout:

Specnatz
08-10-2009, 11:24 AM
BTW, I mentioned Gary Kubiak in my opening post.


My bad, just missed it I guess.

JBIITEXANS
08-10-2009, 11:31 AM
Jim Sorgi. Nobody holds a clipboard better than he does.

Texan_Bill
08-10-2009, 11:35 AM
Frank Reich.

idonno:

:bat: :tedc: :hunter:

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Don Strock
Danny White
Giff Nielson (Oilers v. Chargers minus Earl, Dan and Kenny B. although the real hero was Vernon Perry)

HoustonFrog
08-10-2009, 11:38 AM
:bat: :tedc: :hunter:

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Don Strock
Danny White
Giff Nielson (Oilers v. Chargers minus Earl, Dan and Kenny B. although the real hero was Vernon Perry)

Only reason I never mentioned him was because he actually was so successful as a starter...couldn't get over the hump and The Catch effed him.

painekiller
08-10-2009, 11:53 AM
:bat: :tedc: :hunter:

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Don Strock


I had forgotten him.

Texan_Bill
08-10-2009, 12:15 PM
Only reason I never mentioned him was because he actually was so successful as a starter...couldn't get over the hump and The Catch effed him.
I look at White's career in two phases:
a) Punter / Back-up QB
b) QB / punter

I had forgotten him.

Probably because he and David Woodley were practically interchangeable.

painekiller
08-10-2009, 04:30 PM
Probably because he and David Woodley were practically interchangeable.

Strock was Mr. Clipboard. And he had the tan to match. He was the backup in Miami from 1973 to 1987. Not many guys have that long of a career, much less guys who do not play.

drewmar74
08-10-2009, 04:32 PM
Scott Mitchell.

Oh, and AJ Feely. Great off the bench for a game or two. Full time starter? Nope.

Grams
08-10-2009, 04:43 PM
My pick would be George Blanda.

I believe he is already in the HOF and not as a backup.

spurstexanstros
08-10-2009, 05:03 PM
Sage was pretty good for us...aside from that one meltdown.


Frank Reich.

idonno:

Who are the two backup qbs that almost put me into a comatose state?

Showtime100
08-10-2009, 05:14 PM
Clint Longley! One-game wonder with the brains and punch of Mike Tyson.

painkiller said Earl Morrall and Bill said Don Strock, I'll buy those. Terry Gilliam also, though I know folks would disagree with that.

Coonass Texan
08-10-2009, 05:14 PM
Since back up QB VY proclaimed he will be in the Hall of Fame, I thought it would be an interesting topic to discuss who you would put into the back up QB HOF if one existed.

A good candidate would be a QB that was pretty scary coming off the bench and can win a game pinch hitting for an injured starter however never really had what it took to become a legitimate starter.

Some good candidates that come to mind for me are Frank Reich, Cody Carlson, Danny White, and Gary Kubiak.

So who would be in your back up QB HOF?

You See, Everyone misunderstood VY.......What he meant was that he was going to be playing in the Hall Of Fame game......:chickendance:

Double Barrel
08-10-2009, 05:51 PM
Bucky Richardson, babeee!! :cowboy1:

Blazing Arrow
08-10-2009, 06:30 PM
Jeff Garcia

awtysst
08-10-2009, 07:58 PM
Elvis Grbac. Now, if he grew his hair like Elvis or wore an Elvis wig he could have had a NFL HOF career!

Specnatz
08-10-2009, 08:05 PM
Kerry Collins, Vince Young and Patrick Ramsey

Koolaid Time
08-10-2009, 09:27 PM
Lynn Dickey would have been pretty good if he hadn't broken his hip early with the Oilers, then they traded him.

I still don't understand why the Oilers made that draft. Insurance in case Pastorini didn't work out or trade bait?

Giant Tiger
08-10-2009, 09:38 PM
[QUOTE=Showtime100;1224800]Clint Longley! One-game wonder with the brains and punch of Mike Tyson.

I saw that game. What ever happened to him?

NitroGSXR
08-10-2009, 09:42 PM
I always liked Bubby Brister. I also loved the Doug Flutie selection by a poster here.

WWJD
08-10-2009, 10:02 PM
Steve Beuerlein.

Vinny
08-10-2009, 10:08 PM
Lynn Dickey would have been pretty good if he hadn't broken his hip early with the Oilers, then they traded him.

I still don't understand why the Oilers made that draft. Insurance in case Pastorini didn't work out or trade bait?Dickey had some fantastic years and broke some NFL records with the Packers.

Fred
08-10-2009, 10:15 PM
Kerry Collins, Vince Young and Patrick Ramsey
Now that's just mean! Of course, if it wasn't true, it wouldn't be mean....

Fred
08-10-2009, 10:20 PM
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My "career backups only" rule was more about keeping out guys who spent a little time as a backup and then rose to the starter position where they really made their mark. Most QB's you can say "He's a starter" or "He's a backup" but almost every starter has spent some time, somewhere as a backup whether it was at the beginning of their career or at the end. Just having backed up another player shouldn't qualify you for this IMO. m5kwatts said "Tom Brady" and I'd say "Nope, he's a starter" even though he was Bledsoe's backup and took them to the Super Bowl when Bledsoe got hurt. Brady has in the years between then and now proven to be an accomplished starter. Moon lost his starting job to Cody Carlson once for something like one game (I think it was one game) and later in his career he was a backup as well. He's another example of a guy who's career as a starter overshadowed anything he did as a backup.

Blanda though, he's just the exception to damn near every rule ever made.

I just think that if you are really looking for best backups and include a lot of guys who eventually became starters or used to be starters then you're really going to slip over into best quarterbacks and that's another debate/argument/poll/whatever.
Good explanation and I agree with you. When Earl Morall was starting there was no question that he was going back to the bench when Unitas got healthy. When Tom Brady took over for an injuried Wally Pipp... err.. Drew Bledsoe, there was no way Bledsoe would ever start in front of him again.

Giant Tiger
08-10-2009, 10:31 PM
Okay, Clint Longley made me think of the Redskins. So I'm going to say Sonny Jurgensen. I think Kilmer was the starter, but IIRC they still moved the ball when Jurgensen was playing.