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TexansTrueFan
02-06-2005, 01:08 AM
Do you think D.Davis deserves to go into and remain the starting RB for the texans ? He rushed for over 1100 yards and 13 touchdowns, he had 588 receiving yards 3rd best on the team ! His longest run was 44 yards and only had 3 runs of 20 yards our more, the same as clinton portis of the redskins !

THEFUTURE
02-06-2005, 04:42 AM
i think domanick is like the Brian Westbrook of the AFC, except DD can rush way better then BW. if DD can put together one good season he can easily have 1500 yards rushing and another 500 receiving...he is the real deal

D-ReK
02-06-2005, 07:14 AM
He should be our starter until someone better is found...

Just like with every other starter on the team...

J-Storm
02-06-2005, 07:50 AM
Of course he should remain the starter. His numbers mightn't have been Jamal Lewis or Priest Holmes like but then again he isn't those guys and our O-line isn't fantastic either (ask David Carr)...

If it ain't broke...

Txnpride
02-06-2005, 10:11 AM
Our o-line didnt do a very good job MOST of the season....and DD still managed a decent year.If we can get the oline fixed....it will make him look like a superstar....it ALL starts up front with the bigboys....if they dont do theyre job....it makes the Qb and the running game look really bad.So....I guess my answer is yes.....keep DD.....unless a someone REALLY special falls into our laps,them make him earn the starting roll/ AHH nothing like a little competition to get the best out of someone

Fiddy
02-06-2005, 11:21 AM
If no one better is found...i think domanick is like the Brian Westbrook of the AFC, except DD can rush way better then BW. if DD can put together one good season he can easily have 1500 yards rushing and another 500 receiving...he is the real dealWestbrook is a bigger threat in both aspects of the game, running and recieving. Westbrook had 130 less carries but still had 2 more 20+ rushes than Davis. And in the passing game, Westbrook only had 5 more catches but about 120 more yards and 5 more TDs. The differences in stats could also be how they are utilized. The Eagles use Westbrook as a third down back even though he is their starter so he doesnt get worn out. The Texans use Davis as a big pounder which doesnt suit him and wears him down easily...

fresno8
02-06-2005, 02:33 PM
DD is our guy. Do we need someone to share carries w/ DD? Yes, but he is definately our guy. A lot (most) of teams would like to have Carr/DD/AJ as their nucleus on offense. Please fix our line Casserly so these guys can show what they're made of.

Paragon Blue
02-06-2005, 03:43 PM
I think once he got rid of his turnover problems and got healthy he did very well.

TexansTrueFan
02-06-2005, 07:26 PM
:shocked

I am in shocked.... by this thread... :thud:

you guys will be lucky if your replacement will be half as good as DD.

1) Pitts dint know WTF he was doing with the zone. He play G like a LT still, he has lots to learn.
2) Wiegert Was Injured most of the time
3) Mckinney cant move people, though he does move well downfield. I hope he gest stronger or David Baas will be our starter come opening nite.


shocked by this thread ??? i am a D.D fanatic, and i am happy with most of the responses i'm getting ! Besides the negative few who will never give Davis a chance ! He is the MAN in my opinion though !

Lucky
02-06-2005, 10:05 PM
I think once he got rid of his turnover problems and got healthy he did very well.
That's right. And getting over fumbling problems is easier said than done. Some RBs are never the same runner, always worrying about securing the ball. Others just fumble throughout their career and teams just live with it. Domanick is now working on a streak of 323 touches without a fumble.

I still think Davis needs another back to help carry the load & I don't think the Texans feel that Wells or Hollings will be that back. But that doesn't mean they go after a high profile FA or spend a 1st round pick on a RB. A 2nd tier FA (like a Najeh Davenport or Anthony Thomas) or a later round rookie could be the answer. But if the Texans continue to run a RB centric offense, a 2nd back must be brought in.

Hervoyel
02-07-2005, 08:43 AM
Davis should start the season as the top back. He's done nothing in his two years on the job to deserve a demotion at this point. Like every player on the team if he gets beaten out of the job by someone else then that's the way things go in the NFL. Also if he goes into the season as the starter and doesn't get the job done then of course someone else gets an opportunity. That's also the way things go in the NFL. This is kind of a no-brainer decision really at this point.

Once free agency is over we'll see if someone gets signed who's clearly going to be given a shot at unseating Davis. If that doesn't happen then we go to the draft. If the Texans pick a running back on the first day then I'd have to assume the Texans are going to give this guy a shot at unseating Davis. Then we go to camp and it all shakes out from there.

TexansTrueFan
02-07-2005, 09:26 AM
well i know that davis could get beaten out of the starting spot, this is more of a question to whether yall think he is good enough and the right guy for the job. I've just heard so many different opinions on him, i was wanting to see what the majority thought. And it looks like most like davis thus far.

wiley2002
02-07-2005, 12:39 PM
You get a guy like DD and they want Emmit Smith incarnate.

Vinny
02-07-2005, 03:05 PM
Davis needs help and we will bring in another back. With a short 16 game schedule, and a 'one loss and out' playoff format, you need a guy who is durable or need some semblance of rbbc because DD doesn't run well nicked up and all it takes is one nicked up game in the playoffs and you go home. I have the feeling we draft another 4th round RB and will go into the year with Davis, Hollings and the rookie next season.

TexansTrueFan
02-07-2005, 03:52 PM
vinny you seriously think that hollings can make an impact ? I mean we've had the guy 2 years and he is ALWAYS hurt, some question Davis durability, but i can gurantee that he is way more durable than hollings !

Wolf
02-08-2005, 01:55 AM
funny thing is that when DD went down, Wells had 2 good games and people took notice and said "wow, look at Wells" and off the top of my head, I can't remember if wells had 2 100 yard games or just 1... My point is we have solid RB's but no one spectacular and strike fear in a defense. we have backs that have a hard time making people miss on a regular basis and a defense is scared to leave us one on one in the flat

DD is definitely our starter till someone better comes along and it is his job to lose

TexansTrueFan
02-08-2005, 10:16 AM
funny thing is that when DD went down, Wells had 2 good games and people took notice and said "wow, look at Wells" and off the top of my head, I can't remember if wells had 2 100 yard games or just 1... My point is we have solid RB's but no one spectacular and strike fear in a defense. we have backs that have a hard time making people miss on a regular basis and a defense is scared to leave us one on one in the flat

DD is definitely our starter till someone better comes along and it is his job to lose


so your telling me that D.D isnt good at making people miss ? Cause from what i see he is actually really good at fooling defenders and picking up extra yardage !

Vinny
02-08-2005, 11:41 AM
vinny you seriously think that hollings can make an impact ? I mean we've had the guy 2 years and he is ALWAYS hurt, some question Davis durability, but i can gurantee that he is way more durable than hollings ! It's possible, but I really never made that point in my post.

TexansTrueFan
02-08-2005, 11:43 AM
haha na vinny i wasnt saying ya made that point, i was more or less asking if ya thought he could make an impact or not ! i honestly dont think he can.

Vinny
02-08-2005, 12:29 PM
I still think it is a possiblity. For instance, it took Kevin Greene 4 years to record his 17th NFL regular season sack. He went on to many Pro Bowls, and multiple double digit sack years after his 3 year learning period. Some guys take longer to mature than others.

ledzeppelin229
02-08-2005, 01:00 PM
The downside of it taking longer for a RB to mature is RBs typically have shorter careers. But he also didn't play a whole lot of RB in college or even the past 2 years because of other injuries so maybe once he gets it together, he can make an impact longer than most RBs currently in the league..

TexansTrueFan
02-08-2005, 01:29 PM
I still think it is a possiblity. For instance, it took Kevin Greene 4 years to record his 17th NFL regular season sack. He went on to many Pro Bowls, and multiple double digit sack years after his 3 year learning period. Some guys take longer to mature than others.


oh i agree with you, its just him staying healthy that worries me, i mean he has yet to prove he can stay healthy, and seems a lot less durable than D.D !

Wolf
02-09-2005, 07:48 PM
so your telling me that D.D isnt good at making people miss ? Cause from what i see he is actually really good at fooling defenders and picking up extra yardage !

yes... what I see with DD is that he will make contact and break a tackle or two, but I can't remember him making someone miss and be gone... little difference between DD and say a Marshal Faulk .... or even compare AJ making someone miss and DD making someone miss.. DD is solid... AJ is a playmaker

TexansTrueFan
02-10-2005, 09:56 PM
so your telling me when he catches a pass out in the flats, and some how seems to get by the linebackers that he didnt make them miss, cause i'm sure its not his "speed" that got him by them !

Wolf
02-11-2005, 08:35 AM
what I am saying is it is funny how everyone justs hammers Wells for not being good, and DD is really good.. yet wells averaged .3 yards less a carry than DD and 1.4 yards a catch less than DD.

To me When AJ gets the ball, I know he has the ability to break it open, on DD to break one all the stars and planets have to align right. (i.e. Tennessee game).. Don't get me wrong, I like DD, but I see him as a solid RB and more of a 3rd down back.

Runner
02-11-2005, 09:25 AM
Personally, I think Wells should get more time. When he is asked to step up, he really brings it.

infantrycak
02-11-2005, 10:23 AM
what I am saying is it is funny how everyone justs hammers Wells for not being good, and DD is really good.. yet wells averaged .3 yards less a carry than DD and 1.4 yards a catch less than DD.

What is funny to me is Wells had two seasons where he showed nothing and then had a couple of good games and folks start to think he is the second coming while DD has had two good seasons with a few off games and most of the folks that post about him are making up ways to come up with derogatory stuff like empty yards, we lose when he is in the game, he can't out run anyone, he never gets runs over 20 yds, he can't break tackles, he can't make people miss, etc.

TheOgre
02-11-2005, 10:33 AM
Wells is a marginal backup. DD is a solid starter, but IMO is better suited to be a backup. Hollings is just a step up from Joppru in terms of his contributions to the team to date. I don't think we have truly seen Hollings or Joppru yet. We may never see them do anything either. I hope that we get more clarity on those two guys this season, for better or worse. This is the season each needs to contribute or we should let them go.

I think the team needs to either sign a FA RB or draft one in the first 4 rounds (probably 3rd or 4th).

Wolf
02-11-2005, 10:43 AM
What is funny to me is Wells had two seasons where he showed nothing and then had a couple of good games and folks start to think he is the second coming while DD has had two good seasons with a few off games and most of the folks that post about him are making up ways to come up with derogatory stuff like empty yards, we lose when he is in the game, he can't out run anyone, he never gets runs over 20 yds, he can't break tackles, he can't make people miss, etc.
in all fairness compare the offensive line from 2002 to now
that is what I am saying.. Wells ran with the same offensive line as DD this season and their averages are about the same

and exactly.. Wells have 2 good games and yes people was saying that he is the 2nd coming of DD ..I am just pointing out the different viewpoints on the 2 runners

Wolf
02-11-2005, 10:45 AM
Wells is a marginal backup. DD is a solid starter, but IMO is better suited to be a backup. Hollings is just a step up from Joppru in terms of his contributions to the team to date. I don't think we have truly seen Hollings or Joppru yet. We may never see them do anything either. I hope that we get more clarity on those two guys this season, for better or worse. This is the season each needs to contribute or we should let them go.

I think the team needs to either sign a FA RB or draft one in the first 4 rounds (probably 3rd or 4th).

I totally agree. We need another RB or Hollings needs to prove he can do it. DD is solid but not spectacular

infantrycak
02-11-2005, 10:49 AM
in all fairness compare the offensive line from 2002 to now
that is what I am saying.. Wells ran with the same offensive line as DD this season and their averages are about the same

True, but in all fairness Wells' motivation of having been benched is also a big reason for the improvement. He displayed more bad running traits in 2002 regardless of the line than DD has ever thought about showing--geez in 2002 Wells almost put on a grass skirt and danced a hula behind the line before passing out as soon as the Mai Tai guy came around. He ran much better last year though.

and exactly.. Wells have 2 good games and yes people was saying that he is the 2nd coming of DD ..I am just pointing out the different viewpoints on the 2 runners

Saying kind of the same thing from differenct angles looks like. Both backs need to be judged on the same scale.

Wolf
02-11-2005, 10:53 AM
seeing Wells in run before this year, he always looked shellshocked, yet running this year, I saw improvement, but he still doesn't dish out the punishment for the size of body he has.. DD dishes out more punishment IMO

TexansTrueFan
02-11-2005, 04:31 PM
seeing Wells in run before this year, he always looked shellshocked, yet running this year, I saw improvement, but he still doesn't dish out the punishment for the size of body he has.. DD dishes out more punishment IMO


very true, even though D.D doesnt have great size, he still has a lot of power and the ability to run over defenders, and he is also very hard to tackle. Wells seems to go down a lot easier than Davis IMO !

cj5776
02-11-2005, 11:57 PM
It seems like DD is more than a third back but seems to need a more capable backup. Since only 3 running backs are kept on the roster, won't there be some trade value for J Wells?

shansmacker
02-12-2005, 09:30 AM
How can anyone in their right mind see DD as anything other than a bonifide NFL starting RB?I mean what else does he have to do?The guy is going into his third year having back to back 1000 yd seasons,he is an excellant reciever,elusive,quick and strong.Best of all he,s just geting started.

CoachJim
02-12-2005, 09:44 AM
How can anyone in their right mind see DD as anything other than a bonifide NFL starting RB?I mean what else does he have to do?The guy is going into his third year having back to back 1000 yd seasons,he is an excellant reciever,elusive,quick and strong.Best of all he,s just geting started.

The only problem I have with DD being our long-term starter is the durability issue. He has all the tools to be our starter if he can stay healthy & keep his fumble problems behind him.

Wolf
02-12-2005, 10:10 AM
right coach Jim

I like DD and he is solid.. I'll be ok with him being our started next season if we dont' pick up someone else.
maybe I am wrong (and again I am not bashing DD) but teams know that they are better off letting DD keep the ball than rotate over and leave AJ one on one. Aj will hurt a defense. That is why complaints are made week after week about the playcalling of why we aren't throwing deep, why ,when we pass, we dump it to DD in the flat.Teams know to try to keep the ball out of AJ's hands

maybe I am way off base, but that is what I see.

threetoedpete
02-12-2005, 10:34 AM
:shocked

I am in shocked.... by this thread... :thud:

you guys will be lucky if your replacement will be half as good as DD.

1) Pitts dint know WTF he was doing with the zone. He play G like a LT still, he has lots to learn.
2) Wiegert Was Injured most of the time
3) Mckinney cant move people, though he does move well downfield. I hope he gest stronger or David Baas will be our starter come opening nite.


Only thing I can add to this is the o-line play, is also a function of Carrs problems. DD is a very good back. I have always said though he is not a "twenty-five" touches a game back.
Pushing DD to twenty plus touches a game will inveribly lead to streaches of games without him in the line up. And currently, the o-line is not strong enough yet to carry the weight of his loss through those streches. I beilieve though he will be the starting RB in the Texans first playoff game.
JMHO.

Runner
02-14-2005, 09:09 AM
Let me clarify. I didn't say DD was bad or needs replaced - I just said that I think Wells deserves more PT. His intensity on special teams and success last year given his limited chances has earned him some more carries. I think using him more even when Davis isn't hurt would be a nice change up.

It is interesting to watch Wells on special teams, especially if you compare his attitude with that of Mack's pouting the previous year when Davis became the starter.

TheOgre
02-14-2005, 10:00 AM
It seems like DD is more than a third back but seems to need a more capable backup. Since only 3 running backs are kept on the roster, won't there be some trade value for J Wells?

Wells is hardly holding on to a roster slot. What makes you think anyone wants to trade for him?