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gwallaia
08-06-2009, 05:00 PM
He would be awesome lined up opposite AJ!:specnatz:

The ridiculousness of a guy who’s never caught a professional pass deeming $20-something million “unacceptable” is a testament to the troublesome way the NFL pays its rookies. A sense of youthful entitlement combines with a flawed structure so that the unproven rookie often makes more than the veteran All-Pro

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=dw-michaelcrabtree080609&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Stemp
08-06-2009, 05:05 PM
I believe his cousin, who is also an "advisor", said this, not Crabtree or his agent. His agent has denied holding out and apparently Crabtree has been with the team, though still recovering and not an active participant.

If it's true though, Crabtree is going to be in for a major surprise when he doesn't get drafted in the first 3 rounds because teams aren't going to want to deal with his BS.

However, Crabtree's agent told ESPN.com that no such threat has been made on his part.

Addressing the report, agent Eugene Parker told ESPN.com on Thursday afternoon: "You've known me a long time and I'm not a guy who makes threats. Nor am I a guy who negotiates in the public. I don't know where this came from but no such threat has been made."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4381335

Wolf
08-06-2009, 05:07 PM
wow..unreal..if they want to play hardball

maybe every rookie should get a guaranteed base salary (staggered by round picked) and loaded with incentives

Goldensilence
08-06-2009, 05:09 PM
That's just momumentally stupid.

It would be funny to see him hold out all year and enter next year's draft. I'd be willing to bet he'd like back a lot further then 10.

gwallaia
08-06-2009, 05:12 PM
This is based on mock drafts! If he wins and plays this year, I bet he gets his punk ass drilled on the field by some of these lesser paid veteran defensive backs.

ChrisG
08-06-2009, 05:16 PM
i can c y he wasn't taken as the 1st wr..i would take a tier two WR with a good attitude over a top tier with a bad attitude and character issues (ie: Crabtree)

alphajoker
08-06-2009, 05:22 PM
Raiders aren't looking too foolish now.

ESAD2-14
08-06-2009, 05:23 PM
Wonder how much $$ his cousin/adviser thinks Crabtree is going to cut him on when or if he signs his deal. Probably just cost himself a good chunk of change if Crabtree or his agent have not said anything of the sort concerning payment based off of Mock Drafts.

Then again instances like this only make the case stronger for instituting rookie salaries.

Heath Shuler
08-06-2009, 05:31 PM
I believe his cousin, who is also an "advisor", said this, not Crabtree or his agent.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4381335

San Francisco 49ers receiver Michael Crabtree is prepared to sit out this season and re-enter the NFL draft in 2010, David Wells, Crabtree's cousin and adviser, said Thursday.

Cousin and adviser; sounds like a great plan.

Heath Shuler
08-06-2009, 05:40 PM
http://lubbockonline.com/stories/010809/spo_375124880.shtml

[QUOTE]Wells, who Crabtree mentions from time to time in interviews, is a bail bondsman who gained a higher profile in the mid-1990s by serving as a bodyguard for Michael Irvin, the then-Dallas Cowboys' wide receiver. A boxing trainer, Wells also worked with the young Crabtree on developing his skills through drills in the ring.[QUOTE]

Bail bondsman, bodyguard, boxing trainer, agent, spokesman, what can't this guy do?

Wolf
08-06-2009, 05:50 PM
I'm jealous

signed
http://www.elchapista.com/foro/images/avatars/gallery/avatars/mcgiver.jpg

mexican_texan
08-06-2009, 05:55 PM
Raiders aren't looking too foolish now.

Unfortunately, I hear Hayward-Bey is dropping passes left and right.

ChrisG
08-06-2009, 06:10 PM
crabtrees empty spot hasnt caught a pass yet

Double Barrel
08-06-2009, 06:21 PM
The NFL is the only business that unproven rookies out of college can demand their price with their new employer. The idea that a rookie that's never played a down of NFL ball making the most money on a team is crazy ridiculous. The time has come to overhaul the system. This is just stupid money at this point for guys that have proven absolutely nothing but what agent they chose.

Speedy
08-06-2009, 06:35 PM
The NFL is the only business that unproven rookies out of college can demand their price with their new employer. The idea that a rookie that's never played a down of NFL ball making the most money on a team is crazy ridiculous. The time has come to overhaul the system. This is just stupid money at this point for guys that have proven absolutely nothing but what agent they chose.

It happens in baseball too. It's just not as ridiculous as the NFL.

Vinny
08-06-2009, 08:01 PM
Wells, who Crabtree mentions from time to time in interviews, is a bail bondsman who gained a higher profile in the mid-1990s by serving as a bodyguard for Michael Irvin, the then-Dallas Cowboys' wide receiver. A boxing trainer, Wells also worked with the young Crabtree on developing his skills through drills in the ring.

Bail bondsman, bodyguard, boxing trainer, agent, spokesman, what can't this guy do?
in the hood, they calls it pimpin'.

texasguy346
08-06-2009, 08:03 PM
in the hood, they calls it pimpin'.

That might actually be sig worthy :shades:

But I think I'll stick with the crunkatude.

Texan JBZ
08-06-2009, 09:34 PM
Diva, girl, DIVA!!! (snapping fingers in a z-pattern and rolling head in a circle with off hand on hip). Wow, no wonder why 9 teams passed on him. There was a report that came out during OTAs that Crabtree was late for a meeting. Singletary, being the cremepuff of a coach he is, makes the entire team run extra for it. Crabtree doesn't even as much apologize to his teammates. What a clown! Too bad for the 9ers and their fans. They just drafted T.O. version2.0!

Second Honeymoon
08-06-2009, 09:47 PM
Misleading subject title. I had heard about his cousin err esteemed adviser saying that he would re-enter the draft but not that he had decided to do it. This cousin is a moron. No stupider words had ever been spoken.

That guy actually cost Crabtree money because now Crab looks like a moron and the 49ers are letting the public get a look at what this guy is asking for without them having to get their hands dirty. Now Crabtree loses all sympathy publically and the pressure is off the 49ers management to meet his ridiculous demands.

There is NO way that Crabtree goes back into the draft in 2010. His stock would plummet like no other and needless to say Front Offices around the league wouldn't be chomping at the bit to get the guy signed. This is the worst bluff of all time. Even if Crabtree worked out great (which he has yet to do) he would be selected no earlier than #15 overall. I could even see him drop to the late 1st Round if the guy proved to be dumb enough to sit out.

He is trying to pull an Elway but Elway had a fallback plan. Pitch for the Yankees. Elway was an insane pitching prospect and already had contract ready to be signed if the Colts drafted him. Crabtree is just bitter because Al Davis gave him the finger and he wasn't #1 WR in the draft. He knows that cost him millions and he only has himself and his lack of quality workouts to blame.

I hope he does do the insane thing and go into the draft though. Oh man, how the mighty would fall.

Kulluminatii
08-07-2009, 12:48 AM
LOL. Oh man, Im loving this. I'll admit, I did want the Raiders to draft Cashtree, and was po'ed for a while when we drafted DHB. But I really think DHB has potential...and from what I have heard/read DHB is dropping less and less balls by the day.


IF Crabs enters the 2010 draft...I have a feeling good ol' Al might take him:gun:.

Goldensilence
08-07-2009, 01:06 AM
http://www.nfl.com/trainingcamp/story?id=09000d5d811b6216&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Maybe there is more to it then just the cousin speaking out?

infantrycak
08-07-2009, 01:14 AM
The NFL is the only business that unproven rookies out of college can demand their price with their new employer. The idea that a rookie that's never played a down of NFL ball making the most money on a team is crazy ridiculous. The time has come to overhaul the system. This is just stupid money at this point for guys that have proven absolutely nothing but what agent they chose.

I hope he does (although unlikely) because it would be the best catalyst for getting reform in on the upper half of the 1st round. After that the money isn't crazy - at least by NFL standards. Folks aren't getting paid top 5 money or better without having played a down.

Texecutioner
08-07-2009, 01:58 AM
Raiders aren't looking too foolish now.

Yes, they are. They didn't make the right pick by any stretch of the imagination. Bey is not impressing anyone, and that was a huge reach to take Bey that early.

Texecutioner
08-07-2009, 02:00 AM
IF Crabs enters the 2010 draft...I have a feeling good ol' Al might take him:gun:.

THe funny thing is, that's exactly what he would do.

mexican_texan
08-07-2009, 02:48 AM
Crabtree is a bit slow.

pbat488
08-07-2009, 03:04 AM
The NFL is the only business that unproven rookies out of college can demand their price with their new employer. The idea that a rookie that's never played a down of NFL ball making the most money on a team is crazy ridiculous. The time has come to overhaul the system. This is just stupid money at this point for guys that have proven absolutely nothing but what agent they chose.

I agree..

Here's a little game...

Here's two salaries..

A) 6 years, 42 million guaranteed

B) 6 years, 35 million guaranteed

One player has won a Super Bowl, been a Super Bowl MVP, been to a Pro Bowl, and established himself as a legit starter in this league.

The other player has never taken a snap in a game nor has he proven himself to be worth anywhere close to the amount he got paid.

The players? A) Matt Stafford and B) Eli Manning.

Is it just me or is this disgusting? Eli deserved a new contract from the one he had, but this new one, at least to me, seems grossly overdone. He is a good player and I would like to lock him up if he is my QB, but he is making more than his brother, Tom Brady, Roethlisberger, and Palmer; who are all arguably better QBs than him, not too mention other players that in my opinion are worth more.

The fact that Stafford is making more than all of them... :gun:

sakebomb
08-07-2009, 06:27 AM
I hope he does it just so I can see how his career turns out by sitting out an entire year.

TimeKiller
08-07-2009, 08:21 AM
I agree..

Here's a little game...

Here's two salaries..

A) 6 years, 42 million guaranteed

B) 6 years, 35 million guaranteed

One player has won a Super Bowl, been a Super Bowl MVP, been to a Pro Bowl, and established himself as a legit starter in this league.

The other player has never taken a snap in a game nor has he proven himself to be worth anywhere close to the amount he got paid.

The players? A) Matt Stafford and B) Eli Manning.

Is it just me or is this disgusting? Eli deserved a new contract from the one he had, but this new one, at least to me, seems grossly overdone. He is a good player and I would like to lock him up if he is my QB, but he is making more than his brother, Tom Brady, Roethlisberger, and Palmer; who are all arguably better QBs than him, not too mention other players that in my opinion are worth more.

The fact that Stafford is making more than all of them... :gun:

Maybe Eli Manning should've been the first pick of the draft....

Specnatz
08-07-2009, 09:32 AM
The NFL is the only business that unproven rookies out of college can demand their price with their new employer. The idea that a rookie that's never played a down of NFL ball making the most money on a team is crazy ridiculous. The time has come to overhaul the system. This is just stupid money at this point for guys that have proven absolutely nothing but what agent they chose.

MLB is just as bad as the NFL as far as bonus' go. Astros drafted 21st and Jiovanni Mier $1.358 million signing bonus. So many times do you hear of players going back into the draft or instead of going from HS to the pros they go on to college for a couple years because they do not like signing bonus.

HOU-TEX
08-07-2009, 09:40 AM
Being a mild Tech fan, I enjoyed the heck out of watching Crabtree. He was a playmaker for sure, but I must admit, he's being very dumb. If he continues this absurd notion of being top 5 worthy he can kiss this season goodbye, but it sounds like he doesn't give a hoot anyways.

Crabtree, think about the other players that were drafted around you and how you're screwing them over because their freakin agents are waiting for some asshat at #10 to sign. Ugh!

Runner
08-07-2009, 09:54 AM
If he sits out a year he'll never make up the lost money he'd get if he signed the contract offered to a pick in his draft slot. I'd like to see it just to see what happens next year.

Porky
08-07-2009, 11:46 AM
I would like nothing better than to see him sit out. Doubt it happens though. I like to see the obnoxious arrogant types get knocked down a peg or two. At this point, his mouth is writing checks his ass can't cash.

And yes, the system needs to be totally over-hauled as it relates to rookies.

Double Barrel
08-07-2009, 12:25 PM
It happens in baseball too. It's just not as ridiculous as the NFL.

MLB is just as bad as the NFL as far as bonus' go. Astros drafted 21st and Jiovanni Mier $1.358 million signing bonus. So many times do you hear of players going back into the draft or instead of going from HS to the pros they go on to college for a couple years because they do not like signing bonus.

Thanks for the info, y'all. I didn't realize that MLB was in the same boat. My statement should read "pro sports is the only business that unproven rookies out of college can demand their price with their new employer."

All of this on the back of taxpayer-funded stadiums, too. What a crazy business model.

Specnatz
08-07-2009, 12:54 PM
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2009/267224.html

This is just the Royals page from baseball_America, if you scroll towards the bottom of the page you can look and see the signing bonus' given out the last few years. The reason I picked the Royals is because they are always drafting at the top of the draft.

Goldensilence
08-07-2009, 03:57 PM
Man it must be difficult to be a Niners fan right now.

http://www.nfl.com/trainingcamp/story?id=09000d5d811bc46b&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Spled
08-10-2009, 08:14 PM
He ought to think about the problems Cedric Benson had when he brought a diva attitude to the NFL.

swtbound07
08-10-2009, 08:44 PM
I'm never going to tell another grown man to shut up and take an employment contract. I'm never going to tell him what his career is worth. It's a foolish exercise. He has every right to negotiate his salary. He has every right to not play for what he deems inadequate compensation. I don't see the urge to rail at him or his supposed "attitude".

Would you people be lining up to yell at my dad in the oil refinerys, back when he was on strike for a pay raise? Do you think he was making enough and should have been greatful for the job?

Get out of Crabtree's life. He has the skillset, he thinks he has leverage, and he has no obligation to "settle" for what the 49ers think he's worth.

JCTexan
08-10-2009, 10:18 PM
There's no way he's going to enter the 2010 draft. What could he possibly have to gain by doing that? There would be no way he goes in the top ten after sitting out a year. He could possibly not even go in the first round. Teams won't want to take the risk of him sitting out again.

Being a mild Tech fan, I enjoyed the heck out of watching Crabtree. He was a playmaker for sure, but I must admit, he's being very dumb. If he continues this absurd notion of being top 5 worthy he can kiss this season goodbye, but it sounds like he doesn't give a hoot anyways.

Crabtree, think about the other players that were drafted around you and how you're screwing them over because their freakin agents are waiting for some asshat at #10 to sign. Ugh!

Couldn't Crabtree make the same argument against those other players, since most were drafted ahead of him anyway?

Maddict5
08-11-2009, 09:50 AM
And yes, the system needs to be totally over-hauled as it relates to rookies.

there is no system. its the owners stupid fault for letting this escalate. if they all agreed next yrs #1 overall is getting a 6 yr, 40 mill with 15 mil garunteed, #2 is getting etc etc. you think all 32 players are going to sit out the whole yr? sure there'd be holdouts but they would end if the owners were steadfast & there was going to be the same money on offer in next yrs draft

Coonass Texan
08-11-2009, 03:09 PM
Man.....I really like Crabtree and still kind of do......but it would be a BIG-TIME mistake for him to sit out a year. He will drop like a ton of bricks in the 2010 draft......

He needs to recognize the opportunity he has in front of him and jump on it.....and just in case he doesn't know........Go talk to Michael Vick!

GuerillaBlack
08-11-2009, 03:26 PM
Crabtree has been an ass since his high school days. Dude had a big ego back then.

ChampionTexan
08-11-2009, 03:54 PM
there is no system. its the owners stupid fault for letting this escalate. if they all agreed next yrs #1 overall is getting a 6 yr, 40 mill with 15 mil garunteed, #2 is getting etc etc. you think all 32 players are going to sit out the whole yr? sure there'd be holdouts but they would end if the owners were steadfast & there was going to be the same money on offer in next yrs draft

The MLB owners tried it, and got nailed for collusion - correctly so I might add.

Unless and until the issue is collectively bargained, it's not going away.

GuerillaBlack
08-11-2009, 04:03 PM
They really need to follow the NBA model because these contracts are so stupid.

Specnatz
08-11-2009, 09:33 PM
They really need to follow the NBA model because these contracts are so stupid.

The NFL will, baseball will not because the MLB Union is to damn strong and they do not care about lock outs.

Vinny
08-29-2009, 01:50 PM
nice article...click the link for the whole thing.

Dear Michael Crabtree:

Hi. Just checking in. It's me. Your locker. You know, the one at 49ers headquarters in Santa Clara. Michael, I'm feeling kind of empty these days. I guess that's because I am. Empty, I mean. My shelves. My hooks. My bench. My drawers. All empty.

Oh, the number "15" is there hanging above me, looking kind of sad. It was supposed to be your jersey number before you decided to hold out and not sign the contract offer made by the 49ers after they picked you as the 10th player in the NFL draft.

Anyhow, we are moving into the fifth week of that holdout. And frankly, I am beginning to wonder if you'll ever show up. The guys are thinking of hanging a "VACANCY" sign on me. I guess it might be my new nickname — you know, just like the way Michael Jackson threw a blanket over his son's head and people started calling the kid "Blanket." And it stuck.

The way things are going, I'm afraid the same thing will happen to me — not having a blanket over my head, but getting a stupid nickname.

On the other hand, maybe I deserve it. I was actually excited when I heard the 49ers' top draft pick would be moving in. The lockers on either side of me were jealous. But across the room, one wise old locker warned me: This guy's trouble. Don't count your soap-on-a-rope before ... well, before it's on a rope.But you're still stubborn, I guess. Before the draft, the "people" around you said that you were going to make more money than any wide receiver selected. And your "people" kept saying that, even after the Raiders picked Darrius Heyward-Bey three spots ahead of you. And apparently, you kept listening to your "people."

So that's why you decided to hold out. Fine. But have you noticed something? As the days pass, the 49er fans are not especially anguished about your absence. The team is moving on, making progress, following the plan of coach Mike Singletary to become a smash-mouth running team on offense.

Think about this, Michael: What kind of rookie wide receiver would decide to be a holdout on a team with an offense based almost entirely on the rushing attack? Do I have to spell it out for you again?

Now, I hear your "people" are again murmuring that you might hold out the whole season, then go through the draft again. That makes no sense. The people who had doubts about drafting you as one of the top-five picks this year are going to have even bigger doubts next year.

Also, if the mission of you and your "people" is to become a big NFL star with lots of commercials and endorsements ... um, have you checked around? The players who get those contracts are the ones on the field, doing great stuff. So if you take a little less money from the 49ers, you might get more money from the advertisers.

During your pre-draft visits to NFL teams, the Cleveland Browns leaked out discouraging words. They said that you were a bit of a diva, with an entourage that was riding on your coattails and giving you an inflated ego. http://www.mercurynews.com/opinion/ci_13220284?nclick_check=1

Wolf
08-29-2009, 02:15 PM
not sure if it is my computer or what but link didnt' work for me..

here is what I have
http://www.mercurynews.com/columns/ci_13220284

Vinny
08-29-2009, 02:21 PM
not sure if it is my computer or what but link didnt' work for me..

here is what I have
http://www.mercurynews.com/columns/ci_13220284
thanks Wolf. I think I broke my friggin' link!

eriadoc
08-29-2009, 04:12 PM
I'm never going to tell another grown man to shut up and take an employment contract. I'm never going to tell him what his career is worth. It's a foolish exercise. He has every right to negotiate his salary. He has every right to not play for what he deems inadequate compensation. I don't see the urge to rail at him or his supposed "attitude".

Would you people be lining up to yell at my dad in the oil refinerys, back when he was on strike for a pay raise? Do you think he was making enough and should have been greatful for the job?

Get out of Crabtree's life. He has the skillset, he thinks he has leverage, and he has no obligation to "settle" for what the 49ers think he's worth.

Yeah, maybe, but what he thinks and what reality is are two different things. He has two options - sign the contract (or a reasonable one), or wait and see what happens in the 2010 draft. I hope he opts for the latter so he can lament the $23 million.

I wonder what post you'll come up with then? If dude turns down $23 million to make what will turn out to be less next year, then he's stupid. It's that simple.

awtysst
08-29-2009, 06:17 PM
I'm never going to tell another grown man to shut up and take an employment contract. I'm never going to tell him what his career is worth. It's a foolish exercise. He has every right to negotiate his salary. He has every right to not play for what he deems inadequate compensation. I don't see the urge to rail at him or his supposed "attitude".

Would you people be lining up to yell at my dad in the oil refinerys, back when he was on strike for a pay raise? Do you think he was making enough and should have been greatful for the job?

Get out of Crabtree's life. He has the skillset, he thinks he has leverage, and he has no obligation to "settle" for what the 49ers think he's worth.

I think its a different situation. I do not know you or your father, but I imagine he probably worked at the oil refinery a while and knew his job pretty well. In contrast, Crabtree does not know his job. He does not know the routes he needs to run, does not know the playbook, and does not know the small timing aspects of his QB.

Crabtree has no real leverage. He could sit out (which is what he is doing), but at the end of the day he will sign the contract or not sign it. If the 49ers do not sign him, their only loss is that he is not on the field. Since he is not even on the same page as the team, he will take time to get there. It might be until week 4 or 5 until he makes a contribution. In contrast, if Crabtree does not sign, he cannot make any $. He cannot pay for all the nice things he has bought and he cannot return to Tech.

SF owns his rights until the next draft. That means HE CANNOT workout for other teams should he choose to sit out. So, next year when all the WRs are at the combine, scouting days, and at team workouts Crabtree will be sitting at home. Will NFL teams draft him HIGHER after sitting out for a whole year? Nope. He will probably tumble way down and be offered a fraction of what he would make now.

NFL draft is all about slotting. His number has been offered. He has every right to negotiate his contract, but he also needs to realize that there is no more room to negotiate. His actions speak of immaturity and not planning ahead. I think Crabtree is playing a game he simply cannot win.

In many of life's decisions it is import ant to ask this simple question: whats the best/worst thing that could happen and how likely is it to happen. In Crabtree's case the worst case scenario is FAR likelier than a best case scenario. Therefore the wise person would abandon his strategy and sign his deal immediately. The immature person would continue forward in order to save face.

texasguy346
08-29-2009, 06:34 PM
Yeah, maybe, but what he thinks and what reality is are two different things. He has two options - sign the contract (or a reasonable one), or wait and see what happens in the 2010 draft. I hope he opts for the latter so he can lament the $23 million.


I'm curious to see how Crabtree's situation plays out. If he sits out this season to re-enter the draft next season I can't imagine him going top ten. Next years draft will feature QBs like McCoy, Snead, and Bradford. Throw in some of the top defensive prospects like Taylor Mays and Terrance Cody, and it becomes even more difficult to see Crabtree going top ten. He may believe he should be the highest paid WR in this draft, but that won't happen. The sooner he realizes that the better off he'll be.

mattieuk
08-29-2009, 06:39 PM
First up, I want to see Crabtree do his stuff in the NFL...I think he'll be pretty beastly.

But....on the holdout issue.

I think he has a fair chance of actually holding out through the season. Either at the moment, he is not really kicking and screaming, throwing threats about holding out...the main source of this was his 'advisor' speaking out of turn, and everyone since then has tried to quell the issue. If he was just trying to bump up the contract value in a short term move, he'd try and scare the 49ers into giving him more, to save him going drafting again next year.

Either he is going to take something close to what he has been offered, or, he is going to sit out, IMO. I personally believe that he should have gotten the top WR's money, or equal to it, and I'm not sure that will be given. The only way I can see this really working out, without the 49ers suddenly buckling, is with a largely incentive-based contract, to make sure he works his ass off when/if he signs.

CloakNNNdagger
08-29-2009, 06:54 PM
First up, I want to see Crabtree do his stuff in the NFL...I think he'll be pretty beastly.

But....on the holdout issue.

I think he has a fair chance of actually holding out through the season. Either at the moment, he is not really kicking and screaming, throwing threats about holding out...the main source of this was his 'advisor' speaking out of turn, and everyone since then has tried to quell the issue. If he was just trying to bump up the contract value in a short term move, he'd try and scare the 49ers into giving him more, to save him going drafting again next year.

Either he is going to take something close to what he has been offered, or, he is going to sit out, IMO. I personally believe that he should have gotten the top WR's money, or equal to it, and I'm not sure that will be given. The only way I can see this really working out, without the 49ers suddenly buckling, is with a largely incentive-based contract, to make sure he works his ass off when/if he signs.

Which is how ALL rookie contracts should be structured!

mattieuk
08-29-2009, 07:22 PM
Which is how ALL rookie contracts should be structured!

Not a chance, that would make farrrr to much sense!

WWJD
08-29-2009, 09:45 PM
I don't understand Crabtree at all.

I have heard the big ego stories for a long time though...he certainly could do worse than the Niners.

Hervoyel
08-29-2009, 10:58 PM
Honestly, this guy never crosses my mind unless I happen to see this thread.

Wolf6151
08-29-2009, 11:38 PM
I'm just glad he's someone elses problem. Crabtree is an ***** for holding out and I'm betting that some SS/FS is just waiting to welcome him into the NFL, maybe even one of his own teammates. Crabtree is also setting himself up for years of trouble in the NFL if this is the way he acts now, it's most likely the way he'll act in 2 yrs. when he wants to renegotiate his rookie contract. This guy is the next T.O., Brandon Marshall, Chad "*****" Johnson, etc...

GuerillaBlack
08-30-2009, 01:24 AM
The only thing I'm worried about is my fantasy football team. Crabtree should be a good bye-week replacement. I'm counting on him. I don't give a damn about the money, just Crabtree get me some points.

4Texans
08-31-2009, 01:25 PM
Crabtree's officially the last 1st rounder not to sign. I can't believe Eugene Parker would stick with him this long. It can't be any good for his future clients to see him involved with a kid like this. I like Mike Singletary, and it's a shame to see them waste a 1st round pick on guy with this kind of attitude.

bah007
08-31-2009, 02:32 PM
I think its a different situation. I do not know you or your father, but I imagine he probably worked at the oil refinery a while and knew his job pretty well. In contrast, Crabtree does not know his job. He does not know the routes he needs to run, does not know the playbook, and does not know the small timing aspects of his QB.

Crabtree has no real leverage. He could sit out (which is what he is doing), but at the end of the day he will sign the contract or not sign it. If the 49ers do not sign him, their only loss is that he is not on the field. Since he is not even on the same page as the team, he will take time to get there. It might be until week 4 or 5 until he makes a contribution. In contrast, if Crabtree does not sign, he cannot make any $. He cannot pay for all the nice things he has bought and he cannot return to Tech.

SF owns his rights until the next draft. That means HE CANNOT workout for other teams should he choose to sit out. So, next year when all the WRs are at the combine, scouting days, and at team workouts Crabtree will be sitting at home. Will NFL teams draft him HIGHER after sitting out for a whole year? Nope. He will probably tumble way down and be offered a fraction of what he would make now.

NFL draft is all about slotting. His number has been offered. He has every right to negotiate his contract, but he also needs to realize that there is no more room to negotiate. His actions speak of immaturity and not planning ahead. I think Crabtree is playing a game he simply cannot win.

In many of life's decisions it is import ant to ask this simple question: whats the best/worst thing that could happen and how likely is it to happen. In Crabtree's case the worst case scenario is FAR likelier than a best case scenario. Therefore the wise person would abandon his strategy and sign his deal immediately. The immature person would continue forward in order to save face.

This.

Everyone who peeks their head into this thread should read this post.

Rookies have all the leverage up until the preseason starts. Teams will pay more than they want to so that they can get the kid in in time to prepare for the season.

Once the preseason hits the rookies lose all leverage. They are too far behind to make an immediate impact on the team so they become less valuable. At this point, you either sign what they offer you or you refuse and wait until next year where you will sign for half that amount if you are lucky.

Texecutioner
08-31-2009, 02:41 PM
This.

Everyone who peeks their head into this thread should read this post.

Rookies have all the leverage up until the preseason starts. Teams will pay more than they want to so that they can get the kid in in time to prepare for the season.

Once the preseason hits the rookies lose all leverage. They are too far behind to make an immediate impact on the team so they become less valuable. At this point, you either sign what they offer you or you refuse and wait until next year where you will sign for half that amount if you are lucky.

Yes, that's exact correct. Crabtree has no leverage at this point. All he's doing right now is hurting his rookie season where he won't be prepared and he won't know the plays. The guy is not going to have good numbers for a rookie at all. Anyone who has him on their fantasy team right now, might as well drop the guy.

Crabtree is not a smart young kid either. I think he's going to be one of these players that makes bad decisions off the field and constantly fights with management. He rolls around with an entourage, he listens to a ton of idiots in his camp or his entourage or whatever, and he's not a guy with the greatest character either.

There were a lot of rumors about his door getting kicked in by the cops when he lived in Lubbock because of his room mate being a coke dealer around campus and around that territory as well. If that's true, then Crabtree simply doesn't associate himself with the kind of people that will help to keep him out of trouble. He'll have a lot of leachers around him constantly I imagine, and that's never good for the focus of any young player.

The 49ers are going to have their hands full.

Blazing Arrow
08-31-2009, 04:35 PM
If he holds out it would be hard to imagine a team betting a 1st round pick on a guy that held out an entire season. I would be surpised to see him taken until mid to late second round.

Even if he does sign I doubt Singltary will even let him on the field until the end of the season.

4Texans
08-31-2009, 04:45 PM
If he holds out it would be hard to imagine a team betting a 1st round pick on a guy that held out an entire season. I would be surpised to see him taken until mid to late second round.

Even if he does sign I doubt Singltary will even let him on the field until the end of the season.

I agree. This kid has lost his mind if he thinks sitting out a year will get him a better contract. I'm sure Singletary already regrets drafting him. If Eugene Parker has any brains, he'll drop him and move on to the next years draft prospects right now.

bah007
08-31-2009, 05:31 PM
If he holds out it would be hard to imagine a team betting a 1st round pick on a guy that held out an entire season. I would be surpised to see him taken until mid to late second round.

Even if he does sign I doubt Singltary will even let him on the field until the end of the season.

There may have been others but the only guy that I can remember ever sitting out a year after being drafted was Bo Jackson, who fell from the #1 overall pick in the 86' draft to the 7th round in the 87' draft.

I doubt Crabtree would fall that far because his circumstances are very different from Jackson's. But it is an example of how far a player can drop if they refuse to sign.

And believe me, Crabtree will get nowhere near the money he is seeking if he refuses to sign with the 49ers. Trust me, if he tries to re-enter the draft next year he will be compared to Mike Williams of USC, who had to sit out a year after declaring for the draft and turned into an epic bust. Most people would probably also say that Williams was a more talented player than Crabtree is so the chances of him busting are even more likely.

Love Crabtree or hate him, the best decision he could possibly make is to sign that contract, regardless of what he and those around him believe he is worth.

El Tejano
09-03-2009, 02:10 PM
It sounds to me like that foot hasn't healed, or he just doesn't want to play for a team who isn't cemented with a real QB. I'm thinking it's the QB situation. If the foot wasn't healed why wouldn't you hurry up and get paid?

dc_txtech
09-03-2009, 02:31 PM
It sounds to me like that foot hasn't healed, or he just doesn't want to play for a team who isn't cemented with a real QB. I'm thinking it's the QB situation. If the foot wasn't healed why wouldn't you hurry up and get paid?

I don't think it has anything to do with his foot or the SF QB's. Dude's just not that bright and he has put his future in the hands of imbeciles.

Spled
09-10-2009, 05:40 PM
Crabtree's agent also represents Richard Seymour. I can't imagine any of the teams wanting to draft his clients in next years draft.

Wolf6151
09-10-2009, 07:43 PM
They may have the same agent, but it's the player that makes the decisions and Crabtree is making a really stupid decision.

kastofsna
09-10-2009, 08:04 PM
nah, the agent makes the decisions most of the time

Ryan
09-10-2009, 08:12 PM
but the player can fire his agent.