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TEXANRED
07-22-2009, 01:12 PM
QB - Schaub / DanO / Grossman - 3
WR - AJ / Walter / Anderson / AD / Jones - 5
RB - Slaton / Brown / Moats / Foster / Johnson / Leach - 5
TE - OD / Casey / Dressen / Hill - 4
OL - Brown / Pitts / Myers / Brisiel / Winston / Studdard / Caldwell / White / Butler - 9
K - Brown / Turk - 2
DE - Williams / Smith / Barwin / Bulman - 4
DT - Robinson / Okoye / Johnson / Codey / Okam - 5
LB - Ryans / Cushing / Adibi / Diles / Bentley / June / Thompson - 7
CB - Reeves / Robinson / Bennett / Molden / GLove / Quin - 6
S - Ferguson / Barber / Harrison / Nolan / Wilson - 5

Thats 55 players. You have to make 3 cuts. Who would you cut?

I would cut White / TJ / Thompson

Ckw
07-22-2009, 01:46 PM
QB - Schaub / DanO / Grossman - 3
WR - AJ / Walter / Anderson / AD / Jones - 5
RB - Slaton / Brown / Moats / Foster / Johnson / Leach - 5
TE - OD / Casey / Dressen / Hill - 4
OL - Brown / Pitts / Myers / Brisiel / Winston / Studdard / Caldwell / White / Butler - 9
K - Brown / Turk - 2
DE - Williams / Smith / Barwin / Bulman - 4
DT - Robinson / Okoye / Johnson / Codey / Okam - 5
LB - Ryans / Cushing / Adibi / Diles / Bentley / June / Thompson - 7
CB - Reeves / Robinson / Bennett / Molden / GLove / Quin - 6
S - Ferguson / Barber / Harrison / Nolan / Wilson - 5

Thats 55 players. You have to make 3 cuts. Who would you cut?

I would cut White / TJ / Thompson

Ugh, dude the NFL Roster limit is 53 players. Also you have under CB, Glove/Quin. I think you are thinking of the same person unless there is someone on our team with the last name Glove. So that means we only need to make one cut. I would choose TJ.

m5kwatts
07-22-2009, 01:49 PM
Wheres Boomer Grigsby? I think were carrying 2 FBs this season cause we did last year... I see one of the RBs like Moats gone or maybe JerJohnson to the PS

DiehardChris
07-22-2009, 01:56 PM
We will carry two FBs again.

Goldensilence
07-22-2009, 02:04 PM
QB - Schaub / DanO / Grossman - 3
WR - AJ / Walter / Anderson / AD / Jones - 5
RB - Slaton / Brown / Moats / Foster / Johnson / Leach - 5
TE - OD / Casey / Dressen / Hill - 4
OL - Brown / Pitts / Myers / Brisiel / Winston / Studdard / Caldwell / White / Butler - 9
K - Brown / Turk - 2
DE - Williams / Smith / Barwin / Bulman - 4
DT - Robinson / Okoye / Johnson / Codey / Okam - 5
LB - Ryans / Cushing / Adibi / Diles / Bentley / June / Thompson - 7
CB - Reeves / Robinson / Bennett / Molden / GLove / Quin - 6
S - Ferguson / Barber / Harrison / Nolan / Wilson - 5

Thats 55 players. You have to make 3 cuts. Who would you cut?

I would cut White / TJ / Thompson

My two cuts to get to 53 are B. Harrison and Studdard.

I think the Glove/Quinn he meant McCain.

HOU-TEX
07-22-2009, 02:09 PM
QB - Schaub / DanO / Grossman - 3
WR - AJ / Walter / Anderson / AD / Jones / D.Jenkins - 6
RB - Slaton / Brown / Foster / Leach / Grigsby - 5
TE - OD / Casey / Dressen / Hill - 4
OL - Brown / Pitts / Myers / Brisiel / Winston / Caldwell / White / Butler - 8
K - Brown / Turk - 2
DE - Williams / Smith / Barwin / Bulman - 4
DT - Robinson / Okoye / Johnson / Codey / Okam - 5
LB - Ryans / Cushing / Adibi / Diles / Bentley / June / - 6
CB - Reeves / Robinson / Bennett / Molden / Quin / McCain - 6
S - Ferguson / Barber / Nolan / Wilson - 4

Here are my 53. Similar to yours, but with a few different twists.

-I think Jerimiah Johnson should be IR'd to get his shoulder right and to keep him off the PS.

-Moats will quickly be added back to the roster when Brown gets hurt

-I added WR Jenkins because I like him a lot. I think he might eventually replace JJ or Anderson

-I cut Studdard

-I cut LB Thompson

-You had Quin twice, so I added who I think you meant - Brice McCain

-I cut Harrison

This could very well change by the end of camp.

Jackie Chiles
07-22-2009, 02:11 PM
TJ could possibly start on PuP which is an extra spot immediately. After that I think Harrison has his work cut out for him at S. I think at best one of the rookie RBs makes it and that will be decided in TC/PS. Grigsby will take the other spot. I think Thompson has a tough time because I really like the first 6 LBs and I think one of White/Studdard doesn't make the final cut. I think you also listed Glover twice under CB so add on McCain.

badboy
07-22-2009, 02:17 PM
Ugh, dude the NFL Roster limit is 53 players. Also you have under CB, Glove/Quin. I think you are thinking of the same person unless there is someone on our team with the last name Glove. So that means we only need to make one cut. I would choose TJ.McCain the speedster would make my list at CB to take the spot you refer to. I think White would be gone with the following players I have to think on a bit. Butler and Studdard on Oline have not impressed me. That leaves 6 with Caldwell playing swing if not starter. Myers can also shift to guard. Okam and Tj would also be up for consideration to be cut.

Ckw
07-22-2009, 02:44 PM
McCain the speedster would make my list at CB to take the spot you refer to. I think White would be gone with the following players I have to think on a bit. Butler and Studdard on Oline have not impressed me. That leaves 6 with Caldwell playing swing if not starter. Myers can also shift to guard. Okam and Tj would also be up for consideration to be cut.

Yeah the only thing that worries me is if we only keep 7 OL we are really risking things if someone goes down with an injury. Of all the positions though, I do agree that I would like to cut a couple of our OL namely Studdard and White (I still like Butler). It just seems too risky to do so.

Oh and thanks to everyone that mentioned McCain. He had slipped my mind, and I definitely would like to have him on the team just to see what he can do returning kicks or punts.

m5kwatts
07-22-2009, 03:12 PM
Yeah the only thing that worries me is if we only keep 7 OL we are really risking things if someone goes down with an injury. Of all the positions though, I do agree that I would like to cut a couple of our OL namely Studdard and White (I still like Butler). It just seems too risky to do so.

Oh and thanks to everyone that mentioned McCain. He had slipped my mind, and I definitely would like to have him on the team just to see what he can do returning kicks or punts.

7 OL is very much a possibility. Heard Pitts talking about it in his last Brooke Bentley interview. If Caldwell and Butler are the 6th and 7th guys, they'd probly consider Anthony Hill to be the emergency 8th OL. I remember reading that some teams viewed Anthony Hill before the draft as a project left tackle, so in emergency situations that could be what were looking at. And if all that saves you 1 roster spot then its worth it.

Goldensilence
07-22-2009, 03:21 PM
McCain the speedster would make my list at CB to take the spot you refer to. I think White would be gone with the following players I have to think on a bit. Butler and Studdard on Oline have not impressed me. That leaves 6 with Caldwell playing swing if not starter. Myers can also shift to guard. Okam and Tj would also be up for consideration to be cut.

If you cut Butler who is the backup tackle? We already would be in a bad spot if Brown or Winston got injured we'd be absolutely screwed in your scenario. What would you do shift Pitts outside and rotate Caldwell or Myers to G? Butler is going to stay, but I agree Studdard. I just am not even sure he's backup material at this point.

ObsiWan
07-22-2009, 03:29 PM
QB - Schaub / DanO / Grossman - 3
WR - AJ / Walter / AD / Anderson / Jones (Mike, not Jacoby) - 5
RB - Slaton / Brown / Moats / Foster / Johnson / Leach - 5
TE - OD / Casey / Dressen / Hill - 4
OL - Brown / Pitts / Myers / Brisiel / Winston / Studdard / Caldwell / White / Butler - 8
K/ST - Brown / Turk / Grigsby - 3
DE - Williams / Smith / Barwin / Bulman - 4
DT - Robinson / Okoye / Johnson / Cody / Okam - 4
LB - Ryans / Cushing / Adibi / Diles / Bentley / June / Thompson - 7
CB - Reeves / Robinson / Bennett / Molden / GLove / Quin / Pittman - 6
S - Ferguson / Barber / Harrison / Nolan / Wilson - 4

Thats 55 players. You have to make 3 cuts. Who would you cut?

I would cut White / TJ / Thompson

Studdard, T.J., and Harrison don't make it. T.J. and Studdard stay hurt too much and the youngsters we have at safety look better than Harrison.

Your RB count says 5 but you've got six guys listed. That's okay because only two of these three guys - Foster/Johnson/Moats - get to stay. So five is a good number for RB/FB "bucket". Moats and Johnson look like the same sized and kind of RB to me; one of those two won't make it.

I stuck Grigsby in as a S/T guy with the kickers. We didn't go get him for nothing. I think he stays.

As others have said, GLove does not exist so I put Pittman in his place @ CB. Maybe McCain beats him out - especially since he has KR experience - but Pittman has been a starter with the Ravens so he gets the edge and McCain goes on the practice squad.

I'm not sure its a given that Bulman beats out Jesse Nading. Then there's McGlover who got hurt before we could see if he was worth picking up. My point here is that the competition for that last DE spot that is gonna be interesting to watch during camp.

I was tempted to cut Dreesen but I got nervous having two rookies as O.D.'s backup.

And for some reason I think Mike Jones beats out Jacoby. But there's not data or logic behind that assertion - just a feeling.

76Texan
07-22-2009, 03:37 PM
If you cut Butler who is the backup tackle? We already would be in a bad spot if Brown or Winston got injured we'd be absolutely screwed in your scenario. What would you do shift Pitts outside and rotate Caldwell or Myers to G? Butler is going to stay, but I agree Studdard. I just am not even sure he's backup material at this point.

Adrian Jones can also back up as swing tackle if needed.

badboy
07-22-2009, 03:39 PM
Yeah the only thing that worries me is if we only keep 7 OL we are really risking things if someone goes down with an injury. Of all the positions though, I do agree that I would like to cut a couple of our OL namely Studdard and White (I still like Butler). It just seems too risky to do so.

Oh and thanks to everyone that mentioned McCain. He had slipped my mind, and I definitely would like to have him on the team just to see what he can do returning kicks or punts.We have been able to pick up free agent players before due to injury to roster. We don't have to cut 3 Oline players to meet limit just saying some are on bubble.

barrett
07-22-2009, 03:44 PM
Butler is the only swing on the roster. In fact, don't tell anyone but if he or Brown or Winston go Down we could be in a world of hurt. The addition of Caldwell eliminates the need for either Studdard or White.

I see some issues with them keeping all 5 running backs. Mostly, because it just seems unlikely. Brown is of course a question mark every day. Johnson's shoulder does seem like a glaring issue to me. Whereas Foster's knee does not. Moats is a stop gap I believe and likely only makes the roster depending on who if any of these guys go down in TC.

I still believe firmly that Jones' spot is safe unless he really screws up in TC. I think one more season is worth the risk to them because they have such a sold WR core ahead of him. If he doens't make the squad it's Jenkins'. He was active for the last game of the season.

All four TE's are a lock in my opinion.

I'm not convinced they keep 2 FB's. Last year it was Sapp who is a tweener RB/FB I see them trying to do what they did with taylor with foster. Maybe teach him enough to be a stop gap FB in an injury situation.

The big question for depth on offense is that so much of this offense relies heavily on rhythm and they need depth to be up to speed so in that sense it's hard to say how much depth they keep.

TJ's surgery puts a new twist on that rotation. If he starts on the PUP then I think Okam survives through week 6 at least. Antonio Smith's ability to slide inside could end up being a loss of 1 player in the DT rotation. Robinson, Okoye, and TJ (sans PUP or complications) are locks. Cody, Okam and the rest aren't. I could see the Texans keeping less DT's this year with more talent at the DE position. Smith could spend alot more time at DT that originally thought.

No one is mentioning Jesse Nading who played alot the last 4 weeks of the season. He's another DE athletic guy. Probably looses any shot with the addition of Barwin but it's worth mentioning that he did see considerable playing time in the end of the year. Barwin, Nading and Bulman offer a nice rotation opposite Williams. Certianly in passing situations.

I doubt Thompson and June both make the roster. I think the starting 3 plus Bentley and Diles or Adibi (whichever isn't starting) makes up your LB core. Either June or Thompson remain as depth but not active.

CB seems a safe pick at Robinson, Reeves, Bennett, Quinn and Molden and McCain. We're still a team where rookie CB's have a pretty good shot at making the roster. At least David Gibbs has experience with all rookie CB groups.

After watching Harrison at the end of last year I don't see any chance in hell that he make the team. Injury only. Ferguson, Wilson, Barber and .... um ok, maybe he makes it but as 3rd string. It's him or Nolan. I've seen enough of Harrison to give Nolan a shot to develop.

Goldensilence
07-22-2009, 03:47 PM
Adrian Jones can also back up as swing tackle if needed.

Still takes up a roster spot. I think the staff essentially decided Buter was good enough to stick in cutting Salaam. I'm going to say Buter's spot is pretty safe.

barrett
07-22-2009, 03:49 PM
watched him some in PreSeason last year. I think he'll do well. I think he's a lock as well.

dalemurphy
07-22-2009, 03:49 PM
7 OL is very much a possibility. Heard Pitts talking about it in his last Brooke Bentley interview. If Caldwell and Butler are the 6th and 7th guys, they'd probly consider Anthony Hill to be the emergency 8th OL. I remember reading that some teams viewed Anthony Hill before the draft as a project left tackle, so in emergency situations that could be what were looking at. And if all that saves you 1 roster spot then its worth it.

You may only activate 7 on game day but no team in the NFL is foolish to enter the season with only 7 OL on the roster... perhaps a team decimated with injuries has ended the season, or played part of a season with only 7... But, show me an example of a team starting week one with only 7 OLmen on the roster... by choice.

HOU-TEX
07-22-2009, 03:54 PM
Still takes up a roster spot. I think the staff essentially decided Buter was good enough to stick in cutting Salaam. I'm going to say Buter's spot is pretty safe.

I think that's pretty safe to say given our depth at the Tackle position stinks. J. Watkins seems to fit the role of a Gibbs type of guy with him being a former TE.

IIRC, we kept 2 additional C/G's (White, Studdard) and 2 additional T's (Salaam, Butler), so who might be our Butler this season if he's taking Salaam's spot?

HouSportsWriter
07-22-2009, 03:55 PM
i disagree with anderson over ad even tho anderson shows alot of promiss
i say ad becuse of his speed and his hands =p

76Texan
07-22-2009, 03:56 PM
Still takes up a roster spot. I think the staff essentially decided Buter was good enough to stick in cutting Salaam. I'm going to say Buter's spot is pretty safe.

True, it makes more sense to keep Butler and Jones than Studdard, especially with Caldwell in. White is probably fighting for his job, as Barrett had mentioned.

badboy
07-22-2009, 03:58 PM
If you cut Butler who is the backup tackle? We already would be in a bad spot if Brown or Winston got injured we'd be absolutely screwed in your scenario. What would you do shift Pitts outside and rotate Caldwell or Myers to G? Butler is going to stay, but I agree Studdard. I just am not even sure he's backup material at this point.If either tackle goes down, I am unsure if Butler can hold a starter job. I think the team will be on look out for a tackle cast off from another team.

ObsiWan
07-22-2009, 03:58 PM
No one is mentioning Jesse Nading who played alot the last 4 weeks of the season. He's another DE athletic guy. Probably looses any shot with the addition of Barwin but it's worth mentioning that he did see considerable playing time in the end of the year. Barwin, Nading and Bulman offer a nice rotation opposite Williams. Certianly in passing situations.



I did...
:D

I'm not sure its a given that Bulman beats out Jesse Nading. Then there's McGlover who got hurt before we could see if he was worth picking up. My point here is that the competition for that last DE spot that is gonna be interesting to watch during camp.



And given his recent hernia surgery, T.J. goes from cut to the PUP list. It's still an open roster spot.

barrett
07-22-2009, 04:01 PM
David Anderson is not a playmaker in my summation. He is a hard working guy who runs good routes and knows the system well. I hope to see him improve this year. OR beat out by Jenkins or Jones.

HouSportsWriter
07-22-2009, 04:02 PM
David Anderson is not a playmaker in my summation. He is a hard working guy who runs good routes and knows the system well. I hope to see him improve this year. OR beat out by Jenkins or Jones.

ad is beter at play makeing so.... ad should win the spot =]

76Texan
07-22-2009, 04:03 PM
If either tackle goes down, I am unsure if Butler can hold a starter job. I think the team will be on look out for a tackle cast off from another team.

We can always bring back Charles Spencer.
He was cut when the Jags drafted a couple of guys.
But the Giants did bring him in for a try-out.

Can he still play?
Well, may be not! :scarygirl:

HouSportsWriter
07-22-2009, 04:04 PM
We can always bring back Charles Spencer.
He was cut when the Jags drafted a couple of guys.
But the Giants did bring him in for a try-out.

Can he still play?
Well, may be not! :scarygirl:

he plays with united football now =[

HouSportsWriter
07-22-2009, 04:05 PM
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1214574#post1214574

the link about spencer

barrett
07-22-2009, 04:05 PM
I did...
:D




You got me. Spent too much time typing up my masterpiece. I will say that I DO NOT see Nading beating out Bulman. But I could see them keeping one extra DE this year since it seems pretty much fact that Smith will slide inside on passing downs. However, I also am quietly thinking that Connor Barwin could be a superstar and if so Bulman/Nading become a single depth "athletic pass rusher type guy" so one of them would have to go. Maybe not this year though.

Goldensilence
07-22-2009, 04:36 PM
If either tackle goes down, I am unsure if Butler can hold a starter job. I think the team will be on look out for a tackle cast off from another team.

I think he'll be ok for the season if one of the starters goes down. If Both go down, we're screwed. Though I am inclined to agree on him being a long term starter.

ObsiWan
07-22-2009, 04:39 PM
You got me. Spent too much time typing up my masterpiece. I will say that I DO NOT see Nading beating out Bulman. But I could see them keeping one extra DE this year since it seems pretty much fact that Smith will slide inside on passing downs. However, I also am quietly thinking that Connor Barwin could be a superstar and if so Bulman/Nading become a single depth "athletic pass rusher type guy" so one of them would have to go. Maybe not this year though.

the interesting thing about this position is that C. Barwin is basically Jesse Nading with better name recognition.
:)

I hadn't thought of it like this before but - as much as I hate to admit it - all those guys saying "why did we need to draft Barwin when we have Bulman/Nading already? We couldda had a RB!" may have a point.
:stirpot:

Ckw
07-22-2009, 04:47 PM
the interesting thing about this position is that C. Barwin is basically Jesse Nading with better name recognition.
:)

I hadn't thought of it like this before but - as much as I hate to admit it - all those guys saying "why did we need to draft Barwin when we have Bulman/Nading already? We couldda had a RB!" may have a point.
:stirpot:

You know I think you are just trying to get a rise out of people so this isn't necessarily directed at you, but it is this type of thinking that really pisses me off. Its freakin reverse discrimination. People automatically assume that the white DE/LB is going to be exactly like the other white DE/LB that we have on our team. The only similarity between Nading/Bulman and Barwin is they are all white guys.

This is the same **** people did when we drafted Barwin and they compared him to Babin. :gun:

m5kwatts
07-22-2009, 04:49 PM
You may only activate 7 on game day but no team in the NFL is foolish to enter the season with only 7 OL on the roster... perhaps a team decimated with injuries has ended the season, or played part of a season with only 7... But, show me an example of a team starting week one with only 7 OLmen on the roster... by choice.

I was just going by what Pitts mentioned in his interview, that in the past few years we've been pushing it as far as how few lineman we have active on game day. Obviously you want depth on the inactive roster too and that will be there, but in terms of whose active on game day, its very possibly 7 is the number of OL.

TEXANRED
07-22-2009, 04:52 PM
Sorry about all the mistakes. Its been a long day at work. I was on hold for an hour and a half while I was writing this.

I even spelled Slaton's name Straton at first.

I need a beer.

Oh, and I did mean McCain.

Goldensilence
07-22-2009, 04:57 PM
You know I think you are just trying to get a rise out of people so this isn't necessarily directed at you, but it is this type of thinking that really pisses me off. Its freakin reverse discrimination. People automatically assume that the white DE/LB is going to be exactly like the other white DE/LB that we have on our team. The only similarity between Nading/Bulman and Barwin is they are all white guys.

This is the same **** people did when we drafted Barwin and they compared him to Babin. :gun:

All I'm saying both were drafted in the same round, though granted we didn't give up anything for Barwin, and have similar abilities. I know a lot of people were projecting him to be a tweener, and we're going to run him full time at DE.

I just hope he matches the hype some of the people around here are giving.That said I don't think Babin was outright terrible. I jsut think he could never match what people wanted given what we gave up for him. He also had learn a new position then move back to DE.

Gotta admit I am a little impressed with you branching out from Reverse discrimination from the NSZ to here. Fantastic!

TEXANRED
07-22-2009, 05:04 PM
David Anderson is not a playmaker in my summation. He is a hard working guy who runs good routes and knows the system well. I hope to see him improve this year. OR beat out by Jenkins or Jones.

I would have to disagree with that. I think Anderson is a playmaker. I would rank him up there with a Welker, S. Moss, Coles, Holmes.

He is fast, quick, and walks with a swagger. The best is yet to come from Anderson.

barrett
07-22-2009, 05:09 PM
the interesting thing about this position is that C. Barwin is basically Jesse Nading with better name recognition.
:)

I hadn't thought of it like this before but - as much as I hate to admit it - all those guys saying "why did we need to draft Barwin when we have Bulman/Nading already? We couldda had a RB!" may have a point.
:stirpot:


I don't know Nading's history so I'll take you at your opinion on this one but Barwin was one of the top performers at the combine across the board. He was a sack leader in his conference in 1 season at that position. I have to say that I don't expect many people to agree with you on this parallel.

Can you (or someone) back this up that Nading and Barwin have similarities in their ability? I know Nading is supposed to be an athletic DE and so is Barwin but that's as far as I know that it's similar. Physically, Barwin appears to be an elite athlete whereas Nading is "athletic" if you can see the diference I'm trying to draw.

You know I think you are just trying to get a rise out of people so this isn't necessarily directed at you, but it is this type of thinking that really pisses me off. Its freakin reverse discrimination. People automatically assume that the white DE/LB is going to be exactly like the other white DE/LB that we have on our team. The only similarity between Nading/Bulman and Barwin is they are all white guys.

This is the same **** people did when we drafted Barwin and they compared him to Babin. :gun:

Slow down there tiger. I think you're reading an awful lot of intent into his post.

steelbtexan
07-22-2009, 05:57 PM
I think the cuts will be


One of the rookie RB's

J.Johnson, Studard and Harrison

Ckw
07-22-2009, 06:25 PM
All I'm saying both were drafted in the same round, though granted we didn't give up anything for Barwin, and have similar abilities. I know a lot of people were projecting him to be a tweener, and we're going to run him full time at DE.

Nading was an undrafted free agent. Nading has also played at DE since high school, yet his best season at the collegiate level was in 05-06 when he had 10.5 TFL and 4 sacks. On the other hand, Barwin in his first season ever at the position had 16 TFL and 11 sacks.

So you say they have similar abilities yet Barwin clearly had the better career even though he only spent one season at the position. Also, lets look at their pro day numbers. Barwin ran a 4.47 40 with some clocking him between 4.43-4.45, put up 23 reps on the bench press, and at the combine had a 40 1/2 in. vertical, and a 10-foot-8 broad jump. Nading ran a 4.75 40 and had a 36 inch vertical leap. I couldn't find his bench press numbers.

I really don't see a ton of similarities other than the fact that they are both white.

Gotta admit I am a little impressed with you branching out from Reverse discrimination from the NSZ to here. Fantastic!

I'm happy I was able to impress you.

I don't know Nading's history so I'll take you at your opinion on this one but Barwin was one of the top performers at the combine across the board. He was a sack leader in his conference in 1 season at that position. I have to say that I don't expect many people to agree with you on this parallel.

Can you (or someone) back this up that Nading and Barwin have similarities in their ability? I know Nading is supposed to be an athletic DE and so is Barwin but that's as far as I know that it's similar. Physically, Barwin appears to be an elite athlete whereas Nading is "athletic" if you can see the diference I'm trying to draw.

As I posted above, there aren't many similarities between Nading and Barwin.

Slow down there tiger. I think you're reading an awful lot of intent into his post.

I don't think he or anyone else is doing it on purpose. There just is not substantial evidence to compare Nading/Babin/Bulman with Barwin other than the fact they are all white guys.

m5kwatts
07-22-2009, 06:28 PM
I would have to disagree with that. I think Anderson is a playmaker. I would rank him up there with a Welker, S. Moss, Coles, Holmes.

He is fast, quick, and walks with a swagger. The best is yet to come from Anderson.

I agree as well. DA has just scratched the surface of what he can do. Those other guys, Welker, S. Moss Coles etc. are targeted as their teams #1 receiving options basically, even if they are slot receivers. I believe DA will become an even bigger part of this offense this year being targeted more, which will lead to the bigger #'s and more recognition.

Remember his 65 yard reception in Oakland? Can't say that guy ain't a playmaker.

V3rm0nt3r
07-22-2009, 06:34 PM
ad is beter at play makeing so.... ad should win the spot =]

yeah but Anderson plays the slot better. we already have two guys playing outside in AJ and Walter and Davis is insurance if either of them went down even though i think it would be more likely that Davis goes down than either of the starters. the Texans FO and i seem to agree that Anderson has a bright future as evidenced by the rather large contract that he received in the offseason. Anderson, in my mind, is the poor mans Wes Welker seeing as they both are small, fast, run precise routes, and (do i even bring up the obvious) they are both white.

Ckw
07-22-2009, 06:49 PM
I agree as well. DA has just scratched the surface of what he can do. Those other guys, Welker, S. Moss Coles etc. are targeted as their teams #1 receiving options basically, even if they are slot receivers. I believe DA will become an even bigger part of this offense this year being targeted more, which will lead to the bigger #'s and more recognition.

Remember his 65 yard reception in Oakland? Can't say that guy ain't a playmaker.

Man I hope you guys are right. I really like Anderson as well. I just hope Kubiak gives him enough playing time to show what he can do. I would love to start utilizing him in the slot a lot more.

and (do i even bring up the obvious) they are both white.

Racist!!!! j/k

I do hope you guys can understand the point I was trying to make. There isn't really much if any similarity between Nading/Bulman/etc. and Barwin. They are white, and that really is about it. If someone wants to talk about similar athletic ability, talent, & mention that they are white, there is nothing wrong with that. But comparing a player to other less talented players just because those other players are white is wrong. It'd be the same deal if I made the assumption that a black QB can't pass because so many black QBs are run first QBs.

Killer Bee
07-22-2009, 09:11 PM
QB - Schaub / DanO / Grossman - 3
WR - AJ / Walter / Anderson / AD / Jones / D.Jenkins - 6
RB - Slaton / Brown / Foster / Leach / Grigsby - 5
TE - OD / Casey / Dressen / Hill - 4
OL - Brown / Pitts / Myers / Brisiel / Winston / Caldwell / White / Butler - 8
K - Brown / Turk - 2
DE - Williams / Smith / Barwin / Bulman - 4
DT - Robinson / Okoye / Johnson / Codey / Okam - 5
LB - Ryans / Cushing / Adibi / Diles / Bentley / June / - 6
CB - Reeves / Robinson / Bennett / Molden / Quin / McCain - 6
S - Ferguson / Barber / Nolan / Wilson - 4

Here are my 53. Similar to yours, but with a few different twists.

-I think Jerimiah Johnson should be IR'd to get his shoulder right and to keep him off the PS.

-Moats will quickly be added back to the roster when Brown gets hurt

-I added WR Jenkins because I like him a lot. I think he might eventually replace JJ or Anderson

-I cut Studdard

-I cut LB Thompson

-You had Quin twice, so I added who I think you meant - Brice McCain

-I cut Harrison

This could very well change by the end of camp.

HOU-TEX, I agree with everything here except, Adrian Jones makes the team instead of White.

In addition I believe Dreesen, Casey, or Caldwell will be our long snapper.

Jason Watkins (OT), Mark Parson (CB), and Jesse Nading (DE) will be locks for the practice squad.

Goldensilence
07-22-2009, 09:23 PM
Nading was an undrafted free agent. Nading has also played at DE since high school, yet his best season at the collegiate level was in 05-06 when he had 10.5 TFL and 4 sacks. On the other hand, Barwin in his first season ever at the position had 16 TFL and 11 sacks.

So you say they have similar abilities yet Barwin clearly had the better career even though he only spent one season at the position. Also, lets look at their pro day numbers. Barwin ran a 4.47 40 with some clocking him between 4.43-4.45, put up 23 reps on the bench press, and at the combine had a 40 1/2 in. vertical, and a 10-foot-8 broad jump. Nading ran a 4.75 40 and had a 36 inch vertical leap. I couldn't find his bench press numbers.

I really don't see a ton of similarities other than the fact that they are both white.



I'm happy I was able to impress you.



As I posted above, there aren't many similarities between Nading and Barwin.



I don't think he or anyone else is doing it on purpose. There just is not substantial evidence to compare Nading/Babin/Bulman with Barwin other than the fact they are all white guys.

I was talking about Babin not Nading. If you weren't so hell bent on the reverse racism slant you might have caught that.

My deal with Barwin is I hope he does turn out to be Jared Allen 2.0, I mean I'd be stupid to not want that.

I'm just a bit nervous about some of the posters already suggesting he might turn out to be something special. He's probably the most raw of all the DE's drafted in the first 3-4 rounds. While he made huge strides in turning into a DE his senior year, I can't help but be reminded it was at Cinci and they do play in the Big East. Not dissing the Big East or it's fans but, it's not an elite conference. He might've been able to get away with it in College but, it's going to be something different with him lining up against NFL talent. I hope he does make that jump and I think he has the ability to, I'd just feel more comfortable once I see him taking snaps in the NFL and then judging him.

dalemurphy
07-22-2009, 09:42 PM
I would have to disagree with that. I think Anderson is a playmaker. I would rank him up there with a Welker, S. Moss, Coles, Holmes.

He is fast, quick, and walks with a swagger. The best is yet to come from Anderson.

This really isn't debatable. He has nowhere near the quickness, speed, or explosion of Santana Moss, Santonio Holmes, or Laverneus Coles in his prime. Those guys are special athletes that have the advantage when single covered against most teams' top CB. David Anderson has proven to be sure-handed and fairly proficient at working the middle of the field against nickel and dime defenders. I like the guy quite a bit but he doesn't have much in common with the guys you listed other than his height and occupation.

TEXANRED
07-22-2009, 09:53 PM
This really isn't debatable. He has nowhere near the quickness, speed, or explosion of Santana Moss, Santonio Holmes, or Laverneus Coles in his prime. Those guys are special athletes that have the advantage when single covered against most teams' top CB. David Anderson has proven to be sure-handed and fairly proficient at working the middle of the field against nickel and dime defenders. I like the guy quite a bit but he doesn't have much in common with the guys you listed other than his height and occupation.

I will agree with you that it is not debatable only b/c at this time Anderson has not been put in the same starting situations that the for mentioned has. Now, that being said keep in mind that McDanials was attempting to secure Anderson's services and it ws speculated that he would be used in the same manner as Welker in New England.

I do think that Anderson has the ability to be mentioned in the upper WR group at some point and time in he career.

Ckw
07-22-2009, 09:58 PM
I was talking about Babin not Nading. If you weren't so hell bent on the reverse racism slant you might have caught that.

My bad. Instead of using the pronoun he, you should have simply begun your first sentence with the proper noun Jason Babin.

Anyway, I see your point and do agree there are some similarities between the two. That being said, Barwin has displayed much more athleticism than Babin, but both are/were athletic.

It still perplexes me why Babin failed. Was he really just not that good? Or did Capers ruin him by moving him to LB? I don't know, but I am with you in hoping Barwin fairs better than Babin did.

As you could see by my post, the majority of it was focused on those comparing Barwin to Nading and Bulman which is entirely ludicrous and is slightly racist because the only similarity between them is their skin color. As far as Babin is concerned, we could make the case that any DE/LB hybrid has the potential to be a bust like Babin. But it would seem the only DE/LB hybrids that get compared to him at the white ones.

Once again, it is similar to someone saying a black QB won't be a good passing QB because of other black QBs like Vince Young and Michael Vick.

I'm just a bit nervous about some of the posters already suggesting he might turn out to be something special. He's probably the most raw of all the DE's drafted in the first 3-4 rounds. While he made huge strides in turning into a DE his senior year, I can't help but be reminded it was at Cinci and they do play in the Big East. Not dissing the Big East or it's fans but, it's not an elite conference. He might've been able to get away with it in College but, it's going to be something different with him lining up against NFL talent. I hope he does make that jump and I think he has the ability to, I'd just feel more comfortable once I see him taking snaps in the NFL and then judging him.

When he isn't being compared to guys like Nading and Babin, I can see your point and agree with you. It is always risky when you take a player that is possibly a project. Maybe he turns out to be a quick learner because he certainly has the athleticism for the position. But it is entirely acceptable to be a bit nervous.

TexansSeminole
07-22-2009, 10:22 PM
My 53.

QB: Schaub, Dan O, Grossman

RB: Slaton, Brown, Foster, Moats

FB: Leach, Grigbsy

WR: AJ, Walter, AD, Anderson, JJ,

TE: OD, Casey, Hill, Dreesen

OL: Brown, Pitts, Myers, Brisiel, Winston, Caldwell, Butler, Studdard


DE: Mario, A. Smith, Barwin, Bulman

DT: Okoye, Robinson, TJ, Cody, Okam

LB: DeMeco, Adibi, Cushing, Diles, Bentley, June

CB: Bennett, Drob, Reeves, Molden, Quin, McCain

S: Wilson, Ferguson, Barber, Nolan

K: Kris Brown

P: Matt Turk

If TJ goes on the PUP, I would imagine Nading or another DE would take his place. Maybe Jenkins if he is performing very well in pre-season.

dalemurphy
07-22-2009, 11:40 PM
I will agree with you that it is not debatable only b/c at this time Anderson has not been put in the same starting situations that the for mentioned has. Now, that being said keep in mind that McDanials was attempting to secure Anderson's services and it ws speculated that he would be used in the same manner as Welker in New England.

I do think that Anderson has the ability to be mentioned in the upper WR group at some point and time in he career.

I'm just not sure how he's going to go from running a 4.6 fourty yard dash to a 4.3 like Moss and Holmes run. I look forward to seeing David Anderson blow by a CB on a fly pattern down the sideline.

steelbtexan
07-22-2009, 11:58 PM
I'm just not sure how he's going to go from running a 4.6 fourty yard dash to a 4.3 like Moss and Holmes run. I look forward to seeing David Anderson blow by a CB on a fly pattern down the sideline.

Me too

steelbtexan
07-23-2009, 12:07 AM
ad is beter at play makeing so.... ad should win the spot =]

Ladyes an gentulmun we have our furst spelling b champun


Public school all-star

Goldensilence
07-23-2009, 12:07 AM
My bad. Instead of using the pronoun he, you should have simply begun your first sentence with the proper noun Jason Babin.

Anyway, I see your point and do agree there are some similarities between the two. That being said, Barwin has displayed much more athleticism than Babin, but both are/were athletic.

It still perplexes me why Babin failed. Was he really just not that good? Or did Capers ruin him by moving him to LB? I don't know, but I am with you in hoping Barwin fairs better than Babin did.

As you could see by my post, the majority of it was focused on those comparing Barwin to Nading and Bulman which is entirely ludicrous and is slightly racist because the only similarity between them is their skin color. As far as Babin is concerned, we could make the case that any DE/LB hybrid has the potential to be a bust like Babin. But it would seem the only DE/LB hybrids that get compared to him at the white ones.

Once again, it is similar to someone saying a black QB won't be a good passing QB because of other black QBs like Vince Young and Michael Vick.



When he isn't being compared to guys like Nading and Babin, I can see your point and agree with you. It is always risky when you take a player that is possibly a project. Maybe he turns out to be a quick learner because he certainly has the athleticism for the position. But it is entirely acceptable to be a bit nervous.

You're right I should've said Jason Babin. I agree though it still bothers me to think that either Capers just totally whiffed on the guy or was there just more to it. I do think it was tough coming from a small school like
Western Michigan and try to transition completely to a 3-4 LBer against NFL talent. He definitely wasn't used to playing in space and it showed. I think just as he was getting somewhat a feel for the position we moved back to a 4-3 in 2006.

He was still more effective in pash rushing that year then Anthony Weaver ever was with 5 sacks in 2006 though. That was as a rush specialist and starting 3 games. Hell even last year as a chief(yeah I had to look that one up) he still almost managed better stats appearing in 7 games and starting 4 managing 31 tackles to Weaver's 45. He also notched 2 sacks. I guess in hindsight we could've done without Weaver and kept Babin and come out far ahead.

Anywho back to Barwin, I know the guy has some serious athleticism and I'm not counting him out at all. I just can't help but be bothered how bad some of the projects on this team have failed especially on the defensive side of the ball. I hope he turns that perception around for me.

steelbtexan
07-23-2009, 12:27 AM
Golden

Dont fret (maybe this will help)

Babin= drafted by CC

Barwin= drafted by Smithiak

Barwin is going to help next year and be a star in three years. (injury free)

ObsiWan
07-23-2009, 12:34 AM
You know I think you are just trying to get a rise out of people so this isn't necessarily directed at you, but it is this type of thinking that really pisses me off. Its freakin reverse discrimination. People automatically assume that the white DE/LB is going to be exactly like the other white DE/LB that we have on our team. The only similarity between Nading/Bulman and Barwin is they are all white guys.

This is the same **** people did when we drafted Barwin and they compared him to Babin. :gun:
Actually, I was just thinking in terms of height/weight/hussle in making the Bulman/Nading comparison. I think they're Vanden Bosch/J.Allen types of guys that never seem to give up on a play. They aren't freakishly strong like Mario or super quick like Freeney but they get it done with hussle. That they happen to both be white is a "so-what" in my mind. Actually, compared to the other DEs, Barwin is a little light. He better be quick.

98 Barwin, Connor*.......6-4 256 Cincinnati 1st
93 Bulman, Tim ..........6-4 267 Boston College 3rd
92 Jamison, Tim* ........6-3 263 Michigan 1st
75 McClover, Stanley ....6-2 260 Auburn 4th
72 Nading, Jesse DE .....6-5 264 Colorado State 2nd

I think our coaching staff is hoping that we find the next Jared Allen out of this bunch.

And you're right, I was just poking at the "we shouldda drafted a RB" crowd. Seems they have more of a point than I gave them credit for. At draft time I understood this was going to be a defense-slanted draft for us and I wasn't all that impressed with the 2009 RB class - and I still ain't - so I wasn't too surprised we didn't draft a RB.

Jackie Chiles
07-23-2009, 12:38 AM
My 53.

QB: Schaub, Dan O, Grossman

RB: Slaton, Brown, Foster, Moats

FB: Leach, Grigbsy

WR: AJ, Walter, AD, Anderson, JJ,

TE: OD, Casey, Hill, Dreesen

OL: Brown, Pitts, Myers, Brisiel, Winston, Caldwell, Butler, Studdard


DE: Mario, A. Smith, Barwin, Bulman

DT: Okoye, Robinson, TJ, Cody, Okam

LB: DeMeco, Adibi, Cushing, Diles, Bentley, June

CB: Bennett, Drob, Reeves, Molden, Quin, McCain

S: Wilson, Ferguson, Barber, Nolan

K: Kris Brown

P: Matt Turk

If TJ goes on the PUP, I would imagine Nading or another DE would take his place. Maybe Jenkins if he is performing very well in pre-season.

I agree with every single player on this list. The only toss up for me is Foster vs. Johnson at RB. I like them both but I am rooting for Foster because I think we could use another big back. Slaton and Moats are smallish and I trust both of them to stay healthy while Brown has talent and size but will in all likelihood breakdown at some point.

barrett
07-23-2009, 02:14 AM
This really isn't debatable. He has nowhere near the quickness, speed, or explosion of Santana Moss, Santonio Holmes, or Laverneus Coles in his prime. Those guys are special athletes that have the advantage when single covered against most teams' top CB. David Anderson has proven to be sure-handed and fairly proficient at working the middle of the field against nickel and dime defenders. I like the guy quite a bit but he doesn't have much in common with the guys you listed other than his height and occupation.


I've seen him drop a few gimmies. Chicago I think it was, a sure 3rd down conversion, right on the numbers. I'm not dogging him. He continues to improve. I expect him to be more sure handed this year.

Oh, and Coles is kind of fair skinned so they have that in common. Sort of. He also reminds me of this guy who plays guitar in a band I'm working with. He's kind of fair skinned. I bet he could be a beast in the slot!

badboy
07-23-2009, 12:50 PM
If you cut Butler who is the backup tackle? We already would be in a bad spot if Brown or Winston got injured we'd be absolutely screwed in your scenario. What would you do shift Pitts outside and rotate Caldwell or Myers to G? Butler is going to stay, but I agree Studdard. I just am not even sure he's backup material at this point.
Caldwell has started at tackle. http://www.rolltide.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/caldwell_antoine00.html
Is he an NFL starting LT? No but neither is Butler. Anyone saying Butler was better than Salaam is fooling themselves. I think it was a money for Butler vs keeping a younger cheaper player with some upside. I also think releasing Salaam took a bit of pressure off Brown and told him he had to to it all this year. Brown will eat that up. Again I never said Butler will be cut just is bubble guy.

badboy
07-23-2009, 12:57 PM
Nading and Barwin are white?

Goldensilence
07-23-2009, 01:20 PM
Caldwell has started at tackle. http://www.rolltide.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/caldwell_antoine00.html
Is he an NFL starting LT? No but neither is Butler. Anyone saying Butler was better than Salaam is fooling themselves. I think it was a money for Butler vs keeping a younger cheaper player with some upside. I also think releasing Salaam took a bit of pressure off Brown and told him he had to to it all this year. Brown will eat that up. Again I never said Butler will be cut just is bubble guy.

:thud:

You've got to be joking right?

I don't think cutting Salaam took pressure off more as it added it by saying...better show in shape and work on your conditioning you're full time this year. From what I've heard he's responded well.

To be blatantly honest the idea is borderline just dumb. We've pretty much finally have an established roster and you want to go back to holding it together with celophane tape.

I also have to add the love DA gets around here is kind of funny. I mean I think he's an alright receiver but the Welker, Moss, Holmes, and Coles comparisons are just far out of line.

dalemurphy
07-23-2009, 01:50 PM
Caldwell has started at tackle. http://www.rolltide.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/caldwell_antoine00.html
Is he an NFL starting LT? No but neither is Butler. Anyone saying Butler was better than Salaam is fooling themselves. I think it was a money for Butler vs keeping a younger cheaper player with some upside. I also think releasing Salaam took a bit of pressure off Brown and told him he had to to it all this year. Brown will eat that up. Again I never said Butler will be cut just is bubble guy.

Based on what evidence is Butler a "bubble guy". Kubiak specificly stated that Butler was excellent depth for them last year and that he should've been active more often. Since then, the Texans have cut their only other proven tackle without adding any talent at the position. So, other than throwing sh*t at the wall to see what sticks, what is the basis for your assertion that Butler is on the bubble?

barrett
07-23-2009, 02:35 PM
Dale,

Aren't you going to attack him for saying something positive (or at least not negative) about Ephriam?

I mean this guy seems to think that Butler isn't better than Salaam. Doesn't that make you really really REALLY upset? Dale? is everything okay over there?


By the way, I've rewatched many games from last year and Salaam struggled frequently. Butler doesn't have the game film to be as accurate with our opinions of him but from what I did see in preseason last year he seemed to have more ability than Salaam does now. If anything I would expect Ephriam to be worse this year than he was last year just like he was worse last year than the year before. He's on the way down. Butler should get better. And is already better than Salaam was by years end.

distant_texans_fan
07-24-2009, 12:58 AM
:texflag:
QB - Schaub / Orlovsky / Grossman - 3
RB - Slaton / Brown / Moats / Foster / Leach / Grigsby - 6
WR - Johnson / Walter / Anderson / Davis / Jones - 5
TE - Daniels / Casey / Dressen / Hill - 4
OL - Brown / Pitts / Myers / Brisiel / Winston / Studdard / Caldwell / White / Butler - 9

DE - Williams / Smith / Barwin / Nading - 4
DT - Robinson / Okoye / Cody / Okam - 4
LB - Ryans / Cushing / Adibi / Diles / Bentley / June - 6
CB - Reeves / Robinson / Bennett / Molden / McCain / Quin - 6
S - Ferguson / Barber / Harrison / Nolan / Wilson - 5

K - Brown / Turk - 2

=53. Although I do feel it is a little light on WR and heavy on TE's. I would have liked to have Bulman, as well as possibly TJ (:spit: I said possibly, don't shoot me!:gun:) and dropped a CB & S. But which WR would beat out Hill or Casey? and Who in the secondary could I drop?

ObsiWan
07-24-2009, 11:29 PM
:texflag:
QB - Schaub / Orlovsky / Grossman - 3
RB - Slaton / Brown / Moats / Foster / Leach / Grigsby - 6
WR - Johnson / Walter / Anderson / Davis / Jones - 5
TE - Daniels / Casey / Dressen / Hill - 4
OL - Brown / Pitts / Myers / Brisiel / Winston / Studdard / Caldwell / White / Butler - 9

DE - Williams / Smith / Barwin / Nading - 4
DT - Robinson / Okoye / Cody / Okam - 4
LB - Ryans / Cushing / Adibi / Diles / Bentley / June - 6
CB - Reeves / Robinson / Bennett / Molden / McCain / Quin - 6
S - Ferguson / Barber / Harrison / Nolan / Wilson - 5

K - Brown / Turk - 2

=53. Although I do feel it is a little light on WR and heavy on TE's. I would have liked to have Bulman, as well as possibly TJ (:spit: I said possibly, don't shoot me!:gun:) and dropped a CB & S. But which WR would beat out Hill or Casey? and Who in the secondary could I drop?

I nominate Harrison.
When you think about it, do we really need FIVE safeties?

And I agree, having only 5 WRs seems a little thin for an offense like ours. Maybe D. Jenkins eeks his way on the squad as a special teamer and 6th WR.
They're (Harrison and Jenkins) both probably bubble guys so whoever shows Coach Joe M. they can make noise on S/T will probably stick.

Insideop
07-25-2009, 08:16 PM
I've read most of the post here and have seen the roster predictions and I see a little problem with most, if not all. They seem to have forgotten the Long Snapper! Who will it be? :thinking: Clark Harris is listed as the Texans LS, and if I recall, he was the one they picked up last year when Pittman got suspended. I guess the question is, will Kubes go with a proven LS in Harris or will he try "Thor" or maybe Dreessen? My guess is they stick with the proven veteran which means someone else gets cut at another spot. :pirate:

Now, having said that, I think most of the "backup" spots will depend on whether or not a player is good at Special Teams. That's why I think Chaun Thompson is more likely to stay than Cato June, and Grigsby is more likely to stay than a 4th RB. JMHO!

V3rm0nt3r
07-25-2009, 11:18 PM
I've read most of the post here and have seen the roster predictions and I see a little problem with most, if not all. They seem to have forgotten the Long Snapper! Who will it be? :thinking: Clark Harris is listed as the Texans LS, and if I recall, he was the one they picked up last year when Pittman got suspended. I guess the question is, will Kubes go with a proven LS in Harris or will he try "Thor" or maybe Dreessen? My guess is they stick with the proven veteran which means someone else gets cut at another spot. :pirate:

Now, having said that, I think most of the "backup" spots will depend on whether or not a player is good at Special Teams. That's why I think Chaun Thompson is more likely to stay than Cato June, and Grigsby is more likely to stay than a 4th RB. JMHO!

im not sold on the fact that Kubes nor Marciano NEEDS a LS. it's just that Kubiak was intent on developing talent as fast as he could so the lookout for a TE/LS or some other hybrid was put on hold. however, i believe that this time has kind of ended. for example, i remember how Zonina (i didn't even try on that spelling) and Dressen were tried out last TC but neither was really said to be anything special and nobody really argued that the 53rd spot went to the LS and the old guy was set as backup until Pittman doped up. that was when Harris was brought in and did a good job.

one other thing is that he isn't REALLY a veteran... i mean i know its a young team but wasn't those his first four games last year in the NFL? and now we have semi viable second option in either Casey or Dressen who both have "expieriance" (kind of) at this position.

SteveSlaton20
07-26-2009, 03:40 AM
Qb-Schaub/Grossman/Dano-3
RB-Slaton/JJohnson/Moats-3
FB-Leech/Grigsby-2
WR-Johnson/Walter/Anderson/JJones/Davis/MJones-6
TE-Daniels/Casey/Hill/Dreessen-4
OL-Myers/Caldwell/Pitts/Brisiel/Studdard/Brown/Winston/Watkins/Butler-9

DE-Williams/Smith/Barwin/Bulman-4
DT-Johnson/Okoye/Robinson/Okam-4
LB-Cushing/DeMeco/Adibi/Bentley/June/Diles-6
CB-Robinson/Reeves/Bennett/Quin/McCain-5
S-Ferguson/Barber/Nolan/Wilson/Harrison-5

K/P-Brown/Turk-2

dalemurphy
07-26-2009, 11:40 AM
I've read most of the post here and have seen the roster predictions and I see a little problem with most, if not all. They seem to have forgotten the Long Snapper! Who will it be? :thinking: Clark Harris is listed as the Texans LS, and if I recall, he was the one they picked up last year when Pittman got suspended. I guess the question is, will Kubes go with a proven LS in Harris or will he try "Thor" or maybe Dreessen? My guess is they stick with the proven veteran which means someone else gets cut at another spot. :pirate:

Now, having said that, I think most of the "backup" spots will depend on whether or not a player is good at Special Teams. That's why I think Chaun Thompson is more likely to stay than Cato June, and Grigsby is more likely to stay than a 4th RB. JMHO!



If they are serious about running a 4-3 under and having Cushing playing up on the TE on the strong side quite a bit, then Thompson should at least get a fair opportunity to make the team since he is the only LB on the team with similar size and skill set. I'm guessing Bentley would backup at SLB if Thompson doesn't make the team and I don't think Bentley really fits that position. On the other hand, I'm happy with Diles and Adibi both fitting in at WLB.

TimeKiller
07-26-2009, 01:02 PM
QB Schaub, Orlovsky, Grossman - 3
RB Slaton, Foster, Moats - 3
FB Leach, Grigsby - 2
TE Daniels, Dressen, Casey, Hill - 4
WR Johnson, Walter, Anderson, Davis, Jones - 5
OL Brown, Pitts, Myers, Brisiel, Winston, Caldwell, Butler, White - 8

DE Williams, Smith, Bulman, Barwin, McGlover - 5
DT Okoye, Deljuan, Okam, Cody - 4
LB Ryans, Cushing, Adibi, Diles, Bentley, Thompson, June - 7
CB Robinson, Reeves, Bennett, Quin, Molden - 5
S Wilson, Barber, Ferguson, Nolan - 4

K Brown
P Turk

I think LS ends up in the hands of a non-specialist. Mostly this is what I think but I went ahead and kept Grossman even though I think his game is crap and Kubiak just wants a 3rd QB. No Studdard. Hopefully Johnson, McCain will be able to slip to the JV Squad. Johnson on PUP in light of his recent surgery. Give others the chance to step up and maybe sends him that final warning. No Harrison. No Chris Brown.

V3rm0nt3r
07-26-2009, 05:35 PM
QB Schaub Grossman Dan O-3
RB Slaton Brown Moates Foster-4
FB Leach Grigsby-2
WR AJ KW DA AD JJ-5
OL Brown Pitts Meyers Briesel Winston Butler Caldwell White-8

DE Mario Smith Barwin Bulman 4
DT Okoye TJ Robinson Cody Okam 5
LB Demeco Adibi Cush Bentley Diles Thompson 6
CB DRob Reeves Quin Bennett Molden 5
S Barber Wilson Ferguson Nolan 4

K/P Brown and Turk 2

thats 48. those are the players who i strongly believe will make this team. other players who are maybes in my book are Darnell Jenkins (JJ hasn't shown much when it comes to producing on offense) McCain (valuable STer) AJ Davis and Matteral Richardson (both fairly hyped CBs) Harrison as well as Cato June.

Houston_Breed
07-26-2009, 06:00 PM
QB - Schaub / DanO / Grossman - 3
WR - AJ / Walter / AD / Anderson / Jones - 5
RB - Slaton / Brown / Moats / Foster / Leach - 5
TE - OD / Casey / Dressen / Hill - 4
OL - Brown / Pitts / Myers / Brisiel / Winston / Caldwell / White / Butler - 8
K - Brown / Turk - 2
DE - Williams / Smith / Barwin / Bulman - 4
DT - Robinson / Okoye / Johnson / Codey / Okam - 5
LB - Ryans / Cushing / Adibi / Diles / Bentley / June - 6
CB - Reeves / Robinson / Bennett / Molden / Quin / McCain - 6
S - Ferguson / Wilson / Barber / Harrison / Nolan - 5

This is a prove-it year for TJ and Frank Okam because of the fact that TJ is under producing per his draft position and Okam because of weight. This will be Ferguson's last year as safety because of age though his production has been above reproach. Foster and JJohn are interchangeable the other will make the PS. Studdard is useless with the versatility that Caldwell brings he will be a PS guy as well. Grigsby will be gone because both Casey and Hill have shown flashes of being a solid FB even though they are TEs