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SharperFan
02-02-2005, 05:24 PM
Dear great Texans fans!

I read that the Texans will upgrade the Left Tackle Position. Can anybody please tell me what players are Free Agents to consider. The only left tackles I know who are UFA are Walter Jones and Jonas Jennings.

Thanks for your answers!

Go Texans!

infantrycak
02-02-2005, 05:26 PM
Where did you read that?

wags
02-02-2005, 05:40 PM
I read that the Texans will upgrade the Left Tackle Position.

We are upgrading every position. Salary cap be damned!

LT: Walter Jones
LG: Marco Rivera
C: David Baas
RG: Joe Andruzzi
RT: Kyle Turley
TE: Antonio Gates
RB: Shaun Alexander
WR: AJ
WR: Plaxico Burress
QB: David Carr

DE: Marcus Spears
DT: Casey Hampton
DE: Robaire Smith
OLB: Jason Babin
ILB: Edge Hartwell
ILB: Jamie Sharper
OLB: Shawn Merriman
CB: Dunta Robinson
CB: Pac Man Jones
FS: Marcus Coleman
SS: Thomas Davis

I think it can definitely happen. :slap:

LoNghoRn-TeXaN
02-02-2005, 05:46 PM
We are upgrading every position. Salary cap be damned!

LT: Walter Jones
LG: Marco Rivera
C: David Baas
RG: Joe Andruzzi
RT: Kyle Turley
TE: Antonio Gates
RB: Shaun Alexander
WR: AJ
WR: Plaxico Burress
QB: David Carr

DE: Marcus Spears
DT: Casey Hampton
DE: Robaire Smith
OLB: Jason Babin
ILB: Edge Hartwell
ILB: Jamie Sharper
OLB: Shawn Merriman
CB: Dunta Robinson
CB: Pac Man Jones
FS: Marcus Coleman
SS: Thomas Davis

I think it can definitely happen. :slap:

DAMN! That is my dream team. LOL. If that would be our team we are winning the next 10 Superbowls and claiming the title of the best football dynasty there ever will be. :jumpbanan

edo783
02-02-2005, 07:55 PM
Yea, I could see us winning a couple of games with that group.

D-ReK
02-02-2005, 08:17 PM
LoL...That would require 5 first round picks, but trade Hartwell for Kendrell Bell and you have a deal...

Regarding free agency, chances are we won't make any earth-shattering changes regardless of position...At least that seems to be what Casserly says, but that could just be smoke and mirrors...

TexansTrueFan
02-02-2005, 09:13 PM
yeah that roster sounds good to me, but HONESTLY i seem to like the core of players we have here already ! May seem crazy but i think we can win a few games with the guys we have !

dan7
02-03-2005, 09:24 AM
We are upgrading every position. Salary cap be damned!

LT: Walter Jones
LG: Marco Rivera
C: David Baas
RG: Joe Andruzzi
RT: Kyle Turley
TE: Antonio Gates
RB: Shaun Alexander
WR: AJ
WR: Plaxico Burress
QB: David Carr

DE: Marcus Spears
DT: Casey Hampton
DE: Robaire Smith
OLB: Jason Babin
ILB: Edge Hartwell
ILB: Jamie Sharper
OLB: Shawn Merriman
CB: Dunta Robinson
CB: Pac Man Jones
FS: Marcus Coleman
SS: Thomas Davis

I think it can definitely happen. :slap:


Wishful thinking..... :rofl:

TexansTrueFan
02-03-2005, 10:43 AM
Wishful thinking..... :rofl:


na its not wishful man, it can happen :shocked ,,,haha ok it is wishful thinking but does anyone like our team the way it is already ?

Blake
02-03-2005, 10:57 AM
LT: Walter Jones (FA)
LG: Chester Pitts
C: David Baas (R2 D)
RG: Zach Weigert
RT: Todd Wade
TE: Bennie Joppru / Joel Dreessen (R3 D)
RB: Domanick Davis / Cedric Houston (R3 D)
WR: Andre Johnson
WR: Mike Williams (R1 D)
WR: Jabar Gaffney
QB: David Carr

DE: Gary Walker
DT: Seth Payne (Resign)
DE: Robaire Smith
OLB: Jason Babin
ILB: Marcus Lawrence (R4 D)
ILB: Jamie Sharper
OLB: Kaliee Wong
CB: Dunta Robinson
CB: Aaron Glenn
FS: Marcus Coleman
SS: Glenn Earl

Now this looks reasonable and great. (IMO)
And yes I know there is only a 4th rounder on defense. But I wasnt unhappy with the D. Just replace Foreman.

El_DudeArino
02-04-2005, 01:54 PM
nfl.com

They got all the answers.... :howdy:

MIGHTYTEX
02-04-2005, 07:11 PM
I think we're fine at LT, its C and RG that needs help. Wand was a "rookie" this past year although he's been on the team for 2 yrs. If he improves like Pitts did in his second year at LT then we'll be set

pittbull
02-04-2005, 10:19 PM
I thought when the Steelers drafted him, he would become a great WR, but he has proved to be a Great Crybaby and a lazy receiver. He hates to run routes and feels he's in the same class as Moss or T.O.. Heck, he can't even get close to Gaffney. No Burress please. The locker room will become hell! :bouncey:

MIGHTYTEX
02-05-2005, 08:32 AM
"i dont think he will be our LT next year, he doesnt have the feet or power."

Why is everyone ready to give up on Wand all ready? Give the guy time like I said earlier he was a "rookie" at LT this year. In 2003 he was playing a blocking TE on a few plays. It takes time to develope talent. In 2002 Pitts was our LT and he didn't do so well but he made improvements in 2003 and would have mostly improved in 2004 if he was kept at LT. Wand was drafted to be our LT. Casserly and Capers must have seen something from him our otherwise they wouldn't have drafted him. All I'm saying is give the kid time and I'm sure he'll improve.

bckey
02-05-2005, 09:49 PM
We should have left Pitts out there at LT.

TexansTrueFan
02-05-2005, 09:53 PM
We should have left Pitts out there at LT.


agreed !!!!!

Texan in Japan
02-06-2005, 04:17 PM
It's tough to patience when your franchise QB is getting murdered. However, the addition of the new zone blocking scheme and to new starters on the left side was a HUGE developmental move by our team.

Wand should be greatly improved, as will Pitts this year. They could potentially be the Matthews and Steinkuhler(sp) that some of us remember.

If we really are worried, then maybe we consider signing Brad Hopkins for a couple of years to tutor/cover LT while Wand continues to develop.

BuffSoldier
02-06-2005, 10:34 PM
What if we move Pitts back to LT and draft Elton Brown or Bass to play gaurd, I think we would have an upgrade at 2 positions, then if we got the center Jason Brown in the 3rd or 4th we would have a much better o-line.

F-minus67
02-07-2005, 12:31 PM
I think everyone needs to give Wand a break. I mean he had his ups and downs, but look at Jon Ogden and Robert Gallery. Niether of them started a game a LT their rookie year and this year was basically Wand's rookie year.

TheOgre
02-07-2005, 12:55 PM
I think our first two picks should be D-line and O-line. Those are the weakest areas of the team. Then we can address other weaknesses in the 3rd round like WR and TE.

ledzeppelin229
02-07-2005, 01:33 PM
I think our first two picks should be D-line and O-line. Those are the weakest areas of the team. Then we can address other weaknesses in the 3rd round like WR and TE.

I think one of those 3rd rounders should go to an ILB (of course all depending on BPA). Either a 3rd or the 4th and the other one used on the speed WR

Porky
02-07-2005, 02:26 PM
It's tough to patience when your franchise QB is getting murdered. However, the addition of the new zone blocking scheme and to new starters on the left side was a HUGE developmental move by our team.

Wand should be greatly improved, as will Pitts this year. They could potentially be the Matthews and Steinkuhler(sp) that some of us remember.

If we really are worried, then maybe we consider signing Brad Hopkins for a couple of years to tutor/cover LT while Wand continues to develop.

Put down the pipe. Matthews is one of the all time greats, and Steinkuhler might have been as well if it weren't for injuries. Pitts and Wand together couldn't hold Bruce Matthews jock on his worst day. :thud:

TheOgre
02-07-2005, 02:36 PM
ILB is another area of concern. Perhaps we should address WR in FA and draft an ILB and TE with our 3rd rounders.

Honoring Earl 34
02-07-2005, 03:52 PM
:howdy: The Oilers had one of the greatest guard tandems ever . Matthews and Munchak did'nt take a backseat to anyone .

dalemurphy
02-07-2005, 03:58 PM
Wand was the youngest, most inexperienced member of last year's line- yet, he wasn't the problem. At LT, you're generally going to give up higher sack totals. Interestingly, the coaches almost never rotated help to his side or even chip with a back. I guess that's a good indication that they have confidence in his abilities... or, they have even less confidence in that interior OL. After all, McKinney received a lot more help in pass protection than either tackle.

Furthermore, Wand's sack total would be less if not for the regular push up the middle, and Carr's tendency to step out of the pocket when he feels pressure, instead of up into the pocket.

TexansTrueFan
02-07-2005, 07:06 PM
If there was a pocket to step up into! :loser


haha yeah thats very true ! Has there ever been a pocket ?

ArlingtonTexan
02-07-2005, 07:17 PM
haha yeah thats very true ! Has there ever been a pocket ?

I agree that the Texans allow to much pressure in general from their OL, but Carr does not seem to have a good feel for where or when to sidestep pressure versus scrammble to the sideline. IMO, his mediocore pocket presence accounts for 8-10 extra sacks onto the total. That of course, still leaves 40 (too many) for the OL and the coaching staff to figure out.

NoBullTexan
02-07-2005, 07:22 PM
The only thing wrong with the left side of the ball was that, especially Wand, but Pitts too at guard, was that they were inexperienced at the position. The rest of the OL, from McKinney, to Weigert to Wade. couldn't get their jobs done because they were all hurt at one time or another the whole season. While I agree on drafting an OC to backup McKinney, I don't see the screaming need for messing with what could become a pretty good line.

The same thing could be said for the DL, where given some more time together, they will probably be ok. The crying need is for a NT to backup Payne. The LBers are where we are really subpar. We need to draft at least one ILB and one OLB for depth and eventual replacement.

TexSon
02-07-2005, 08:07 PM
IMO, his mediocore pocket presence accounts for 8-10 extra sacks onto the total.
True... but you could also say that his ability to run away from trouble prevents some sacks as well. He has gotten better at throwing the ball away, rather than running out of bounds behind the LOS, so I think sacks due to poor pocket awareness are canceled out by his ability to run away from sacks.
Either way, the O-line stinks, and protecting Carr should be top priority.

TexansTrueFan
02-08-2005, 10:26 AM
I agree that the Texans allow to much pressure in general from their OL, but Carr does not seem to have a good feel for where or when to sidestep pressure versus scrammble to the sideline. IMO, his mediocore pocket presence accounts for 8-10 extra sacks onto the total. That of course, still leaves 40 (too many) for the OL and the coaching staff to figure out.


well i gotta say its hard to have any presence when ya have defenders coming at ya from 4 different directions and then ya got tha O-Line standing in front of ya looking stupid wondering where the defensive guys went ! So it is hard to have any pocket presence when ya have it the way carr does !

Ranger
02-08-2005, 10:16 PM
If you are going to blame somebody for the poor play at LT, than blame Steve McKinney and Zach Weigert, not Seth Wand. Like somebody already said Carr had no pocket to step into, and hardly any throwing lanes. Thanks to McKinney and Weigert the pressure was always in Carr's face, and Carr had to step back, not up and when he did step back, the DE would flatten him. Blame it on Seth Wand? No.

Just because Wand is no Walter Jones or Olando Pace doesn't mean we need to upgrade. Wand did a great job last year for what was asked of him. We drafted him last year because we thought we had great potential, he was just very raw coming from a small school. In his rookie season we worked on his technique and speed while playing him at TE. Then we went and gave him the LT job and for a second year player with no experience he did very well. He has shown a lot of progress. He only looked bad against Dwight Freeney, but so does everybody else.

Why spend our money and sit a star in the making?

Runner
02-09-2005, 08:44 AM
Did anyone see how New England blocked Freeney in the playoffs? Left end took Freeney, left guard provided initial hit on defensive right tackle. The center always moved left. If Freeney did his inside move, the left guard double teamed him, leaving the center to pick up the defensive tackle.

The Texans can't do this because McKinney can't take the tackle, even after Pitts hits him first.

This is the problem with trashing Wand. The offensive line is a team game. He is left one on one (usually) against the best pass rusher, play after play. If you want to compare the Texans O-line to other, more effective lines you can't just do a position by position match-up. You've got to look at the schemes.

nunusguy
02-09-2005, 09:57 AM
Did anyone see how New England blocked Freeney in the playoffs?
Matt Light, mid 2nd round pick in 2001 out of Purdue, not only did a good job
against Freeney, but in the SB was matched up against Jevon Kearse (who normally plays the other DE), and was also very effective against him.

wags
02-09-2005, 02:17 PM
Interestingly, the coaches almost never rotated help to his side or even chip with a back. I guess that's a good indication that they have confidence in his abilities... or, they have even less confidence in that interior OL.

They had so much confidence in him that they took him out on third downs against the Bears, in favor of Marcus Spears. :shocked

NoBullTexan
02-09-2005, 02:21 PM
You just made my point for me. Mat Light, Drafted in 2001. That means he has had a couple of years to settle into the job. Wand was not only playing his first year as the LT, he was from a tiny division II school. He is still learning th fundamentals that Light learned at big 'ol Purdue. Also Jonathon Ogden, generally considered a pretty good tackle had a ton of trouble with Dwight Freeney. If Wand had had a little help out there his sack totals wouldn't have looked half as bad. Some people need to learn a little patience.

Texan in Japan
02-09-2005, 03:31 PM
Put down the pipe. Matthews is one of the all time greats, and Steinkuhler might have been as well if it weren't for injuries. Pitts and Wand together couldn't hold Bruce Matthews jock on his worst day. :thud:
Porky,

Man u gotta believe! Wand may never be Matthews, but given time he may be pretty damn good. My point is that we need to be patient and give these guys time to jell...fix our other line issues (C & maybe RG)

Runner
02-09-2005, 03:48 PM
They had so much confidence in him that they took him out on third downs against the Bears, in favor of Marcus Spears. :shocked

And amazingly, that move didn't stop the rush up the middle! Go figure.

How many downs did Spears play after that game?

0.

wags
02-09-2005, 05:21 PM
And amazingly, that move didn't stop the rush up the middle! Go figure.

I'm all for fixing the interior of the line. I think that is the priority over LT, but that doesn't mean that Wand is "the answer." The coaches decided to experiment late in the season at LT, and that doesn't show total confidence in the position. Sure it was short-lived, but let's be honest, Spears is bad. I hope Wand is our LT of the future, but he doesn't have my total confidence.

Blake
02-23-2005, 09:25 AM
Im pretty sure if DJ, and Marcus Spears are gone, which there is a good chance of, Barron will be the pick.

Players the Texans could use. IMO

1. Derrick Johnson - I predict the Browns, or Raiders will snag him.
2. Cedric Benson - He could go to alot of top 10 teams.
3. Mike Williams - Bears, or Skins.
4. Braylon Edwards - Bears, or Skins.
5. Marcus Spears - San Diego.
6. Ronnie Brown - Cards.
7. Cadillac Williams - Bucs.
8. Pac-Man Jones - Titans.

I could even see the titans going LT with Barron. And that would probably put a CB in our lap.

But if Barron is on the Board, and Spears, and DJ are not, he is my pick.

David Carr has been sacked 140 times in 3 years.
Something has to be done.

Barron should be able to userp Wand, this year. He is a straight up LT.