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HoustonFrog
07-17-2009, 10:21 AM
Exclusive Video of the original PacMan incident in Vegas. Just plain stupid that they were throwing around that much cash

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/news/story?id=4333957

Vinny
07-17-2009, 10:36 AM
Jones told police he arrived at the club with "close to $100,000." He took $40,000 out of his Louis Vuitton bag and exchanged it for several stacks of $1 billsA fool and his money are soon parted

Hervoyel
07-17-2009, 10:41 AM
The guy is a total turd. He's the whole package. Is he even on anybody's roster at this point? I confess to having completely put Pacman out of my mind (gladly) so I honestly don't know.

HoustonFrog
07-17-2009, 10:48 AM
A fool and his money are soon parted

And Nelley was there and had like $10,000 in ones. I'd be picking up the cash too.

HOU-TEX
07-17-2009, 10:54 AM
The guy is a total turd. He's the whole package. Is he even on anybody's roster at this point? I confess to having completely put Pacman out of my mind (gladly) so I honestly don't know.

No, he is not. Hopefully he's done in the NFL.

Texan_Bill
07-17-2009, 11:50 AM
I was surprised to see Andre Johnson's name.

MightyTExan
07-17-2009, 12:11 PM
"sigh" I remember the good old days when strippers didn't have beer bellys.

chicagotexan2
07-17-2009, 12:14 PM
My cheap ass would never do something this stupid. The best I could do for these strippers is take $100 in nickles and throw those coins around. Hell yeah baby, I'd be making hail m****r *******az!!

Try putting $5 in nickels in that gstring. 'Although they do have slots too. (Not a good mental image)

sixfour
07-17-2009, 12:18 PM
You have to remember, that $100,000 to him is like maybe $250 to us working class people. As far as Andre, these are young,wealthy,aggressive guys. Its just to bad things got out of control.

Vinny
07-17-2009, 12:22 PM
You have to remember, that $100,000 to him is like maybe $250 to us working class people. As far as Andre, these are young,wealthy,aggressive guys. Its just to bad things got out of control.
um, no. 100,000 is still 100k and buys 100k worth of life no matter who's hands it is in. Instead of doing something good for his extended family he chose to give it to people who share his meager little brain size. Wealthy people go broke all the time.....it's still gonna be a hunnert K when he goes broke.

sixfour
07-17-2009, 12:28 PM
We don't know what he has done for his extended family or if he's broke. We all have varying degrees of disposable income. People may wonder why some of us choose to waste money on season tix. Money that could be used for extended family members or whatever.

Personally i could care less about how they spend what they have worked for.

Texecutioner
07-17-2009, 12:30 PM
um, no. 100,000 is still 100k and buys 100k worth of life no matter who's hands it is in. Instead of doing something good for his extended family he chose to give it to people who share his meager little brain size. Wealthy people go broke all the time.....it's still gonna be a hunnert K when he goes broke.

It's not even just that he was throwing the money around. The dispute started, because Pac man was a freaking poser with all that cash in the first place. He got upset because the strippers took the money. He wanted to look like a bad ass by throwing all of that cash around, but didn't want the girls to take it. Once they took the money, apparently he started getting all angry and then eventually grabbed a woman by her hair and banged her head against something and the melee went on from there. I remember reading all of that when it all happened. THe guy is a joke. I've seen guys throw cash around before like that, and that's there right to do if they want to throw their cash around, but you can't go to a strip club and throw it around and not expect the dancers to pick it up and take it. That's what they do all day and night.

chicagotexan2
07-17-2009, 12:32 PM
We don't know what he has done for his extended family or if he's broke. We all have varying degrees of disposable income. People may wonder why some of us choose to waste money on season tix. Money that could be used for extended family members or whatever.

Personally i could care less about how they spend what they have worked for.

I don't care either. But one would have to be a complete moron to think that "throwing" around that kind of cash in that setting is not going to lead to something bad happening.

TEXANS84
07-17-2009, 12:42 PM
I was surprised to see Andre Johnson's name.

So was I. I'm suprised more people haven't commented on this.
I had to do a double take just to see that he was at the club during the incident as well. I figured he would stay out of situations like that, including around people like PacMan.

sixfour
07-17-2009, 12:48 PM
So was I. I'm suprised more people haven't commented on this.
I had to do a double take just to see that he was at the club during the incident as well. I figured he would stay out of situations like that, including around people like PacMan.


Michael Corleone said never go against the family.

chicagotexan2
07-17-2009, 01:00 PM
woah - I just re-watched the video and heard no mention of Andre Johnson. Can someone bring me up to speed. I hope it's just a case of wrong place at the wrong time with Andre.

texasguy346
07-17-2009, 01:14 PM
woah - I just re-watched the video and heard no mention of Andre Johnson. Can someone bring me up to speed. I hope it's just a case of wrong place at the wrong time with Andre.

He's mentioned in the article below the video. It details the celebrities that were in the club at the time of the incident.

Showtime100
07-17-2009, 01:20 PM
I think I saw Texan Bill in the vid. He was standing at the dance floor's edge with a single in his hand looking like I do when I've been put on hold for twenty minutes. :D

HoustonFrog
07-17-2009, 01:25 PM
I'm not sure if PacMan was pissed they were picking up the money. I think his buddy grabbed the mike the wanted the girls to keep working and dancing instead of stopping to pick up cash.

jshabang
07-18-2009, 11:17 AM
surprised by andre johnsons name........You guys most definately dont get out in the houston night scene........

First off they are all grown man....and if they want to go to regular or strip clubs thats there business and there money

but let me be the first to break the news to you that our beloved texans and rockets for that matter live in the club scene here.....regular and strip clubs here in h-town......I see them all the time as well as every other houston rapper or celebrity....they dont be acting idiotic like pac man I will def say that....

go to harlem nights or onyx strip clubs in houston on any given weekend and you will see an all star team of texans and rockets doing this same thing......not throwing 100k around but throwing cash for sure

NitroGSXR
07-18-2009, 11:45 AM
surprised by andre johnsons name........You guys most definately dont get out in the houston night scene........

First off they are all grown man....and if they want to go to regular or strip clubs thats there business and there money

but let me be the first to break the news to you that our beloved texans and rockets for that matter live in the club scene here.....regular and strip clubs here in h-town......I see them all the time as well as every other houston rapper or celebrity....they dont be acting idiotic like pac man I will def say that....

go to harlem nights or onyx strip clubs in houston on any given weekend and you will see an all star team of texans and rockets doing this same thing......not throwing 100k around but throwing cash for sure

That's right but I don't really agree with the throwing around cash statement. I valet parked for 12 years. I've worked at nightclubs and the Mens Club as well as Michael's. Pro players as well as famous rappers were regular well tipping customers. Not once have I ever seen any kind of meelee occur like what happened at Minxx. In fact, I don't believe I've ever seen a famous person get ejected. I always see the good acts they do.

As for the valet in the article... I can fully relate. We're the first and last people when one goes to an establishment. We welcome them then we send them on their way. We see a lot going on. Dodging bullets was a part of the job. Really was.

Despite all of that.... i'd still be game for giving Pacman a shot on our team. I want to win some football games. If he can beat out our other CBs then...

gwallaia
07-18-2009, 01:24 PM
I bet you would never see Earl, Dream or Nolan in any of those joints. :play:

NitroGSXR
07-18-2009, 01:28 PM
I bet you would never see Earl, Dream or Nolan in any of those joints. :play:

I've seen Dream at TOC bar (before they moved across the street) and parked his white on white truck.

Koolaid Time
07-18-2009, 02:45 PM
That video is enough for Goodell to keep PacMan banned.

jshabang
07-19-2009, 10:40 AM
That's right but I don't really agree with the throwing around cash statement. I valet parked for 12 years. I've worked at nightclubs and the Mens Club as well as Michael's. Pro players as well as famous rappers were regular well tipping customers. Not once have I ever seen any kind of meelee occur like what happened at Minxx. In fact, I don't believe I've ever seen a famous person get ejected. I always see the good acts they do.
As for the valet in the article... I can fully relate. We're the first and last people when one goes to an establishment. We welcome them then we send them on their way. We see a lot going on. Dodging bullets was a part of the job. Really was.

Despite all of that.... i'd still be game for giving Pacman a shot on our team. I want to win some football games. If he can beat out our other CBs then...

Thats what I said......I said they dont be acting idiotic like pac man....


thats wasn't what the original statement was about....somebody said they were surprised that they saw andre johnson's name thrown about and him being in that club that night as well when the pac man shooting popped off


I was just stating that they shouldn't be to surprised because andre, mario, jacoby, and the rest of the boys live in the clubs in houston..........see them all the time on the regular.....

Hell even when they had road games....mark my words no lie......I would see those guys in the club no later than 12:30 on a away game day.....it use to trip me out....I always wondered how the hell did they get from another city and dressed and in a club by midnight....LOL:foottap::jogger:

awtysst
07-19-2009, 12:02 PM
um, no. 100,000 is still 100k and buys 100k worth of life no matter who's hands it is in. Instead of doing something good for his extended family he chose to give it to people who share his meager little brain size. Wealthy people go broke all the time.....it's still gonna be a hunnert K when he goes broke.

Chris Rock had a great routine where he talked about the difference between rich and having Wealth. Wealthy people do not go broke, but rich ones do. Remember, Rick James was rich, but wealth is money that is passed down for generations.

Vinny
07-19-2009, 03:37 PM
Chris Rock had a great routine where he talked about the difference between rich and having Wealth. Wealthy people do not go broke, but rich ones do. Remember, Rick James was rich, but wealth is money that is passed down for generations.
you can't get "wealthy" if you throw your money away. Perhaps this little "secret" of money escapes some of you guys.

mexican_texan
07-19-2009, 04:14 PM
I wonder who in their right mind would hire PacMan for more than minimum wage. I can't say I sympathize, but I think he's going to have a very sad post-football life.

Lucky
07-19-2009, 04:25 PM
you can't get "wealthy" if you throw your money away.
Patrick Ewing said it best:


We might make a lot of money but, we also spend a lot of money.

NitroGSXR
07-19-2009, 04:42 PM
Patrick Ewing said it best:

Lol @ Patrick Ewing spending money.

I parked his car at TOC/Rehab. He came in with an entourage. Told me to take care of him and to park his car out front. I did. He came out and gave me 10 bucks and told me to give him his keys. I went and gave him his keys. He stopped me and asked me how much valet parking was. I told him it was 8 dollars. He asked for his change and then proceeded to complain about how ridiculous it was for me to park his car out front and then charge him an outrageous fortune, etc etc. It was to the point to where he was now making a scene and holding up the rest of my customers. He said something along the lines of how he's sick and tired of people taking advantage of him because of who he is. Through the whole tirade I'm trying to give him his 2 dollar change. Finally, I told him to go fly a kite and keep his money and paid the 8 dollars out of my pocket. It was not worth dealing with at the time. He was being a real jerk.

Cheap bastard.

I've had 4 other notable customers like that. Jason Alexander from Friends, Britney Spears, Bob Allen, and Scottie No-Tippin Pippin. Ewing was the loudest and most agravated of them all.

gary
07-19-2009, 04:43 PM
Pacman is just an ***** he should have known the dancers were going to pick up the money right after it was thrown. Do I think all of these stars should be spending money on stuff like this all of the time or every chance they get? Surely not but they are going to. Andre and others go and have their share I am sure of it but only a handfull of them act a fool like T.O. and Pacman. I don't want him on the Texans he is not a great player and has not shown he cares enough about football to help his team and to not want to act like an ass off the field. No thanks.

TexansSeminole
07-19-2009, 05:39 PM
Going to the strip club is fine as a single man, but throwing money into the air and complaining about the dancers picking it up is dumb. Throwing the money into the air on top of the dancers is dumb in the first place.

Texecutioner
07-19-2009, 05:41 PM
That's right but I don't really agree with the throwing around cash statement. I valet parked for 12 years. I've worked at nightclubs and the Mens Club as well as Michael's. Pro players as well as famous rappers were regular well tipping customers. Not once have I ever seen any kind of meelee occur like what happened at Minxx. In fact, I don't believe I've ever seen a famous person get ejected. I always see the good acts they do.

As for the valet in the article... I can fully relate. We're the first and last people when one goes to an establishment. We welcome them then we send them on their way. We see a lot going on. Dodging bullets was a part of the job. Really was.

Despite all of that.... i'd still be game for giving Pacman a shot on our team. I want to win some football games. If he can beat out our other CBs then...

The day Pac Man becomes a Texan is the day I stop rooting for the Texans until he's gone. Fortunately I don't have to worry about that because I know good and well that Mcnair would never sign that toxic waste of a human being ever.

jshabang
07-19-2009, 05:51 PM
Despite all of that.... i'd still be game for giving Pacman a shot on our team. I want to win some football games. If he can beat out our other CBs then...


please for gods sakes........stop the jokes........

april fools was about 2 months ago.......you missed that holiday.....:ohsnap::thumbdown

NitroGSXR
07-19-2009, 05:57 PM
I understand that Pacman is a small human being but I really liked how he played on Sundays. That's the bottom line for me. Sundays.

I know it'll never happen nor will I ever fight for Pacman. Just saying for 3 hours on Sunday... I'll be a fan. He's a playmaker.

Texecutioner
07-19-2009, 06:01 PM
I understand that Pacman is a small human being but I really liked how he played on Sundays. That's the bottom line for me. Sundays.

I know it'll never happen nor will I ever fight for Pacman. Just saying for 3 hours on Sunday... I'll be a fan. He's a playmaker.

He was dam good on the Titans. No one would argue that, but he's was awful on the Cowboys. Having an entire year off messed his game up pretty badly.

NitroGSXR
07-19-2009, 06:09 PM
He was dam good on the Titans. No one would argue that, but he's was awful on the Cowboys. Having an entire year off messed his game up pretty badly.

Sure. He's still earned a shot in my eyes based on his days in Tennessee.

gary
07-19-2009, 07:15 PM
Sure. He's still earned a shot in my eyes based on his days in Tennessee.He hasn't done anything since his days in Tennessee because he does not care enough about the game and rather act like a clown off the football field.

NitroGSXR
07-19-2009, 07:44 PM
He hasn't done anything since his days in Tennessee because he does not care enough about the game and rather act like a clown off the football field.

His days in Tennessee were not all that long ago. Pacman also had a lot of distractions in Dallas. Come Sunday, he's a playmaker when focused.

gary
07-19-2009, 07:54 PM
His days in Tennessee were not all that long ago. Pacman also had a lot of distractions in Dallas. Come Sunday, he's a playmaker when focused.The Texans are building through the draft with youngsters like Glover and others and I rather that's what they do rather than take an older vet who is a total troulbe maker who may come to Houston and get in trouble once again.

NitroGSXR
07-19-2009, 08:07 PM
The Texans are building through the draft with youngsters like Glover and others and I rather that's what they do rather than take an older vet who is a total troulbe maker who may come to Houston and get in trouble once again.

The draft is over. We know who our rookies are. Sign Pacman and throw him in the mix. Whoever comes out of training camp the better player get a slot on the roster. It's not like we'd be losing a draft pick or having a draft pick too many. It's all after the fact.

I want the best possible team out there on Sundays.

Keep in mind, I'm not saying Pacman would be the best player. I'd just be very willing to be a team that'll give him a shot. Other teams will also be willing to do that. Nothing wrong with a shot at making the roster.

gary
07-19-2009, 08:24 PM
Texans sign him to a one or two year deal then he gets arrested. What then?

NitroGSXR
07-19-2009, 08:33 PM
Texans sign him to a one or two year deal then he gets arrested. What then?

Cut him. That's the way of the NFL. These contracts aren't worth the paper they're inked on.

gary
07-19-2009, 08:50 PM
Glover is going to be better than pacman because he cares I feel it.

NitroGSXR
07-19-2009, 08:55 PM
Glover is going to be better than pacman because he cares I feel it.

Well there you go! We'd better not give Pacman an opportunity then. You've got a sound argument there.

Seriously, it's just training camp. Camp fodder even. Best man standing wins.

gary
07-19-2009, 08:57 PM
It is just wishful thinking man.

NitroGSXR
07-19-2009, 09:04 PM
It is just wishful thinking man.

Agreed.

gary
07-19-2009, 09:33 PM
I knew you would.

mexican_texan
07-19-2009, 11:58 PM
His days in Tennessee were not all that long ago. Pacman also had a lot of distractions in Dallas. Come Sunday, he's a playmaker when focused.
It's been...3 seasons? You can chalk up his bad season to a lack of preparation.

The thing I'm worried about is whether Goodell would allow him to play. One DUI, maybe even one parking ticket, could be it. It's one thing to sign him in 2005 when Marcus Coleman and Aaron Glenn were on the team, but on a DB squad where he becomes an example, it would be dangerous to have someone so irresponsible.

Blazing Arrow
07-20-2009, 11:47 AM
It's not even just that he was throwing the money around. The dispute started, because Pac man was a freaking poser with all that cash in the first place. He got upset because the strippers took the money. He wanted to look like a bad ass by throwing all of that cash around, but didn't want the girls to take it. Once they took the money, apparently he started getting all angry and then eventually grabbed a woman by her hair and banged her head against something and the melee went on from there. I remember reading all of that when it all happened. THe guy is a joke. I've seen guys throw cash around before like that, and that's there right to do if they want to throw their cash around, but you can't go to a strip club and throw it around and not expect the dancers to pick it up and take it. That's what they do all day and night.

From what I recall it was not that the girls could not take the money but they were supposed to wait for him to finish doing what ever before they could take it. And I guess the cash was for mainly one or two of them and another girl jumped in and started grabbing up cash.

Texecutioner
07-20-2009, 11:57 AM
From what I recall it was not that the girls could not take the money but they were supposed to wait for him to finish doing what ever before they could take it. And I guess the cash was for mainly one or two of them and another girl jumped in and started grabbing up cash.

Have you ever been to a trip club before? When money is thrown around, strippers pick it up and put it in their underwear. That's what they do all day and night and how they collect. So, any fool tossing around a ton of cash in the air is an open invitation for the dancers to come collect. And Pac Man's not the first guy to "make it rain." I've seen tons of people do that in clubs and strip clubs before. Pac Man was a cheap fraud who wanted to look like a baller but didn't want to actually give away his cash and slammed a girl's head against the stage or the railing or whatever it was. That incident could have been completely avoided had he just let them pick up the money that he was tossing around, but he got violent and assaulted one of the dancers. ANd because of that a bouncer ended up being shot and paralyzed.

HoustonFrog
07-20-2009, 12:07 PM
From what I recall it was not that the girls could not take the money but they were supposed to wait for him to finish doing what ever before they could take it. And I guess the cash was for mainly one or two of them and another girl jumped in and started grabbing up cash.

True. His buddy took the mike from the DJ and told them to just keep dancing and then they could get the cash. In fact, as seen in that video, alot of the cash was picked up by the club to split between dancers, etc. BUT when they did keep picking it up PM did the head slam thing with the stripper, etc.

Texecutioner
07-20-2009, 12:36 PM
From what I recall it was not that the girls could not take the money but they were supposed to wait for him to finish doing what ever before they could take it. And I guess the cash was for mainly one or two of them and another girl jumped in and started grabbing up cash.

Jones was showering more than 40 strippers onstage at Minxx Gentlemen's Club & Lounge early Monday with the cash "intended as a visual effect," according to a search warrant. But a scuffle broke out when the Houston promoter who hired the strippers told them to pick the money up.

The promoter, identified as Chris Mitchell, owner of "Harlem Knights," and a male associate took a plastic trash bag containing Jones' money and walked out the front door, the warrant says. Police recovered the money and two Breitling watches inside a safe at Mitchell's hotel room Monday morning.

Mitchell, according to the warrant, "admits that he took the money in the bag belonging to Jones because he thought it was for the dancers."

After Mitchell left the club, "a melee broke out," the warrant says.

"Jones became irate about the loss of his money, and the fact that girls were in a frenzy, picking up the money at their feet," the warrant says.

Later, a woman identified as a member of Jones' group fought with one of the strippers and security tried to break up the fight, it says. Jones told the guards to back off and reached behind his back "as if he were retrieving a weapon there."

Jones' entourage was moved outside, but the woman continued to fight, according to the warrant filed Wednesday in Clark County District Court in Las Vegas.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2775250

Blazing Arrow
07-20-2009, 01:48 PM
Have you ever been to a trip club before? When money is thrown around, strippers pick it up and put it in their underwear. That's what they do all day and night and how they collect. So, any fool tossing around a ton of cash in the air is an open invitation for the dancers to come collect. And Pac Man's not the first guy to "make it rain." I've seen tons of people do that in clubs and strip clubs before. Pac Man was a cheap fraud who wanted to look like a baller but didn't want to actually give away his cash and slammed a girl's head against the stage or the railing or whatever it was. That incident could have been completely avoided had he just let them pick up the money that he was tossing around, but he got violent and assaulted one of the dancers. ANd because of that a bouncer ended up being shot and paralyzed.

I was in no way trying to defend the former Cowboy player, I was just trying to clarify what I had heard about the incident.