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Spike
07-15-2009, 04:22 PM
I have been holding off asking the question, but camp is right around the corner and I haven't seen any updates regarding contract negotiations with OD, Ryans, Dunta or the majority of the rookies.

My hope was that we would get OD and Ryans contracts tied up, as well as all rookies, before the start of camp. If this is the goal - it seems like we have a lot to get done in a short amount of time.

When do we start to worry?

HOU-TEX
07-15-2009, 04:27 PM
Last season 4 of the rookies weren't signed until the week of camp.

They have the entire season to work out a deal with OD and D-Ryans if they choose to do so.

7/25/2008 Signed first-round draft pick LT Duane Brown.
7/22/2008 Signed third-round draft picks CB Antwaun Molden and RB Steve Slaton and fifth-round draft pick DT Frank Okam. Released FB Jon Abbate, DT Eric Powell, G/T Charles Spencer and G Dan Stevenson.
7/16/2008 Signed fourth-round draft pick LB Xavier Adibi.

http://www.houstontexans.com/team/2008Transactions.asp

DiehardChris
07-15-2009, 04:29 PM
I'd say - for OD and 59, no need to worry until after the first regular season game. Those often go right down to the wire - as Eric Winston's deal did. I think he signed the night before the season opener or the day of.

For the rookies, I see no reason to worry at all at this point. Cushing's deal will probably go right down to the first day of camp, just like Duane Brown and Amobi Okoye. The other rookies will probably sign any time now, with Barwin coming in the final week before camp starts.

badboy
07-15-2009, 05:00 PM
I have been holding off asking the question, but camp is right around the corner and I haven't seen any updates regarding contract negotiations with OD, Ryans, Dunta or the majority of the rookies.

My hope was that we would get OD and Ryans contracts tied up, as well as all rookies, before the start of camp. If this is the goal - it seems like we have a lot to get done in a short amount of time.

When do we start to worry?I prefer we do not see any movement on DR other than him coming in and showing that he is closer to 100%. I am glad he did not sign the new contract offer as this gives team more flexibility and as a popular fan favorite he will get paid very, very well this season.

NitroGSXR
07-15-2009, 05:33 PM
I prefer we do not see any movement on DR other than him coming in and showing that he is closer to 100%. I am glad he did not sign the new contract offer as this gives team more flexibility and as a popular fan favorite he will get paid very, very well this season.

I believe he has until midnight tonight.

I have a feeling that is completely baseless that something's going to get done.

SuperRY
07-15-2009, 05:35 PM
I believe he has until midnight tonight.

I have a feeling that is completely baseless that something's going to get done.

Negative - They had until 4:00pm EST to get a deal done. Didn't happen.

NitroGSXR
07-15-2009, 05:38 PM
Negative - They had until 4:00pm EST to get a deal done. Didn't happen.

I just saw that in the Dunta thread. Also saw Kaiser Toro's post indicating that we may have until July 22nd? Let's see what comes from that possible scenario.

dalemurphy
07-15-2009, 05:39 PM
I have been holding off asking the question, but camp is right around the corner and I haven't seen any updates regarding contract negotiations with OD, Ryans, Dunta or the majority of the rookies.

My hope was that we would get OD and Ryans contracts tied up, as well as all rookies, before the start of camp. If this is the goal - it seems like we have a lot to get done in a short amount of time.

When do we start to worry?

I started worrying about 2 months ago. On top of your list, here are some more FAs after 2009:

Kevin Walter
Chester Pitts
Rashod Butler
Tim Bulman
Travis Johnson
Mike Briesel
Matt Turk
Nick Ferguson
Deljuan Robinson

DiehardChris
07-15-2009, 05:46 PM
I've been worried since October (http://www.houstondiehards.com/?p=2098). LOL

Goldensilence
07-15-2009, 06:57 PM
I started worrying about 2 months ago. On top of your list, here are some more FAs after 2009:

Kevin Walter
Chester Pitts
Rashod Butler
Tim Bulman
Travis Johnson
Mike Briesel
Matt Turk
Nick Ferguson
Deljuan Robinson

Two top people on the list are the only ones that NEED to be resigned. I'd like to see Pitts retire as a Texan. Walter should be an interesting contract.

I think Bulter is right behind as an important swing tackle.

TJ could be fighting for a roster spot in TC. I like Bluman's and Robinson's motors. I think they can be fairly easy to resign.

Turk eh. He's been solid but far from spectacular as a punter. Nick Ferguson same story different position.

Brisiel...mixed feelings I think he's solid but IMO Caldwell after this season will be pushing for his or Myer's spot.

Kaiser Toro
07-15-2009, 07:50 PM
I just saw that in the Dunta thread. Also saw Kaiser Toro's post indicating that we may have until July 22nd? Let's see what comes from that possible scenario.

It was apparently today at 4:00 pm, but I still cannot find that on the NFL Calendar. I made an assumption based on the data that was afforded by the source. I was wrong. However, the other article discussing a potential loophole in this date was interesting.:lion:

NitroGSXR
07-15-2009, 08:05 PM
It was apparently today at 4:00 pm, but I still cannot find that on the NFL Calendar. I made an assumption based on the data that was afforded by the source. I was wrong. However, the other article discussing a potential loophole in this date was interesting.:lion:

I absolutely understood your post to mean exactly what you described here. Like I said, let's see what becomes of that possibility. Both of these guys (Dunta's agent and Rick Smith) know what they're doing. They don't miss much. Especially Smith.

Xetuoh1836
07-16-2009, 06:29 AM
From Florio at PFT on the July 15th deadline:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/07/12/a-closer-look-at-the-july-15-deadline/

Don't know if it helps or confuses but, the deadline to sign a long term contract with a F-tag player has expired as of 4:00PM (EST) yesterday until the end of the season.

Insideop
07-16-2009, 11:42 AM
Well, now that the Dunta deadline has come and gone, I hope the Texan front office can turn its attention to the rookies and get them under contract before TC. We don't need anymore distractions!

I usually like to go to this link http://walterfootball.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10264 to find out how the signings are going throughout the NFL. What bothers me, and maybe I'm reading too much into it, is when I see someone like Casey not signed and multiple players before and after him are signed.

148 San Diego Brandon Hughes - CB 4 year undisclosed contract
149 Ravens Davon Drew - TE 3 year $1.185 million contract, $139,250 signing bonus
150 Minnesota Jasper Brinkley - LB Undisclosed contract
151 NY Giants Rhett Bomar - QB 4 year $1.75 million contract, $185,183 signing bonus
152 Houston James Casey - TE
153 Philadelphia Cornelius Ingram - TE 4 year $1.75 million contract, $183,000 signing bonus
154 Chicago Marcus Freeman - LB 4 year undisclosed contract
155 Tampa Bay Xavier Fulton - OT 4 year $1.75 million contract, $181,000 signing bonus
156 Atlanta Garrett Reynolds - OT 4 year $1.75 million contract, $180,000 signing bonus
157 Philadelphia Victor Harris - CB 4 year undisclosed contract
158 Washington Cody Glenn - RB Undisclosed multi-year contract
159 Philadelphia Fenuki Tupou - OT 4 year undisclosed contract

His contract should be "cut and dry" based on what the player before and after him are making. So why hasn't he signed? Is it some little detail in the contract? Is his agent getting greedy and trying to get a bigger signing bonus than the players picked above him? Maybe I'm just overreacting, but the sooner we get these rookies signed the better I will feel. Just a little over 2 weeks left before TC. :)

HOU-TEX
07-16-2009, 11:50 AM
Well, now that the Dunta deadline has come and gone, I hope the Texan front office can turn its attention to the rookies and get them under contract before TC. We don't need anymore distractions!

I usually like to go to this link http://walterfootball.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10264 to find out how the signings are going throughout the NFL. What bothers me, and maybe I'm reading too much into it, is when I see someone like Casey not signed and multiple players before and after him are signed.

148 San Diego Brandon Hughes - CB 4 year undisclosed contract
149 Ravens Davon Drew - TE 3 year $1.185 million contract, $139,250 signing bonus
150 Minnesota Jasper Brinkley - LB Undisclosed contract
151 NY Giants Rhett Bomar - QB 4 year $1.75 million contract, $185,183 signing bonus
152 Houston James Casey - TE
153 Philadelphia Cornelius Ingram - TE 4 year $1.75 million contract, $183,000 signing bonus
154 Chicago Marcus Freeman - LB 4 year undisclosed contract
155 Tampa Bay Xavier Fulton - OT 4 year $1.75 million contract, $181,000 signing bonus
156 Atlanta Garrett Reynolds - OT 4 year $1.75 million contract, $180,000 signing bonus
157 Philadelphia Victor Harris - CB 4 year undisclosed contract
158 Washington Cody Glenn - RB Undisclosed multi-year contract
159 Philadelphia Fenuki Tupou - OT 4 year undisclosed contract

His contract should be "cut and dry" based on what the player before and after him are making. So why hasn't he signed? Is it some little detail in the contract? Is his agent getting greedy and trying to get a bigger signing bonus than the players picked above him? Maybe I'm just overreacting, but the sooner we get these rookies signed the better I will feel. Just a little over 2 weeks left before TC. :)

Looks like Ingram kinda got boned on his signing bonus. Unless QB's still rate higher than other positions in the 5th round too?

Vinny
07-16-2009, 11:50 AM
If Dunta holds out of camp and has a sub-par year he is only hurting the value of his next contract so I'm really not all that worried about him. He's gonna want to have a pro bowl season so that he can land a massive contract. I'm not worried about anyone else and I'm set to defrost in a few weeks.

HOU-TEX
07-16-2009, 11:54 AM
If Dunta holds out of camp and has a sub-par year he is only hurting the value of his next contract so I'm really not all that worried about him. He's gonna want to have a pro bowl season so that he can land a massive contract. I'm not worried about anyone else and I'm set to defrost in a few weeks.

I imagine defrosting shan't be a problem at the first camp practice.

As I posted in the Dunta thread, I agree with you. IMO, Dunta really has no choice but to go to camp and play this season better than ever and the Texans are going to reap the benefits.

TimeKiller
07-16-2009, 01:44 PM
Not worried anytime soon. I expect they'll start rolling in the week before TC. Weird to see Casey unsigned with others around him signed but it's not like Smith has been sitting on his hands this offseason.

Kevin Walter-must resign as long as the money isn't crazy. K dub doesn't seem to be the self-first type so I doubt he comes out asking for big bucks.
Chester Pitts-must resign for almost any price. Original Texan.
Rashod Butler-I'd like to see him resigned. He's been good enough to stick around anyway
Tim Bulman-I wouldn't be surprised if he gets a little money elsewhere but I'd like to see him in Texans gear for a while
Travis Johnson-cut
Mike Briesel-hmmmm....playing for a job this year?
Matt Turk-Honestly, I can't believe he's not already retired
Nick Ferguson-He's done his part as a stop-gap player. Hopefully his service won't be needed
Deljuan Robinson-I'd resign him

Vinny
07-16-2009, 01:50 PM
Not worried anytime soon. I expect they'll start rolling in the week before TC. Weird to see Casey unsigned with others around him signed but it's not like Smith has been sitting on his hands this offseason.
I'm sure his agent keeps reminding the team that they claim to have rated him as a 2nd round talent. :pirate:

El Tejano
07-16-2009, 04:17 PM
I'm sure his agent keeps reminding the team that they claim to have rated him as a 2nd round talent. :pirate:

And we will keep reminding them that he wasn't selected in the 2nd round. We took a gamble that he would be there in the 5th because we didn't want to pay 2nd round money if we could get him in the 5th and we were correct.

TimeKiller
07-16-2009, 05:45 PM
I'm sure his agent keeps reminding the team that they claim to have rated him as a 2nd round talent. :pirate:

I'm sure that's the case but 2nd round talent with 5th round results gets you what?

Travis Johnson

painekiller
07-16-2009, 07:52 PM
I have been tracking the rookie signings since Kubiak joined the Texans and we seem right on track. As pointed out most guys do not sign until the week of camp.

Rookie Signing Dates

2009 Season
July 31 First Practice Day
Brian Cushing (1)
Connor Barwin (2)
Antoine Caldwell(3)
Glover Quinn (4a)
James Casey (5)
June 17, (4b) Anthony Hill
June 11, (7) Troy Nolan
June 8 (6) Brice McCain


2008 Season
July 25 First Practice Day
July 25 (1)Duane Brown
July 21 (3)Antwaun Molden
July 21 (3)Steve Slaton
July 21 (5)Frank Okam
July 16 (4)Xavier Adibi
June 26 (7)Alex Brink
June 19 (6)Dominique Barber

2007 Season
July 27 First Practice Day
July 27 (1)Amobi Okoye
July 26 (4)Fred Bennett
July 26 (5)Brandon Frye
July 24 (3)Jacoby Jones
July 23 (5)Brandon Harrison
July 23 (6)Kasey Studdard
July 19 (7)Zac Diles

2006 Season
July 28 First Practice Day
July 23 (3)Charles Spencer
July 23 (3)Eric Winston
July 13 (6)Wali Lundy
July 13 (7)David Anderson
July 12 (4)Owen Daniels
July 07 (2)DeMeco Ryans
April 28 (1)Mario Williams

barrett
07-16-2009, 10:42 PM
I still love seeing that april 28th signing. I was so glad that he was signed before the draft. Nice info. Thanks.

barrett
07-16-2009, 10:47 PM
edited for you PK.



2009 Season
July 31 First Practice Day
Brian Cushing (1)
Connor Barwin (2)
Antoine Caldwell(3)
July 16 Glover Quinn (4a)
James Casey (5)
June 17, (4b) Anthony Hill
June 11, (7) Troy Nolan
June 8 (6) Brice McCain


2008 Season
July 25 First Practice Day
July 25 (1)Duane Brown
July 21 (3)Antwaun Molden
July 21 (3)Steve Slaton
July 21 (5)Frank Okam
July 16 (4)Xavier Adibi
June 26 (7)Alex Brink
June 19 (6)Dominique Barber

2007 Season
July 27 First Practice Day
July 27 (1)Amobi Okoye
July 26 (4)Fred Bennett
July 26 (5)Brandon Frye
July 24 (3)Jacoby Jones
July 23 (5)Brandon Harrison
July 23 (6)Kasey Studdard
July 19 (7)Zac Diles

2006 Season
July 28 First Practice Day
July 23 (3)Charles Spencer
July 23 (3)Eric Winston
July 13 (6)Wali Lundy
July 13 (7)David Anderson
July 12 (4)Owen Daniels
July 07 (2)DeMeco Ryans
April 28 (1)Mario Williams

painekiller
07-17-2009, 02:33 AM
2009 Season
July 31 First Practice Day
Brian Cushing (1)
Connor Barwin (2)
Antoine Caldwell(3)
James Casey (5)
July 17 (4a) Glover Quinn
June 17, (4b) Anthony Hill
June 11, (7) Troy Nolan
June 8 (6) Brice McCain



I find it interesting that the two 4th rounders signed before the 5th rounder Casey.

barrett
07-22-2009, 05:09 PM
I read somewhere that the players actually report to Reliant on the 26th. Can anyone back me up on this? I wonder if this suggests that we can expect to see some signings in the next two days?

awtysst
07-23-2009, 03:24 PM
Starting to get a little nervous. Its the 23rd and no news on Cush, Barwin, or Caldwell.

barrett
07-23-2009, 03:47 PM
If it helps, Indy hasn't signed anyone. There is still plenty of time.

painekiller
07-24-2009, 11:39 PM
Updated:

2009 Season
July 31 First Practice Day
Brian Cushing (1)
Connor Barwin (2)
July 24 (3) Antoine Caldwell
July 24 (5) James Casey
July 17 (4a) Glover Quinn
June 17, (4b) Anthony Hill
June 11, (7) Troy Nolan
June 8 (6) Brice McCain


2008 Season
July 25 First Practice Day
July 25 (1)Duane Brown
July 21 (3)Antwaun Molden
July 21 (3)Steve Slaton
July 21 (5)Frank Okam
July 16 (4)Xavier Adibi
June 26 (7)Alex Brink
June 19 (6)Dominique Barber

2007 Season
July 27 First Practice Day
July 27 (1)Amobi Okoye
July 26 (4)Fred Bennett
July 26 (5)Brandon Frye
July 24 (3)Jacoby Jones
July 23 (5)Brandon Harrison
July 23 (6)Kasey Studdard
July 19 (7)Zac Diles

2006 Season
July 28 First Practice Day
July 23 (3)Charles Spencer
July 23 (3)Eric Winston
July 13 (6)Wali Lundy
July 13 (7)David Anderson
July 12 (4)Owen Daniels
July 07 (2)DeMeco Ryans
April 28 (1)Mario Williams

distant_texans_fan
07-25-2009, 12:24 AM
Two to go with a week up our sleeve.

I'm not worried. :specnatz:

Speedy
07-25-2009, 01:06 PM
Starting to get a little nervous. Its the 23rd and no news on Cush, Barwin, or Caldwell.

I look for those to get done by Friday. After Friday you can start to worry a little.


edit: I did not see where Casey and Caldwell signed, so there you go. Cush and Connor will get done by Friday.

awtysst
07-25-2009, 04:25 PM
I look for those to get done by Friday. After Friday you can start to worry a little.


edit: I did not see where Casey and Caldwell signed, so there you go. Cush and Connor will get done by Friday.

Well, I was worried when I thought Training Camp started on July 26. Now that I realize it starts on July 31st, I feel better. Still, I would love to get Cush and Barwin in early.

DiehardChris
07-25-2009, 04:38 PM
Barwin should happen very soon now, because the #43 pick, Everette Brown, has signed... and he even plays the same position.

GP
07-25-2009, 05:42 PM
Updated:

2009 Season
July 31 First Practice Day
Brian Cushing (1)
Connor Barwin (2)
July 24 (3) Antoine Caldwell
July 24 (5) James Casey
July 17 (4a) Glover Quinn
June 17, (4b) Anthony Hill
June 11, (7) Troy Nolan
June 8 (6) Brice McCain


2008 Season
July 25 First Practice Day
July 25 (1)Duane Brown
July 21 (3)Antwaun Molden
July 21 (3)Steve Slaton
July 21 (5)Frank Okam
July 16 (4)Xavier Adibi
June 26 (7)Alex Brink
June 19 (6)Dominique Barber

2007 Season
July 27 First Practice Day
July 27 (1)Amobi Okoye
July 26 (4)Fred Bennett
July 26 (5)Brandon Frye
July 24 (3)Jacoby Jones
July 23 (5)Brandon Harrison
July 23 (6)Kasey Studdard
July 19 (7)Zac Diles

2006 Season
July 28 First Practice Day
July 23 (3)Charles Spencer
July 23 (3)Eric Winston
July 13 (6)Wali Lundy
July 13 (7)David Anderson
July 12 (4)Owen Daniels
July 07 (2)DeMeco Ryans
April 28 (1)Mario Williams

Rep your way!

Thanks for posting this. It's cool to look back and see the signing dates.

painekiller
07-25-2009, 10:47 PM
Rep your way!

Thanks for posting this. It's cool to look back and see the signing dates.

thank you.

I started this last season when this same thread only different started. I wanted to see if we where late or not. When you start to notice that most players sign within 7 days of camp opening, you start to relax. It's just such a long off season with nothing happening for so long.

m5kwatts
07-25-2009, 10:51 PM
Can Cushing and Barwin sign already? They're supposed to report Sunday! No Holdouts!

rmartin65
07-26-2009, 04:01 PM
Any news on the other two guys?

m5kwatts
07-26-2009, 04:18 PM
Any news on the other two guys?

No news. And in this case no news is bad news.

painekiller
07-26-2009, 04:32 PM
1st round picks are usually the last to sign, why, because the agents do not want to be seen as leaving any money on the table. Only 3 guys have sign from the 1st round so the agents still cannot slot their clients properly.

this was posted 20 hours ago on the NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d810d9ec2&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true)


Signing status of 2009 NFL Draft first-round picks
NFL.com


Pk Player Pos. Team Status Contract
1. Matthew Stafford QB Detroit Signed 6 years, $72 million ($41.7M guaranteed)
2. Jason Smith OT St. Louis Unsigned
3. Tyson Jackson DE Kansas City Unsigned
4. Aaron Curry LB Seattle Unsigned
5. Mark Sanchez QB N.Y. Jets Signed 5 years, $60 million ($28M guaranteed)
6. Andre Smith OT Cincinnati Unsigned
7. Darrius Heyward-Bey WR Oakland Unsigned
8. Eugene Monroe OT Jacksonville Unsigned
9. B.J. Raji DT Green Bay Unsigned
10. Michael Crabtree WR San Francisco Unsigned
11. Aaron Maybin DE Buffalo Unsigned
12. Knowshon Moreno RB Denver Unsigned
13. Brian Orakpo DE Washington Unsigned
14. Malcolm Jenkins CB New Orleans Unsigned
15. Brian Cushing LB Houston Unsigned
16. Larry English DE San Diego Unsigned
17. Josh Freeman QB Tampa Bay Unsigned
18. Robert Ayers LB Denver Unsigned
19. Jeremy Maclin WR Philadelphia Unsigned
20. Brandon Pettigrew TE Detroit Unsigned
21. Alex Mack C Cleveland Signed Terms undisclosed
22. Percy Harvin WR Minnesota Unsigned
23. Michael Oher OT Baltimore Unsigned
24. Peria Jerry DT Atlanta Unsigned
25. Vontae Davis CB Miami Unsigned
26. Clay Matthews LB Green Bay Unsigned
27. Donald Brown RB Indianapolis Unsigned
28. Eric Wood C Buffalo Unsigned
29. Hakeem Nicks WR N.Y. Giants Unsigned
30. Kenny Britt WR Tennessee Unsigned
31. Chris "Beanie" Wells RB Arizona Unsigned
32. Evander "Ziggy" Hood DT Pittsburgh Unsigned

aj.
07-26-2009, 05:06 PM
Four have signed and they can slot if they wanted to, based on last year's values and models like the one in this article:

http://www.examiner.com/x-778-Houston-Texans-Examiner~y2009m7d25-Mack-and-Hood-signings-help-bound-first-round-guaranteed-money

It will take just one or two more to get things rolling. Barwin's slot is pretty much established if you look at the guys above and below him and what they got.

Wolf
07-26-2009, 05:23 PM
welcome back AJ!

CloakNNNdagger
07-27-2009, 10:17 PM
It's no wonder that Cush hasn't been signed...............only four 1st rounders have been signed..........only two ahead of him (one being the immediate signing of #1 pick QB Stafford, the other almost immediate signing #5 pick QB Sanchez). Everyone seems to be waiting for the picks ahead of them to establish value (QBs don't help much as they are essentially in a class of their own).

HOU-TEX
07-30-2009, 09:36 AM
Well Lady's and Gent's, I'm not sure we've ever gone down to the wire with 2 yet to sign. We have 24 hours to get both Barwin and Cushing signed on the dotted line. Personally, I think we might have our first late signing. Especially with how slow things have gone around the league. If we do get them signed before 8:30 tomorrow morning, I'd be extremely impressed.

If we're able to get Barwin signed sometime early today we might have a chance, but the Texans have a tough task ahead of them if they want to keep their perfect record for getting rooks to camp on time.

*crosses fingers*

painekiller
07-30-2009, 11:14 AM
Well Lady's and Gent's, I'm not sure we've ever gone down to the wire with 2 yet to sign. We have 24 hours to get both Barwin and Cushing signed on the dotted line. Personally, I think we might have our first late signing. Especially with how slow things have gone around the league. If we do get them signed before 8:30 tomorrow morning, I'd be extremely impressed.

If we're able to get Barwin signed sometime early today we might have a chance, but the Texans have a tough task ahead of them if they want to keep their perfect record for getting rooks to camp on time.

*crosses fingers*

Agreed. I can see Barwin signed or at least agreed to today, but Cushing's agents are not going to want to be the 1st to fall and appear to leave money on the table.

awtysst
07-30-2009, 01:38 PM
Dang. Cmon guys get them in!

HOU-TEX
07-30-2009, 02:25 PM
Dang. Cmon guys get them in!

FWIW, it's not just the Texans, it's league wide. I think there have been less than 10 1st round picks signed thus far. Heck, there are still teams signing 2nd day picks.

Insideop
07-30-2009, 04:33 PM
Missing time at TC has got to hurt Barwin more than Cushing. I think Barwin missed all of the OTA's due to his late graduation, so missing time at TC wouldn't be good. Let's hope they get him signed today!

Spike
07-30-2009, 04:41 PM
Funny - I was just about to pull this old thread back up.

HOU-TEX
07-30-2009, 04:46 PM
Missing time at TC has got to hurt Barwin more than Cushing. I think Barwin missed all of the OTA's due to his late graduation, so missing time at TC wouldn't be good. Let's hope they get him signed today!

He was able to attend the 3 day mandatory mini-camp, but your point is still very valid. He does need to be there in a major way. Not just due to the OTA's he missed either. He has a lot to learn about the DE position itself due to only having 1 year of experience.

It'd be nice to see both of them strolling out on the field in the morning, but my hope for that is beginning to dim. :cry2:

76Texan
07-30-2009, 04:58 PM
Get 'r done, Rick! :aggressive:

JWarren14
07-30-2009, 05:09 PM
Just saw this on Adam Caplan's Twitter:

"RT @JasonLaCanfora: Texans CB Dunta Robinson prepared to miss the start of camp tomorrow, and perhaps beyond, according to a source."

I wasn't sure who Jason LaCanfora was, but he is a NFL reporter, blogger, TV dude, father and failed athlete, in no particular order

I am tired of Dunta's contract dispute. He came back early and admirably last year and helped to emotionally lift our team to finish off the year strong. However, he wasn't the player he was before the injury and there is no guarantee that he will be again. I understand he wants to lock up a long term contract because he had a career threatening injury and he wants to ensure that he has financial security for life after football. But making $9 Mil next year isn't bad, instead of worrying about down the line I wish he had the attitude of "hey I am going to shut up, make my $9 mil, make the pro bowl, and earn more than 9 mil the following year and get locked up for more than 3 years."

Ahhh...Dunta pisses me off!

I hope that OD and DeMeco get their deals done!

It's a good problem to have as the players we drafted have become Pro Bowl talent, but it's frustrating as hell trying to make everyone happy.

barrett
07-30-2009, 05:14 PM
http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/07/30/robinson-not-planning-to-sign-tender-report-to-texans-camp/

He has performed at an elite level when healthy.

went from news to opinion with that line.

barrett
07-30-2009, 05:17 PM
I wasn't sure who Jason LaCanfora was,

he's the replacement for Adam Schefter if I'm not mistaken. Why did they fire him?

JWarren14
07-30-2009, 05:20 PM
he's the replacement for Adam Schefter if I'm not mistaken. Why did they fire him?


He is going to be on ESPN starting in August

barrett
07-30-2009, 05:59 PM
Was it a money thing?

bckey
07-30-2009, 07:00 PM
He is going to be on ESPN starting in August

That seems like a step in the wrong direction.

NitroGSXR
07-30-2009, 07:08 PM
I hope that OD and DeMeco get their deals done!
Didn't Owen Daniels sign a contract? Actually, I'm VERY confused on his issue. He signed then missed the last day or two of OTAs if I'm correct. Why is he continuing to hold out? Will he report tomorrow?

The Pencil Neck
07-30-2009, 08:08 PM
Didn't Owen Daniels sign a contract? Actually, I'm VERY confused on his issue. He signed then missed the last day or two of OTAs if I'm correct. Why is he continuing to hold out? Will he report tomorrow?

IIRC, he signed the tender. So he'll at least get paid that. But he's holding out trying to get a long term deal.

Don't expect him to report.

BSofA04
07-30-2009, 08:15 PM
http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/07/30/robinson-not-planning-to-sign-tender-report-to-texans-camp/



went from news to opinion with that line.

I thought that too. Crazy dude.

awtysst
07-30-2009, 11:18 PM
If you are not worried yet, now is the time to worry. Camp starts in the morning and still nothing on Barwin or Cush.

NitroGSXR
07-30-2009, 11:26 PM
If you are not worried yet, now is the time to worry. Camp starts in the morning and still nothing on Barwin or Cush.
I'm still as mellow as can be. Plenty of time. It's all good, mate!

rmartin65
07-30-2009, 11:47 PM
Barwin better be there. He has a lot to learn. Cushing I am not to worried about, he was one of the more pro ready prospects in the draft.

ArlingtonTexan
07-30-2009, 11:56 PM
Honestly, about 11 of the 32 first rounders have agreed/signed and most of the 2nd rounders so the ranges have been established for both so it should not be difficult at the point to get them signed.

steelbtexan
07-31-2009, 12:00 AM
Barwin better be there. He has a lot to learn. Cushing I am not to worried about, he was one of the more pro ready prospects in the draft.

Spot ON

Hooston Texan
07-31-2009, 12:17 AM
Clint Sintim--the pick right before Barwin--just signed with the Giants, but no details yet on the terms. This tightens the bracket around Barwin as he is one of only five unsigned second round picks. By the time we wake up in the morning, his deal should be done.

awtysst
07-31-2009, 12:26 AM
Hate to be a Worrying Walter, but I hope both deals are done when I wakeup tomorrow morning.

Thorn
07-31-2009, 08:51 AM
OK, it's the morning of the 31st now. Does this mean we have to start worring?

Hooston Texan
07-31-2009, 09:07 AM
OK, it's the morning of the 31st now. Does this mean we have to start worring?

I think now is a good time. I'm mystified why Barwin isn't signed. His salary slot is pretty well bracketed right now.

Cushing is a little more complicated. Between Heyward-Bey's deal at #7 and Alex Mack's deal at #21, the only disclosed agreement is Josh Freeman's at 17 (the terms of Orakpo's deal are not yet available), and Freeman is getting the QB premium. Agents and GMs are loathe to screw up there slot, so everything is going to be slow going until there is more certainty.

No point in worrying about Dunta: he's not reporting for awhile. My guess is Daniels will report. Hopefully we can work out deals with him and Ryans during camp.

The Pencil Neck
07-31-2009, 09:20 AM
Guys, I'm stuck in India right now. I just walked back through rain* and Bangalore traffic after a LONG brutal day at work.

I NEED GOOD NEWS.

And if I don't get it. I'm blaming all of you.

* Most of the Indians were staying indoors waiting for it to pass and I told them, "Come on, guys. I'm from Texas. This isn't even a sprinkle." And I left them behind.

I might have exaggerated the sprinkle thing. Now I'm wet and tired and want good news. If I haven't made myself clear.

Maddict5
07-31-2009, 09:23 AM
Cushing is a little more complicated. Between Heyward-Bey's deal at #7 and Alex Mack's deal at #21, the only disclosed agreement is Josh Freeman's at 17 (the terms of Orakpo's deal are not yet available), and Freeman is getting the QB premium.


not to mention DHB is getting the raiders premium ($4m more garunteed than ellis got at the same spot last yr smh). i presume the texans can get details of orakpo's deal from the skins/nfl office. as hess being moved to LB that'd be a pretty good marker for us

dsorc
07-31-2009, 09:23 AM
Link to this morning's chron story about signings. (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6555524.html)

It seems like Barwin is almost signed at least. Cushing might take a while because of his agents who also are the agents for Moreno (pick 12), Orakpo (pick 13 signed), and Jenkins (pick 14). My guess is that the agents will work on getting those guys signed before getting to Cushing unless Cushing tells them to hurry up.

Maddict5
07-31-2009, 09:29 AM
just saw on the .com that its reported on 610 that neither barwin or cushing were seen going out on the field

Hooston Texan
07-31-2009, 10:03 AM
just saw on the .com that its reported on 610 that neither barwin or cushing were seen going out on the field

Heard that as I was driving in this morning. But they also said that Daniels has reported--that's good news.

Heath Shuler
07-31-2009, 10:05 AM
Barwin Signs with Texans
for 4 Years
- Defensive end Connor Barwin, the second round pick from Cincinnati, signed a four-year contract on Friday morning with the Houston Texans, his agent Scott Smith of Madison, Wisconsin-based XAM Sports told FOX 26.

http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/sports/nfl/090731_barwin_signs_texans

beerlover
07-31-2009, 10:06 AM
Barwin on the field now -

Maddict5
07-31-2009, 10:07 AM
good stuff

Joe Texan
07-31-2009, 10:17 AM
Guys, I'm stuck in India right now. I just walked back through rain* and Bangalore traffic after a LONG brutal day at work.

I NEED GOOD NEWS.

And if I don't get it. I'm blaming all of you.

* Most of the Indians were staying indoors waiting for it to pass and I told them, "Come on, guys. I'm from Texas. This isn't even a sprinkle." And I left them behind.

I might have exaggerated the sprinkle thing. Now I'm wet and tired and want good news. If I haven't made myself clear.

It Is football Season

jshabang
07-31-2009, 10:19 AM
good stuff


come on rick...I know you can do this!!!!!!!!

wanna get this "In Rick We Trust!" thing going like we got with Morey and the rockets!!!!!!...........Love the cities GM's right now!!!!

Lets go Rickie!!!....Lets GO!!!!!!(chant):fans:

Joe Texan
07-31-2009, 10:47 AM
I do not see what the worry is all about, They have just been hired to play for millions, think they are turning that down, not.

It is an attitude thing with Dunta, He was told by his agent that he should get 25 million and they franchise him. I think he is causing himself a problem now by not going to work. If you perform in the nfl you get paid period, show your self. As long as Dunta is a Texan he gets my everything so lay off him. It is his agent doing the talking right now.

So Couch Coaches, What I am saying is we will be ok, the deals will get done and I will not worry till you see Coach worrying, and I mean Kubiak.

blitz90
07-31-2009, 11:35 AM
Barwin signed to 4 yr deal per The Chronic.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6555916.html

TexanSam
07-31-2009, 12:06 PM
Is there always this large amount of unsigned 1st round picks this time of year?

awtysst
07-31-2009, 12:44 PM
Ok, so Orakpo has now signed a deal. So the agents for Cush still have Moreno and Jenkins to slot before him. Maybe Orakpo's signing gives the slot number since they play in the same part of the field(front 7) vs Jenkins being a DB and Moreno is a RB.

cland
07-31-2009, 12:47 PM
The only issue I see is that #14 - Malcom Jenkins and #15 - Cushing are sharing the same agents (Tom Condon and Ben Hogra.) That gives the agency just a touch more sway as they control both contracts.

awtysst
07-31-2009, 12:52 PM
The only issue I see is that #14 - Malcom Jenkins and #15 - Cushing are sharing the same agents (Tom Condon and Ben Hogra.) That gives the agency just a touch more sway as they control both contracts.

I think Moreno also has Condon and Hogra. Plus they had Orakpo.

So they had #12, #13, #14, and #15!

HOU-TEX
07-31-2009, 03:43 PM
I don't see much of a reason why Cushing won't get a deal done soon, unless Condon just wants to get his deals done in order. Cushing is smack dab in the middle. I'd assume his deal would be around 5 years, $18.75M (10.7M guarranteed)

13. Brian Orakpo DE Washington Agreed 5 years, $20M ($12.1M guaranteed)

14. Malcolm Jenkins CB New Orleans Unsigned

15. Brian Cushing LB Houston Unsigned

16. Larry English DE San Diego Unsigned

17. Josh Freeman QB Tampa Bay Signed 5 years, $36M ($10.245M guaranteed)

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nflnation/0-9-192/Signing-status-of--09-first-round-draft-picks.html

ArlingtonTexan
07-31-2009, 05:27 PM
I don't see much of a reason why Cushing won't get a deal done soon, unless Condon just wants to get his deals done in order. Cushing is smack dab in the middle. I'd assume his deal would be around 5 years, $18.75M (10.7M guarranteed)



http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nflnation/0-9-192/Signing-status-of--09-first-round-draft-picks.html


profootballtalk.com

English lessons will start on time
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on July 31, 2009 4:39 PM ET
Here's one report that won't contain any conflicting information.

The Chargers and first-round pick Larry English have agreed to terms on a contract, according to NFL.com's Steve Wyche.

The Northern Illinois product is expected to work in pass rushing situations as an outside linebacker.

His arrival gives San Diego some leverage if Shawne Merriman hits free agency after the season - if a new collective bargaining agreement is worked out.

English played defensive end in college, so there will be a transition period as he learns to play with his hand off the ground.

He'll have two of the best teachers at the position: Merriman and Shaun Phillips.

HOU-TEX
07-31-2009, 05:35 PM
profootballtalk.com

Great! I expect to see Brian in the morning.

ArlingtonTexan
07-31-2009, 06:28 PM
Great! I expect to see Brian in the morning.

Just because, here are the financials

The San Diego Chargers and rookie outside linebacker Larry English reached an agreement today on a five-year contract. The National Football Post has just been informed the deal is worth $13.4 million, which is a 6.5% increase over Cardinals’ cornerback Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie’s contract from 2008. Both players were drafted in the first round, No. 16 overall.

In addition, English will receive $9.9 million guaranteed (a 10% increase over Rodgers-Cromartie) and $3.6 million in playing time escalators.

V3rm0nt3r
07-31-2009, 06:47 PM
Moving back to the contract negotiations with OD Dunta and Demeco, i've been thinking this for a while but haven't posted for fear of crucifixion. but, after reading the first of the camp quotes (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=5402) i've just about had it. This is the first year that Rick Smith has had to re-sign any major players and he has proceeded to ******* it up royally. i sincerely doubt that Dunta will trust him again and with Demeco now saying that it sets a bad example when key players and both defensive emotional leaders are upset with the GM it would surprise me if any young up and comers that we draft (Cush Barwin and Glover to point out this years) will want to deal with him. i'm not saying its pink soap time but he better get his ******* together. I'm tired of this "its a process" line he keeps using for EVERY situation.

-why didn't you draft a back up for Slaton?
-its a process.
-Why'd you franchise Dunta?
-its a process.
-whats happening with OD?
-its a process.
-what do you want for Christmas?
-its a process.

ok the last one i made up but seriously hes turning into a god damn politician. i know that the common perception on this board is that Dunta is just being greedy but i'd be pissed too if you didn't allow me to look and see what team were willing to pay me to show you that i command money. but lets say that this is true. that D-Rob is greedy. what about Demeco? this guy fires an agent to come to practice and HE doens't get a contract. OD went to the pro bowl last year and HE doesn't get a contract. get these guys signed Smith or step aside for someone who can.

awtysst
07-31-2009, 07:07 PM
Moving back to the contract negotiations with OD Dunta and Demeco, i've been thinking this for a while but haven't posted for fear of crucifixion. but, after reading the first of the camp quotes (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=5402) i've just about had it. This is the first year that Rick Smith has had to re-sign any major players and he has proceeded to ******* it up royally. i sincerely doubt that Dunta will trust him again and with Demeco now saying that it sets a bad example when key players and both defensive emotional leaders are upset with the GM it would surprise me if any young up and comers that we draft (Cush Barwin and Glover to point out this years) will want to deal with him. i'm not saying its pink soap time but he better get his ******* together. I'm tired of this "its a process" line he keeps using for EVERY situation.

-why didn't you draft a back up for Slaton?
-its a process.
-Why'd you franchise Dunta?
-its a process.
-whats happening with OD?
-its a process.
-what do you want for Christmas?
-its a process.

ok the last one i made up but seriously hes turning into a god damn politician. i know that the common perception on this board is that Dunta is just being greedy but i'd be pissed too if you didn't allow me to look and see what team were willing to pay me to show you that i command money. but lets say that this is true. that D-Rob is greedy. what about Demeco? this guy fires an agent to come to practice and HE doens't get a contract. OD went to the pro bowl last year and HE doesn't get a contract. get these guys signed Smith or step aside for someone who can.

Well,
Lets all take a breath and achieve a moment of clarity. Everyone take a deep breath. Ok, good. Smith offered OD, Demeco, and DR a contract in the off season. We do not know what the contract numbers are but none of them wanted it.

1. RS HAD to use the franchise tag on DR. It was his only recourse. If he did not do it, another team may have signed DR and we would have been left with nothing. As is, DR will waltz in a few days before the start of the season needing to prove himself. If he does, he will get his big contract, if not, he gets much less. Simple.

2. I thought RS did a great job drafting. Yes he did not draft a RB, but he was shrewd enough to realize that he did not need to. He picked up Foster as an UDFA. This kid is money and will be a GREAT powerback for us. Plus we also have Moats, who was picked up off the scrap heap last year.

3. Whats happening with OD is the same as is happening with Demeco. They want a new contract, as every NFL player does. Do they deserve one, sure. The thing everyone needs to remember is that there is a hard Salary Cap in football. Its not like baseball where you can spend as much as you want or a soft cap in basketball where you can go over the cap as long as you pay a luxury tax. Simply put you have a max total of how much $ you can spend. In theory you want to have a core group that is built around. At this point Schaub, Mario, and AJ are that group. I want to keep both OD and Demeco, but we need to be wary about cap ramifications. Players need to think about themsleves. GMs need to think about teams. RS is concerned with making the Texans the best team it can be. OD and Demeco are looking out for OD and Demeco, as they should.

I think once Cush signs RS will turn his attention to OD and Demeco. Both sides will need to give a little and in the end a deal can be reached. If both sides are cool, calm, and collected, new deals can be done by the end of preseason.

barrett
07-31-2009, 07:13 PM
Is there always this large amount of unsigned 1st round picks this time of year?

NO. The uncertainty of the CBA has left several players unsigned. I THINK THE CBA IS THE #1 ISSUE THAT HAS KEPT US FROM LOCKING UP ALL THESE GUYS LONG TERM.

V3rm0nt3r
07-31-2009, 08:28 PM
Well,
Lets all take a breath and achieve a moment of clarity. Everyone take a deep breath. Ok, good. Smith offered OD, Demeco, and DR a contract in the off season. We do not know what the contract numbers are but none of them wanted it.

1. RS HAD to use the franchise tag on DR. It was his only recourse. If he did not do it, another team may have signed DR and we would have been left with nothing. As is, DR will waltz in a few days before the start of the season needing to prove himself. If he does, he will get his big contract, if not, he gets much less. Simple.

2. I thought RS did a great job drafting. Yes he did not draft a RB, but he was shrewd enough to realize that he did not need to. He picked up Foster as an UDFA. This kid is money and will be a GREAT powerback for us. Plus we also have Moats, who was picked up off the scrap heap last year.

3. Whats happening with OD is the same as is happening with Demeco. They want a new contract, as every NFL player does. Do they deserve one, sure. The thing everyone needs to remember is that there is a hard Salary Cap in football. Its not like baseball where you can spend as much as you want or a soft cap in basketball where you can go over the cap as long as you pay a luxury tax. Simply put you have a max total of how much $ you can spend. In theory you want to have a core group that is built around. At this point Schaub, Mario, and AJ are that group. I want to keep both OD and Demeco, but we need to be wary about cap ramifications. Players need to think about themsleves. GMs need to think about teams. RS is concerned with making the Texans the best team it can be. OD and Demeco are looking out for OD and Demeco, as they should.

I think once Cush signs RS will turn his attention to OD and Demeco. Both sides will need to give a little and in the end a deal can be reached. If both sides are cool, calm, and collected, new deals can be done by the end of preseason.

Mario Schaub and AJ are all great but three players don't win championships. right now we are 10 million under the cap with one more player to sign. now i think it goes without saying that Dunta wouldn't command the 9 million a year he gets for being franchised if it were a long term deal.

and i think Smith makes it quite clear that he feels that it is past the times for negotiations and it should just be time to focus on football. as he put it in the link in my previous post "he's (in this instance it was OD that he was talking about) under contract this year, and we're not discussing his contract at this time." now i would like to believe him that he just believes that the players should be concentrating on football now but the fact that none of the three contracts got done speaks to me that he is more interested in keeping the pocketbook light this year than in keeping the young talent on this team. i'm petrified when next year comes around because all three of these guys won't have contracts and then if you throw on top of them Chester Pitts and KW i'm just not conviced that he will have the credibility to keep all of them.

awtysst
07-31-2009, 08:52 PM
Mario Schaub and AJ are all great but three players don't win championships. right now we are 10 million under the cap with one more player to sign. now i think it goes without saying that Dunta wouldn't command the 9 million a year he gets for being franchised if it were a long term deal.

and i think Smith makes it quite clear that he feels that it is past the times for negotiations and it should just be time to focus on football. as he put it in the link in my previous post "he's (in this instance it was OD that he was talking about) under contract this year, and we're not discussing his contract at this time." now i would like to believe him that he just believes that the players should be concentrating on football now but the fact that none of the three contracts got done speaks to me that he is more interested in keeping the pocketbook light this year than in keeping the young talent on this team. i'm petrified when next year comes around because all three of these guys won't have contracts and then if you throw on top of them Chester Pitts and KW i'm just not conviced that he will have the credibility to keep all of them.

You are absolutely right. We need more than 3 good players. What i am saying is those are the three are our corner stone players. We could certainly use a few more core players and I would love to keep both Meco and OD.

See, I was thinking RS meant that now was time to worry about getting the rookies under contract and into camp. I was thinking once he got that done he could shift back to OD and Meco.

I like DR but lets be honest, he really is not worth Chris Gamble money. Preinjury his greatest value was playing near the box as opposed to covering. He likely is playing out of position. Now, I think meco and and OD are both quality players that I would build around. As you said we have 10 mill+ dollars left. I don't know enough about cap hits in order to structure two contracts that are amicable to both sides.

Chester Pitts and KW are great players but you have to ask yourself how much will they want/can we get similar production elsewhere cheaper? Pitts has been an original Texan, but is he expendable? Can one of the younger OGs line up in his spot for less? How about Walter?
These are questions we need to ask. Good teams pay their talent appropriately. Bad Teams overpay. We need to pay appropriately and realize that as we become a better team, it will be hard to keep ALL of our players. The key is to keep the right ones and supplement our holes with solid plug ins.

V3rm0nt3r
07-31-2009, 11:37 PM
You are absolutely right. We need more than 3 good players. What i am saying is those are the three are our corner stone players. We could certainly use a few more core players and I would love to keep both Meco and OD.

See, I was thinking RS meant that now was time to worry about getting the rookies under contract and into camp. I was thinking once he got that done he could shift back to OD and Meco.

I like DR but lets be honest, he really is not worth Chris Gamble money. Preinjury his greatest value was playing near the box as opposed to covering. He likely is playing out of position. Now, I think meco and and OD are both quality players that I would build around. As you said we have 10 mill+ dollars left. I don't know enough about cap hits in order to structure two contracts that are amicable to both sides.

Chester Pitts and KW are great players but you have to ask yourself how much will they want/can we get similar production elsewhere cheaper? Pitts has been an original Texan, but is he expendable? Can one of the younger OGs line up in his spot for less? How about Walter?
These are questions we need to ask. Good teams pay their talent appropriately. Bad Teams overpay. We need to pay appropriately and realize that as we become a better team, it will be hard to keep ALL of our players. The key is to keep the right ones and supplement our holes with solid plug ins.

i can honestly say that Pitts is our second best lineman at this point only behind Eric Winston. other than that you make a lot of good points. the only problem is that we aren't a good team yet. we're average. i feel hopeful for this year like all fans but maybe you're counting your chickens before they hatch. the fact remains that we are very short at some of the positions that they are gambling on. without Pitts we have Studdard and Briesel starting. without DRob who do we have in our entire secondary? Reeves played well last year but i wouldn't count on anything above where he was at and Quin and Molden have promise but promise doesen't win games. he's gambling too much on players that we NEED.

m5kwatts
07-31-2009, 11:39 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if a deal was reached with Cushing as we speak, with the reports coming out some time in the morning. 1 day of missed camp oh well right?

Austrian
08-01-2009, 08:55 AM
Per the Chron Texans and Cushing agreed to contract terms.