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Yankee_In_TX
07-15-2009, 11:25 AM
Yikes, I didn't realize the contract structure worked out that way. I really hope he's out there for all 15 games!

HOU-TEX
07-15-2009, 11:27 AM
Yikes, I didn't realize the contract structure worked out that way. I really hope he's out there for all 15 games!

I know, I noticed that last night on NFLTA. He's due 17 million this season. 15 games? For that kind of jack he needs to be on the field the 16 regular season games plus 3 post season games.

jaayteetx
07-15-2009, 11:29 AM
Adds a little pressure, doesn't it?

Yankee_In_TX
07-15-2009, 11:31 AM
I know, I noticed that last night on NFLTA. He's due 17 million this season. 15 games? For that kind of jack he needs to be on the field the 16 regular season games plus 3 post season games.

Thanks for correcting me, all 18 games (15+3).

Why are we playing him after we've clinched?

infantrycak
07-15-2009, 11:32 AM
Geez reporting on this is bad. 1st off, Sanchez and most likely Stafford will receive more as rookies this year. Cassell is going to receive as much in the next three years almost as Schaub's whole 6 year contract. 2nd - THE OPTION BONUS IS NOT DUE THIS LEAGUE YEAR. These commentators that keep trying to stick it on this year are morons. It is due in March of 2010 which is the 2010 league year. It also isn't a one year thing, it is the option to buy three more years so acting like that is his pay, akin to the $25 mil McNair was scheduled to make as a salary in TN when he got cut is silly.

HOU-TEX
07-15-2009, 11:40 AM
Thanks for correcting me, all 18 games (15+3).

Why are we playing him after we've clinched?

Point taken, touche

ChampionTexan
07-15-2009, 12:04 PM
Geez reporting on this is bad. 1st off, Sanchez and most likely Stafford will receive more as rookies this year. Cassell is going to receive as much in the next three years almost as Schaub's whole 6 year contract. 2nd - THE OPTION BONUS IS NOT DUE THIS LEAGUE YEAR. These commentators that keep trying to stick it on this year are morons. It is due in March of 2010 which is the 2010 league year. It also isn't a one year thing, it is the option to buy three more years so acting like that is his pay, akin to the $25 mil McNair was scheduled to make as a salary in TN when he got cut is silly.

Yep - if you're using this convoluted (at best)/ignorant (at worst) logic, then that also means he'll be one of the biggest bargains going for the three years following the exercise of the option (recognizing that it's called an option for a reason).

Texecutioner
07-15-2009, 12:53 PM
A former back up that that hasn't even played a full season in the last two seasons is getting paid that much? Wow!

Goldensilence
07-15-2009, 01:02 PM
Cak beat me to the punch on contract terms.

Big question is going to be is he going to stay healthy enough this year to warrant the option after this year?

Regardless of situation IMO he needs to play at at least 12-13 and look good while doing so. If not, much as it sucks for what we gave up, I think it's time to move forward at the QB position.

NitroGSXR
07-15-2009, 01:52 PM
Cak beat me to the punch on contract terms.

Big question is going to be is he going to stay healthy enough this year to warrant the option after this year?

Regardless of situation IMO he needs to play at at least 12-13 and look good while doing so. If not, much as it sucks for what we gave up, I think it's time to move forward at the QB position.

No. I'm of firm belief that he needs to play all 16 games barring games intended to 'save' players. I also am of firm belief he needs to play the entire game despite a silly blowout score. That's my starting quarterback. He's who I came out here to see. Not our backups. The best need to be on the field at all times.

I got slammed on DGDB&D once for the Allen hit on Schaub. I felt that Schaub should have gotten up. Injuries suck. Especially ones as a result of a cheap shot or a result of a bad line. It's just the bad luck of the draw when one gets injured from but we pay them to play ball. If Schaub gets injured this year, I'm going to be calling for the Texans to begin a serious search for another starting QB. Bear in mind... I'm a huge Matt Schaub fan. I love the man! He has the tools to be an elite QB but having the tools doesn't do much if they're constantly in a sling.

This is also a coaching issue. The pieces are in place for Kubiak now with the exception of a few pieces such as questions surrounding our complimentary back to Slaton and defensive backfield but we mostly have the pieces in place to be a force and play some errorless games. Maybe we won't win 'em all but I'm ready to see the best play the best. I expect them to be upright. If they go down, I'm going to hope they're ok but not keep holding on to hope because he has the tools.

Play some football, Schaub. O-line, protect your QB better. Let's see some better coaching. Yaddayadda. Just get me my money's worth by giving me 16 games in a season once in a while instead of 16 games over 3 years.

MightyTExan
07-15-2009, 02:14 PM
No. I'm of firm belief that he needs to play all 16 games barring games intended to 'save' players. I also am of firm belief he needs to play the entire game despite a silly blowout score. That's my starting quarterback. He's who I came out here to see. Not our backups. The best need to be on the field at all times.

I got slammed on DGDB&D once for the Allen hit on Schaub. I felt that Schaub should have gotten up. Injuries suck. Especially ones as a result of a cheap shot or a result of a bad line. It's just the bad luck of the draw when one gets injured from but we pay them to play ball. If Schaub gets injured this year, I'm going to be calling for the Texans to begin a serious search for another starting QB. Bear in mind... I'm a huge Matt Schaub fan. I love the man! He has the tools to be an elite QB but having the tools doesn't do much if they're constantly in a sling.

This is also a coaching issue. The pieces are in place for Kubiak now with the exception of a few pieces such as questions surrounding our complimentary back to Slaton and defensive backfield but we mostly have the pieces in place to be a force and play some errorless games. Maybe we won't win 'em all but I'm ready to see the best play the best. I expect them to be upright. If they go down, I'm going to hope they're ok but not keep holding on to hope because he has the tools.

Play some football, Schaub. O-line, protect your QB better. Let's see some better coaching. Yaddayadda. Just get me my money's worth by giving me 16 games in a season once in a while instead of 16 games over 3 years.


Excellent post. For an example of a QB that does not show pain, look at Drew Brees.

Silver Oak
07-15-2009, 02:26 PM
A former back up that that hasn't even played a full season in the last two seasons is getting paid that much? Wow!

so many other qb's missed games the last two seasons. that argument is getting so tired and worn. I previously posted the names of starting qb's who missed time last season, and it was over 2/3 of the teams.

not saying he needs to stay on the field, but the inference that he is injury prone is just bullshit.

:deadhorse

Texecutioner
07-15-2009, 02:30 PM
so many other qb's missed games the last two seasons. that argument is getting so tired and worn. I previously posted the names of starting qb's who missed time last season, and it was over 2/3 of the teams.

not saying he needs to stay on the field, but the inference that he is injury prone is just bullshit.

:deadhorse

Any guy that gets hurt two straight seasons where he misses several games is injury prone if you ask me and I'm sure most unbiased people would agree. Before that, he was a back up behind Mike Vick. There has never been any season where he was a starter where he has proven that he could stay healthy. He has only had two seasons to start and got hurt both seasons, so right now he does have to PROVE that he can be healthy for a full season. Until he does that he'll have the injury prone label on him with most people.

HoustonFrog
07-15-2009, 02:46 PM
so many other qb's missed games the last two seasons. that argument is getting so tired and worn. I previously posted the names of starting qb's who missed time last season, and it was over 2/3 of the teams.

not saying he needs to stay on the field, but the inference that he is injury prone is just bullshit.

:deadhorse

Right..in this day and age, alot of QBs go down. Also, look at past QBs who were successful later and now...I doubt people would call them bad because of the games missed. I almost expect a guy to miss 2-3 games a year with the way it is played now.

Aikman (89-00.Total games started and played in regular season)--11, 15, 12, 16, 14, 14, 16, 15, 16, 11, 14, 11

Roethlisberger (04-08-Total Games started)--13, 12, 15, 15, 16

DBCooper
07-15-2009, 03:42 PM
so many other qb's missed games the last two seasons. that argument is getting so tired and worn. I previously posted the names of starting qb's who missed time last season, and it was over 2/3 of the teams.

not saying he needs to stay on the field, but the inference that he is injury prone is just bullshit.

:deadhorse

You've watched how he falls like a sack of potatoes, right?

76Texan
07-15-2009, 03:50 PM
Thanks for correcting me, all 18 games (15+3).

Why are we playing him after we've clinched?

I caught it on the first go round, LOL!
I knew you meant to have Schaub sit out the last game, or maybe the game before last, like the Buccs had Garcia sit against us the year before last.

Goldensilence
07-15-2009, 04:30 PM
No. I'm of firm belief that he needs to play all 16 games barring games intended to 'save' players. I also am of firm belief he needs to play the entire game despite a silly blowout score. That's my starting quarterback. He's who I came out here to see. Not our backups. The best need to be on the field at all times.

I got slammed on DGDB&D once for the Allen hit on Schaub. I felt that Schaub should have gotten up. Injuries suck. Especially ones as a result of a cheap shot or a result of a bad line. It's just the bad luck of the draw when one gets injured from but we pay them to play ball. If Schaub gets injured this year, I'm going to be calling for the Texans to begin a serious search for another starting QB. Bear in mind... I'm a huge Matt Schaub fan. I love the man! He has the tools to be an elite QB but having the tools doesn't do much if they're constantly in a sling.

This is also a coaching issue. The pieces are in place for Kubiak now with the exception of a few pieces such as questions surrounding our complimentary back to Slaton and defensive backfield but we mostly have the pieces in place to be a force and play some errorless games. Maybe we won't win 'em all but I'm ready to see the best play the best. I expect them to be upright. If they go down, I'm going to hope they're ok but not keep holding on to hope because he has the tools.

Play some football, Schaub. O-line, protect your QB better. Let's see some better coaching. Yaddayadda. Just get me my money's worth by giving me 16 games in a season once in a while instead of 16 games over 3 years.

Hey great post and I agree. I would LOVE to see Schaub go the distance this year, I only gave the 12-13 as a minimum that he needs to play in to stay at the helm for the next three as per the contract option. If he doesn't make it then I think we have to think about moving on at our QB position.

infantrycak
07-15-2009, 04:48 PM
For perspective, Manning is getting $14 mil as a base salary this year with a cap hit of $21.2 mil.

spurstexanstros
07-15-2009, 05:02 PM
A former back up that that hasn't even played a full season in the last two seasons is getting paid that much? Wow!

Well at least its better than what Tennesee is paying for a back up who doesnt play.(and looks like Radio)

Texecutioner
07-15-2009, 05:13 PM
Well at least its better than what Tennesee is paying for a back up who doesnt play.(and looks like Radio)

That is fine and dandy, but Tennessee doing that doesn't change anything.

Hey, if Schaub stays healthy this season and has a really good season, than none of what I'm saying matters. I was just pointing out a current fact.

NitroGSXR
07-15-2009, 05:25 PM
Injury prone is a term that I don't like throwing around much. I don't think Schaub is necessarily injury prone. He just got jobbed a few times and he's having a real hard time getting up as a result. I don't blame him for it.

In fact, Schaub's determination to get up after a hit reminds me of all of the McNair toughness that he garnered from defenses. He played hurt. Schaub tries just as hard. I see he has that same competitiveness in him.

It's just how it is in the NFL sometimes. I have a bad shoulder from my high school playing days. myself. It's a violently contact sport. It's just the way it is.

16 games or bust for Schaub. Take that for what it's worth.

mexican_texan
07-15-2009, 10:07 PM
After years of seeing Carr as the team's quarterback, I'm not bothered to see Schaub making so much.

infantrycak
07-15-2009, 11:19 PM
After years of seeing Carr as the team's quarterback, I'm not bothered to see Schaub making so much.

Yup. It seems like folks miss the night and day difference. Schaub seriously is almost the diametrical opposite of Carr. Not as athletic, but with pocket presence. Stands in there to make the play instead of going down for the sack. Loves the middle of the field rather than not seeing anything inside the hashmarks. At the stadium all day rather than at home. etc...

wags
07-15-2009, 11:20 PM
Roethlisberger (04-08-Total Games started)--13, 12, 15, 15, 16

Damn, thats pretty good considering the guy faceplanted himself off a motorcycle one season. Wonder how Schaub would recover...just kidding

gtexan02
07-15-2009, 11:27 PM
Yup. It seems like folks miss the night and day difference. Schaub seriously is almost the diametrical opposite of Carr. Not as athletic, but with pocket presence. Stands in there to make the play instead of going down for the sack. Loves the middle of the field rather than not seeing anything inside the hashmarks. At the stadium all day rather than at home. etc...

Ironically, the one other thing they are opposites in is tha tCarr only missed 4 games his whole time in Houston. What would you rather: Fetal position and healthy or stands tall and hurt?

infantrycak
07-15-2009, 11:37 PM
Ironically, the one other thing they are opposites in is tha tCarr only missed 4 games his whole time in Houston. What would you rather: Fetal position and healthy or stands tall and hurt?

I would rather try to teach a QB who stands tall to take a dive when smart than try to teach a QB who wants to go fetal to stand tall. I am actually not sure the second can be done.

NitroGSXR
07-15-2009, 11:57 PM
Ironically, the one other thing they are opposites in is tha tCarr only missed 4 games his whole time in Houston. What would you rather: Fetal position and healthy or stands tall and hurt?

Ah. It really isn't a good indicator though. Matt Schaub is worlds better of a finished product than David Carr. Carr had his 5 years with us and Schaub has had his 5 years with Atlanta and us as well. Schaub has accomplished far more despite him playing in fewer games. I'm just as frustrated as anyone else when Schaub goes down but Schaub goes down blazing. I love it.

But...

David Carr is obviously more durable. His body is better built to take punishment than Schaub's for whatever reason there may be.

Give me the QB who goes down blazing any day of the week.

The Pencil Neck
07-16-2009, 04:13 AM
Ironically, the one other thing they are opposites in is tha tCarr only missed 4 games his whole time in Houston. What would you rather: Fetal position and healthy or stands tall and hurt?

That's got to be a rhetorical question.

Hooston Texan
07-16-2009, 04:47 AM
David Carr is obviously more durable. His body is better built to take punishment than Schaub's for whatever reason there may be.

Give me the QB who goes down blazing any day of the week.

It is easier to avoid injury in the fetal position. That is why it is an instinctual position for self-preservation. On the other hand, the throwing motion exposes the body to all kinds of trauma.

Xetuoh1836
07-16-2009, 07:08 AM
I fail to see how an illegal hit to the jaw (player fined), getting pancaked (many called for a fine/enforcement of rules for a late hit), and two (2) cheap shots to the knee (Allen fined 50k) as to earning a "injury prone" player.

That being said, in the 7 season AJ has played, he has missed 10 games (2005, 3 games for calf injury and 2007, 7 games with a knee injury). Before, inbetween, and after those injuries, AJ played all 16 games. But, he has missed some games in his NFL career.
http://www.houstontexans.com/team/player.asp?player_id=37

My question is, do you consider AJ injury prone?

HOU-TEX
07-16-2009, 09:42 AM
I would rather try to teach a QB who stands tall to take a dive when smart than try to teach a QB who wants to go fetal to stand tall. I am actually not sure the second can be done.

It'd also help to have a center that doesn't get blasted into the backfield so the QB can learn to step up in the pocket avoiding the outside speed rush. More often than not, our pocket resembles a W rather than a U.

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