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Texan JBZ
07-09-2009, 12:56 PM
And the consensus winner is..ANDRE JOHNSON!!!:fans:

Big surprise, right? Hopefully, this can put an end to this silly debate.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/positional-rankings/OFF/WR

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d811347a5&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Sapp had AJ as his #2 behind Moss

Cjeremy635
07-09-2009, 01:18 PM
And the consensus winner is..ANDRE JOHNSON!!!:fans:

Big surprise, right? Hopefully, this can put an end to this silly debate.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/positional-rankings/OFF/WR

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d811347a5&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Sapp had AJ as his #2 behind Moss

Yeah, I saw that yesterday on Total Access.

m5kwatts
07-09-2009, 01:56 PM
I think clearly Andre and Fitz are above the field.....the case for Andre being #1: Fitz had only 1 game of 10+ receptions...Andre had 7

heres my rankings:

1. Andre
2. Fitz

(spaces to indicate how much better those two are)

3. Calvin Johnson
4. Randy Moss
5. Steve Smith

brakos82
07-09-2009, 02:14 PM
I think clearly Andre and Fitz are above the field.....the case for Andre being #1: Fitz had only 1 game of 10+ receptions...Andre had 7

heres my rankings:

1. Andre
2. Fitz

(spaces to indicate how much better those two are)

3. Calvin Johnson
4. Randy Moss
5. Steve Smith
I'm gonna go out on a bit of a limb and say Calvin Johnson is probably closer to being an elite WR. He's only had two years under his belt, and he's stuck in Detroit, similar to Andre was back in '03-05.

HOU-TEX
07-09-2009, 02:25 PM
I'm gonna go out on a bit of a limb and say Calvin Johnson is probably closer to being an elite WR. He's only had two years under his belt, and he's stuck in Detroit, similar to Andre was back in '03-05.

I agree. If, and when, he has a QB and a few other puzzle pieces surrounding him, the dude's going to be an absolute beast.

infantrycak
07-09-2009, 02:28 PM
He's only had two years under his belt, and he's stuck in Detroit, similar to Andre was back in '03-05.

I'll go halves on this one. In 2007 Kitna had just under 4100 yards of passing. AJ was never on the receiving end of that kind of blitz with Carr under center. But CJ does look like a beast.

m5kwatts
07-09-2009, 02:32 PM
I'm gonna go out on a bit of a limb and say Calvin Johnson is probably closer to being an elite WR. He's only had two years under his belt, and he's stuck in Detroit, similar to Andre was back in '03-05.

Well #3 isn't too bad either considering who I put him ahead of, I haven't seen anybody putting him that high. He is a beast and will be the best receiver in the NFL some day.

False Start
07-09-2009, 04:22 PM
All of the haters on there crack me up. They would take AJ on their team any day. They are just pissed their guy was not number one, I guess just like we would be of AJ wasn't there. He is though, and its the absolute truth. :cool: :jam:

nero THE zero
07-09-2009, 04:39 PM
Even though Sapp ranked Moss ahead of ahead, he said AJ is the next coming of Jerry Rice.

Sapp's got a lot of nice things to say about our team.

b0ng
07-09-2009, 04:51 PM
WR discussions bring out the worst in people. Fans get very protective of pass catchers on their teams.

I will say that having 8 TD's as your season high is something critics will ALWAYS point out.

m5kwatts
07-09-2009, 06:03 PM
WR discussions bring out the worst in people. Fans get very protective of pass catchers on their teams.

I will say that having 8 TD's as your season high is something critics will ALWAYS point out.

Heard the TD argument many times before with AJ. I'll put it this way---TDs are nothing more than 1st downs that count for 6 points...and AJ led the league with 79 first downs--thats 12 (twelve!) more than #2 on the list Tony Gonzalez a freaking tight end who doesn't run as many down field routes as AJ. No one does more dirty work between the 20s than AJ. You can think of it as a knock against him (not catching TDs) but in a way its arbitrary

gary
07-09-2009, 08:04 PM
Sapp does not seem to make uneducated remarks he gives our Texans love and knows about the game I like him.

Andrew6
07-09-2009, 08:13 PM
i think Steve smith is a hell of a WR. I would put him up at the top. he has alot of YAC and is very hard to bring down.

eriadoc
07-11-2009, 12:01 AM
I was in the book store today and AJ was on the cover of Athlon's magazine (I forget the name).

CloakNNNdagger
07-11-2009, 06:55 AM
I was in the book store today and AJ was on the cover of Athlon's magazine (I forget the name).

http://www.athlonsports.com/store/images/HOUSTON_V62.jpg

76Texan
07-11-2009, 11:27 AM
http://www.athlonsports.com/store/images/HOUSTON_V62.jpg

Nice!
The more exposure, the better for the team.

NitroGSXR
07-11-2009, 11:39 AM
I really dislike the comments section sometimes. There should be an educational requirement before one is allowed to post a comment. Bleh.

*sigh*

That being said, it was interesting reading what other people had to say about the rankings. Some brought a good argument against Johnson being #1 in the NFL link given in the first post of this thread. I really do enjoy that part of the comments section as long as it carries merit.

ubecool454
07-12-2009, 02:32 PM
I think clearly Andre and Fitz are above the field.....the case for Andre being #1: Fitz had only 1 game of 10+ receptions...Andre had 7

heres my rankings:

1. Andre
2. Fitz

(spaces to indicate how much better those two are)

3. Calvin Johnson
4. Randy Moss
5. Steve Smith

I think on any given weekend any of the first 5 listed could be #1. I give my vote to dre' because he is the most physical of the bunch.

barrett
07-12-2009, 02:39 PM
and the nicest!

J. Sean Wonton
07-12-2009, 09:20 PM
Even though Sapp ranked Moss ahead of ahead, he said AJ is the next coming of Jerry Rice.

Sapp's got a lot of nice things to say about our team.

If you rank receivers currently playing and include their entire careers, then I think Moss is ahead of Johnson, but Moss is downhill at the moment while Johnson is at the top of his game. I can see how Sapp would would rank Moss over Johnson in this way since Sapp maybe remembers Moss' career in a different way as a player during those years. My one counter of the top of my head and not knowing a lot about it is that I think Johnson would have played better made a bigger difference during those Oakland years if he was in that situation. Why? Because he did it in Houston. I didn't like how Moss' seemed to take off during that time. I admit that I don't know, but it's my impression. I can see how a competitor might even lose motivation in such a situation. I'm just a lot more impressed with a guy like Johnson who has no quit in him.

Oh, and Steve Smith is one of my favorites on that list after AJ. It's his toughness and heart that I like versus the amazing physical gifts of Calvin Johnson and the "artistic" ability of Larry Fitzgerald. I'm just not into Randy Moss. He reminds me of Terrell Owens without the passion (meaning he's more into the "I am a business" mindset to me). It may be unfair and ignorant, but it's my impression.

dalemurphy
07-13-2009, 03:00 AM
and the nicest!

I'm just glad he's alive!:foottap:

GP
07-13-2009, 08:21 AM
Well, I'm not sure if anyone knows this or not, but it's been said that Charley Casserly pretty much single-handedly made the Andre Johnson pick in the draft.

He had to go on the AJ campaign trail, within the Texas front office, to convince everyone that this was the right choice. It wasn't easy, but Casserly somehow got everyone on the same page with Andre Johnson as their pick.

Had it not been for Casserly, we wouldn't be talking about AJ as a Texans WR.

:sarcasm:

barrett
07-13-2009, 04:47 PM
I'm just glad he's alive!:foottap:

What an odd and random thing to be glad about. ;)

barrett
07-13-2009, 04:49 PM
Well, I'm not sure if anyone knows this or not, but it's been said that Charley Casserly pretty much single-handedly made the Andre Johnson pick in the draft.

He had to go on the AJ campaign trail, within the Texas front office, to convince everyone that this was the right choice. It wasn't easy, but Casserly somehow got everyone on the same page with Andre Johnson as their pick.

Had it not been for Casserly, we wouldn't be talking about AJ as a Texans WR.

:sarcasm:

So is the sarcasm just for the last line or is that whole thing a josh job? Because if it's not then there's something to be said for some of his picks!

Carr Bombed
07-14-2009, 01:58 PM
The Detroit Lions are the reason why A.J. is playing here.......if they didn't take super bust Charles Rodgers, I'm almost positive Charlie would've.

Poor Lions, atleast we only went back to back with David Carr and Andre Johnson...........they had back to back top 2 overall busts with Joey Harrington and Charles Rodgers.....OUCH.