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TimeKiller
07-08-2009, 09:41 AM
I've been reading about Cushing, watching highlights and I know it's probably the no-duh pick but I can't wait to see dude crushing RBs and TEs...I wish there was a video of him in a Texans uni taking out a crash test dummy in a Jets uni...maybe with Sanchez's number...

beerlover
07-08-2009, 09:53 AM
can't wait to see Casey score his first TD as a Texan :fans:

swtbound07
07-08-2009, 09:54 AM
Caldwell. If there is a pick we are least excited about, its Connor Barwin for me.

Silver Oak
07-08-2009, 10:02 AM
Caldwell. If there is a pick we are least excited about, its Connor Barwin for me.

actually frightens me when we agree on a subject, but I hope Caldwell becomes the player we need in the middle of the line for years to come.

False Start
07-08-2009, 10:05 AM
Cushing with Casey a close second. I can't wait to see these guys become the future for the Texans.

HOU-TEX
07-08-2009, 10:10 AM
Caldwell. If there is a pick we are least excited about, its Connor Barwin for me.

I'm not going to use the term excited, but I'm looking forward to watching a couple picks during camp and preseason. Caldwell is the first one. I think I'm basing it more on hope than excitement due to past performance at the C position. I hope he can become our long term solution at the position.

Barwin is my 2nd player I'll be zooming in on during camp. Does he really possess the type of quickness to overcome his size in order to be successful in the NFL?

All that said, I will likely be watching several different players throughout camp, but it will be these two garnering most of my attention because of the lack of production from their respective positions a year ago.

swtbound07
07-08-2009, 10:19 AM
actually frightens me when we agree on a subject, but I hope Caldwell becomes the player we need in the middle of the line for years to come.

Me and you are pretty sympatico when it comes to football. Its just the politics that divide.

ATXtexanfan
07-08-2009, 10:45 AM
hoping caldwell becomes that anchor

rmartin65
07-08-2009, 10:55 AM
Barwin, no doubt. He will be a sack specialist.
Casey and Cushing follow pretty closely

badboy
07-08-2009, 11:02 AM
Unless someone voted for Glover Quin and did not acknowledge, I am the only one voting for this guy. Here are my thoughts although management is now insisting he will remain a CB.

I hope that our corners Reeves, Bennett, Moldin and Dunta if he is there will be very good this season. Brice McCain may make team if JJ doesn't and 4.33 is fast. I would like to see Quin move to FS if he can beat out Wilson. We have a plethora at CB.

I'd like to see our D backs turn into a strength this season as I expect the line backers to do.

Hardcore Texan
07-08-2009, 11:04 AM
Cushing! Can you imagine him working next to Demeco with the improvements on the DL helping out the LB's and freeing them up a little more, I expect to see a lot of nice plays out of the rook.

Vinny
07-08-2009, 11:07 AM
Cushing easily. I'm expecting much more from him than the others. I'll gather excitement for the other noobs when I see them playing well.

HOU-TEX
07-08-2009, 11:15 AM
Unless someone voted for Glover Quin and did not acknowledge, I am the only one voting for this guy. Here are my thoughts although management is now insisting he will remain a CB.

I hope that our corners Reeves, Bennett, Moldin and Dunta if he is there will be very good this season. Brice McCain may make team if JJ doesn't and 4.33 is fast. I would like to see Quin move to FS if he can beat out Wilson. We have a plethora at CB.

I'd like to see our D backs turn into a strength this season as I expect the line backers to do.

We very well might have a plethora at CB, but a mojority of the plethora haven't proven diddly. Dunta hasn't proven he's back to 100%. Bennett has been in and out of the lineup almost as much as Faggins was. Reeves has proven he can run with any WR, but hasn't proven he can locate a football that doesn't hit him in the head. Molden hasn't really even been given the chance to play CB. Then we have 2 rookies that haven't played a down in the NFL.

I think our DB's are still one of the largest question marks going into this season.

Texecutioner
07-08-2009, 11:19 AM
I went with Barwin. He may not have the biggest impact, but he is sort of the most wild card kind of talent that seems intriguing. Casey sort of does as well, but I can't wait to see what type of level Barwin can play at.

badboy
07-08-2009, 11:21 AM
We very well might have a plethora at CB, but a mojority of the plethora haven't proven diddly. Dunta hasn't proven he's back to 100%. Bennett has been in and out of the lineup almost as much as Faggins was. Reeves has proven he can run with any WR, but hasn't proven he can locate a football that doesn't hit him in the head. Molden hasn't really even been given the chance to play CB. Then we have 2 rookies that haven't played a down in the NFL.

I think our DB's are still one of the largest question marks going into this season.Oh, I agree but this was about excitement. Nothing said about facts. In fact, we have no NFL facts on any of our rookies. I have same concerns as you but am being overly optimistic which is allowed for July. haha.

HOU-TEX
07-08-2009, 11:26 AM
Oh, I agree but this was about excitement. Nothing said about facts. In fact, we have no NFL facts on any of our rookies. I have same concerns as you but am being overly optimistic which is allowed for July. haha.

I hear ya, bro.

To be honest, I will be watching the players, but it is the defensive unit overall that I'm really looking forward to watching. Will this new "aggressive" scheme be any different than the last "aggressive" scheme we were force-fed?

nunusguy
07-08-2009, 11:26 AM
I gotta go with Barwin because he represents our best effort to date to acquire the compliment edge-rusher for Mario.
On the other end of the spectrum for me is Cushing. I just got doubts about using such a high pick on a SAM who may not be on the field in passing situations.

steelbtexan
07-08-2009, 11:33 AM
I chose Barwin, I hope he takes some of the pressure of Mario.

Cushing is a close 2nd.

I think Cushing is going to make a big difference in stopping the run as well as playing DE some on 3rd down.

The 3rd down defense should be much improved this year if the secondary hols up.

I count D.Gibbs a one of the most important hires. He should be a major upgrade over Hoke. IMO

Hopefully Gibbs can bring the best out of Bennett, Reeves and whoever starts at SS.

gtexan02
07-08-2009, 11:56 AM
The Texans and media have done a lot of hyping regarding Cushing. Im literally expecting DROY competitiveness. He should be a lock imo

The Pencil Neck
07-08-2009, 12:41 PM
We very well might have a plethora at CB, but a mojority of the plethora haven't proven diddly. Dunta hasn't proven he's back to 100%. Bennett has been in and out of the lineup almost as much as Faggins was. Reeves has proven he can run with any WR, but hasn't proven he can locate a football that doesn't hit him in the head. Molden hasn't really even been given the chance to play CB. Then we have 2 rookies that haven't played a down in the NFL.

I think our DB's are still one of the largest question marks going into this season.

Man, remember when we were saying almost the same thing about our receiving corp a couple of years ago?

badboy
07-08-2009, 12:48 PM
On paper and saying "potential" repeatedly we may actually have a very good team.

Thorn
07-08-2009, 12:56 PM
I'm most exicited about my Mondays work at home schedule, this means I can drink on football Sundays again.

Oh wait....you meant a player. Either Cushing or Conner. I fully expect the defense to be much better this year. :texflag:

badboy
07-08-2009, 01:10 PM
I'm most exicited about my Mondays work at home schedule, this means I can drink on football Sundays again.

Oh wait....you meant a player. Either Cushing or Conner. I fully expect the defense to be much better this year. :texflag:Are you concerned at all about the rest of us? (going into a rant) What about me? I have to work and drive two major freeways for an hour one way! It doesn't matter that I don't often drink but I should be able to. Thorn you are so caught up in yourself. What about me? (swallows a sedative) better now. I am so glad you get to work from home on Mondays. No, really I am.:chickendance:

HOU-TEX
07-08-2009, 01:10 PM
Man, remember when we were saying almost the same thing about our receiving corp a couple of years ago?

Ha, yes I remember that. Let's hope our DB situation will end up in a similar situation.

The Pencil Neck
07-08-2009, 01:14 PM
Ha, yes I remember that. Let's hope our DB situation will end up in a similar situation.

This is my hope.

NEB74
07-08-2009, 01:14 PM
i wanna see how all the DB's perform.
if they do good then i wont be that worried cause we'd pretty much be set.
but a player would be barwin cause he seems like a godsend

The Pencil Neck
07-08-2009, 01:42 PM
I marked Cushing.

I'm excited about Barwin, Caldwell, and Casey as well but I'm really expecting good things from Cushing. I think Hill could be a great piece to the puzzle... but I don't think he's going to be a sexy piece of the puzzle, ya know what I mean?

Hottoddie
07-08-2009, 01:43 PM
I voted Barwin. I was excited about him well before the draft & couldn't believe our luck when he was still on the board for our 2nd round pick. While he's not as big, I see him turning out to be a Jared Allen type of DE.

I'm also excited to see Cushing on the field. I wasn't excited initially, but I've warmed up to him very nicely. He looks huge next to our other LB's. If Adibi continues to progress & with the backups we now have, the linebacking crew is going to be vastly improved.

3 weeks & counting.

JB
07-08-2009, 01:46 PM
I also picked Cushing. I'm excited about the intensity level he will bring.

Also, I am really looking forward to watching Anthony Hill and the upgrade to our short yardage game and improved pass blocking against 3-4 teams.

badboy
07-08-2009, 01:57 PM
BLITZ EVERYBODY! Let the bodies hit the floor.

76Texan
07-08-2009, 03:30 PM
Cushing easily. I'm expecting much more from him than the others. I'll gather excitement for the other noobs when I see them playing well.
Barring unforeseen ciscumstances, I also expect Cushing to see the most playing time. He should have quite a few chances to tackle when the opponents run away from Mario and the weakside.

I voted for Foster as a dark horse on offense though. Hard to imagine Chris Brown lasting... however long...

spurstexanstros
07-08-2009, 03:39 PM
Caldwell. If there is a pick we are least excited about, its Connor Barwin for me.

careful..... the barwinistas are very defensive. Dont even think of saying we should have drafted a rb.....Barwin is the pass rushing De we have been waiting for......(so I have been told).


I am looking to see if the one draft pick we actually needed can be filled in the seventh round.
S-Troy Nolan. The question is:can a seventh round pick make the team and produce in a position of need?

TimeKiller
07-08-2009, 04:05 PM
careful..... the barwinistas are very defensive. Dont even think of saying we should have drafted a rb.....Barwin is the pass rushing De we have been waiting for......(so I have been told).


I am looking to see if the one draft pick we actually needed can be filled in the seventh round.
S-Troy Nolan. The question is:can a seventh round pick make the team and produce in a position of need?

There is a lot to like about Barwin and not much to dislike. I for one believe he will be a terror on passing downs, probably won't see much of the field on 1st downs. A weapon to be used sparingly and hopefully effectively.

Least exciting pick for me is McCain. He's just a real fast guy. I don't see how you could be more excited for this guy over Barwin but to each his own...

Nolan's got good things and bad things going for him. Good is there isn't much in his way to get to the field. Bad is the precedent for 7th round guys to come in and contribute is fairly high with Anderson and Diles who are legitimate guys, a decent 3rd/slot WR and an excellent backup to multiple positions/special teamer.

lilmon52
07-08-2009, 04:32 PM
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Nolan's got good things and bad things going for him. Good is there isn't much in his way to get to the field. Bad is the precedent for 7th round guys to come in and contribute is fairly high with Anderson and Diles who are legitimate guys, a decent 3rd/slot WR and an excellent backup to multiple positions/special teamer.[/QUOTE]

diles deserves more credit than just a back up.... if im correct he was starting last year and was the leading tackler till he got hurt

swtbound07
07-08-2009, 04:53 PM
There is a lot to like about Barwin and not much to dislike. I for one believe he will be a terror on passing downs, probably won't see much of the field on 1st downs. A weapon to be used sparingly and hopefully effectively.

Least exciting pick for me is McCain. He's just a real fast guy. I don't see how you could be more excited for this guy over Barwin but to each his own...

Nolan's got good things and bad things going for him. Good is there isn't much in his way to get to the field. Bad is the precedent for 7th round guys to come in and contribute is fairly high with Anderson and Diles who are legitimate guys, a decent 3rd/slot WR and an excellent backup to multiple positions/special teamer.

Barwin is a one trick pony, and we still have a gaping hole in our team called FS. Thats what I don't like about him. He's a toy. He's Antwaan Peek redux.

TimeKiller
07-08-2009, 05:01 PM
diles deserves more credit than just a back up.... if im correct he was starting last year and was the leading tackler till he got hurt

Where exactly would you fit him in? Over Ryans is a joke, Cushing came in so highly touted that the coaches handed Diles' spot over to him immediately and I'm probably not the only one who got more excited about Adibi's playmaking rather than Diles being a solid, wrap-up tackler.

HOU-TEX
07-08-2009, 05:04 PM
Barwin is a one trick pony, and we still have a gaping hole in our team called FS. Thats what I don't like about him. He's a toy. He's Antwaan Peek redux.

I don't think anyone can say Barwin is or isn't going to succeed at this time.

Which do you think is more important? A stellar pass rush? Or a stellar FS?

If you think it's a FS, don't bother answering by posting. lol

m5kwatts
07-08-2009, 05:12 PM
The Case for James Casey:

We know Cushing is going to be the SAM and is the safest bet to have immediate success. We know Barwin is the 3rd down RDE and is the backup for Mario. We also know Caldwell is the first O-lineman off the bench for any of the 3 interior spots and is eventually the center. Anthony Hill is the new blocking tight end to replace Bruener (I think he'll catch more balls than people think too). We know Glover Quinn had the best OTAs for any player on the roster and will see the field because our DB's are a huge question mark.

Which brings me to Casey. We have great targets all over the field obviously so there's a very good chance he might not even see the field until later in the season when injuries kick in and/or he has a better grasp of what his role will really be.

But then there's the RED ZONE FACTOR. We sucked in the red zone way too often last year. If there's something Casey can bring to this team its his nose for the end zone as we've seen him do it Rice. It seemed like he has the "red zone IT factor" to score the ball whether its running and bowling through the line to get it in or catching TDs. He could make for an interesting secret weapon at the start of the season in the red zone specifically. Of course if the this happens he won't be a secret there for long and it'll open things up for the other guys.

TimeKiller
07-08-2009, 05:13 PM
Barwin is a one trick pony, and we still have a gaping hole in our team called FS. Thats what I don't like about him. He's a toy. He's Antwaan Peek redux.

Yeah but that trick is pretty awesome. Safety was weak this draft, so who did you want in the 2nd round? William Moore?

How many guys come into the league as complete packages their first year?

76Texan
07-08-2009, 05:17 PM
We also know Caldwell is the first O-lineman off the bench for any of the 3 interior spots and is eventually the center. Sorry, I didn't know that!

I have gone back and review 5 of the 9 Bamas games I had reviewed before.
If Caldwell played like that, it will be a nightmare to see him on the field for the Texans at this stage!!!

Adrian Jones would be my bet to go in at G.

Double Barrel
07-08-2009, 05:44 PM
Cushing for me. The dude should be a beast, and along with DeMeco, we should see some great LB play this season.

ubecool454
07-08-2009, 05:45 PM
Anthony Hill is the guy I want to see. They think they have a blocking TE but the guy can catch too and is a load once he gets going. I think we will be throwing to a bunch of big guys this year. OD, Dreessen, Hill and Casey will give the #3 offense in 2008 more firepower for sure.

m5kwatts
07-08-2009, 06:04 PM
Sorry, I didn't know that!

I have gone back and review 5 of the 9 Bamas games I had reviewed before.
If Caldwell played like that, it will be a nightmare to see him on the field for the Texans at this stage!!!

Adrian Jones would be my bet to go in at G.

Yes but Chester mentioned in his recent interview with Brooke Bentley that the staff is talking about suiting only 7 lineman on sundays...that leaves Butler and Caldwell, who can't be snuck onto the practice squad if thats what your thinking.

hadaad
07-08-2009, 06:25 PM
Connor Barwin is a scary, scary monster.

In a good way.

Txn_in_Oki
07-08-2009, 06:29 PM
I voted Barwin. I don't know if I'm as excited as much as I just want to see what this guy can do.

swtbound07
07-08-2009, 07:04 PM
Yes I wanted William Moore.

Yes quality free safety play > pass rush. Witness Lee Evans game against us, and every damned time cc brown ever took the field. What it boils down to is that we've spent pick after pick after pick on the d-line, and continuously avoid the gaping hole at free safety. Am I excited about the next babin/peek/johnson/okoye/ etc. magical savior of our line thats finally actually going to sack people?

No.

Would I be excited if we finally tried to stop getting torched deep repeatedly through the air after a year where we gave up damn near 30 points a game? Yes. 6th and 7th round picks don't cut it. Especially when we waste a 2nd rounder on a guy who by all admissions won't even by a 3 down defensive player, and won't even start on our defense.

steelbtexan
07-08-2009, 08:02 PM
Yes I wanted William Moore.

Yes quality free safety play > pass rush. Witness Lee Evans game against us, and every damned time cc brown ever took the field. What it boils down to is that we've spent pick after pick after pick on the d-line, and continuously avoid the gaping hole at free safety. Am I excited about the next babin/peek/johnson/okoye/ etc. magical savior of our line thats finally actually going to sack people?

No.

Would I be excited if we finally tried to stop getting torched deep repeatedly through the air after a year where we gave up damn near 30 points a game? Yes. 6th and 7th round picks don't cut it. Especially when we waste a 2nd rounder on a guy who by all admissions won't even by a 3 down defensive player, and won't even start on our defense.

I cant bebelieve you have a man crush on Moore.

You do realize that Barwin did better in the strength and explosion drills. In addition to having a better 40 time and split times than Moore.

Despite Barwin weighing at least 25lbs more than Moore.

I think Barwin has more potential than Moore.

I rated getting MW as more of a need, although FS is a need too. The point is a FS like Reed wasn't available in the 2nd rd. There was less bust potential in taking a DE (Barwin) over any FS at that point in the draft.

Stop comparing Barwin to Babin. Babin played in a small college confrence. Barwin led a BCS confrence in sacks despite it being his 1st year playing the position.

Babin has never run a 4.47 40 in his life. Barwin needs to get stronger and he has a great work ethic. So I expect him to improve his strength next off-season and be a full time starter some time in year two.

Babin didn't have Barwin's work ethic.

I believe Barwin is a good pass rusher, whose only starting to tap into his potential and has the ability to be a Jared Allen type DE in a couple of years.

beerlover
07-08-2009, 08:02 PM
Yes I wanted William Moore.

Yes quality free safety play > pass rush. Witness Lee Evans game against us, and every damned time cc brown ever took the field. What it boils down to is that we've spent pick after pick after pick on the d-line, and continuously avoid the gaping hole at free safety. Am I excited about the next babin/peek/johnson/okoye/ etc. magical savior of our line thats finally actually going to sack people?

No.

Would I be excited if we finally tried to stop getting torched deep repeatedly through the air after a year where we gave up damn near 30 points a game? Yes. 6th and 7th round picks don't cut it. Especially when we waste a 2nd rounder on a guy who by all admissions won't even by a 3 down defensive player, and won't even start on our defense.

Lee Evans is a burner, William Moore does not catch him with 4.58 speed. Also these deep balls take time to develop which will be few & far between Barwin chasing, Smith crashing, Okoye penetrating & Mario smashing QB's (1001, 1002, ;#%!)

It's frustrating & I understand your point, eventually the Texans will commit a 1st rd. pick to a safety but for now it seems kinda like RB by committee. The reason is its year 4 & the Texans are still focused on building blocks. I reckon when the Texans do pull the trigger on a FS/SS its going to be someone really special. For now the focus is all going to be on DL pressure. So to those who answeard Barwin thats perfectly understandable too. Just don't sleep on this group in the secondary because where they were selected.

steelbtexan
07-08-2009, 08:11 PM
Count me in the camp with BL and the S position.

By the way there are 3 or 4 Safties in next years draft that are better prospects than any S in this years draft. IMO

rmartin65
07-08-2009, 08:33 PM
Next year is a good year for safeties. Mays, Stuckey, Berry, Jones, Allen and Chancellor all have first round potential.

ObsiWan
07-08-2009, 08:54 PM
I'm not truly "excited" about any of them. But these things have me very curious:

1) Will Caldwell step up and take the starting center job from Myers.

2) Can A. Foster (or J. Johnson) make Chris Brown expendable.

3) Is G.Q. the real deal or just a practice all-star?

I've stopped getting "excited" about 1st day picks. I'll just wait and see. For every Adrian Peterson that performs as hoped there's a Jamarcus Russell or Reggie Bush or Matt Leinart that never quite lives up to all the hype. Cushing and Barwin will have to earn my respect. They'd have to really stink not to be given more than a "fair shot"; they're supposed to make the squad. Second-day guys come into camp knowing they're on the bubble. When a 2nd-day guy can bump a vet or a higher pick out of a job - he gets my respect. That's why they hold more interest for me.

Giant Tiger
07-08-2009, 08:56 PM
I went with Antoine Caldwell. Last year Tennessee's DL was in Schaub's face the whole game. I was happy for the win, but I was mad about our line being pushed around. I want to control the LOS & time of possession... success on short yardage, too. That's why I yelled when he was picked :kingkong:

MojoMan
07-08-2009, 08:58 PM
Cushing is an exciting pick, but Caldwell is an awesome pick. If all goes well for him, he should anchor the middle of the OL for years to come. And he is a long snapper as well. Great value selection by Smithiak.

Antoine Caldwell.

infantrycak
07-08-2009, 09:03 PM
Yes quality free safety play > pass rush.

Very few coaches would agree with you based on the draft picks and money spent on the two positions.

Yes. 6th and 7th round picks don't cut it. Especially when we waste a 2nd rounder on a guy who by all admissions won't even by a 3 down defensive player, and won't even start on our defense.

We have a 2nd round pick with a SB ring starting at FS. Once Wilson came in the position was substantially upgraded.

wags
07-08-2009, 10:36 PM
I'm excited about Casey the most. I think he could be just as effective as OD if used.

With Cushing I just don't know if he can cover Dallas Clark. If he can't then that ain't going to help us beat the Colts and win the division.

texasguy346
07-08-2009, 11:16 PM
Connor Barwin is a scary, scary monster.

In a good way.

I'm excited about Casey the most. I think he could be just as effective as OD if used.


These are the two I'm excited about the most. Barwin simply for his potential. I think he could be a very effective pass rush specialist, and maybe develop into an every down DE. Casey seems like he fits the system really well, and I think he'll be an impact player if given the opportunity. Plus he's really a great value pick.

Mari-OWNED!
07-08-2009, 11:26 PM
I voted for Brian Cushing for obvious reasons, as he should be the rookie that makes the biggest impact.

I am also excited for James Casey. I want to see 2 Tight End sets with Daniels, and Casey!

SteveSlaton20
07-09-2009, 12:25 AM
Cushing, with Glover a close 2nd.

TimeKiller
07-09-2009, 07:53 AM
Yes I wanted William Moore.

Yes quality free safety play > pass rush.

Dude....


DUDE....

come on. A mini LB like Moore isn't going to help deep passes anyway. William Moore's talent barely got him into the 2nd round in a pretty awful safety class. I want you to make a list of the guys out of the 2nd round you think are going to be regular starters, playing lets say 80% or more of the snaps this year. Ready go.

HOU-TEX
07-09-2009, 08:39 AM
Yes I wanted William Moore.

Yes quality free safety play > pass rush. Witness Lee Evans game against us, and every damned time cc brown ever took the field. What it boils down to is that we've spent pick after pick after pick on the d-line, and continuously avoid the gaping hole at free safety. Am I excited about the next babin/peek/johnson/okoye/ etc. magical savior of our line thats finally actually going to sack people?

No.


Signed,

Clueless about the game of Football

scourge
07-09-2009, 08:56 AM
I say Cushing. I like what he did on a consistant basis in college and that with his physical attributes should translate well in the NFL.


While I may be way off, the Barwin pick screams Babin/Peek to me.
And that scares me. I hope I am wrong. But just throwing combine numbers like 4.47 without pads in a dome does nothing for me. There are a lot of fast undersized people with "potential" who amount to nothing. And only one year of experience isn't a plus for me. Guys like Freeny and Mathis aren't what I would call common.

While there are plenty of positives on him, these type issues bother me...
taken from NFL.com

Negatives: A bit tight in the hips, is not smooth changing direction or handling coverage in the flat. ... Is not a quick-twitch athlete. ... Although he showed some explosiveness and suddenness off the edge, NFL tackles will be more difficult to beat. ... Inexperienced on defense, played only one season; must continue working on his pass-rushing techniques.

this is just one websites opinion, i am sure others disagree.

swtbound07
07-09-2009, 09:12 AM
Signed,

Clueless about the game of Football

signed,

visually aware of how and why our defense has sucked.

HOU-TEX
07-09-2009, 09:26 AM
signed,

visually aware of how and why our defense has sucked.

Yep, that's it. Our entire defense sucked because the lack of a superstar FS. :spit:

A football team's success starts up front, in the trenches. An offense's success relies on the front 5-7. A defense's success relies on the front 7.

Look around the League, dude. Can you find me a defense that relies primarily on their DB's, much less their freakin FS? LOL, geez

swtbound07
07-09-2009, 09:27 AM
Yep, that's it. Our entire defense sucked because the lack of a superstar FS. :spit:

A football team's success starts up front, in the trenches. An offense's success relies on the front 5-7. A defense's success relies on the front 7.

Look around the League, dude. Can you find me a defense that relies primarily on their DB's, much less their freakin FS? LOL, geez

no, our defense sucked because of our secondary, not our pass rush. Our FS is the biggest hole in our secondary, and one thats never been addressed.

HOU-TEX
07-09-2009, 09:39 AM
no, our defense sucked because of our secondary, not our pass rush. Our FS is the biggest hole in our secondary, and one thats never been addressed.

We were 27th in the League in sacks, 22nd in stopping the run, yet our passing defense ranked 17th. Our secondary must've been doing something right, no?

Eh, obviously I'm not going to make any progress. Carry on :tiphat:

infantrycak
07-09-2009, 10:38 AM
no, our defense sucked because of our secondary, not our pass rush. Our FS is the biggest hole in our secondary, and one thats never been addressed.

I guess you are just going to keep ignoring Eugene Wilson - you know the starting FS who when not on the field wears two Super Bowl rings earned playing that position (and a few games at CB).

swtbound07
07-09-2009, 10:48 AM
I guess you are just going to keep ignoring Eugene Wilson - you know the starting FS who when not on the field wears two Super Bowl rings earned playing that position (and a few games at CB).

Same Eugene Wilson that has started 20 games over the past 3 years and managed to pick off 3 passes in that same timespan?

Real monster ballhawking FS there.

infantrycak
07-09-2009, 10:57 AM
Same Eugene Wilson that has started 20 games over the past 3 years and managed to pick off 3 passes in that same timespan?

Real monster ballhawking FS there.

Same Dunta Robinson that hasn't had more than 2 INT's in a season since his rookie year?

Real monster ball hawking CB there.

When Wilson became the starter the position was substantially upgraded. Yes it could be upgraded more as could all but about 3 positions on the team.

HOU-TEX
07-09-2009, 11:21 AM
Same Eugene Wilson that has started 20 games over the past 3 years and managed to pick off 3 passes in that same timespan?

Real monster ballhawking FS there.

Okay, let's put your flawed FS>pass rush logic aside for a moment.

You don't even know which safety position the Texans need to step up the most. After Wilson became the starter at FS, SS became the bigger need of the two. There are high hopes for Barber to become that SS we need, but he hasn't yet.

steelbtexan
07-09-2009, 11:37 AM
I-CAK dont confuse SWTB with the facts

Wilson and Ferguson (to a lesser degree) solidified the secondary last year.

The fact that Wilson had only a few int.'s had more to do with the QB having all day to scan the field due to the lack of a pass rush.

If somebody is an upgrade at SS then I could see Ferguson getting replaced.

Smithiak didn't see a S that was good enough to spend a high draft on.

Smithiak chose to not force a pick at S and stayed true to their board. They chose a LB who was a 4 year starter on one the best college defenses in history and a DE with the potential to be a stud.

Instead of choosing Moore who cant cover the slot WR's and misses alot of tackles.

Smithiaks draft may not be as good as th MW-DR- Winston draft but it is better than any other draft in Texans history. IMO

Blake
07-09-2009, 11:55 AM
:includeme:

I picked Cushing.

TimeKiller
07-09-2009, 12:03 PM
Instead of choosing Moore who cant cover the slot WR's and misses alot of tackles.
So all he did was pick off 10 passes his jr year right?

Sounds like another 2nd round one trick pony to me.


Smithiaks draft may not be as good as th MW-DR- Winston draft but it is better than any other draft in Texans history. IMO

I think we have some real good shots at adding playmakers in this draft. Quin, Casey, Barwin and yes, Cushing. When all is said and done (in like 2-3 years) we'll have a good discussion on the better of the two!

TimeKiller
07-09-2009, 12:15 PM
Here it is, the 2009 2nd round. How many assume a starter's amount of snaps?

1 DET Delmas, Louis, CB, Western Michigan
2 NE Chung, Patrick, SS, Oregon
3 STL Laurinaitis, James, ILB, Ohio State
4 CLE Robiskie, Brian, WR, Ohio State
5 DEN Smith, Alphonso, CB, Wake Forest
6 CIN Maualuga, Rey, ILB, Southern Cal
7 JAX Britton, Eben, OT, Arizona
8 NE Brace, Ron, DT, Boston College
9 NE Butler, Darius, CB, Connecticut
10 BUF Byrd, Jairus, CB, Oregon
11 CAR Brown, Everette, DE, Florida State
12 MIA White, Pat, QB, West Virginia
13 NYG Sintim, Clint, OLB, Virginia
14 HOU Barwin, Connor, DE, Cincinnati
15 OAK Mitchell, Michael, S, Ohio
16 DEN McBath, Darcel, CB, Texas Tech
17 SEA Unger, Max, OT, Oregon
18 CLE Massaquoi, Mohamed, WR, Georgia
19 BUF Levitre, Andy, OL, Oregon State
20 CLE Veikune, David, DE, Hawaii
21 PHI McCoy, LeSean, RB, Pittsburgh
22 MIN Loadholt, Phil, OL, Oklahoma
23 ATL Moore, William, S, Missouri
24 IND Moala, Fili, DT, Southern Cal
25 BAL Kruger, Paul, DE, Utah
26 NE Vollmer, Sebastian, OL, Houston
27 CAR Martin, Sherrod, S, Troy
28 NYG Beatty, William, OT, Connecticut
29 MIA Smith, Sean, CB, Utah
30 TEN Marks, Sen'Derrick, DT, Auburn
31 ARI Brown, Cody, DE, Connecticut
32 DEN Quinn, Richard, TE, North Carolina

I count 10 and just to be safe, we'll make it 12. Less than half of these guys will be playing huge roles this season in my opinion. Frankly, if we were going to take a safety 2nd round I'd have picked Sean Smith over a junior season of hype and a senior season of injury.

beerlover
07-09-2009, 12:50 PM
Here it is, the 2009 2nd round. How many assume a starter's amount of snaps?

1 DET Delmas, Louis, CB, Western Michigan
2 NE Chung, Patrick, SS, Oregon
3 STL Laurinaitis, James, ILB, Ohio State
4 CLE Robiskie, Brian, WR, Ohio State
5 DEN Smith, Alphonso, CB, Wake Forest
6 CIN Maualuga, Rey, ILB, Southern Cal
7 JAX Britton, Eben, OT, Arizona
8 NE Brace, Ron, DT, Boston College
9 NE Butler, Darius, CB, Connecticut
10 BUF Byrd, Jairus, CB, Oregon
11 CAR Brown, Everette, DE, Florida State
12 MIA White, Pat, QB, West Virginia
13 NYG Sintim, Clint, OLB, Virginia
14 HOU Barwin, Connor, DE, Cincinnati
15 OAK Mitchell, Michael, S, Ohio
16 DEN McBath, Darcel, CB, Texas Tech
17 SEA Unger, Max, OT, Oregon
18 CLE Massaquoi, Mohamed, WR, Georgia
19 BUF Levitre, Andy, OL, Oregon State
20 CLE Veikune, David, DE, Hawaii
21 PHI McCoy, LeSean, RB, Pittsburgh
22 MIN Loadholt, Phil, OL, Oklahoma
23 ATL Moore, William, S, Missouri
24 IND Moala, Fili, DT, Southern Cal
25 BAL Kruger, Paul, DE, Utah
26 NE Vollmer, Sebastian, OL, Houston
27 CAR Martin, Sherrod, S, Troy
28 NYG Beatty, William, OT, Connecticut
29 MIA Smith, Sean, CB, Utah
30 TEN Marks, Sen'Derrick, DT, Auburn
31 ARI Brown, Cody, DE, Connecticut
32 DEN Quinn, Richard, TE, North Carolina

I count 10 and just to be safe, we'll make it 12. Less than half of these guys will be playing huge roles this season in my opinion. Frankly, if we were going to take a safety 2nd round I'd have picked Sean Smith over a junior season of hype and a senior season of injury.

your about right :)

eriadoc
07-09-2009, 01:33 PM
I voted Caldwell, but I freely admit I am actually a bit more "excited" about James Casey. I recognize that he likely won't do much this year, but I think he can be an exciting player in years to come.

Caldwell is the one I'm happiest about, though.

Silver Oak
07-09-2009, 02:00 PM
17 more days and this will start to become a reality. (22 for vets) :texflag:

ObsiWan
07-09-2009, 08:24 PM
no, our defense sucked because of our secondary, not our pass rush. Our FS is the biggest hole in our secondary, and one thats never been addressed.

I can't get past how one can figure a FS can contribute more to a defense's success than the four DL can. The FS gets in the mix maybe half the time ...mostly on passing plays. On the other hand, one or more of those 4 DL have an opportunity to make a play each and every snap.

But that's not the point of this post... let's look at what teams will pay for a given position. That's usually the most honest indicator of the comparitive worth of each given position.

I searched on "NFL Average Salaries by Position" and found this S.I. link (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/0807/nfl.average.salaries.by.position/content.1.html)...
1. Quarterback | $1,970,982
2. Defensive End | $1,583,784
3. Offensive Lineman | $1,267,402
4. Defensive Tackle | $1,223,925
5. Cornerback | $1,193,666
6. Linebacker | $1,175,788
7. Wide Receiver | $1,054,437
8. Running Back | $957,360
9. Safety | $947,887
10. Punter/Kicker | $868,005
11. Tight End | $863,414

There was no date on this thing but I suspect its circa 2007-2008; so the average dollar values have no doubt changed (especially with Haynesworth's and Winslow's big paydays) but I'll betcha the rankings haven't. If someone can find a more recent ranking please post it.

Message:
If safeties were that important they'd be higher on this list.

steelbtexan
07-09-2009, 10:03 PM
So all he did was pick off 10 passes his jr year right?

Sounds like another 2nd round one trick pony to me.



I think we have some real good shots at adding playmakers in this draft. Quin, Casey, Barwin and yes, Cushing. When all is said and done (in like 2-3 years) we'll have a good discussion on the better of the two!

Moore needs to get healthy and regain his speed if he's going to be a player.

More than the drop off in INTS what bothered me was all of the tackles he kept missing.

You're right it will be interesting to see who the 2nd rd gems will be in 2-3 years.

rmartin65
07-09-2009, 10:48 PM
You're right it will be interesting to see who the 2nd rd gems will be in 2-3 years.

There are quite a few players that I think will be really good players. The 2nd round talent this year was really good. Up to half of these guys should become starters within 3 years.

infantrycak
07-10-2009, 12:22 AM
There are quite a few players that I think will be really good players. The 2nd round talent this year was really good. Up to half of these guys should become starters within 3 years.

It's funny how often we see similar statements generically about 1st day picks from a draft or around the league, but for the Texans it is cause for much gnashing of teeth if a player isn't a starter the 1st game, much less 1st year or lord forbid is a complete bust by not starting within the 1st two years.

steelbtexan
07-10-2009, 01:08 AM
If Cushing is a productive starter, Barwin becomes the pass rusher thats been lacking and Hill does a good job allowing Slaton to make more 3rd and 1's this year I will be very happy with our draft.

The other draft picks have great potential and may be productive in year 2-3. IMO

I hope I'm wrong and all of them do great this year and this is the best draft class ever.

mexican_texan
07-10-2009, 01:28 AM
I like Quinn, I think he'll be our best DB since Glenn.

76Texan
07-10-2009, 03:11 AM
Yes but Chester mentioned in his recent interview with Brooke Bentley that the staff is talking about suiting only 7 lineman on sundays...that leaves Butler and Caldwell, who can't be snuck onto the practice squad if thats what your thinking.
I believe we mostly suited 7 on game days, but we carried 9.
Besides the regular 5, we had Salaam, White, Studdard, and Butler.

Salaam is gone.

Now we have Caldwell, Jones as main candidates for roster spots.

I'm thinking one of the 3: White, Studdard or Butler will be cut.
Butler might be the safest as swing tackle, especially now that Salaam is gone.

But who knows, another guy or two may emerge in camp.
I'm not banking on that though.

76Texan
07-10-2009, 03:17 AM
Cushing is an exciting pick, but Caldwell is an awesome pick. If all goes well for him, he should anchor the middle of the OL for years to come. And he is a long snapper as well. Great value selection by Smithiak.

Antoine Caldwell.

Was Caldwell an emergency slong snapper for Alabama?

76Texan
07-10-2009, 03:22 AM
Anthony Hill is the guy I want to see. They think they have a blocking TE but the guy can catch too and is a load once he gets going. I think we will be throwing to a bunch of big guys this year. OD, Dreessen, Hill and Casey will give the #3 offense in 2008 more firepower for sure.
I like them all, just don't know if we have enough balls to throw around.
We had used the 3-TE set more than a few times before (but not last year, I don't think.)
Heck, I say put Barwin in there as well and run the spread with 5 TEs once a while and see how the other team deal with it, LOL!
Use it in the red zone, I'm serious!
Why should Kubiak the innovator be limited in his mindset???

And Duane Brown can play TE, too!

76Texan
07-10-2009, 03:44 AM
It's funny how often we see similar statements generically about 1st day picks from a draft or around the league, but for the Texans it is cause for much gnashing of teeth if a player isn't a starter the 1st game, much less 1st year or lord forbid is a complete bust by not starting within the 1st two years.

I'm old school.
Some guys may have talent but need to hone their skills at the position.
And if we have a veteran who can man the post, I would not hesitate to sit the rookie I drafted in the first round.

HOU-TEX
07-10-2009, 09:32 AM
Was Caldwell an emergency slong snapper for Alabama?

Sorry, 76, I know this was a typo but I giggled for a good five minutes after reading it. Lack of sleep, maybe, but it was funny as heck.

:spit:

76Texan
07-10-2009, 01:36 PM
Sorry, 76, I know this was a typo but I giggled for a good five minutes after reading it. Lack of sleep, maybe, but it was funny as heck.

:spit:

I invented a new word thanks to insomnia! http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

Trail.Blazr
07-10-2009, 03:31 PM
I voted Cush as most excited. With Demeco already established as a pro-bowl talent, and my hopes that Adibi grows to similar level, I'm hoping the Meathead can help elevate the Texans LB corps to the same elite status at the NFL level, that he was part of at the Collegiate level.

Like much other sentiment in this thread, I ultimately have reservations about the secondary's success this year that outweigh the front 7, but if we can stop the run without the secondary having to worry about contributing on that effort, my hopes would be the secondary can actually focus on pass coverage.