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Killer Bee
06-22-2009, 08:51 PM
It’s the dead season and we’re all bored, so here’s my way too early roster prediction. I think it’s pretty well balanced.

Offense 26

QB 3
Matt Schaub
Dan Orlovsky
Rex Grossman

WR 5
Andre Johnson
Kevin Walter
Andre Davis
David Anderson
Jacoby Jones

RB 4
Steve Slaton
Chris Brown
Ryan Moats
Arian Foster

OL 8
Eric Winston
Duane Brown
Chris Myers
Chester Pitts
Mike Brisiel
Rashad Butler
Antoine Caldwell
Adrian Jones

FB 2
Vonta Leach
Boomer Grigsby

TE 4
Owen Daniels
Joel Dreesen
Anthony Hill
James Casey

Defense 24

DL 9
Mario Williams
Antonio Smith
Amobi Okoye
Travis Johnson
Connor Barwin
Tim Bulman
DelJuan Robinson
Shaun Cody
Frank Okam

LB 6
DeMeco Ryans
Bryan Cushing
Xavier Adibi
Kevin Bentley
Zac Diles
Cato June

CB 5
Dunta Robinson
Jacques Reeves
Fred Bennett
Antwaun Molden
Glover Quin

S 4
Eugene Wilson
Nick Ferguson
Dominique Barber
Troy Nolan

Special Teams 3

Kris Brown (K)
Matt Turk (P)
Clark Harris (LS)

Practice Squad 8

Alex Brink (QB)
Jeremiah Johnson (RB)
Darnell Jenkins (WR)
Jason Watkins (OT)
Brice McCain (CB)
Mark Parson (CB)
Jesse Nading (DE)
Josh Leonard (DT)

Notable Cuts

Brandon Harrison (S)
Kasey Studdard (G)
Stanley McClover (DE)
Chaun Thompson (LB)
Chris White (C)
Kevis Coley (LB)

Aaron
06-22-2009, 09:04 PM
We won't be keeping 4 RB's and 2 FB's on the active roster...

I doubt Kelvis Coley makes the team while Brandon Harrison gets cut.

Dosen't Harrison still have some practice squad eligibility??

Killer Bee
06-22-2009, 09:26 PM
I’m not saying 4 RB and 7 LB will be suiting up, but it’s good for depth and special teams. I cut Harrison because he hasn’t shown anything in two years and I don’t believe he’s practice squad eligible. I concede that 7 LB is very heavy. Your right about Coley being on the edge and that his spot could easily go to a LS, S, or WR. Safety is a little lite but i figured Glover Quin could possible fill in.

TexansFanatic
06-22-2009, 09:52 PM
That seems pretty dead on to me.

The Pencil Neck
06-22-2009, 09:56 PM
1. I don't think Grigsby makes it. And I think they'll look at getting either Casey and/or Chris Brown reps at FB. Although if Chris does go there, he'll immediately break.

2. I'll be surprised if we don't have a dedicated long snapper. Clark Harris did OK and I don't expect him to leave.

3. I think we'll carry 9 or 10 OL.

4. I expect 6 linebackers max. IIRC, I expected 6 LB's last year and they started the season with only 5. I really liked how Kevis looked in preseason last year but I don't think he's going to make it.

5. I don't expect Harrison to get cut quite yet.

6. I'm not going to be surprised to see Darnell Jenkins make the squad at WR. And that could be the end of Jacoby.

DiehardChris
06-22-2009, 10:01 PM
Chris Brown at FB? That's a joke, right?

PN - I totally agree with your #6. I've already seen someone covering the Texans (I don't recall who) saying that Jacoby has already had a couple of bad muffed punts, and on the other side - Kubiak has said on at least one occasion that Darnell Jenkins is looking really, really strong so far.

Killer Bee
06-22-2009, 10:19 PM
Those are good points Pencil Neck except I disagree that we'll carry 9 or 10 OL. In fact I'm going to edit it and add Clark Harris and remove Coley. 7 LB is overkill.

On another note, I expect more speed and fewer big bodies on kick return due to the rule change of only a 3 man wedge.

MojoMan
06-22-2009, 10:28 PM
Antoine Caldwell will be the long snapper. Not Casey or Harris.

imatexan
06-22-2009, 10:52 PM
I highly doubt Rex will be our number 3 guy, I think he will be in front of Dan O.

The Pencil Neck
06-22-2009, 11:49 PM
Chris Brown at FB? That's a joke, right?


A little bit. Like I said, he'd immediately break.

But he'd be at least as good as Cecil Sapp was in that RB/FB role last year. :)

The Pencil Neck
06-22-2009, 11:52 PM
Those are good points Pencil Neck except I disagree that we'll carry 9 or 10 OL.

How many did we carry most of last year? 9, right?

Brown, Pitts, Myers, Pitts, Winston, Salaam, Studdard, White, Butler

You think we'll drop to 8 with Brown getting more experience?

Killer Bee
06-23-2009, 12:38 AM
I think Antoine Caldwell versatility replaces White and Studdard. My guess is that they had to use an extra roster spot to stash Butler away. I think well be at 8 because both Brown and Butler have gained experience. We normally only suit up only 7 anyway and you could consider Anthony Hill as our 9th.

V3rm0nt3r
06-23-2009, 12:53 AM
How many did we carry most of last year? 9, right?

Brown, Pitts, Myers, Pitts, Winston, Salaam, Studdard, White, Butler

You think we'll drop to 8 with Brown getting more experience?

i know you and i might have two pits but how many do you expect the Texans to have?

barrett
06-23-2009, 03:45 AM
I think Antoine Caldwell versatility replaces White and Studdard.

Yup. Spot on. I don't think we'll carry two fb's. I would expect Coley to make the team and June miss out. June and Thompson are on the outside looking in in my opinion. Bently can play all three positions. Adibi and Diles are a lock on one side. Diles can play all three positions as well. Ryans doesn't come off the field. I think it comes down to June Coley and Thompson and who has the most diversity? Who can play multiple positions and be lights out on ST. I would argue that Thompson has the upperhand there but Coley has age on his side. June has experience but I don't think that's worth a roster spot with this much depth at the LB position on this team.

Kaiser Toro
06-23-2009, 06:54 AM
Yup. Spot on. I don't think we'll carry two fb's. I would expect Coley to make the team and June miss out. June and Thompson are on the outside looking in in my opinion. Bently can play all three positions. Adibi and Diles are a lock on one side. Diles can play all three positions as well. Ryans doesn't come off the field. I think it comes down to June Coley and Thompson and who has the most diversity? Who can play multiple positions and be lights out on ST. I would argue that Thompson has the upperhand there but Coley has age on his side. June has experience but I don't think that's worth a roster spot with this much depth at the LB position on this team.

June played Safety in College, was an All-Pro and a Super Bowl Champ. If I am hearing you and another correctly, our returning Texans LB Reserves, from an awful defense, are of more value than Cato June.

dalemurphy
06-23-2009, 07:55 AM
June played Safety in College, was an All-Pro and a Super Bowl Champ. If I am hearing you and another correctly, our returning Texans LB Reserves, from an awful defense, are of more value than Cato June.

Sounds like the argument that brought Ahman Green and Roosevelt Colvin here.

Kaiser Toro
06-23-2009, 07:58 AM
Sounds like the argument that brought Ahman Green and Roosevelt Colvin here.

Colvin was 31 and Green was a 30 year old RB. Sounds like your age argument just went boom.

Insideop
06-23-2009, 08:11 AM
1. I don't think Grigsby makes it. And I think they'll look at getting either Casey and/or Chris Brown reps at FB. Although if Chris does go there, he'll immediately break.

2. I'll be surprised if we don't have a dedicated long snapper. Clark Harris did OK and I don't expect him to leave.

3. I think we'll carry 9 or 10 OL.

4. I expect 6 linebackers max. IIRC, I expected 6 LB's last year and they started the season with only 5. I really liked how Kevis looked in preseason last year but I don't think he's going to make it.

5. I don't expect Harrison to get cut quite yet.

6. I'm not going to be surprised to see Darnell Jenkins make the squad at WR. And that could be the end of Jacoby.

I wouldn't count Grigsby out yet. I hear he is a very good ST player and I think that is the deciding factor for all the potential backups.

You're right about the OL. We've carried 9 (10 counting the LS) at least as long as Kubes has been here and I don't think he will change that.

I agree with 2 and 4 also. Not sure how I feel about 5 and 6. I guess it wouldn't surprise me on them either way.

dalemurphy
06-23-2009, 08:16 AM
Colvin was 31 and Green was a 30 year old RB. Sounds like your age argument just went boom.

What did age have to do with the argument "he was an all-pro and a Superbowl champ"?

By the way, June was the LB for the Superbowl champion team that was one of the worst rush defenses in NFL history. I'm pretty sure Ron Dayne had about 180 yards rushing against them.

I'm not sure what you're bristling about. I like June and I'm glad we signed him. My only assertion is that I would love to see these other guys step up and win these jobs. If that happened and everyone remained healthy, we would be good enough at LB to cut Cato June.


I'm not going to bother to look it up since age has little to do with my argument, but I'm pretty sure that AGreen was 28 when we signed him and 29 for his entire first season. Age really isn't the issue though. Backup LBs need to do more than June does. Usually, they need to backup more than one position (I'd hate to see June at MLB or SLB) and play ST.

Kaiser Toro
06-23-2009, 08:21 AM
I'm not going to bother to look it up since age has little to do with my argument, but I'm pretty sure that AGreen was 28 when we signed him and 29 for his entire first season. Age really isn't the issue though. Backup LBs need to do more than June does. Usually, they need to backup more than one position (I'd hate to see June at MLB or SLB) and play ST.

I think you are putting too much stock into LBs playing ST this year. I believe that June will be a specialist at LB at worst, which the new ST rules and our stocking up of TE's affords us.

V3rm0nt3r
06-23-2009, 09:04 AM
I think you are putting too much stock into LBs playing ST this year. I believe that June will be a specialist at LB at worst, which the new ST rules and our stocking up of TE's affords us.

i believe this is what wins June the job. he'll look very strong against good TE's and, playing Dallas Clark and the TE pass happy Titans twice a year will make him looking to be the better fit for this roster. i think that we have plenty of versatility between Diles and Bently so Coley will become just a ST player and Thompson got replaced by Cush so that will ultimately remove him from the team. i understand that ST is a big part to the game but playing defense is bigger.

The Pencil Neck
06-23-2009, 09:24 AM
i know you and i might have two pits but how many do you expect the Texans to have?

heh heh... oops.

The second Pitts was Brisiel in disguise. He's very sneaky that way.

The Pencil Neck
06-23-2009, 09:32 AM
I wouldn't count Grigsby out yet. I hear he is a very good ST player and I think that is the deciding factor for all the potential backups.

I remember Boomer from the Chiefs being on Hard Knocks. Seems like a real character and a nice guy. I think we've got a lot of talented guys willing to play ST and I think that he's just not good enough to make the cut.

dalemurphy
06-23-2009, 09:37 AM
I think you are putting too much stock into LBs playing ST this year. I believe that June will be a specialist at LB at worst, which the new ST rules and our stocking up of TE's affords us.


That's an interesting theory. I really am curious to see what kick returning and kickoffs are like this season.

Just to be clear: I'm not predicting that he won't make the team. I was just stating that the ideal would be for these other guys to step up and win the jobs. I won't be upset to see June on the field in Nickel situations... believe me!

Killer Bee
06-23-2009, 11:29 AM
It's going to be a lot of fun watching the LBs battle it out in camp. RB ought to be a tough competition as well especially if we gain any Denver cast offs.

If Cushing struggles in the nickel, June should have the most value as a third down LB. Either way I believe June beats out Thompson and Coley.

I’m also going to keep a close eye on Darnell Jenkins. From what I’ve read, he never fully lived up to his talent at Miami. Not sure if it was due to missed opportunities or just bad timing. I still think that we only carry 5 WR and that Jacob Jones punt return abilities keeps Jenkins on the practice squad. We’ll see.

Texan4Ever
06-23-2009, 11:39 AM
Cato June MAY have a spot on our roster as a pass-situation OLB but his lack of height posses a problem when taking on offensive linemen. If our defensive line can keep our linebackers off of opposing linemen then I think June will have a bigger impact on our team but IMO he is nothing but a backup as of now.

The way I see it, our starting linebackers will probably be Xavier Adibi, DeMeco Ryans, and Brian Cushing. I would like to see Zach Diles in the lineup as well as Connor Barwin, but from what everyone has posted about him he is our backup DE.

Also, I have a feeling that maybe Travis Johnson might be cut before the start of the regular season because it appears to me that Coach Kubiak is apparently disgusted at the fact he is unable to come out and practice with the rest of the team. If Frank Okam can develop into a starting DT and stay healthy, thats one more reason for us to get rid of him.

:texflag:

J. Sean Wonton
06-23-2009, 01:11 PM
Offense

QB 3
Matt Schaub
Dan Orlovsky
Rex Grossman

WR 4
Andre Johnson
Kevin Walter
Andre Davis
David Anderson

RB 3
Steve Slaton
Ryan Moats
Arian Foster

OL 7
Chester Pitts
Eric Winston
Duane Brown
Mike Brisiel
Chris Myers
Antoine Caldwell
Rashad Butler

FB 1
Vonta Leach

TE 3
Owen Daniels
Anthony Hill
James Casey

Defense

DL 8
Mario Williams
Antonio Smith
Amobi Okoye
Connor Barwin
Tim Bulman
DelJuan Robinson
Shaun Cody
Frank Okam

LB 6
DeMeco Ryans
Bryan Cushing
Xavier Adibi
Kevin Bentley
Zac Diles
Cato June

CB 5
Dunta Robinson
Jacques Reeves
Fred Bennett
Antwaun Molden
Glover Quin

S 4
Eugene Wilson
Nick Ferguson
Dominique Barber
Brandon Harrison

Special Teams 2

Kris Brown (K)
Matt Turk (P)

46 flagged to make the team
last 7 spots to 7 most impressive in offseason not on list of 46
next 8 most impressive on practice squad
cut the rest

V3rm0nt3r
06-24-2009, 01:04 PM
46 flagged to make the team
last 7 spots to 7 most impressive in offseason not on list of 46
next 8 most impressive on practice squad
cut the rest

you have Dressen as questionable? i am lead to believe through one of the interviews given by Rick Smith that, unless an injury takes place, Houston is poised to bring 4 TE's onto the final roster. Dressen provides versatility in 2 TE sets, which Shanny has said we'll being seeing more of this year. unlike the two rookies, who each specialize in one part of the position, Dressen is good at both which will keep the D guessing on said 2 TE sets.

the other thing is that as long as Chris Brown stays healthy i don't see him being beat out by a rookie. and, IF he stays healthy through TC and the preseason the FO will take the chance strictly based on his talent and Foster will be put on PS.

J. Sean Wonton
06-24-2009, 01:30 PM
you have Dressen as questionable? i am lead to believe through one of the interviews given by Rick Smith that, unless an injury takes place, Houston is poised to bring 4 TE's onto the final roster. Dressen provides versatility in 2 TE sets, which Shanny has said we'll being seeing more of this year. unlike the two rookies, who each specialize in one part of the position, Dressen is good at both which will keep the D guessing on said 2 TE sets.

the other thing is that as long as Chris Brown stays healthy i don't see him being beat out by a rookie. and, IF he stays healthy through TC and the preseason the FO will take the chance strictly based on his talent and Foster will be put on PS.

Yeah, you're probably right.

I would like to get rid of Brown for some reason. Maybe because he didn't do anything at all last year, but I liked him when he first started in the league.

As far as Dreessen, I'm sure he would make the team, and you make good points. I just think it's silly to have so many tight ends. Obviously, we want OD. Hill is replacing Bruener, and Casey is :superman: or something. We lost dude from Denver in the past, and I was surprised. I'm guessing we might do without Dreessen. But, he could surely be among the seven most impressive.

Killer Bee
06-24-2009, 02:02 PM
Does anybody know about the signing of Adrian Jones? I don’t know anything about him. Is he just camp fodder or will he push for a spot? Official site shows him at 6’4 296 lbs with 6 years experience.

V3rm0nt3r
06-24-2009, 03:21 PM
Does anybody know about the signing of Adrian Jones? I don’t know anything about him. Is he just camp fodder or will he push for a spot? Official site shows him at 6’4 296 lbs with 6 years experience.

looks like he started most of last year but he was in KC so i'm not sure how much confidence that gives me. probably looking to replace Studdard or at least push him while getting a possible backup swing tackle behind Butler. thats just a guess though. from the pics on the texans website it looks like he played some tackle in NY with his stint with the Jets and was moved around a bit when he got in KC.

Killer Bee
06-24-2009, 03:56 PM
Yeah, I figured he’s coming for Studdard’s spot, but if he can play tackle, that’s just icing on the cake. This would give us tremendous flexibility with Butler as our swing tackle, Caldwell’s versatility in the middle, coupled with Adrian’s ability at guard and possibly tackle.

dalemurphy
06-24-2009, 05:31 PM
Yeah, I figured he’s coming for Studdard’s spot, but if he can play tackle, that’s just icing on the cake. This would give us tremendous flexibility with Butler as our swing tackle, Caldwell’s versatility in the middle, coupled with Adrian’s ability at guard and possibly tackle.

It would make my summer if Studdard was cut. A quality football team has absolutely no business with a player like Kasey Studdard on the roster barring a set of unforeseen circumstances- like what happened to the Jacksonville oline with injuries and shootings last season.

Texan JBZ
06-24-2009, 05:38 PM
Offense

QB 3
Matt Schaub
Dan Orlovsky
Rex Grossman

WR 4
Andre Johnson
Kevin Walter
Andre Davis
David Anderson

RB 3
Steve Slaton
Ryan Moats
Arian Foster

OL 7
Chester Pitts
Eric Winston
Duane Brown
Mike Brisiel
Chris Myers
Antoine Caldwell
Rashad Butler

FB 1
Vonta Leach

TE 3
Owen Daniels
Anthony Hill
James Casey

Defense

DL 8
Mario Williams
Antonio Smith
Amobi Okoye
Connor Barwin
Tim Bulman
DelJuan Robinson
Shaun Cody
Frank Okam

LB 6
DeMeco Ryans
Bryan Cushing
Xavier Adibi
Kevin Bentley
Zac Diles
Cato June

CB 5
Dunta Robinson
Jacques Reeves
Fred Bennett
Antwaun Molden
Glover Quin

S 4
Eugene Wilson
Nick Ferguson
Dominique Barber
Brandon Harrison

Special Teams 2

Kris Brown (K)
Matt Turk (P)

46 flagged to make the team
last 7 spots to 7 most impressive in offseason not on list of 46
next 8 most impressive on practice squad
cut the rest

1) Jacoby Jones
2) Joel Dressen
3) Troy Nolan
4) Brice McCain
5) Travis Johnson (unfortunately)
6) Chris Brown
7) Another Guard

Playoff bound
06-24-2009, 05:51 PM
1) Jacoby Jones
2) Joel Dressen
3) Troy Nolan
4) Brice McCain
5) Travis Johnson (unfortunately)
6) Chris Brown
7) Another Guard

I fully expect dressen to make this team in the same capacity as he was in last year as a backup to OD. I hope we keep Travis Johnson as this is a contract year for him and he is still the second best DT on the team despite whatever our personal opinions on him might be. I hope Chris Brown can stay healthy and make this football team, but the odds are that he will get injured again and and join Batman on the street. There is no way that we quit on JJ after two seasons as an electrifying special teamer. He has his problems and our depth at widereciever won't help his cause, but his big play ability will be too enticing to turn down, JMO.