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CloakNNNdagger
06-22-2009, 06:41 PM
The article speaks of Adibi's 20# weight gain and the LB competition. But the point that stands out most to me is:

Two things that should benefit all the linebackers: A healthy Amobi Okoye at defensive tackle and the addition of veteran lineman Antonio Smith, who will start at end but could kick inside in certain situations.

"Sometimes a linebacker is only as good as his D tackles," Adibi said. "They're keeping blocks off you, they are shooting upfield, they are penetrating, they are causing havoc and that just lets the linebackers roam and make plays."

LINK (http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nflnation/0-8-168/Bulked-up-Adibi-fighting-for-third-linebacker-spot.html)

alphajoker
06-22-2009, 07:10 PM
[QUOTE]"With Adibi and Zach and Cato, we're as strong at that position as we've been since I've been here," coach Gary Kubiak said.

"That position group will have a heck of a battle this training camp," GM Rick Smith said. "That's one I'm looking forward to watching."[/QUOTE

It will be an interesting camp to see who comes out as the starting weakside linebacker. Regardless, I feel that we'll have enough depth for once that if anything should happen, anyone of these guys could step up and contribute.

Aaron
06-22-2009, 08:14 PM
Right now I'm giving the slight edge to Adibi. Though Diles is better against the run, Xavier's speed and coverage ability makes him more of a prototypical WILL. Awhile back Kubes said that Adibi hasn't seemed to lose any speed even after putting on the weight. It will be interesting to see how it all shakes out...

JB
06-22-2009, 08:30 PM
I beleive that Adibi will win out with June backing him up and Diles backing up Cushing and Bently backing up Ryans.
Wow, what a strong LB group this can be if the DT's can do their job.

dalemurphy
06-22-2009, 08:39 PM
I beleive that Adibi will win out with June backing him up and Diles backing up Cushing and Bently backing up Ryans.
Wow, what a strong LB group this can be if the DT's can do their job.

The best case scenario for this team is that Cato June doesn't make the team...

Hopefully, Adibi wins the job at WLB. and, Bentley, Diles, Chaun Thompson as the backups. People have forgotten about Thompson. But, he's very good on ST, is a perfect fit at SLB, can also play RDE on passing downs, and is still quite young and athletic.

NitroGSXR
06-22-2009, 08:47 PM
The best case scenario for this team is that Cato June doesn't make the team...

Hopefully, Adibi wins the job at WLB. and, Bentley, Diles, Chaun Thompson as the backups. People have forgotten about Thompson. But, he's very good on ST, is a perfect fit at SLB, can also play RDE on passing downs, and is still quite young and athletic.

Why? I don't understand? June would be the one who has the most experience. We need veterans to help our rookies get into their groove. We don't want to be TOO young do we?

I have not forgotten about Chaun Thompson. Not at all. Adibi had injury issues last season and now he's hulked up... I'll be biting my tongue hoping he doesn't tear a muscle. Then we've got Diles coming off a bad injury. As far as I know... June's body is as solid as they come.

dalemurphy
06-23-2009, 06:22 AM
Why? I don't understand? June would be the one who has the most experience. We need veterans to help our rookies get into their groove. We don't want to be TOO young do we?

I have not forgotten about Chaun Thompson. Not at all. Adibi had injury issues last season and now he's hulked up... I'll be biting my tongue hoping he doesn't tear a muscle. Then we've got Diles coming off a bad injury. As far as I know... June's body is as solid as they come.

June is undersized, past his prime, and pretty poor against the run. My point is that it is better for this organization if Adibi can win the starting job at WLB.... he's young and very talented. Also, Diles is much more physical than June and has proven he can play at a pretty high level. So, it's good for the team if he's health and can be counted on. Bentley diversity and ST play is very valuable. I thought the guy played excellent football last season and he's still pretty young. Chaun Thompson weights 255 LBs, can cover or rush the passer and is 28 years old with experience with his hand down and at multiple LB positions. If he's healthy and can win a roster spot, he is an ideal fit as Cushing's backup at SLB.

I'm very happy that June is on this team. He provides excellent depth. But, I just think the ideal scenario for this team is for Adibi, Diles, and Thompson to step up and win roster spots in a very competitive preseason situation and for DRyans, Cushing, and Bentley to remain healthy through the preseason. If all that happens, then June won't make the team. It should be noted that Thompson and Bentley are both very good special team players that are also more versatile LBs. So, as backups, I think they provide better depth.

Kaiser Toro
06-23-2009, 07:45 AM
Cato June is 7 months older than Chaun Thompson and one month older than Bentlley, and he played Safety in college.

dalemurphy
06-23-2009, 08:53 AM
Cato June is 7 months older than Chaun Thompson and one month older than Bentlley, and he played Safety in college.

Playing safety in college has little to do with his versatility in the NFL. He won't be playing safety for us. June isn't old but he's past his prime as a result of playing so many games close to the LOS at his size. Bentley and Thompson have much less wear on their bodies. Bentley can play all three LB positions and is a ST leader. Thompson is the only LB on this roster that can play SLB the way Cushing will. Also, he can line up at RDE on passing downs and also is good on ST. June, essentially, is a sure tackler and a guy that makes good drops in the passing game. If Adibi struggles, then June becomes very valuable. But, it's my hope, that Adibi stays healthy and quickly grasps the nuances of WLB... if so, that's the best scenario for this defense. If not, June is a good fallback.

Kaiser Toro
06-23-2009, 08:55 AM
Playing safety in college has little to do with his versatility in the NFL. He won't be playing safety for us. June isn't old but he's past his prime as a result of playing so many games close to the LOS at his size. Bentley and Thompson have much less wear on their bodies. Bentley can play all three LB positions and is a ST leader. Thompson is the only LB on this roster that can play SLB the way Cushing will. Also, he can line up at RDE on passing downs and also is good on ST. June, essentially, is a sure tackler and a guy that makes good drops in the passing game. If Adibi struggles, then June becomes very valuable. But, it's my hope, that Adibi stays healthy and quickly grasps the nuances of WLB... if so, that's the best scenario for this defense. If not, June is a good fallback.

You are probably right, June playing Safety in College has little to do with his coverage skills at LB.

dalemurphy
06-23-2009, 09:06 AM
You are probably right, June playing Safety in College has little to do with his coverage skills at LB.

What are you talking about? I am agreeing that he's good in coverage at LB. But, since he's not good at POA, he doesn't play ST, and he can't rush the passer... I'm not sure how his playing safety in college make him a versatile NFL player.

Kaiser Toro
06-23-2009, 09:17 AM
What are you talking about? I am agreeing that he's good in coverage at LB. But, since he's not good at POA, he doesn't play ST, and he can't rush the passer... I'm not sure how his playing safety in college make him a versatile NFL player.

What I am talking about? Read your post above about June's age and where Diles has proven he can play at a high level whereas you imply June has not. With the ST changes in regard to a three man wedge, and us possibly carrying four TEs, our extra ST stud may not need to come from the LB position and afford us the luxury to have an all-pro, strong against the pass, Super Bowl starting LB where he has played most of years with the team that has owned our division.

We agree that he has to earn his spot and that we hope that Adibi wins out, but I just do not agree with your narrative on why he will not make the team.

NitroGSXR
06-23-2009, 10:36 AM
June is undersized, past his prime, and pretty poor against the run. My point is that it is better for this organization if Adibi can win the starting job at WLB.... he's young and very talented. Also, Diles is much more physical than June and has proven he can play at a pretty high level. So, it's good for the team if he's health and can be counted on. Bentley diversity and ST play is very valuable. I thought the guy played excellent football last season and he's still pretty young. Chaun Thompson weights 255 LBs, can cover or rush the passer and is 28 years old with experience with his hand down and at multiple LB positions. If he's healthy and can win a roster spot, he is an ideal fit as Cushing's backup at SLB.

I'm very happy that June is on this team. He provides excellent depth. But, I just think the ideal scenario for this team is for Adibi, Diles, and Thompson to step up and win roster spots in a very competitive preseason situation and for DRyans, Cushing, and Bentley to remain healthy through the preseason. If all that happens, then June won't make the team. It should be noted that Thompson and Bentley are both very good special team players that are also more versatile LBs. So, as backups, I think they provide better depth.
It's my understanding that June, Diles, and Adibi have been slugging it out. There is no clear cut favorite. It's probably the most exciting position battle on the team right now.

Cato June gets my nod at this point because we need fresh faces on our LBing corps. I'm not ready to jump on the Diles bandwagon once again because of his injury. Chaun Thompson does NOT have the "big game" experience that June has. June at one time was regarded the best LB in the game as per his 1st team All-Pro selection in 2005. In other words, he was an absolute leader on that team. That's somebody that I'm looking for. Our LBs were terrible last season. Terrible! Blaming it on the system or coach... I really don't buy that all that much. Sure it may be true to some degree but not to where the defense ends up near the bottom of the rankings. Talent is what we need and June HAS that talent.

It's interesting that you point out his "wear and tear" from playing so close to the line of scrimmage. It's interesting and carries some merit but it is also somewhat baseless at this point because he hasn't shown a decline. June latched onto the Colts as a result of his outstanding special teams play. In fact, he has 19 special teams tackles to go along with a forced fumble. That's a pretty good stat for such a small guy. He remained a highly intensive player on the Bucs and was an important part of getting them to have the 2nd best overall defense and the best pass defensive team in 2007. 3rd in tackles on a team with a stacked defense!

You mention is poor run defense. I don't know how to counter that outside of me wanting a smallish LB for certain plays. Especially passing plays. Maybe that'll tip our opponents off when he's in but we've got to carry a nice range of sizes in our LBing corps.

Also Cato June may have the marketablility that the Texans may be looking for in order to give him an edge in such a close battle for the starting WLB slot. He's known for his extensive charitable work. I'm psyched at the prospect of June establishing another June foundation here. His latest foundation is the June Family Foundation. He's made it a point to involve his entire family into this. I love it. I love his ideals and teaching his kid to be bigger than simply being an NFL player.

He's 29 years old. I can see him slowing down a little but he's far from being old. Since the Texans are primed for the playoffs, I've got to consider June's playoff experience. I think June is a fiery player who i'd be trying to find a slot for on my team. I love his passion. I love his agressive style of play. I'd take June over Chaun Thompson but what the hell do I know. I'm just an armchair GM.

TexansSeminole
06-23-2009, 10:59 AM
June is vastly overrated IMO.

The LBers I see on our roster are Ryans, Cushing, Adibi, Diles, Bentley, and if there is another it will be June. I think June will be more appealing than Thompson because of his experience.

I think our lineups will look like this come week 1.

SLB:
Cushing
Bentley/Diles

MLB:
Ryans
Bentley

WLB:
Adibi
Diles/Bentley

Remember Adibi had 8 interceptions in college.

mussop
06-23-2009, 12:04 PM
June is vastly overrated IMO.

The LBers I see on our roster are Ryans, Cushing, Adibi, Diles, Bentley, and if there is another it will be June. I think June will be more appealing than Thompson because of his experience.

I think our lineups will look like this come week 1.

SLB:
Cushing
Bentley/Diles

MLB:
Ryans
Bentley

WLB:
Adibi
Diles/Bentley

Remember Adibi had 8 interceptions in college.

He was also an explosive pass rusher. Had he played OLB more at VT he would of had great sack numbers. I predict he will be top 2 or 3 on the team in sacks once he starts and the coaches see how fast he gets off the ball and how good he is at blitzing.

Mr teX
06-23-2009, 01:52 PM
Dude was a beast at VT...If he can stay healthy this year, he's gonna be another steal we got away with...like his fellow draft mate one Mr. Steve Slaton.

76Texan
06-23-2009, 03:57 PM
[QUOTE=TexansSeminole;1200200]June is vastly overrated IMO.

The LBers I see on our roster are Ryans, Cushing, Adibi, Diles, Bentley, and if there is another it will be June. I think June will be more appealing than Thompson because of his experience.
[QUOTE]
I don't think June has been overrated.
He had a good year in 05 and was selected to the Pro-Bowl.

But nobody is saying he's all that now.
Still, he has a lot of experience and was not poor in run defense.
Nor was he spectacular by any stretch of imagination.

The Bucs played it in such a way to funnel the play to the other two LBs.
June was rarely asked to chase the running back, mostly to cover him out of the backfield (besides the TEs and an occasional WR) or to set the edge by holding up the blocker (either a DE or a TE.)

76Texan
06-23-2009, 03:58 PM
Dude was a beast at VT...If he can stay healthy this year, he's gonna be another steal we got away with...like his fellow draft mate one Mr. Steve Slaton.

In my book, he was already a steal when we first drafted him.

barrett
06-23-2009, 06:16 PM
agreed. I remember thinking the same thing. I remember the anal-ists having the same response when we got Demeco. I expect Adibi and Demeco and Cushing to be a very nice trio with Diles as depth for a long time.

Polo
06-23-2009, 06:52 PM
I don't think June will make the team. I think Adibi will win the Job, and I think Diles will be the primary back-up for all three positions.

barrett
06-23-2009, 06:53 PM
yup.

NitroGSXR
06-23-2009, 11:35 PM
I just want to clarify a little bit. I think I'd like for Adibi to win the job with June backing him up. I want June's experience rather than his play.

Jeff Posey had one INT in 2002.
No Texan LB had an INT in 2003.
Kailee Wong had 3 INTS and Antwan Peek had one making 4 INTs in 2004.
Troy Evans had one INT in 2005.
Morlon Greenwood and DeMeco Ryans had one INT each making 2 INTs in 2006.
Danny Clark, Greenwood and Ryans all had one INT each in 2007.
Zach Diles had one INT in 2008.

If I did this correctly... Our entire LBing corps has accmulated a total of 12 interceptions in our entire history of 7 years.

Cato June has 12 interceptions all by himself in the same 7 years. I'm really excited about June and I hope he makes the team as a backup. I think Adibi is the future of this team but June is exactly what Adibi needs to become. A ballhawking LB. I want him showing Adibi the ropes.

I really don't understand why some of you think June's overrated. He's a coaches' player. He plays for the team, not Cato June but the team.

Lucky
06-24-2009, 12:42 AM
If I did this correctly... Our entire LBing corps has accmulated a total of 12 interceptions in our entire history of 7 years.

Cato June has 12 interceptions all by himself in the same 7 years.
:goodpost:

Me likey numbers.

Polo
06-24-2009, 05:03 PM
I just want to clarify a little bit. I think I'd like for Adibi to win the job with June backing him up. I want June's experience rather than his play.

Jeff Posey had one INT in 2002.
No Texan LB had an INT in 2003.
Kailee Wong had 3 INTS and Antwan Peek had one making 4 INTs in 2004.
Troy Evans had one INT in 2005.
Morlon Greenwood and DeMeco Ryans had one INT each making 2 INTs in 2006.
Danny Clark, Greenwood and Ryans all had one INT each in 2007.
Zach Diles had one INT in 2008.

If I did this correctly... Our entire LBing corps has accmulated a total of 12 interceptions in our entire history of 7 years.

Cato June has 12 interceptions all by himself in the same 7 years. I'm really excited about June and I hope he makes the team as a backup. I think Adibi is the future of this team but June is exactly what Adibi needs to become. A ballhawking LB. I want him showing Adibi the ropes.

I really don't understand why some of you think June's overrated. He's a coaches' player. He plays for the team, not Cato June but the team.

I don't think June will make it if he does not show a lot in pre-season, his past stats be damned...

If June is not a starter he will need to play special teams. If Diles is Adibi's primary back-up (which I think he will be) then June really doen't have a niche.

I know it's not the same, but Roosevelt colvin and Ahman Green, Ron Dayne, ect, ect had better stats than some of the younger guys they were competing against at their respective positions as well...

Even if June makes the team (with all his past glory) there is no guarantee that he will be able to put it to use if A) he is not a starter and B) he isn't a primary back-up.

Me putting all these factors together means June will have to have a hell of a pre-season (much better than Diles/others) if he wants to make it...JMO...

infantrycak
07-10-2009, 11:43 AM
Couple of interesting tidbits from the newest Adibi article - Link (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=5366)

Adibi has gained about 20 pounds since last season, and teammates have said he looks like he weighs 240. Adibi also has gotten himself into the best shape of his life, thanks to an intense workout program designed by head strength and conditioning coach Ray Wright.

"It's totally different from last year," Adibi said. "Last year, it was more about maintaining, but lifting with Ray has helped me out so much. I was in very good shape going into OTAs, and I know I am going to be in very good shape going into training camp."

We knew about the weight gain, I just thought it was interesting on the Ray Wright comment. Some folks around here commented on the Wright and Bush promotions as if they meant no difference since they were already part of the team. Looks like a different philosophy.

Adibi's quickness makes him a perfect fit for defensive coordinator Frank Bush's defense, which is predicated on the linebackers shooting the gaps and flying around to make plays.

"It is going to be more of an attacking defense," Adibi said. "Frank Bush installed it during OTAs; you can already tell what he is going to bring to the table this year. We are going to fly around and be more of an attacking defense. We are going to be playing a lot faster than we were in the past.

"That suits my game a whole lot. That's how I was in college, and that's the way our defense was in college. We are going to be an eight-man front and force the offense to do what we want them to do, which is go through the air. Then, we can just pin our ears back and blitz and do what we do best."

Similar observation plus the last part is interesting.

HOU-TEX
07-10-2009, 11:51 AM
"We are going to be an eight-man front and force the offense to do what we want them to do, which is go through the air. Then, we can just pin our ears back and blitz and do what we do best."

I sure hope this scheme works. In the past, when we "pinned our ears back" nobody got there except MW on occasion.

"Do what we do best"? *Ahem*.....X, I like you man, but I'll wait to see it on the field.

76Texan
07-10-2009, 03:25 PM
I sure hope this scheme works. In the past, when we "pinned our ears back" nobody got there except MW on occasion.

"Do what we do best"? *Ahem*.....X, I like you man, but I'll wait to see it on the field.

I've been rewatching up to the MNF game, and the announcers were liking Adibi much.

It was a total different team with Adibi, Ryans, and Bentley together (instead of Greenwood and Diles).

Plus Wilson and Ferguson.

And Dunta also helped.
And Reeves and Bennett improving.

The new additions can only make it stronger.
I really think we can afford to play more agressive now.

NitroGSXR
07-11-2009, 04:01 PM
I sure hope this scheme works. In the past, when we "pinned our ears back" nobody got there except MW on occasion.

"Do what we do best"? *Ahem*.....X, I like you man, but I'll wait to see it on the field.

I think he's referring to what he did back in college more than anything else. It's what he thinks he does best which is pass coverage. Adibi had 8 INTs at VA Tech. Pin my ears back and scope the field for loose passes. That's what I'm translating from his comment.

*Note: Error in my posting of June's numbers earlier in this thread. I stated that he had 12 INTs in 7 years. My bad. 12 in 6 years. June's now entering his 7th season.

I do admit that I've heard less and less of Cato June and more of Zac Diles although I'm still gunning for a Adibi/June rotation. I sure am ready for some flashy takeaways this season, I'll tell you that.

TimeKiller
07-11-2009, 04:14 PM
I think June is good to go for the season, as a backup but also a plan B as Adibi didn't prove beyond doubt he is capable of playing all 16 games. I expect Bentley and Diles to round out depth, Chaun Thompson unfortunately doesn't make the cut unless they have room for him to be a special teams guy.

barrett
07-11-2009, 07:42 PM
infantry,

I guess I interpreted the "8 man front" comment to Adibi still talking about what he did in college. I thought he said "we were an..." not "we're going to be an..."

...


god the offseason is slow.

NitroGSXR
07-11-2009, 07:55 PM
infantry,

I guess I interpreted the "8 man front" comment to Adibi still talking about what he did in college. I thought he said "we were an..." not "we're going to be an..."

...


god the offseason is slow.

What do you think he did best in college? Seems to me like he was a jack of all trades for a LB. A blitzing, intercepting machine. Not even going to put in his tackles into the equation. He had a ton for a loss but let's stick with what I know for now and that's 16.5 sacks/10 and 8 INTs for Xavier Adibi at VA Tech.

Once again, I think he really is better suited for pass coverage. Other LBs pressure the line while he backs out ready to hawk a poorly thrown pass caused by the front 8. Front 8 does sound like a bit much though. We've got 4 at the line and 3 in the middle. I'm thinking the safeties stay out back in a zone scheme and the corners blitz along with everyone else with Adibi/June scanning the skies for a brown turd floating.

I really like turnovers caused by the defense. You can be a really bad team but if you're causing turnovers your chances of being a cinderella playoff team significantly go up. Look at the Bears and Ravens when they went to the SB.

barrett
07-11-2009, 08:21 PM
I don't know enough about him in college to have a valid opinion. What film I saw he seemed to be very aggressive and very quick. I think this system will suit him.

76Texan
07-11-2009, 08:36 PM
What do you think he did best in college? Seems to me like he was a jack of all trades for a LB. A blitzing, intercepting machine. Not even going to put in his tackles into the equation. He had a ton for a loss but let's stick with what I know for now and that's 16.5 sacks/10 and 8 INTs for Xavier Adibi at VA Tech.

Once again, I think he really is better suited for pass coverage. Other LBs pressure the line while he backs out ready to hawk a poorly thrown pass caused by the front 8. Front 8 does sound like a bit much though. We've got 4 at the line and 3 in the middle. I'm thinking the safeties stay out back in a zone scheme and the corners blitz along with everyone else with Adibi/June scanning the skies for a brown turd floating.

I really like turnovers caused by the defense. You can be a really bad team but if you're causing turnovers your chances of being a cinderella playoff team significantly go up. Look at the Bears and Ravens when they went to the SB.We do have an 8-man front even from the KC game of the previous year. When Jason Simmons was still healthy, they would bring him up to the line to set one edge, or to key on the RB or the TE, or to threaten blitz.
Sometimes even with 3 WRs on the line plus the TE.
(That means one-on-one all around for the DBs.)

We did that some with Ferguson last year.
Once in a long while, we'll bring Wilson up for a change.
We even have 9 men in the box once in a while.

My thinking is that they will continue to use Adibi as they did last year.
Blitz some, fill the gaps some, drop into coverage some.
He's good at all those things last year and also in college.

NitroGSXR
07-11-2009, 08:44 PM
I don't know enough about him in college to have a valid opinion. What film I saw he seemed to be very aggressive and very quick. I think this system will suit him.

He was a joy to watch back during his days at VA Tech. He had such knack for finding the ball and stopping its movement. He was all over the field. Such a joy to watch!

steelbtexan
07-11-2009, 09:29 PM
The 3 backup LB's are Diles,Bentley and June. IMO

I value ST alot and the best 3 ST LB's are Thompson, Diles and Bentley. In that order.

This is why I would play Quin some at SS and see if he can handle it.

If he can I would carry Ferguson,Wilson Barber and Quin since Quin can play CB-S.

This would allow an extra roster spot to carry 7 LB's (Thompson) and have a great ST core. The ST would look something like this

Bentley, Casey, Caldwell, Del.Robinson, Hill, Thompson, Dressen

Diles,Barber, Molden and Anderson

This would make one of the best ST coverage units in the NFL. IMO

It's entirely possible Kubes goes this way because he places a high value on ST. (See Harry Williams)

76Texan
07-11-2009, 11:18 PM
The 3 backup LB's are Diles,Bentley and June. IMO

I value ST alot and the best 3 ST LB's are Thompson, Diles and Bentley. In that order.

This is why I would play Quin some at SS and see if he can handle it.

If he can I would carry Ferguson,Wilson Barber and Quin since Quin can play CB-S.

This would allow an extra roster spot to carry 7 LB's (Thompson) and have a great ST core. The ST would look something like this

Bentley, Casey, Caldwell, Del.Robinson, Hill, Thompson, Dressen

Diles,Barber, Molden and Anderson

This would make one of the best ST coverage units in the NFL. IMO

It's entirely possible Kubes goes this way because he places a high value on ST. (See Harry Williams)
How did we normally line up on ST, I wonder?

infantrycak
07-12-2009, 08:56 AM
infantry,

I guess I interpreted the "8 man front" comment to Adibi still talking about what he did in college. I thought he said "we were an..." not "we're going to be an..."

...


god the offseason is slow.

I don't see where this college interpretation comes from. His statement starts, "we are going to be..." We today would be the Texans and "are going to be" is a future statement not a past reference.

TexansSeminole
07-12-2009, 11:04 AM
I don't see where this college interpretation comes from. His statement starts, "we are going to be..." We today would be the Texans and "are going to be" is a future statement not a past reference.

I see where the interpretation comes from. I heard it the same way barrett did.

Adibi "We are going to be playing alot faster than we were in the past."

Brooke: "How does this suit your game, your a pretty fast player."

Adibi: "It suits my game a whole lot, that's how I was in college. That's the way our defense was in college. You know, we were going to be an 8 man front, you know, force the offense to do what we wanted them to do, which is just go to the air, then we could just pin our ears back, blitz and just do what we do best."

He is talking about what they did in college for sure. "We were going to" is a past reference, not a future statement.

It's too bad they mis-interpreted his statement in the article (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=5366) and wrote it as "we are" rather than "we were" because it will confuse alot of people, especially people who can't listen to the video like Nitro. Brooke Bentley didn't do a very good job of reporting here. She even highlighted the misinterpretation.

The past tense is compounded in the next sentence when he says "force the offense to do what we wanted them to do". If he was making a future statement he wouldn't be saying wanted, he would have said want. He then says "we could do..." in the sentence after that one. Again he would have said "can", not "could", if he was talking about the future.

infantrycak
07-12-2009, 11:30 AM
I see where the interpretation comes from. I heard it the same way barrett did.

Adibi "We are going to be playing alot faster than we were in the past."

Brooke: "How does this suit your game, your a pretty fast player."

Adibi: "It suits my game a whole lot, that's how I was in college. That's the way our defense was in college. You know, we were going to be an 8 man front, you know, force the offense to do what we wanted them to do, which is just go to the air, then we could just pin our ears back, blitz and just do what we do best."

He is talking about what they did in college for sure. "We were going to" is a past reference, not a future statement.

Where are you getting this transcription from? If it is from listening to the video on the the same page then I beg to differ and he said "are" there as well. The whole exchange makes no sense as y'all are interpreting it as a response to that series of questions for which the underlying purpose was to describe what Frank Bush's new defense is going to be like.

The basic exchange is:

What is Frank Bush's defense going to be like?

It (that would be Bush's new defense) is going to be an attacking defense.

How does that (that would still be Bush's new defense) suit your game.

Great because that's how I played in college. We (that would be the Texans) are (in the future)...

Interpreting that admittedly not 100% clear are/were soundbite, although I think it sounds like are, as are also doesn't fit with the next sentence. There is no doubt in the next sentence he says can not could as you have inserted. Were makes zero sense with the can in the next sentence while are makes perfect sense with the next sentence and the topic of the conversation.

TexansSeminole
07-12-2009, 11:32 AM
Where are you getting this transcription from?

From watching the video. The quote as Brooke Bentley wrote it is incorrect.

Go back and watch the video, it's pretty easy to hear what he said.

Here (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=5366)'s the article, with the video.

NitroGSXR
07-12-2009, 11:45 AM
I see where the interpretation comes from. I heard it the same way barrett did.

Adibi "We are going to be playing alot faster than we were in the past."

Brooke: "How does this suit your game, your a pretty fast player."

Adibi: "It suits my game a whole lot, that's how I was in college. That's the way our defense was in college. You know, we were going to be an 8 man front, you know, force the offense to do what we wanted them to do, which is just go to the air, then we could just pin our ears back, blitz and just do what we do best."

He is talking about what they did in college for sure. "We were going to" is a past reference, not a future statement.

It's too bad they mis-interpreted his statement in the article (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=5366) and wrote it as "we are" rather than "we were" because it will confuse alot of people, especially people who can't listen to the video like Nitro. Brooke Bentley didn't do a very good job of reporting here. She even highlighted the misinterpretation.

The past tense is compounded in the next sentence when he says "force the offense to do what we wanted them to do". If he was making a future statement he wouldn't be saying wanted, he would have said want. He then says "we could do..." in the sentence after that one. Again he would have said "can", not "could", if he was talking about the future.

I didn't misunderstand the article though. I've dealt with shoddy transcriptions over the course of my lifetime. One eventually learns to catch what could be incorrect. Especially Brooke's articles. I'm kinda glad she moved on elsewhere. I wouldn't think it'd be too hard to transcribe fluff pieces and that's mainly what she did. Her consistent inaccuracy in her transcriptions reeked of laziness to me.

Don't misunderstand. I appreciate the transcriptions though. I'll take it any way I can get it.

infantrycak
07-12-2009, 11:46 AM
From watching the video. The quote as Brooke Bentley wrote it is incorrect.

Go back and watch the video, it's pretty easy to hear what he said.

Here (http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=5366)'s the article, with the video.

See edited version above and it's pretty clear to me he said are, although I can see disputing that, and zero doubt he said can not could.

TexansSeminole
07-12-2009, 12:01 PM
See edited version above and it's pretty clear to me he said are, although I can see disputing that, and zero doubt he said can not could.

I've listened to it enough times this morning to know that he said "we were", "wanted", and "could", I don't need to look at a poor transcription.

infantrycak
07-12-2009, 12:06 PM
I've listened to it enough times this morning to know that he said "we were", "wanted", and "could", I don't need to look at a poor transcription.

Well we will just have to agree to disagree then because I listened to it a bunch of times and think it is very clearly correctly transcribed.

TexansSeminole
07-12-2009, 12:18 PM
Well we will just have to agree to disagree then because I listened to it a bunch of times and think it is very clearly correctly transcribed.

Guess so. It would be interesting to see how others heard it, because I am 100% certain of what I heard, you seem to be as well.

It's a pretty big difference and worth figuring out.

NitroGSXR
07-12-2009, 12:21 PM
Guess so. It would be interesting to see how others heard it, because I am 100% certain of what I heard, you seem to be as well.

It's a pretty big difference and worth figuring out.

Not really. It was just a fluff piece. The offseason's slow.

TexansSeminole
07-12-2009, 02:03 PM
Not really. It was just a fluff piece. The offseason's slow.

Well if we are going to line up in 8 man fronts pretty often next season I think that is pretty significant when you look at the limited information we have about our new defensive approach. All I know is that we look to be more aggressive and attacking while keeping practically the same scheme.

76Texan
07-12-2009, 02:06 PM
I heard what IFC heard.

Again, we were doing it (the 8-man front) quite a bit when we had the right personnel (or we thought we did).

I had brought up Jason Simmons as an example the year before.
With Simmons, we played mostly single safety.

What I think Adibi saw was that Indy game in which both teams were so concerned about the other's ability to strike deep that both played more conservative with two-deep safeties.

76Texan
07-12-2009, 02:11 PM
Well if we are going to line up in 8 man fronts pretty often next season I think that is pretty significant when you look at the limited information we have about our new defensive approach. All I know is that we look to be more aggressive and attacking while keeping practically the same scheme.

I think last year when the coaches began to feel comfortable with Adibi and Dunta (and his health status), we played more attacking 8-man front with LBs shooting the gaps.

I saw that in the Browns game and the second Jags game (which I've just started to re-review.)

edo783
07-12-2009, 02:11 PM
Good grief, are you guys majorly suffering from off season boredom or what!:spit:

76Texan
07-12-2009, 02:13 PM
Good grief, are you guys majorly suffering from off season boredom or what!:spit:

We're supposed to be watching the game right about now! http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/images/icons/icon9.gif

barrett
07-12-2009, 02:48 PM
Guess so. It would be interesting to see how others heard it, because I am 100% certain of what I heard, you seem to be as well.

It's a pretty big difference and worth figuring out.

This may be the greatest off season thread of this year!!! I watched it again cuz... uh... now it's kind of funny, I am standing pat with TS on this one. Past tense references. No question in my mind.

WHO'S WITH US?!?!?!

IF YOU'RE NOT... YOU'RE AGAINST US!!!

How did we normally line up on ST, I wonder?
continuing with some of the football talk, I watched some kickoffs and I found it very hard to see who was lined up and where because of the camera angle.

On two seperate kickoffs in GB, so far I've got Chris White, Chaun Thompson, Kevin Bentley, Morlon Greenwood, Dominique Barber, VONTA, Joel Dreesen, Jacques Reeves, Brandon Harrison, Jesse Nading, Andre Davis Demarcus Faggins Cecil Sapp, Ryan Moats and Frank Okam. Davis returning and covering.

On punts I can make out Reeves, Harrison, Bulman, Thompson, Nading, Dreesen, Faggins and Barber. Jones returning obviously.

The core guys are clearly Thompson, Bentley, Barber, Dreesen, Nading and Davis. And the others seem to switch in and out.

I'd say our ST is basically all the 2's that aren't OLinemen.

Not sure if that helps or not. But there it is.

I'll see who else I can figure out. Rewind is acting screwy.

steelbtexan
07-12-2009, 02:53 PM
This may be the greatest off season thread of this year!!! I watched it again cuz... uh... now it's kind of funny, I am standing pat with TS on this one. Past tense references. No question in my mind.

WHO'S WITH US?!?!?!

IF YOU'RE NOT... YOU'RE AGAINST US!!!


continuing with some of the football talk, I watched some kickoffs and I found it very hard to see who was lined up and where because of the camera angle.

On two seperate kickoffs in GB, so far I've got Chris White, Chaun Thompson, Kevin Bentley, Morlon Greenwood, Dominique Barber, VONTA, Joel Dreesen, Jacques Reeves, Brandon Harrison, Jesse Nading, Andre Davis Demarcus Faggins Cecil Sapp, Ryan Moats and Frank Okam. Davis returning and covering.

On punts I can make out Reeves, Harrison, Bulman, Thompson, Nading, Dreesen, Faggins and Barber. Jones returning obviously.

The core guys are clearly Thompson, Bentley, Barber, Dreesen, Nading and Davis. And the others seem to switch in and out.

I'd say our ST is basically all the 2's that aren't OLinemen.

Not sure if that helps or not. But there it is.

I'll see who else I can figure out. Rewind is acting screwy.

Thanks

I dont have any of the old games taped.

barrett
07-12-2009, 03:02 PM
you should subscribe to NFL rewind. it's $20 and you can re-watch any game from last year in HD on your computer. I got screwed and had to pay it twice but it's the best $40 I could have spent this offseason.

infantrycak
07-12-2009, 11:35 PM
Good grief, are you guys majorly suffering from off season boredom or what!:spit:

Actually it was I'm up with the 3 year old (so he is keeping me from watching the Tour de France) and nobody else in the house is up boredom. Kind of the same thing.

edo783
07-13-2009, 10:41 AM
Actually it was I'm up with the 3 year old (so he is keeping me from watching the Tour de France) and nobody else in the house is up boredom. Kind of the same thing.

Ahh the old up at 3 AM with the kids.... remember it well. Never liked it, but still remember it. Better you than me. LOL Of course now I'm up at 3 AM to take a leak and then again at 4 AM and probably at again at 5 AM. Funny how life tends to stay the same.