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pittbull
01-27-2005, 12:26 PM
I keep reading these columns about Alexander being interested in Houston or Houston in him. Would you take him and let Dom go, or take your chances with another injury plagued Davis season? :hmmm:

TexansTrueFan
01-27-2005, 12:35 PM
look at the 2 seasons davis has played, the first season he wasnt a starter until week 6 or 7 and didnt really miss much time, and this season what did he miss like 2 games. And i know he played injuried sometimes but the offensive line wasnt giving him much help in the early part of the season. Now the Davis i saw in the secong half of the season, had some nice blocking from the O-line and because of that was healthy. See i'm sure every back would get hurt if they get pounded like he was at first. so i would stick with Davis but thats just me.

TexansTrueFan
01-27-2005, 12:36 PM
and and ya have any links to this info ? I have read nothing about it !

infantrycak
01-27-2005, 12:38 PM
Why sign Alexander (who quite a few Seahawks fans won't even be sorry to see leave) to a $45+ mil contract for 5-6 years at age 27 (so signing for several years past the 30 yr old mark by several years) when you could get a 22 or 23 yr old RB at #13 for about $24 mil?

pittbull
01-27-2005, 12:40 PM
I'm willing to stick with Davis also, but we also need a back-up that is similar in style and does not hurt the flow of the offense. Holiings has been banged up and Wells is a bruising back. If Davis goes down, watch for the Texans to go down field again. This is what makes Carr good, but when Davis is in the lineup, slows it down again. I was just posing the question on Alexander!

pittbull
01-27-2005, 12:42 PM
ESPN.Com insider

TexansTrueFan
01-27-2005, 12:48 PM
yeah hollings is more of a power runner, but i think even so the zone blocking looked to be working for him as well, i saw him come in and make some pretty nice runs. I think with better protection Davis can stay heathy all season. The o-line just needs to be more consitent !

Porky
01-27-2005, 12:50 PM
Why sign Alexander (who quite a few Seahawks fans won't even be sorry to see leave) to a $45+ mil contract for 5-6 years at age 27 (so signing for several years past the 30 yr old mark by several years) when you could get a 22 or 23 yr old RB at #13 for about $24 mil?

Because Alexander is a proven commidty. He is one of the top backs in this league. If you draft a RB at #13, what assurance do you have that he will be anywhere near as good. Look at Ki-Jana Carter, Blair Thomas, Rashaan Saleem, and many others. Not only that, but if you draft a RB at #13, you have taken a pick away from another need area. If the Texans can swing a deal with Alexander, count me in for doing this alot - :jumpbanan

pittbull
01-27-2005, 12:50 PM
Alexander info was posted yesterday, but now there also talking about Rod Gardner wr, being interested in Houston. :howdy:

pittbull
01-27-2005, 12:54 PM
All have been bust lately, from PSU. Never take one, either a bust or a locker room *****. Come on, " I should be getting more playing time before.......Priest!" Larry, are you ok, will you tell us, that your ok! There's a sign in the window, that you're crazy, that you're crazy Larry!......Sorry about the MJ flashback! :coolb:

TexansTrueFan
01-27-2005, 12:56 PM
well et them be interested. Just cause they are dont mean we have to purse them. I do think we need another fast physical WR but not a RB and if so i have to agree with infantry on this one. We can bring a young guy in for alot less, plus he will just be backing Davis up anyways. Everyone sees the potential Davis has, i never saw a game where the broadcasters did praise Davis and talk about how good he will be for years to come !

hot pickle
01-27-2005, 01:14 PM
I think we should stick with davis for a season or two, then maybe go after adrian peterson in 07 or 08, but dont wanna think to far now

Porky
01-27-2005, 01:15 PM
Davis is a competent, servicible, back, but he couldn't sniff the top half dozen or so with a dogs nose. He is injury prone, and Capers wants a big back, someone capable of taking the rock 30 times a game and wearing a defense down. I don't see that in Davis. I think he would be an excellent backup, to use as a change of pace, or on 3rd downs. I could also see him being worked in as a KR. While I can't say RB is the #1 need on the team, I think most of you are way over estimating the calibur of back he is. OTOH, Alexander is arguably one of the 2-3 best RB's in the league currently. To me, this is a no brainer. If Alexander is interested, I am too if I am in the Texans shoes.

Nawzer
01-27-2005, 01:21 PM
Rod Gardener sounds good.

F-minus67
01-27-2005, 01:26 PM
I would not mind having Alexander and with that being said we probably would sign him. He is a good back but he will want to much money and does not break as many tackles as he could.

texanfan2002114
01-27-2005, 01:34 PM
ESPN.Com insider

Where did you see this posted at?? I also have an Insider subscription and look everyday and this wasn't on there.

The Rod Gardner is on there from Jan. 24th but nothing about Alexander!! Stop spreading bad rumors and list a true statement!!!

dalemurphy
01-27-2005, 01:46 PM
Davis is a competent, servicible, back, but he couldn't sniff the top half dozen or so with a dogs nose. He is injury prone, and Capers wants a big back, someone capable of taking the rock 30 times a game and wearing a defense down. I don't see that in Davis. I think he would be an excellent backup, to use as a change of pace, or on 3rd downs. I could also see him being worked in as a KR. While I can't say RB is the #1 need on the team, I think most of you are way over estimating the calibur of back he is. OTOH, Alexander is arguably one of the 2-3 best RB's in the league currently. To me, this is a no brainer. If Alexander is interested, I am too if I am in the Texans shoes.

If you've watched Alexander the past two years, you would see that he no longer runs like a big back. I'd argue that Davis is actually, at this point, a stronger interior power running than Alexander. If Dom wants a power back, he's not going to be looking at Shaun Alexander!

bckey
01-27-2005, 01:50 PM
yeah hollings is more of a power runner, but i think even so the zone blocking looked to be working for him as well, i saw him come in and make some pretty nice runs. I think with better protection Davis can stay heathy all season. The o-line just needs to be more consitent !

I can't tell what kind of runner Hollings is. He is never on the field.

Reddevil63
01-27-2005, 01:51 PM
:rofl: I cant help but think back to all of the posts between weeks 2-8 or so about how Davis doesnt have what it takes to start and the Texans should look at RB in the offseason. After ending the season on a good note, now people dont want one of the top 5 backs in the game right now.

Still I need to see something in writing before I beleive it....

Honoring Earl 34
01-27-2005, 02:12 PM
:howdy: Alexander is not exactly the kind of guy the Texans go after. To endure they need to keep on the same track and not throw big money to a free agent RB . If you asked teams who'd they take DD at the money he makes or Alexander and the money he wants (not to mention he threw a hissy about his coach stabbing him in the back) I'm not so sure they would'nt take DD. Its about balance not one player.

infantrycak
01-27-2005, 02:16 PM
now people dont want one of the top 5 backs in the game right now.

It's not a question of not wanting a top tier back, but in a cap age of balancing limited resources to build the best overall team. That's where tradeoffs of considerations like Porky's come in. Yes Alexander is a proven commodity but the sticker price for that safety net is twice the price tag, a shorter lifespan (and as dalemurhpy said, Alexander may not be slowing down yet, but he isn't as physical as he could be--hence the comment I made about some Seattle fans not being sad to see him go) and the resulting loss somewhere else from not having the extra money you spent. It's not just the money you spend on one player, it is money you can't spend on someone else. For example, IMO Kendall Bell plus Ronnie Brown or Kendrell Bell, Pac Man Jones plus David Baas would help the Texans more next year than just Alexander.

ThaShark316
01-27-2005, 02:34 PM
I wouldn't mind the Texans signing him,its just that he's gonna command ALOT of money to play anywhere,BUT he's only 27. Damn,this a crazy...I just hope the Texans don't **** the cap up. Either do two things....Keep Dom and draft like a Kay-Jay Harris or some other Power back in the draft,or get someone like an Alexander.... :heh:

Honoring Earl 34
01-27-2005, 04:05 PM
:howdy: A RBs playing career is not that long on average. So if he only has two more years its not worth it.

D-ReK
01-27-2005, 04:23 PM
I'm not sure Alexander would be an upgrade over DD considering our o-line, and at teh price he would command, IMO it would be wasted money...

Alexander would probably rush for 1100-1250 yds here, which is the same range DD is in...Until our o-line is upgraded, I say no to top tier runners...

The only Seahawk FA I'd like to see in a Texan uni is Walter Jones...

pittbull
01-27-2005, 04:29 PM
Watch what you say Texanfan200001434 whatever. I too have a subscription and it was on a side page. I spent a while today looking for it, but I wouldn't place things on the board, just to get something started! The teams they had listed for Alexander where Houston, Miami, and a possible third team. When I find the link, I'll post it!

pittbull
01-27-2005, 04:34 PM
The information about Alexander is under the fantasy section, with Mueller believing he can end up with Miami, Houston, or Tampa Bay! (Fantasy Insight: Engel's Angles: Overrated players for 2005) :hairpull:

AndreJ
01-27-2005, 05:06 PM
The information about Alexander is under the fantasy section, with Mueller believing he can end up with Miami, Houston, or Tampa Bay! (Fantasy Insight: Engel's Angles: Overrated players for 2005) :hairpull:

Hint Hint ;) Fantasy Section.

Grid
01-27-2005, 05:35 PM
Alexander is a finesse back. he is good in a system that will trick the defense and give him big holes and wide open spaces. He isnt a between the tackles back that will force his 4 ypc average.

he isnt what we need.. the only way we would take him is if he came cheap.. and he wont.

we are better off using a #3 or #4 pick on another young back to start grooming. Hollings isnt gonna be here after his contract expires.. if not sooner.

Blake
01-27-2005, 05:47 PM
I keep reading these columns about Alexander being interested in Houston or Houston in him. Would you take him and let Dom go, or take your chances with another injury plagued Davis season? :hmmm:

I would take my chances with DD, and a rookie in the 3rd round.

Alexander is selfish, and I dont think he would produce in Houston like he did in seattle.

fresno8
01-27-2005, 05:53 PM
I like DD. At the midway point of the year I thought we'd need another back, but the way he played the last 6-7 games we don't need a starting back. I like Alexander, but we don't need to throw big money at him. DD had a marginal line the last 6-7 games and he put up big numbers, he didn't fumble, ran guys over and made guys miss in the open. That being said I don't think he's a 30 carry a game guy. I would like to see us draft a big back in the 3rd or 4th to help DD w/ the load. I think DD will take off w/ a better line and if he on average carries the ball between 20-25 times a game. Then we could mix in Wells (runs hard) Hollings if he's healthy or a guy we drafted. I like Wells but if we could get an upgrade over him that would be great. We'd have DD plus a power runner sharing the load. Maybe a 20/10 split or 20-15 split w/ another back on the carries. That would be great for DD and the offense. It'd keep both guys fresh and open up the passing game. We don't need a whole lot of skill guys on offense. We could use a legit #2 WR, a TE, and a bruiser at running back to split carries w/ DD. Though I'd like a legit #2 WR right now I'd like to give our guys a chance for a year to become a legit #2 WR (Gaff/Armstrong/Straling) and the only way we'll know is if our line improves. We have to fix the o-line and get a good TE. When that happens we can worry about a legit #2 WR. Though I like results fast this team is adding peices to the puzzle every year to become a contender for the long haul and the puzzle is starting to come together. Go Texans.

texanfan2002114
01-27-2005, 06:52 PM
Hint Hint ;) Fantasy Section.

Thank you AndreJ!!! This wasn't something said by the texans or alexander!!

2-DUNTA-3
01-27-2005, 07:11 PM
hey while we are in the process of signing alexander for too much money and getting a bunch of complaining about not getting enough yards in return..... we should trade our hole team away for moss... and then we could be in CAP H3LL!!!!!!!!!

lets build through the draft.... and just so you know Dominick Davis is a better running back then several who brought Super Bowls to their teams.

texanfan2002114
01-27-2005, 08:45 PM
hey while we are in the process of signing alexander for too much money and getting a bunch of complaining about not getting enough yards in return..... we should trade our hole team away for moss... and then we could be in CAP H3LL!!!!!!!!!

lets build through the draft.... and just so you know Dominick Davis is a better running back then several who brought Super Bowls to their teams.

I agree with you!!!!!!!!

dan7
01-28-2005, 09:54 AM
Another thing to consider regarding Alexander:

This year he gained close to 1,700 yards with two Pro Bowl linemen creating holes for him; I doubt he would have the same level of success with the Texans.

Wolf
01-28-2005, 10:17 AM
like all things, it would depend on the price for alexander.

While DD is the JJ moses of runningbacks.. solid ,but not spectacular. Actually at a skill position, teams want solid as in 3rd down backs, and spectacular as everyday backs. Spectacular backs IMO are ones that can take it to pay dirt anytime they touch the ball, and they dictate to a defense on what they (the defense) does. Right now defenses dictate what our offense does and that is keep the ball out of AJ's hands and make Carr dump down to DD..

With that said.. To me Rb is not our top need right now, but it wouldn't hurt to upgrade the positon

Beastlyman2003
01-28-2005, 04:35 PM
FYI Dan7, Shaun Alexander had 1,597 rushing yards, one yard shy of Curtis Martin's 1,598 rushing yards.

Texan in Japan
01-28-2005, 06:33 PM
Gosh, we're fickle! I bet a lot of teams would like to have our RB situation. Dom Davis is a great back! He is balanced, has not vision and gains tough yards. When our o-line improves, he'll only get better. I say we need to focus on our lines this year and we should be talking about Walter Jones (OT) not Shaun Alexander, if the subject is Seahawks.

Texan in Japan
01-28-2005, 06:34 PM
Sorry, I mean has "good" vision.

Reddevil63
01-28-2005, 08:06 PM
we should be talking about Walter Jones (OT) not Shaun Alexander, if the subject is Seahawks.

DING DING DING!!!!!!!

GeauxTexans
01-28-2005, 08:18 PM
Davis may not be the long term answer but Alexander is no answer at all. We do not need a "Leon" on the team, let him stay in Seattle. :loser

dan7
01-28-2005, 08:22 PM
FYI Dan7, Shaun Alexander had 1,597 rushing yards, one yard shy of Curtis Martin's 1,598 rushing yards.

I disagree.....


From the Seahawks website........

www.seahawks.com/stats.aspx?SecID=38


and from the Jets website......

www.nfl.com/teams/stats/NYJ/2004/regular

AndreJ
01-28-2005, 08:36 PM
I disagree.....


From the Seahawks website........

www.seahawks.com/stats.aspx?SecID=38


and from the Jets website......

www.nfl.com/teams/stats/NYJ/2004/regular

The team websites are never right, I have no idea where they get their numbers from either. The texans screwed up some of our stats too. Go to NFL's website and check out the stats. Those are official and yes Alexander lost the title by one yard to Curtis Martin.

Wolf
01-28-2005, 08:39 PM
all I remember is that Alexander made a statement about being mad that on the 1 yard line the seahawks did something other than give the ball to alexander which was reported cost him a share of the rushing title.

I can't remember specifics though

THE_HONKEY_TONK_KID
01-28-2005, 09:47 PM
What happened in Seatle was that in the 4th quater with about 6 minutes left and on the goalline, instead of going and giving Alxander the ball and let him tie Curtis Martin, the Seahawks went with a Matt Hasselback QB sneak, witch gave them the TD and the game to win the NFC West. Remember this was with 6 minutes left..........Holmgren (sp I know) thought that they would get the ball back and let Alexander get the title. The Falcons ended up using all the clock.

I don't understand why we would bring in Alexander......we have DD who has, in some games, been over 60% of our offense, both rushing and catching the football. He don't have that much money to spend.........Alexander would cost us a foot and an arm. We have a lot more pressing needs to tend to right now. Signing Alexander could be the worst thing to happen to us this offseason. Sign a guy who might not get more than 1,300 yards, and not improve anywhere else by signing some FA and letting be the draft be our only upgrades.........it would be a disaster for the 2005 season and our future.

D-ReK
01-28-2005, 10:05 PM
we have DD who has, in some games, been over 60% of our offense, both rushing and catching the football

That's not necessarily a good thing, I believe Fiddy has the specifics, but when DD is the focal point of our offense our win% is significantly less...Just thought I'd add that...

AndreJ
01-28-2005, 10:40 PM
That's not necessarily a good thing, I believe Fiddy has the specifics, but when DD is the focal point of our offense our win% is significantly less...Just though I'd add that...

Oh please lets not bring up the empty yards theory again. Just because the rest of the team couldn't step it we loss. The fact that DD had a good percentage of our offense and we loss doesn't mean jack squat.

Vinny
01-28-2005, 10:43 PM
I like Alexander and think we would be a better team if we signed him. He is very durable and very consistant. So far Dom has shown he can play at a high level only when 100% healthy....and if you are a RB in the NFL that is not going to happen all the time. I don't look for us to sign Alexander though, because I think we draft a back in the 3rd or 4th round and we pursue a WR or interior player instead of a back in FA. This is a decent year for backs in the draft.

dan7
01-29-2005, 09:47 AM
The team websites are never right, I have no idea where they get their numbers from either. The texans screwed up some of our stats too. Go to NFL's website and check out the stats. Those are official and yes Alexander lost the title by one yard to Curtis Martin.


From the NFL website:

www.nfl.com/stats/2004/regular

I rest my case......

THE_HONKEY_TONK_KID
01-29-2005, 10:18 PM
I'm not saying that Alexander wouldn't be an improvment, but what I am saying is that before we sign him, I want to see what the Cap situation is. From what I have heard, we don't have enough money to and sign a whole lot of big time FA's.......We have 8 draft picks to sign this year and I want to bring in some decent FA's for the next couple of years. I don't want to get to a point where in two years we are restructing everybodys contracts and we are not able to sign anybody.

Besides what would we do with DD? Trade him? Let him sent on the bench?

I'm not so sure they don't Franchise Alexander.......they have been franchising Jones for the past couple of years, and I have heard that Hasselbeck doesn't sit in to well with Homlgren. He has been inconsistant. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they let those two walk and maybe even trade Koren Robinson.

Supertex
01-30-2005, 04:33 PM
Domanick is a very good running back. Not only does he run well but he makes receptions for 60% of our first downs. Alexander is a waste of money. He had a good season but only because the team he had. Stick him here and he wont do ****. Now as far as a backup RB I'd go with maurice clarett who is coming off his suspension. He graduated college but got suspended 1 yr from the NFL for drugs abuse back in the day and so he will be here this year and will be cheap and runs like a champ. First however we need to work on the line, TE, and maybe another WR

Dime
01-30-2005, 05:09 PM
Why are we even talking about this. Alexander has no wish to come to Houston, his wish was to go to Miami. He was in hot water about filling in that position down there because he stated it publicly. Needless to say, Seahawks fans were not pleased. They have a huge cap problem coming up because even though they are like 24 million under cap, they have to huge names to sign right now and resign . One of those names is Hassleback, there are some big named others as well. He might get signed back by Seattle, but they will have to really offer him cash, and i dont think he will do it. Miami is where he is looking and we dont have the cap ourselves to sign him.

THE_HONKEY_TONK_KID
01-30-2005, 09:30 PM
I thought Miami was lookin to trade for Travis Henry?

pv1999
01-30-2005, 09:48 PM
And just exactly HOW is Alexander going to help us?
Does he give us a solid running game? Or do we already have one? Does he give us a recieving threat out of the back field? OOPS got one of those too. Championship experience? No. Lockeroom Leadership? No. I'm not trying to be funny but I don't see where that would be good money spent considering our other needs.

Chawky1
01-31-2005, 11:48 AM
Nothing against your team, who I happen to enjoy watching, BUT he wants to play for a powerhouse and preferably on the east coast, and a major televised market. It just won't happen...bank on it. Your O-line and offense as a whole are not good enough...he wants to be THE star on a team full of stars who can win it all now. His priorities are:

1) MONEY
2) Fame / Limelight <- East coast teams
3) Run oriented O with good O-line ...

He runs no where near as hard as he should...he only runs hard in the red zone. He wants to be on the Monday night game, Sunday night game, or at least be the nationally televised game most Sundays. He plays for Shaun, not for the team. He is not a vocal annoying team cancer like many players, but he is only out for Shaun. I watched every single Hawks game for the last three years and will not be sorry to see him go. And given the state of your offense and line, he would not have anywhere near the production. He will not take a hit, and he slides a lot. If you added up all the times he dropped to avoid a hit he would have won the rushing title by at least a hundred yards.

- The Hawks OL is vastly superior to the Texans
- You have the better individual WR in AJ, but the Hawks win in overall depth with D Jack, K Rob, Engram, and Rice being much better than your top four. This takes pressure of the running game giving Shaun more openings.
- Hawks TE's are better...blocking and receiving
- Mack Strong is one of the top 3 blocking FB's in the league
- Hass is better than Carr at this point, though I think Carr will be better in the end..possibly overtaking Matt next year depending on your OL and weapons.

In summary...it just won't happen....bank on it.

Reddevil63
01-31-2005, 12:07 PM
D Jack, K Rob,

Nothing personal Im just using you as an example...

Who started this annoying trend? D Jack, K Rob, T Mac, D Rob, K Mart (ok that one is pretty funny) :hmmm:

Chawky1
01-31-2005, 12:09 PM
Nothing personal Im just using you as an example...

Who started this annoying trend? D Jack, K Rob, T Mac, D Rob, K Mart (ok that one is pretty funny) :hmmm:

That is actually a good question...I just use it out of laziness, don't feel like typing out full names. Someone on the Seahawks message boards has something to the effect of ....

If Darrel Jackson is D-Jack, and Koren Robinson is K-Rob, what does that make Antonio Cochran? Heh..that always amuses me.

Oilers/Texans
01-31-2005, 05:14 PM
Domanick Davis is the man in Houston, as far as running backs go. Why is it that people don't like him? I don't understand.

aj.
01-31-2005, 05:52 PM
Gary Brown was the man in Houston too for a while. But that doesn't mean there's not another Eddie George out there.

infantrycak
01-31-2005, 08:50 PM
because he doesn't have break away speed-he broke one big one for a TD against the Titans.(they let us have)

Yeah and Portis does have breakaway speed. Both had 5 runs over 20 yards this year. And BS on the Titans let DD have that one. Fisher said it wasn't true.

he has not proven to be durable(injuries)/his size.

Durability is a concern, but size has nothing to do with it. DD is not in any way a small NFL back

You dont know which DD is going to be playing each game.(sometimes he hits the hole hard, sometimes he doesn't)

Or maybe you don't know which OL is going to show up. Try looking at the 180 switch in pass and run blocking from the 1st half of the season to the 2nd half.

The fumbles! He rushed for over 1,000 but so did James Allen at one point.
Maybe thats why people want a big name RB in here?

DD had 4 fumbles on the year. At this point he is going on something like 250 carries without a fumble which is undoubtedly one of the longer active streaks. Of the RB's above him in terms of yards last season, only two had less fumbles, Martin with 2 (who fails miserably on your breakaway speed test) and Fred Taylor with 3 (who fails the durability test).

Can DD be improved upon?--absolutely. But RB is about 7th or lower on the needs list. Bet when training camp gets here DD is the lead back with a rookie big back coming in to share time.

Wolf
01-31-2005, 10:48 PM
Domanick Davis is the man in Houston, as far as running backs go. Why is it that people don't like him? I don't understand.


It isn't that people don't like DD,but if you listed the top 15 runningbacks in the league.. some would have him and some wouldn't. and as far as top 10 runningbacks... it is tough to crack that one..

DD is a solid RB, no doubt about that.. but not a gamebreaker that teams need.. Defenses don't sweat DD carrying the ball 20+ times like they do a Preist Holmes or L.T. or even a Corey Dillan

Reddevil63
01-31-2005, 10:59 PM
That is actually a good question...I just use it out of laziness, don't feel like typing out full names. Someone on the Seahawks message boards has something to the effect of ....

If Darrel Jackson is D-Jack, and Koren Robinson is K-Rob, what does that make Antonio Cochran? Heh..that always amuses me.
:rofl: Thats awesome

Oilers/Texans
02-04-2005, 09:01 PM
Gary Brown was in fine form in 1993 with 1,002 yards in only eight games. Only problem with him was that he got bad out of shape and never found that "fine form" again.