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barrett
06-02-2009, 05:15 PM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6454428.html

We were warned that this might be coming. I noticed the texans logo on the uni's over the left pectoral area last week. This is where the AD's will be. I suppose it's a waste of energy to say I don't like it.

Go Texans I guess. ::sigh::

DiehardChris
06-02-2009, 05:19 PM
If I thought it would keep them from raising ticket/concession prices, I'd be fine with it - it's just practice jerseys... but we know that's not the case, so I'm not crazy about it.

Meh, more I think about it - it's just practice. We talkin' 'bout practice. As long as it doesn't creep to game day, meh.

Nawzer
06-02-2009, 05:44 PM
I don't care if Texans jersey have ads. on them. It's no big deal in other major sports like soccer where you have AIG pasted on the front of Man U jerseys.

barrett
06-02-2009, 05:52 PM
If I thought it would keep them from raising ticket/concession prices, I'd be fine with it - it's just practice jerseys... but we know that's not the case, so I'm not crazy about it.

Meh, more I think about it - it's just practice. We talkin' 'bout practice. As long as it doesn't creep to game day, meh.

I'm sure that's how it was with the Nazi's and Poland too. Meh, so long as it doesn't creep in to...

I don't care if Texans jersey have ads. on them. It's no big deal in other major sports like soccer where you have AIG pasted on the front of Man U jerseys.

Did you say other major sports? What other major sports?

ObsiWan
06-02-2009, 06:11 PM
Did you say other major sports? What other major sports?

Ever watch PGA/LPGA golf or NASCAR?
Every logo on those NASCAR coveralls or on those golf shirts represents corporately funded "real estate".

And, make no mistake, NASCAR and PGA golf are major sports.
:shrug:

eriadoc
06-02-2009, 08:34 PM
Ever watch PGA/LPGA golf or NASCAR?
Every logo on those NASCAR coveralls or on those golf shirts represents corporately funded "real estate".

And, make no mistake, NASCAR and PGA golf are major sports.
:shrug:

I disagree. They may be major "games", but I'm not buying sport. Anyone that claims golf is a sport can try until they're blue in the face to explain John Daly.

Besides, I knew there was a reason I didn't watch those games.

Ole Miss Texan
06-02-2009, 08:51 PM
Golf and Nascar are completely different sports than Football, Baseball and Basketball. A golfer is basically an independent contractor working for himself. For the most part, golfers main source of income can be from sponsorships. I'm not that familiar with Nascar but the advertisements are huge sources of revenue to keep the team up and running.

In football/baseball/basketball they have advertisements around the stadium as supplemental income but not on the actual player. We have this conversation every year. And while I don't think practice jerseys with an advertisement on it (outside of the team, nfl or jersey logos) are that big of deal... it's a slippery slope. Once you allow that then 5 years down the road the logos get bigger. Once the league gets used to this they analyze the impact of implementing this to preseason uniforms, after that then its regular season and before too long... they turn into soccer jerseys.

Ole Miss Texan
06-02-2009, 08:56 PM
I disagree. They may be major "games", but I'm not buying sport. Anyone that claims golf is a sport can try until they're blue in the face to explain John Daly.

Besides, I knew there was a reason I didn't watch those games.

The days of the "John Daly" type of golfers is soon to be non-existent on the PGA. Golf is slowly becoming a game/sport filled with true athletes. It may be hard to see now or believe, but within the next 10 years the majority of the top PGA professionals will be more and more like Tiger. Not in the insane golf ability sense but based on his every day practice/workout schedule. It's an extremely competive sport and Tiger's "off course" regimen has already begun to change how golfers prepare and the shape they stay in.

CloakNNNdagger
06-02-2009, 09:17 PM
I've got an even better idea. Why don't we ask the government to substitute presidents' pictures with advertising space to give some "value" to the billions of worthless bills they are printing. :mcnugget:

mexican_texan
06-02-2009, 09:21 PM
In football/baseball/basketball they have advertisements around the stadium as supplemental income but not on the actual player.

There's plenty of advertising on players already.

Quite honestly, I wouldn't have a problem with ads on game jerseys as long as they find something classier than the NFL Europe ads.

ESAD2-14
06-02-2009, 09:41 PM
This is the way anything sports related is going. Beach Volleyball players where temporary tattoos of sponsors now. Hopefully it only goes so far as practice jerseys for the NFL. However, I would not be surprised in the future to see end zones sporting corporate logos as opposed to team logos along with the uniforms.

I disagree. They may be major "games", but I'm not buying sport. Anyone that claims golf is a sport can try until they're blue in the face to explain John Daly.

Besides, I knew there was a reason I didn't watch those games.

I'm with you on this, I know golf is challenging in it's own way, but any activity that has uniforms that usually consist of some sort of pastel colored polo shirt and Dockers slacks...:lion:

barrett
06-02-2009, 10:15 PM
It's simple to me. If you open the gates to it, it's over. It's only a matter of time. Anyone who thinks that it would only remain on the practice uni's is apparently blind to what's gone on in this country since, well, the assembly line was invented.

I doubt you would find many who would argue against the thinking that the NFL is different than any other sport in that it is massively poplular, hugely profitable and undeniably more consistent and stable than ANY other sport on the planet that we are plastering with ad's every day.

You can't make the comparison to NASCAR or Golf. Period. Well, you can, but it's on a whole different plain. The Product that the NFL is selling is being sold TO advertisers as well as consumers. The main market for the NFL is TV advertising. This allows the game to be compartmented as a product itself. Think of it this way... You sit down to watch a game and for 3 hours you are pitched products. The majority of that is pitching you to buy football tickets and merchandise. Some of it is to buy beer and after shave. At the same time, the NFL is pitching to the networks who pitch to advertisers to buy time.

All television based sports do this but none to the massive profit margin that the NFL does. The NFL can charge millions and millions of dollars for ads partially because it is a product in itself, so in demand that it is making more from the networks than anybody.

mexican_texan
06-03-2009, 12:02 AM
Ever watch PGA/LPGA golf or NASCAR?
Every logo on those NASCAR coveralls or on those golf shirts represents corporately funded "real estate".

And, make no mistake, NASCAR and PGA golf are major sports.
:shrug:
The biggest sport in the world advertises. It's only a matter of time before "Reliant Energy" finds its way onto our unis.

http://euro2008.worldcupblog.org/files/2008/06/cesc_fabregas_380652a.jpg

Fox
06-03-2009, 12:08 AM
Not really all that surprising to me. I could care less what their shirt says during practice, as long as the game day uni's are unscathed I'm good.

ChrisG
06-03-2009, 01:24 AM
this is a slippery slope...next it will be ads on the field then on real jerseys

NitroGSXR
06-03-2009, 02:13 AM
This upsets me to be honest with you. Uniforms define sports. It's who the organization is representing. I want the jerseys to represent the product that I'm paying for which is the Houston Texans. My wardrobe is decked with Texans stuff. Almost every single thing that I wear has the Texans on it.

Do away with the throwbacks. Do away with the end zones. Fire Toro and bring out the Energizer Bunny to jumpstart our fans. Get rid of the cheerleaders and bring in the Pepto Bismol diarrehea dancing five. Ugh. This would definitely disconnect me from the Texans product that's being put on the field. This is definitely opening the floodgates. It's a mistake. They need to be telling me to buy Texans stuff. Not Viagra or Preparation H. Just Texans. It's hard enough to convince me to throw away a significant portion of my money. Why draw that back and advertise something else?

Besides, donning them on jerseys kind of is forcing the players to push a product they may not want their name behind. Maybe they simply don't like Campbell soup and prefers Progressive soup (sp?) yet Campbells is what the player has to don.

Nascar, I totally get but donning advertisements on jerseys or the field/courts is a total disconnect. Don't slap that crap on MLB, NFL, and NBA players. I love uniforms. Why make me think about going to shop at Kroger when I need to be shopping at the Go Texans store? Does not make sense to me. The advertisements around the stadium do not attract my attention but I can totally live with those.

Ugh. Bad move, Texans.

LonerATO
06-03-2009, 02:28 AM
The days of the "John Daly" type of golfers is soon to be non-existent on the PGA. Golf is slowly becoming a game/sport filled with true athletes. It may be hard to see now or believe, but within the next 10 years the majority of the top PGA professionals will be more and more like Tiger. Not in the insane golf ability sense but based on his every day practice/workout schedule. It's an extremely competive sport and Tiger's "off course" regimen has already begun to change how golfers prepare and the shape they stay in.

I disagree in the fact that you can either swing a club or you cant swing a club. John Daly is also pretty much the only player in PGA history to piss away ever chance he has had and when he was "in shape," he was a great player. I wouldn't have an issue with ads on the jerseys as long as it lowered the price of the jersey.

barrett
06-03-2009, 03:14 AM
The biggest sport in the world advertises. It's only a matter of time before "Reliant Energy" finds its way onto our unis.

http://euro2008.worldcupblog.org/files/2008/06/cesc_fabregas_380652a.jpg

The biggest sport in the world is NFL football. Not because of how many tickets they sell. I know, I know, soccer sells alot of tickets. a gazillion if you will. But the NFL generates twice as much cash. The ads on the jerseys of your soccer ball teams are suplimental (much like the coca cola ads in the stadium or Reliant Energy on the stadium.) But the league has been able to maintain it's integrity because of the MASSIVE profit it generates. According to this article http://www.askmen.com/sports/business_200/218b_sports_business.html the NFL generates almost twice as much mulah.

I wouldn't have an issue with ads on the jerseys as long as it lowered the price of the jersey.

wow.

eriadoc
06-03-2009, 05:37 AM
http://euro2008.worldcupblog.org/files/2008/06/cesc_fabregas_380652a.jpg

Go Fly Emirates!

Wait, what team is that?

JayCee
06-03-2009, 06:05 AM
But the league has been able to maintain it's integrity because of the MASSIVE profit it generates. According to this article http://www.askmen.com/sports/business_200/218b_sports_business.html the NFL generates almost twice as much mulah.
wow.
that is just one soccer league, you also have the Italian, Spanish and French to name a couple as well.

pbat488
06-03-2009, 06:19 AM
The biggest sport in the world is NFL football. Not because of how many tickets they sell. I know, I know, soccer sells alot of tickets. a gazillion if you will. But the NFL generates twice as much cash. The ads on the jerseys of your soccer ball teams are suplimental (much like the coca cola ads in the stadium or Reliant Energy on the stadium.) But the league has been able to maintain it's integrity because of the MASSIVE profit it generates. According to this article http://www.askmen.com/sports/business_200/218b_sports_business.html the NFL generates almost twice as much mulah.


That article only lists the English Premier League. There are literally hundreds more professional soccer leagues around the world, with some of the more profitable being the Spanish Primera, the Italian Serie A, the German Bundesliga, the French Ligue 1, and the Dutch Eredivisie to name a couple. On top of those, every country has a couple of leagues, meaning there is a top league that teams must be promoted to and remain in by virtue of points, and then there is a second, third, and even fourth league for some soccer unions. Adding on to that, the Champions League final just this year was viewed by over a billion people, not too mention how many people watched that tournament throughout the course of the season. Then you have national team tournaments such as the Euro's for the European teams and of course the World Cup, the single biggest sporting event in the world.

That's just scraping the surface of how large and immense soccer is around the world. Literally every country in the world, no matter how small or war-torn, has soccer teams. The same can't be said about football; at least the American version.

Now, if we're going to limit the sport to a single league, then yes, the NFL is tops in profit margins by itself (though I think NASCAR might actually give it a close run), but if going by sport, there is undoubtedly no question that soccer is bigger than football on the world stage.

Go Fly Emirates!

Wait, what team is that?

That team is Arsenal, as noted by the patch on the shirt. I love that jersey, I think it's done in a tasteful way, not to mention Arsenal is one of my favorite soccer teams to watch.

eriadoc
06-03-2009, 07:00 AM
That team is Arsenal, as noted by the patch on the shirt. I love that jersey, I think it's done in a tasteful way, not to mention Arsenal is one of my favorite soccer teams to watch.

The logo is readable, the patch is not. That is the future of advertising on jerseys. It's ridiculous.

dalemurphy
06-03-2009, 07:22 AM
It's simple to me. If you open the gates to it, it's over. It's only a matter of time. Anyone who thinks that it would only remain on the practice uni's is apparently blind to what's gone on in this country since, well, the assembly line was invented.

I doubt you would find many who would argue against the thinking that the NFL is different than any other sport in that it is massively poplular, hugely profitable and undeniably more consistent and stable than ANY other sport on the planet that we are plastering with ad's every day.

You can't make the comparison to NASCAR or Golf. Period. Well, you can, but it's on a whole different plain. The Product that the NFL is selling is being sold TO advertisers as well as consumers. The main market for the NFL is TV advertising. This allows the game to be compartmented as a product itself. Think of it this way... You sit down to watch a game and for 3 hours you are pitched products. The majority of that is pitching you to buy football tickets and merchandise. Some of it is to buy beer and after shave. At the same time, the NFL is pitching to the networks who pitch to advertisers to buy time.

All television based sports do this but none to the massive profit margin that the NFL does. The NFL can charge millions and millions of dollars for ads partially because it is a product in itself, so in demand that it is making more from the networks than anybody.

Here's a solution! How about consumers practice a little self-discipline and not be so easily motivated by the advertising. I'm talking to you, Budweiser drinker! That is one of the worst beverages ever created. Only someone hypnotized by a catchy jingle or mesmorized by horses kicking footballs would voluntarily drink that garbage.

I have a two-pronged technique that is quite effective against advertising:

1. DVR
2. lack of attention to detail. I'll never even notice the patches, or whatever they'll be wearing. I don't even know what color helmet the Texans where... I'm thinking it can be blue, red, or white... but, I don't know.

pbat488
06-03-2009, 07:30 AM
The logo is readable, the patch is not. That is the future of advertising on jerseys. It's ridiculous.

That is true, but is it really that big of a deal? I can see in the sense of a non-fan of the game trying to figure out what team they are watching I suppose, but most fans, or even semi-fans, are going to know what teams they're watching because usually only big and famous clubs are shown over here on TV.

It's like if someone unfamiliar with the Texans or pretty much any other NFL team see's that team on TV. All they will see is the color scheme and the logo on the helmet. They most likely won't be able to read the "TEXANS" across the chest of the jersey, but it won't matter much because their will be a scoreboard and a whole host of information for them to gather to infer what team they are watching.

I just don't see it as a big deal. Not to mention looking at actual jerseys, where do y'all think they would place ads on them? There's not much room since so much is taken up with the numbers on the front and back of the jersey, as well as the armlets.

Specnatz
06-03-2009, 09:34 AM
Here's a solution! How about consumers practice a little self-discipline and not be so easily motivated by the advertising. I'm talking to you, Budweiser drinker! That is one of the worst beverages ever created. Only someone hypnotized by a catchy jingle or mesmorized by horses kicking footballs would voluntarily drink that garbage.

I have a two-pronged technique that is quite effective against advertising:

1. DVR
2. lack of attention to detail. I'll never even notice the patches, or whatever they'll be wearing. I don't even know what color helmet the Texans where... I'm thinking it can be blue, red, or white... but, I don't know.

So let me guess you drink Miller Lite oh wait you do not follow advertisement so you do not drink any beer that is ever advertised like Miller, Bush, Heineken, Milwaukee Best, Keystone, Corona, Dos Equis and I could go on and on. My point is that almost any beer you drink now a days is advertised. Unless you went to a real specialty beer like Grolsh or Smithwicks.

Since you never pay any attention to advertisement means you never buy anything that is on sale right?

Kaiser Toro
06-03-2009, 09:40 AM
Golf and Nascar are completely different sports than Football, Baseball and Basketball. A golfer is basically an independent contractor working for himself. For the most part, golfers main source of income can be from sponsorships. I'm not that familiar with Nascar but the advertisements are huge sources of revenue to keep the team up and running.

In football/baseball/basketball they have advertisements around the stadium as supplemental income but not on the actual player. We have this conversation every year. And while I don't think practice jerseys with an advertisement on it (outside of the team, nfl or jersey logos) are that big of deal... it's a slippery slope. Once you allow that then 5 years down the road the logos get bigger. Once the league gets used to this they analyze the impact of implementing this to preseason uniforms, after that then its regular season and before too long... they turn into soccer jerseys.

It is more of a source of profit, than revenue. The inventory for the advertisements are always there and essentially there is no cost to holding that inventory. Now a sponsorship is another vehicle which can include display elements such as banners.

I am all for banners on uniforms if it subsidizes lowering costs at the game. But that will never happen in my opinion.

HOU-TEX
06-03-2009, 09:45 AM
We are talking practice jerseys, right? Who really cares? What do practice jerseys have to do with fans? Or anybody else for that matter? Isn't there a sponser for practically everything in the organization already? Stadium, bubble, parking spots, practices, etc.

Meh, I think we're trying to make a mountain out of a molehill here.

Kaiser Toro
06-03-2009, 09:49 AM
We are talking practice jerseys, right? Who really cares? What do practice jerseys have to do with fans? Or anybody else for that matter?

Meh, I think we're trying to make a mountain out of a molehill here.

It is more of a discussion on what the future holds. PSL owners should band together in order to find a sponsor in order to lessen our costs, should this profit engine take shape on the field of play with no connection to lowering our icket costs.

HOU-TEX
06-03-2009, 10:14 AM
It is more of a discussion on what the future holds. PSL owners should band together in order to find a sponsor in order to lessen our costs, should this profit engine take shape on the field of play with no connection to lowering our icket costs.

We're only talking practice at this point. Considering how strict the NFL is about their dress code, I really don't think they'd allow any non-NFL patches on gameday jerseys.

I might be missing a point or two here, but I still don't see it being a problem.

Double Barrel
06-03-2009, 10:46 AM
It's just another brick in the road to the eventual end game of global corporation domination. Give it a few decades, and we'll see the FedEx Cardinals and Coca-Cola Rams, where sports franchises sign a 5 year deal with a city to host the games. Of course, you don't have to go to the game, as it will be available on McDonalds pay-per-view.

The corporatocracy is not going away, folks. Just enjoy the twilight while we can, because right now will be "the good old days" in the not-to-distant future. :howdy:

Silver Oak
06-03-2009, 10:58 AM
Anyone that claims golf is a sport can try until they're blue in the face to explain John Daly.



the money in golf, whether you decree it to be a sport or not, is very, very good.

eriadoc
06-03-2009, 11:41 AM
the money in golf, whether you decree it to be a sport or not, is very, very good.

The money in lots of games is very, very good. I never disputed that.

El Tejano
06-03-2009, 12:28 PM
Well I guess we don't have anything to worry about. Area businesses are not going support the team since we didn't draft you know who. Remember?

MannyFresh
06-03-2009, 12:38 PM
[QUOTE=barrett;1191123]I'm sure that's how it was with the Nazi's and Poland too. Meh, so long as it doesn't creep in to...



Seriously? Really?

mattieuk
06-03-2009, 12:41 PM
Erm....is it just me here, or does this whole debate miss the point.

Reebok have their logos all over NFL gameday shirts. I can guarantee you that 'manufacturers logo' (sounds better than advertiser's logo!) is advertising in itself.

You see Under Armour being advertised everywhere on game day.

The Texans play at the 'Reliant' Stadium.

The players drink Gatorade, and drink out of Gatorade branded cups.

Advertising is everywhere in football, in the stadium, on the sidelines, on the pitch, during the commercial breaks, sponsoring the half time show. Its just how it is. If there is something worth selling, it will be sold, sorry guys.

powerfuldragon
06-03-2009, 12:47 PM
I'm sure that's how it was with the Nazi's and Poland too. Meh, so long as it doesn't creep in to...



Seriously? Really?
man... it's the internet. sometimes you've just gotta sigh and scroll on.

The Pencil Neck
06-03-2009, 12:59 PM
erm....is it just me here, or does this whole debate miss the point.

Reebok have their logos all over nfl gameday shirts. I can guarantee you that 'manufacturers logo' (sounds better than advertiser's logo!) is advertising in itself.

You see under armour being advertised everywhere on game day.

The texans play at the 'reliant' stadium.

The players drink gatorade, and drink out of gatorade branded cups.

Advertising is everywhere in football, in the stadium, on the sidelines, on the pitch, during the commercial breaks, sponsoring the half time show. Its just how it is. If there is something worth selling, it will be sold, sorry guys.


qft.

JWarren14
06-03-2009, 01:08 PM
The Arena Football League pretty much shows what it could turn out to be...http://www.sportswriters.net/aflwa/images/front/player_dorazio.jpg

I don't see it getting on the game day jerseys for the NFL. It's everywhere in other countries for all different sports.

Rugby:
http://www.seatwave.com/filestore/SEASON/IMAGE/newcastle-falcons_002501_1_MainPicture.jpg
Basketball: Josh Childress
http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2009/0429/nba_g_jchildressts_576.jpg
Hockey:
http://hockeyadventure.com/wp-content/themes/otherthemes/eurojersey.jpg

The list goes on and it could work it's way up to the bigger leagues in the states as some smaller leagues such as the MLS and WNBA have deals with companies to put logos on their jerseys.

http://www.wnba.com/media/mercury/lifelock_taurasi_todd_300.jpg

http://www.albionroad.com/images/stories/uniforms/houston-dynamo-home-jersey.jpg

Sorry for all the pictures....

Double Barrel
06-03-2009, 01:53 PM
Erm....is it just me here, or does this whole debate miss the point.

Reebok have their logos all over NFL gameday shirts. I can guarantee you that 'manufacturers logo' (sounds better than advertiser's logo!) is advertising in itself.

You see Under Armour being advertised everywhere on game day.

The Texans play at the 'Reliant' Stadium.

The players drink Gatorade, and drink out of Gatorade branded cups.

Advertising is everywhere in football, in the stadium, on the sidelines, on the pitch, during the commercial breaks, sponsoring the half time show. Its just how it is. If there is something worth selling, it will be sold, sorry guys.


Good points, and more bricks in the road to the eventual Exxon Texans. :shades:

Goldensilence
06-03-2009, 02:21 PM
Times like this I can't help but think about futurama.


http://www.geocities.com/zoidberg_fan/episodes/images/fry_coffee.gif

What do you mean they advertise in dreams now?!

Ole Miss Texan
06-03-2009, 02:45 PM
Erm....is it just me here, or does this whole debate miss the point.

Reebok have their logos all over NFL gameday shirts. I can guarantee you that 'manufacturers logo' (sounds better than advertiser's logo!) is advertising in itself.

You see Under Armour being advertised everywhere on game day.

The Texans play at the 'Reliant' Stadium.

The players drink Gatorade, and drink out of Gatorade branded cups.

Advertising is everywhere in football, in the stadium, on the sidelines, on the pitch, during the commercial breaks, sponsoring the half time show. Its just how it is. If there is something worth selling, it will be sold, sorry guys.
This arguement gets brought up every year too. The Reebok logo, NFL logo and Team logo are all technically advertising but I think each has its place on the jersey. Manufacturer, league, team. But I don't think there's a place for outside business to advertise on such items.

I've got nothing against advertising and I think sporting events is a GREAT place for it. Around the stadium, on the drink cups, etc. I think is all fine and dandy. But I'm against having the advertisements on the actual playing surface or uniforms.

The one exception I have is during Bowl games or Championship games that are sponsored. Like the Dr. Pepper Big XII championship or the Chic-fil-a Bowl. So long as its the actual official logo of the Game on the patch or painted on the field, I'm cool with it.

LonerATO
06-03-2009, 02:56 PM
The Arena Football League pretty much shows what it could turn out to be...http://www.sportswriters.net/aflwa/images/front/player_dorazio.jpg

I don't see it getting on the game day jerseys for the NFL. It's everywhere in other countries for all different sports.

Rugby:
http://www.seatwave.com/filestore/SEASON/IMAGE/newcastle-falcons_002501_1_MainPicture.jpg
Basketball: Josh Childress
http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2009/0429/nba_g_jchildressts_576.jpg
Hockey:
http://hockeyadventure.com/wp-content/themes/otherthemes/eurojersey.jpg

The list goes on and it could work it's way up to the bigger leagues in the states as some smaller leagues such as the MLS and WNBA have deals with companies to put logos on their jerseys.

http://www.wnba.com/media/mercury/lifelock_taurasi_todd_300.jpg

http://www.albionroad.com/images/stories/uniforms/houston-dynamo-home-jersey.jpg

Sorry for all the pictures....

It must suck to be that hockey player

barrett
06-03-2009, 02:56 PM
:::sigh:::

Kaiser Toro
06-03-2009, 03:43 PM
Erm....is it just me here, or does this whole debate miss the point.

Reebok have their logos all over NFL gameday shirts. I can guarantee you that 'manufacturers logo' (sounds better than advertiser's logo!) is advertising in itself.

You see Under Armour being advertised everywhere on game day.

The Texans play at the 'Reliant' Stadium.

The players drink Gatorade, and drink out of Gatorade branded cups.

Advertising is everywhere in football, in the stadium, on the sidelines, on the pitch, during the commercial breaks, sponsoring the half time show. Its just how it is. If there is something worth selling, it will be sold, sorry guys.


I think there is more than just you. The debate as I see it is, what will that new revenue stream contrubute to. If lower prices, or value added services, that patrons want at the stadium are it then yes I am in. However, as I have mentioned before what will this do to jersey sales which has been a solid revenue stream.

A manufacturer's logo is not painted across the chest of the uniform, which in itself is probably within the terms of the sponsorship to subisdize cost.

The way I see it, is that there will be 2 million impressions per home game with eyeballs in the stands and on the television, which is a very conservative number. An a la carte sponorship such as this for one game would be probably be, on the low side, a $500CPM (cost per thousand impressions). Therefore, 2m x $500/1000= $1 million dollars per game. If each ticket holder received $10 off that would be $690k for a net of $310k per game.

I am not a purist, but I will not be buying anymore jerseys should they have an advertiser on them. Furthermore, just tell me my tickets are going down by $10 each game and I will happily support this.

dalemurphy
06-03-2009, 04:23 PM
So let me guess you drink Miller Lite oh wait you do not follow advertisement so you do not drink any beer that is ever advertised like Miller, Bush, Heineken, Milwaukee Best, Keystone, Corona, Dos Equis and I could go on and on. My point is that almost any beer you drink now a days is advertised. Unless you went to a real specialty beer like Grolsh or Smithwicks.

Since you never pay any attention to advertisement means you never buy anything that is on sale right?


Advertising can offer information that is valuable. A sales notification would be an example of that. I definitely consume products that are advertised. However, I'm not normally manipulated into buying a poor product. Obviously, if you are consuming Budweiser, then you have been manipulated.

Double Barrel
06-03-2009, 04:35 PM
I am not a purist, but I will not be buying anymore jerseys should they have an advertiser on them.

I've got my expensive custom jersey, so I'm done buying any more. No more player jerseys, and none with blatant advertisements (if it comes to that).

Furthermore, just tell me my tickets are going down by $10 each game and I will happily support this.

Won't happen, unfortunately. They are going to increase revenue, and lowering prices does not acheive that objective.

Texan Asylum
06-03-2009, 04:43 PM
The word "cheesy" comes to mind...or arena league.

Specnatz
06-03-2009, 04:45 PM
Advertising can offer information that is valuable. A sales notification would be an example of that. I definitely consume products that are advertised. However, I'm not normally manipulated into buying a poor product. Obviously, if you are consuming Budweiser, then you have been manipulated.

In your opinion! You failed to say that, I drink Bud Light but I do also drink Shiner, Grolsh, Smithwick, and other beers. I will not consume a Miller product, because for the most part I do not like the taste. But I will not call anyone who drinks it manipulated, it is just that they have underdeveloped taste buds and flavored water is OK by them.

mexican_texan
06-03-2009, 05:52 PM
It's just another brick in the road to the eventual end game of global corporation domination. Give it a few decades, and we'll see the FedEx Cardinals and Coca-Cola Rams, where sports franchises sign a 5 year deal with a city to host the games. Of course, you don't have to go to the game, as it will be available on McDonalds pay-per-view.

The corporatocracy is not going away, folks. Just enjoy the twilight while we can, because right now will be "the good old days" in the not-to-distant future. :howdy:
http://www.soccerbyives.net/soccer_by_ives/images/2008/04/10/red_bulls_logo.jpg

michaelm
06-03-2009, 06:06 PM
Advertising can offer information that is valuable. A sales notification would be an example of that. I definitely consume products that are advertised. However, I'm not normally manipulated into buying a poor product. Obviously, if you are consuming Budweiser, then you have been manipulated.

Hey Dale, let me do you a favor by manipulating you to buy this:


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2439/3593701910_513a3df77f.jpg

Bombshell Blonde
Brewed by Southern Star Brewery in Conroe, and available at Specs and other places.
Awesome.

How's that for ad placement?

barrett
06-03-2009, 06:12 PM
...just tell me my tickets are going down by $10 each game and I will happily support this.

I would rather pay the $10 to not have to look at it.

dalemurphy
06-03-2009, 06:14 PM
Hey Dale, let me do you a favor by manipulating you to buy this:


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2439/3593701910_513a3df77f.jpg

Bombshell Blonde
Brewed by Southern Star Brewery in Conroe, and available at Specs and other places.
Awesome.

How's that for ad placement?

I didn't notice it.

barrett
06-03-2009, 06:22 PM
you noticed a large rectangle getting in the way of your next "genius" post. i'm sure of it.

mexican_texan
06-03-2009, 07:00 PM
Just pointing out, all those ads on uniforms and sidelines for soccer games...you only get commercials at halftime. There are far more ads in the NFL with constant commercial breaks.

Touchdown...commercials. Extra point...commercials. Kickoff...commercials. 40 yard pass...commercials.

Bud Light doesn't sell a lot of beers for the way it tastes. There are better beers out there.

CloakNNNdagger
06-03-2009, 09:10 PM
......the Titans have been, for at least a couple of years, wearing a “Baptist Sports Management” patch on their practice jerseys.

LINK (http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/06/03/titans-wore-practice-jersey-patches-without-league-approval/)



Surprised that they aren't using this in their patch, making money under the guise of a "community service message" to all their fans:


http://www.freesamplesblog.com/images/trojan.gif

mattieuk
06-05-2009, 07:07 PM
This arguement gets brought up every year too. The Reebok logo, NFL logo and Team logo are all technically advertising but I think each has its place on the jersey. Manufacturer, league, team. But I don't think there's a place for outside business to advertise on such items.

I've got nothing against advertising and I think sporting events is a GREAT place for it. Around the stadium, on the drink cups, etc. I think is all fine and dandy. But I'm against having the advertisements on the actual playing surface or uniforms.

The one exception I have is during Bowl games or Championship games that are sponsored. Like the Dr. Pepper Big XII championship or the Chic-fil-a Bowl. So long as its the actual official logo of the Game on the patch or painted on the field, I'm cool with it.

I''m not completely convinced that the issue here isn't that there is a problem with the actual advertising, but it being more an issue of being used to the advertisements.

Coming as a relative newcomer to football, the advertising shocked me in the NFL, but mostly because of how it was conducted, not the amount to which it was conducted.

I remember, the idea of a halftime show being 'sponsored' by Wendys just being completely baffling. Over here we wouldn't have a half time review show sponsored, but would have shirt sponsors, which likewise would be an alien concept to a lot of American football fans.

Company names used to never be on soccer jerseys, but now it would be considered a 'naked' shirt it not having something half way down the shirt, one of the reasons international soccer jerseys look so much more different from club teams. Now its been accepted over a number of years (despite people being pissed to begin with). At the end of the day, if it sells it will be done, and the fans will eventually come round, and get used to it. I'm sure there was a day when the Superbowl, half time shows and replays weren't sponsored.

I think there is more than just you. The debate as I see it is, what will that new revenue stream contrubute to. If lower prices, or value added services, that patrons want at the stadium are it then yes I am in. However, as I have mentioned before what will this do to jersey sales which has been a solid revenue stream.

A manufacturer's logo is not painted across the chest of the uniform, which in itself is probably within the terms of the sponsorship to subisdize cost.

I don't mean to be the perennial voice of doom and gloom, but the only way that the inclusion of shirt and field advertising is going to help the fans get discounts, is if fans revolt, and McNair/the NFL is backed into a corner where they have to make concessions (probably only token) to make sure that they keep the seats filled and the team shops bustling with people.

Other sports have shown that increased sponsorship deals have rarely (if never) led to ticket price reductions, although many other sports don't run under the salary cap, and draft pick heavy style of trading (as opposed to transfer fees) that other teams do. I know, as a soccer fan, that if my team got an extra £2million from a new, larger sponsorship logo (or something to that extent), that the money would go into a new transfer signing, or a player's contract, rather than off my ticket price.

Jeez...I'm starting to depress myself now. When does the darn season start!

Kaiser Toro
06-05-2009, 07:56 PM
I don't mean to be the perennial voice of doom and gloom, but the only way that the inclusion of shirt and field advertising is going to help the fans get discounts, is if fans revolt, and McNair/the NFL is backed into a corner where they have to make concessions (probably only token) to make sure that they keep the seats filled and the team shops bustling with people.

Other sports have shown that increased sponsorship deals have rarely (if never) led to ticket price reductions, although many other sports don't run under the salary cap, and draft pick heavy style of trading (as opposed to transfer fees) that other teams do. I know, as a soccer fan, that if my team got an extra £2million from a new, larger sponsorship logo (or something to that extent), that the money would go into a new transfer signing, or a player's contract, rather than off my ticket price.

Jeez...I'm starting to depress myself now. When does the darn season start!

I have no belief that a reduction would ever come, but the debate could always use some suggestive framework.

mattieuk
06-06-2009, 07:52 PM
I have no belief that a reduction would ever come, but the debate could always use some suggestive framework.

Oh for sure. It would be a fantastic hope to hold that sponsorship in some way would find it's way back to the fan's pockets, but we all know that the real winners in pro sports are the owners and financiers.

Marcus
06-07-2009, 04:41 PM
I suppose it's a waste of energy to say I don't like it.

Go Texans I guess. ::sigh::

Fretting over 'slippery slopes' is always a huge waste of time.

ObsiWan
06-08-2009, 11:23 AM
http://images.ucomics.com/comics/crwiz/2009/crwiz090606.gif (http://www.mycomicspage.com/wizardofid/)

it's everywhere
:D

Double Barrel
06-09-2009, 05:35 PM
Fretting over 'slippery slopes' is always a huge waste of time.

Some people think spectator sports are a huge waste of time. It's just a matter of perspective.