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drewmar74
05-26-2009, 01:08 PM
As a youngster playing football, Dan Orlovsky was blessed with size and a cannon arm.

The former Shelton High and UConn quarterback knew that, but he also had a clear understanding of what it would take to reach his dream of being a starting quarterback in the NFL. He knew size and a cannon arm wouldn't be enough.

"Every quarterback in the league can throw the ball but I always believed, ever since I was playing Pop Warner, that doing things like getting to practice early and working and staying afterward will help you down the road," Orlovsky said.

Orlovsky, 25, spent four years with the Detroit Lions, mostly as the No. 3 quarterback, before signing a three-year, $9.1 million deal, including a $2.4 million signing bonus, with the Houston Texans on March 1 to back up Matt Schaub.

"Paying attention to detail and doing all the little things, I think, is why I was blessed to be in position to get the contract with Houston," Orlovsky said.

Orlovsky, a fifth-round pick by the Lions in 2005, realized he had to make an impression last season if he was going to get another contract.

He made the first of his seven starts Oct. 12 against Minnesota after Jon Kitna was put on injured reserve. Orlovsky made an impression in a 12-10 loss, but one he would probably like to forget.

The Lions were at their 1 when Orlovsky dropped back to pass. The Vikings' Jared Allen broke through the line.

Breaking to his right, Orlovsky saw Allen but inadvertently stepped out of bounds in the back of the end zone. He not only ran out of bounds, but he kept running as if the play were still live while Allen was merely shadowing him and celebrating the safety.

"That wasn't the impression I was looking to make," Orlovsky said, laughing. "But I felt terrible. It was a stupid play and I was really down about it, but Jared DeVries, a defensive end and an 11-year veteran, comes up to me right after the play and says, 'Forget about that. We need you. Everybody makes mistakes.'

"[Wide receiver] Calvin Johnson comes up to me and says, 'Man, I didn't mean to laugh, but that stuff was funny.' So I mean, it happened. I'll be remembered for it, I'm sure. But you have to move on, and I did. After that game, I just went back to paying attention to detail again and doing the little things ó like I always did."

Orlovsky (6 feet 5, 230 pounds) made a more positive impression against the Texans in Houston the following week. The Lions lost that one, 28-21. In fact, they lost them all, going 0-16.

Detroit and Orlovsky made it close, outscoring the Texans 11-0 in the fourth quarter, which included a career-long, 96-yard TD pass from Orlovsky to Johnson. Orlovsky finished 12 of 25 for 265 yards with the TD pass and no interceptions.

Less than five months later, Orlovsky signed with Houston despite missing five games with a hand injury.

"It's a blessing," said Orlovsky, who will marry fiancee Tiffany Lesher in July. "Do I think I deserve that much? No, I don't. But I think I've earned it because I put a lot of work into playing this game and I didn't cheat or cut corners."

He looks at the contract as more of a reward with a greater one still out there ó to be a full-time starter.

"I don't know what the future holds for me here, but I'm going to continue to do the things that got me this far, my mainstays, and I'll continue to gain experience," Orlovsky said. "I may not be in the same place, but my goals have not changed. I want to be a starting quarterback in the NFL. I've made a long-term investment and commitment to making it happen."

linky dinky doo (http://www.courant.com/sports/football/hc-orlovsky0526.artmay26,0,4873001.story)

BigBull17
05-26-2009, 02:19 PM
Good read. I like this kid alot.

dalemurphy
05-26-2009, 02:26 PM
As a youngster playing football, Dan Orlovsky was blessed with size and a cannon arm.

The former Shelton High and UConn quarterback knew that, but he also had a clear understanding of what it would take to reach his dream of being a starting quarterback in the NFL. He knew size and a cannon arm wouldn't be enough.

"Every quarterback in the league can throw the ball but I always believed, ever since I was playing Pop Warner, that doing things like getting to practice early and working and staying afterward will help you down the road," Orlovsky said.

Orlovsky, 25, spent four years with the Detroit Lions, mostly as the No. 3 quarterback, before signing a three-year, $9.1 million deal, including a $2.4 million signing bonus, with the Houston Texans on March 1 to back up Matt Schaub.

"Paying attention to detail and doing all the little things, I think, is why I was blessed to be in position to get the contract with Houston," Orlovsky said.

Orlovsky, a fifth-round pick by the Lions in 2005, realized he had to make an impression last season if he was going to get another contract.

He made the first of his seven starts Oct. 12 against Minnesota after Jon Kitna was put on injured reserve. Orlovsky made an impression in a 12-10 loss, but one he would probably like to forget.

The Lions were at their 1 when Orlovsky dropped back to pass. The Vikings' Jared Allen broke through the line.

Breaking to his right, Orlovsky saw Allen but inadvertently stepped out of bounds in the back of the end zone. He not only ran out of bounds, but he kept running as if the play were still live while Allen was merely shadowing him and celebrating the safety.

"That wasn't the impression I was looking to make," Orlovsky said, laughing. "But I felt terrible. It was a stupid play and I was really down about it, but Jared DeVries, a defensive end and an 11-year veteran, comes up to me right after the play and says, 'Forget about that. We need you. Everybody makes mistakes.'

"[Wide receiver] Calvin Johnson comes up to me and says, 'Man, I didn't mean to laugh, but that stuff was funny.' So I mean, it happened. I'll be remembered for it, I'm sure. But you have to move on, and I did. After that game, I just went back to paying attention to detail again and doing the little things — like I always did."

Orlovsky (6 feet 5, 230 pounds) made a more positive impression against the Texans in Houston the following week. The Lions lost that one, 28-21. In fact, they lost them all, going 0-16.

Detroit and Orlovsky made it close, outscoring the Texans 11-0 in the fourth quarter, which included a career-long, 96-yard TD pass from Orlovsky to Johnson. Orlovsky finished 12 of 25 for 265 yards with the TD pass and no interceptions.

Less than five months later, Orlovsky signed with Houston despite missing five games with a hand injury.

"It's a blessing," said Orlovsky, who will marry fiancee Tiffany Lesher in July. "Do I think I deserve that much? No, I don't. But I think I've earned it because I put a lot of work into playing this game and I didn't cheat or cut corners."

He looks at the contract as more of a reward with a greater one still out there — to be a full-time starter.

"I don't know what the future holds for me here, but I'm going to continue to do the things that got me this far, my mainstays, and I'll continue to gain experience," Orlovsky said. "I may not be in the same place, but my goals have not changed. I want to be a starting quarterback in the NFL. I've made a long-term investment and commitment to making it happen."

linky dinky doo (http://www.courant.com/sports/football/hc-orlovsky0526.artmay26,0,4873001.story)


Now that's a refreshingly healthy and realistic way to look at a multi-million dollar contract.

or, as Clint Eastwood said, "'deserve' aint got nothin' to do with it."

CloakNNNdagger
05-26-2009, 02:32 PM
I certainly don't want to start a fire storm, but it wouldn't surprise me, after all the ridicule he endured in Detroit (especially for his end zone miscue), he develops into our starting QB within the next 2 years. To date, he has had no real coaching to develop any of his NFL-potential skills and talents. JMHO

BigBull17
05-26-2009, 02:52 PM
I certainly don't want to start a fire storm, but it wouldn't surprise me, after all the ridicule he endured in Detroit (especially for his end zone miscue), he develops into our starting QB within the next 2 years. To date, he has had no real coaching to develop any of his NFL-potential skills and talents. JMHO

I kinda see this too. Since Schaub is due a huge roster bonus next year, if he's not lights out, you need a plan B. You can teach alot, but hard work, humility, and a canon arm arent one of them.

Specnatz
05-26-2009, 03:09 PM
Orlovsky for President

TimeKiller
05-26-2009, 06:51 PM
Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs

Thorn
05-26-2009, 06:58 PM
With proper coaching, he can be a very good backup. He certainly has the potential to be a better backup than Copterman. But potential and ten bucks barely gets you a six pack of beer and some smokes these days. Let's see how he does after he gets coached up by our offensive staff.

False Start
05-26-2009, 07:03 PM
The thing with the end zone, will haunt him for the rest of his NFL career. I really like the guy's attitude and willingness to learn. I hope he can get it done if Schaub gets hit with another cheap shot and goes down.

barrett
05-26-2009, 07:35 PM
He's certainly in a good position. He's got a renowned QB cochem'up HC, a very flattering system and QB ahead of him who has not made it through an entire season. On top of that, his skill set is ideal for what we're doing. Did you ever wonder when you look at the Tacks when it was Young, Collins and Simms. Did you ever think "what the hell kind of QB is the system designed for?

I feel like we're really lucky to have him. Wish him the best too, he appears to be good people.

TheRealJoker
05-26-2009, 07:54 PM
Orlovsky has tremendous upside and one of the strongest arms in the league. With the skill players we have to complement him I am not at all worried if Schaub goes down this season because I know that Orlovsky will suprise the rest of the league who thinks we'll be sending out the same caliber of production Detroit got out of him.

Either Schaub stays healthy and becomes our franchise QB then we flip Orlo for pick(s).

OR

Schaub proves to be Chris Chandelier 2.0 and we cut bait then have Orlo compete against a rookie and/or FA/Trade aquisition.

I am supremely confident that as long as we have the offensive coaching staff/players we will not have major problems at the QB position. The system is very QB friendly so I highly doubt we see anymore HWWNBN esque games featuring negative net passing yards no matter who we have lining up behind center. That doesn't mean Schaub staying healthy isn't a priority though, his health is the key to our playoffs. We can get by with solid QB play and get to .500 but we wont make the playoffs unless we have continuity at the position with a bonafide franchise QB like Schaub has shown flashes of being.

dalemurphy
05-27-2009, 12:26 AM
Orlovsky has tremendous upside and one of the strongest arms in the league. With the skill players we have to complement him I am not at all worried if Schaub goes down this season because I know that Orlovsky will suprise the rest of the league who thinks we'll be sending out the same caliber of production Detroit got out of him.

Either Schaub stays healthy and becomes our franchise QB then we flip Orlo for pick(s).

OR

Schaub proves to be Chris Chandelier 2.0 and we cut bait then have Orlo compete against a rookie and/or FA/Trade aquisition.

I am supremely confident that as long as we have the offensive coaching staff/players we will not have major problems at the QB position. The system is very QB friendly so I highly doubt we see anymore HWWNBN esque games featuring negative net passing yards no matter who we have lining up behind center. That doesn't mean Schaub staying healthy isn't a priority though, his health is the key to our playoffs. We can get by with solid QB play and get to .500 but we wont make the playoffs unless we have continuity at the position with a bonafide franchise QB like Schaub has shown flashes of being.

Barring fairly disasterous results, I expect Schaub to be extended. That being said, I agree that Orlavsky has some chance of taking over for him at some point. However, I don't think a decision has to come down on that until 2011. 2011 would be his last season under contract and Schaub would have one year left. So, it isn't until that point that a decision has to be made on allocating QB resources. We can certainly afford Schaub's extension along side of Orlavsky's three year deal.

badboy
05-27-2009, 12:45 PM
Barring fairly disasterous results, I expect Schaub to be extended. That being said, I agree that Orlavsky has some chance of taking over for him at some point. However, I don't think a decision has to come down on that until 2011. 2011 would be his last season under contract and Schaub would have one year left. So, it isn't until that point that a decision has to be made on allocating QB resources. We can certainly afford Schaub's extension along side of Orlavsky's three year deal.What would consequences be if both turn out to be excellent? I can see extending Schaub and keeping O also. Maybe we could use the franchise tag on O if he refuses to sign for good deal. I am ok with two starter type QBs if no favorable trade offer is presented. This should be the year where we have a very good starter at most positions and the back up being an option that does not cause me to run to bath room to throw up.

TimeKiller
05-27-2009, 01:15 PM
Let's see how he does after he gets coached up by our offensive staff....

....because the "before" category is quite awful...

Runner
05-27-2009, 02:29 PM
1a and 1b. Best darn back-up in the league.

Ckw
05-27-2009, 03:35 PM
After reading this, I am really rooting for this guy. He certainly has a very strong arm. If Kubiak's past record means anything, he should be able to turn this guy into a quality NFL QB.

Insideop
05-28-2009, 06:28 AM
The chron did an article on Orlovsky yesterday. It had some of the same stuff this article had about his time in Detroit, his "big boo boo" :gun: in the end zone and so on, but they also had this little tid bit that I thought was interesting;

Orlovsky credits coach Gary Kubiak for making him emphasize his footwork during the ongoing organized team activities at Reliant Park.

ďThatís something I had never experienced before, never had coached that way,Ē Orlovsky said. ďItís going to be a big adjustment for me, but I can see differences already when I try to do that,.

It's a pretty good article and gives a little insight as to what they are doing with Orlovsky. Here's the link. http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/6444351.html

Sideline
05-28-2009, 07:50 AM
I did have my doubts on Orlovsky after the way he left Detroit, but the more I hear about him the more and more I like him. He looks like he knows his role here at the moment and is surely looking forward to winning a game soon lol. Seems like a kid that really just wants to play Quarterback in this league.

Wolf
05-28-2009, 10:23 AM
nice article Insideop

CloakNNNdagger
05-28-2009, 10:25 AM
Offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan said Orlovsky is similar to Schaub when it comes to arm strength, but he doesnít have Schaubís accuracy.

A courtesy/confidence statement to Schaub. From what I've seen, there is no basis for this conclusion. Orlovsky appears to have the significantly stronger arm.

drewmar74
05-28-2009, 10:31 AM
From the Chron article: Orlovsky had offseason visits planned to Denver and Seattle, but the Texans never let him leave Houston without a deal to replace Sage Rosenfels. Offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan said Orlovsky is similar to Schaub when it comes to arm strength, but he doesnít have Schaubís accuracy.

From the Hartford Courant article: He knew size and a cannon arm wouldn't be enough.

Okay, so if he's similar to Schaub in arm strength, I think its safe to say that we don't have a Jeff George / Browning Nagle cannon arm.....

CloakNNNdagger
05-28-2009, 11:49 AM
From the Chron article: Orlovsky had offseason visits planned to Denver and Seattle, but the Texans never let him leave Houston without a deal to replace Sage Rosenfels. Offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan said Orlovsky is similar to Schaub when it comes to arm strength, but he doesnít have Schaubís accuracy.

From the Hartford Courant article: He knew size and a cannon arm wouldn't be enough.

Okay, so if he's similar to Schaub in arm strength, I think its safe to say that we don't have a Jeff George / Browning Nagle cannon arm.....

I guess you and I interpret the "cannon arm" statement totally different. To me, it means that he acknowledges that he may have a "cannon arm," but realizes that it takes more than that to be successful in the NFL (as illustrated by the failed Jeff George experiment.) Personal observations tell me that Orlovsky does have arm strength that can be classified "cannon."

drewmar74
05-28-2009, 12:03 PM
I guess you and I interpret the "cannon arm" statement totally different. To me, it means that he acknowledges that he may have a "cannon arm," but realizes that it takes more than that to be successful in the NFL (as illustrated by the failed Jeff George experiment.) Personal observations tell me that Orlovsky does have arm strength that can be classified "cannon."

No, I read what you are saying and I agree. Jeff George and Browning Nagle could both throw a ball through a brick wall but they're both out of the league. Dan-O realizes that, apparently and that's a good thing.

Where I'm hung up, though, is that lil' Shanny says that Orlovsky has a similar arm to Matt's. Matt does not have a cannon arm.

So what am I missing here? Does Matt have a cannon that I'm unaware of? Is Orlovsky's write-up in the Hartford Courant misleading?

badboy
05-28-2009, 12:31 PM
I did have my doubts on Orlovsky after the way he left Detroit, but the more I hear about him the more and more I like him. He looks like he knows his role here at the moment and is surely looking forward to winning a game soon lol. Seems like a kid that really just wants to play Quarterback in this league.I am impressed with the players on the team. Veterans very willing to help newer guys and the younger guys seem willing to listen and learn. Do we even have a prima donna type on this squad?

badboy
05-28-2009, 12:36 PM
From the Chron article: Orlovsky had offseason visits planned to Denver and Seattle, but the Texans never let him leave Houston without a deal to replace Sage Rosenfels. Offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan said Orlovsky is similar to Schaub when it comes to arm strength, but he doesnít have Schaubís accuracy.

From the Hartford Courant article: He knew size and a cannon arm wouldn't be enough.

Okay, so if he's similar to Schaub in arm strength, I think its safe to say that we don't have a Jeff George / Browning Nagle cannon arm..... I read this and thought "Schaub too has a cannon type arm and is accurate and is seasoned at starter role." Uh, that sounds pretty good to me. Cannon arm but not as accurate? I thought he was describing Pastorinni for a minute. Everything seems to point to Matt being on field more this season and maybe an even better year. Hope the RB thinggy works to his advantage.

TexansFanatic
05-28-2009, 12:55 PM
Is Orlovsky the first QB in the history of the NFL to step out of the back of the endzone while under pressure?

I understand it was a silly mistake, but I don't get why it continues to be a story. It was one play.

Specnatz
05-28-2009, 01:07 PM
Is Orlovsky the first QB in the history of the NFL to step out of the back of the endzone while under pressure?

I understand it was a silly mistake, but I don't get why it continues to be a story. It was one play.

The talking heads of the media need something to grab onto to make fun of Detroit's season and the play was really bad since he was out by about 5 yards. Is it fair? NO but the new media is all about making fun of versus informing. Welcome to the Jim Rome/Chris Everette way of covering sports.

Runner
05-28-2009, 01:22 PM
I am impressed with the players on the team. Veterans very willing to help newer guys and the younger guys seem willing to listen and learn. Do we even have a prima donna type on this squad?


Yes they do, at least one. No need to do character assassination though, so I'll try to hold my tongue.

Runner
05-28-2009, 01:25 PM
Is Orlovsky the first QB in the history of the NFL to step out of the back of the endzone while under pressure?

I understand it was a silly mistake, but I don't get why it continues to be a story. It was one play.

I think Rosencopter gets way too much play here too. It was just one play, but it defines the man. Same thing I guess.

CloakNNNdagger
05-28-2009, 01:33 PM
No, I read what you are saying and I agree. Jeff George and Browning Nagle could both throw a ball through a brick wall but they're both out of the league. Dan-O realizes that, apparently and that's a good thing.

Where I'm hung up, though, is that lil' Shanny says that Orlovsky has a similar arm to Matt's. Matt does not have a cannon arm.

So what am I missing here? Does Matt have a cannon that I'm unaware of? Is Orlovsky's write-up in the Hartford Courant misleading?

That's exactly why II originally posted that statement in bold. We're actually in total agreement. I DON'T feel Schaub has anywhere close to a "canon" for an arm.

TimeKiller
05-28-2009, 01:47 PM
I am impressed with the players on the team. Veterans very willing to help newer guys and the younger guys seem willing to listen and learn. Do we even have a prima donna type on this squad?

Dunta Robinson?

Is Orlovsky the first QB in the history of the NFL to step out of the back of the endzone while under pressure?

I understand it was a silly mistake, but I don't get why it continues to be a story. It was one play.

Well, I guess until he does something else for everyone to remember him by he's stuck with that particularly embarrasing display.

Oh, that something else damn sure needs to be something BETTER than stepping out of the endzone too....

TexansFanatic
05-28-2009, 02:07 PM
Well, I guess until he does something else for everyone to remember him by he's stuck with that particularly embarrasing display.

Oh, that something else damn sure needs to be something BETTER than stepping out of the endzone too....

What about the 96 yard TD pass he threw from his own end zone to Calvin Johnson against the Texans?

But I get your point, he needs more success.

drewmar74
05-28-2009, 02:30 PM
That's exactly why II originally posted that statement in bold. We're actually in total agreement. I DON'T feel Schaub has anywhere close to a "canon" for an arm.

Right.

So if Schaub doesn't have a cannon for an arm and lil Shanny says that Dan-O's arm is like Schaubs.....

then we don't have a 6'-5" laser rocket armed QB despite what the Hartford Courant says.

And, if anything, we have a backup with a "good but not great" arm with accuracy issues that stem from bad footwork?

HOU-TEX
05-28-2009, 02:38 PM
I think Rosencopter gets way too much play here too. It was just one play, but it defines the man. Same thing I guess.

Big difference, IMO. I think Dan was trying to make a play in order to get his team out of a bad situation.

Rosencopter was trying to make a play for himself in order to better his situation.

Runner
05-28-2009, 03:18 PM
Big difference, IMO. I think Dan was trying to make a play in order to get his team out of a bad situation.

Rosencopter was trying to make a play for himself in order to better his situation.

That is one viewpoint, and I personally give it about a 50% chance of being true. He might have put himself ahead of the team. However, I'm not a mind reader so I think there is another, equally likely, scenario.

Sage seems to be an all out, damn the torpedos type of player. Wasn't it him that amazed us all with his speed when he took off after a guy trying to return a field goal? He hustled to his own detriment that day. I think his approach to the game as I've described is evidenced by his periods of high productivity intermingled with bad play. In other words, I think he screwed up because that's how he is, not because of evil intent.

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All that being said, I'm surprised the upswell of "Dan O is great" isn't tempered somewhat by the Sage experience which started out much the same.

HOU-TEX
05-28-2009, 03:35 PM
That is one viewpoint, and I personally give it about a 50% chance of being true. He might have put himself ahead of the team. However, I'm not a mind reader so I think there is another, equally likely, scenario.

Sage seems to be an all out, damn the torpedos type of player. Wasn't it him that amazed us all with his speed when he took off after a guy trying to return a field goal? He hustled to his own detriment that day. I think his approach to the game as I've described is evidence by his periods of high productivity intermingled with bad play. In other words, I think he screwed up because that's how he is, not because of evil intent.

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All that being said, I'm surprised the upswell of "Dan O is great" isn't tempered somewhat by the Sage experience which started out much the same.

True, it's all in the eyes of the beholder. It just seemed selfish to me considering the game was well in hand. Plus, it wasn't just the copter play. There was also the 20 yard roll out to the left, stopping and getting the ball knocked out resulting in a TD.

I don't think you were referring to me about Dan O, but I think he's a project player for Kubiak. I think he obviously see a lot of upside in Dan considering his contract numbers. I'll take the "wait and see" on him too. Except hoping the "see" is in preseason only.

Ckw
05-28-2009, 04:48 PM
I really think the only reason Shanny said this was to give Schaub even more confidence. Just watch the games and you will see that Orlovsky has a much stronger arm than Schaub.

CloakNNNdagger
05-28-2009, 05:10 PM
Right.

So if Schaub doesn't have a cannon for an arm and lil Shanny says that Dan-O's arm is like Schaubs.....

then we don't have a 6'-5" laser rocket armed QB despite what the Hartford Courant says.

And, if anything, we have a backup with a "good but not great" arm with accuracy issues that stem from bad footwork?

SI Draft Profile: (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2005/draft/players/57595.html)
BIO: Passing numbers included 63 percent/3,354/23/15 as a senior after 62.5 percent/3,485/33/14 the prior year. Totaled seven 300-yards games the past two seasons.

POSITIVES: Well-sized pocket passer with a big arm and solid intangibles. Sets up with solid footwork, displays good pocket stature and patiently waits for receivers to come open. Sells the ball fakes, possesses a quick release and zips the outs. Leads wideouts or hits them in stride over the middle and displays solid timing on the outs. Goes to the safety outlet if nothing is available downfield. Commands the offense and does not make poor choices. Senses the rush, stepping up to avoid defenders. Powers the ball over the middle and places it where only his receivers can make the reception.

NEGATIVES: Slow setting up in the pocket. Steps out of throws, which adversely affects his accuracy. Directs his passes and gets wild at times. Not always poised under pressure. Gathers before releasing the ball. Must improve his downfield accuracy. Performed poorly at the Senior Bowl and was worse at the Combine.

ANALYSIS: Productive throughout his college career, Orlovsky possesses the size, arm strength, and intangibles to develop into a starting quarterback at the next level. Needs to brush up the fundamentals and quickly get his game back on track. A solid late-round pick who can develop on a practice squad or in NFL Europe.

PROJECTION: Late Fifth Round

Most of his negatives can be attributed to poor foot work, which as previously stated, is what Kubiak has focused upon right off the bat.

CloakNNNdagger
05-29-2009, 01:28 PM
This morning on 610, I caught a segment where Brooke Bentley was reviewing OTAs. When the subject came up of Orlovsky, she said: "He's huge!........and, boy, what a big arm he has!"