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steelbtexan
05-07-2009, 07:03 PM
I would offer Denver a 4th rd pick for Hillis at the end of training camp.

If we made a trade for Hillis what player/draft pick would you give up for him?

Denver needs a SAM, I would trade Diles for Hillis at the end of traning camp after Diles proves he's healthy. I think this would be a fair trade. They should have comparable contracts.

Kubes said he wanted to keep 6 LB's.

They could keep

Will- Adibi, June Mike- Ryans, Bentley Sam- Cushing, Thompson

Bentley can also play the SAM.

This would give the Texans enough depth at LB, They could afford to trade Diles to get much needed help at RB position.

TheRealJoker
05-07-2009, 07:19 PM
I would offer Denver a 4th rd pick for Hillis at the end of training camp.

If we made a trade for Hillis what player/draft pick would you give up for him?

Denver needs a SAM, I would trade Diles for Hillis at the end of traning camp after Diles proves he's healthy. I think this would be a fair trade. They should have comparable contracts.

No way we trade Diles for Hillis. Diles is gonna be a special teams ace and the backup SAM/Mike. Hillis may be a good fit here but not at the cost of giving up valuable depth on defense and a special teams ace.

whiskeyrbl
05-07-2009, 07:36 PM
No way we trade Diles for Hillis. Diles is gonna be a special teams ace and the backup SAM/Mike. Hillis may be a good fit here but not at the cost of giving up valuable depth on defense and a special teams ace.

Give them Jacoby and a 6th.

D-Frank
05-07-2009, 08:27 PM
give away Diles? cush aint gonna run away with the sam without a BIG fight from Diles, and considering cush health probs we WILL need Diles, one of if not our BEST LB. oh, and frank bush said cato got the will spot sowed up, cush, adibi, diles gonna battle for sam

for hillis i would give them jacoby and a 6th like he said^

CloakNNNdagger
05-07-2009, 09:49 PM
Although I am not very impressed with the new Denver Brain Trust, if they go the way of the Pats, he will want to hang on to Hillis, not as much as an RB, but as a proven FB. I hope we find some way to make a convincing argument to McDaniels that Hillis has a severe case of malignant. likely incurable, contagious "Jock and Hand Disease"...............and he should be allowed his last remaining days on earth to be spent in proximity to the Houston Medical Center.

RipTraxx
05-07-2009, 09:58 PM
give away Diles? cush aint gonna run away with the sam without a BIG fight from Diles, and considering cush health probs we WILL need Diles, one of if not our BEST LB. oh, and frank bush said cato got the will spot sowed up, cush, adibi, diles gonna battle for sam

for hillis i would give them jacoby and a 6th like he said^

In the Draft Pass thingy?

DiehardChris
05-07-2009, 10:43 PM
give away Diles? cush aint gonna run away with the sam without a BIG fight from Diles, and considering cush health probs we WILL need Diles, one of if not our BEST LB. oh, and frank bush said cato got the will spot sowed up, cush, adibi, diles gonna battle for sam

Wait, what? Can you find where he said that? Are you sure he didn't mean sewed up in the sense that that's the side he's going to play on, but not necessarily the starter?

That's not really how the Texans have handled it in the past... sign a FA and immediately give him the starting spot when the previous starter is still on the roster?

DiehardChris
05-07-2009, 10:49 PM
As to the original post - I think we'd be nuts to give up Diles.

I don't think Diles is Lawrence Taylor or anything - but championship teams have good depth. Having Diles move to a backup (if that's what happens) isn't anything but a GOOD thing. Our starter at SAM - who played well last year - would be the backup? That's good for the team. Not so great for Zac, but good for the team.

If there's a player's name to bring up as far as trades go, I think it would be David Anderson. The Broncos obviously already showed interest earlier, and while I like him, he's replaceable. More so than Diles, anyway.

I still think it's very unlikely that we make any deals with Denver for players. If anything, it will be picks.

TheRealJoker
05-07-2009, 10:50 PM
I read the draft pass interview. He spoke very complementary of June and said that he will play him at the WILL but he did NOT anoint him as the starter.

DiehardChris
05-07-2009, 10:56 PM
I read the draft pass interview. He spoke very complementary of June and said that he will play him at the WILL but he did NOT anoint him as the starter.

Yeah, that's what I thought... assuming that's where D-Frank also got his info from. He's a lock to play on that side, but not as the starter... which considering his size and our system, is actually not saying anything revealing at all.

infantrycak
05-07-2009, 11:09 PM
give away Diles? cush aint gonna run away with the sam without a BIG fight from Diles, and considering cush health probs we WILL need Diles, one of if not our BEST LB. oh, and frank bush said cato got the will spot sowed up, cush, adibi, diles gonna battle for sam

for hillis i would give them jacoby and a 6th like he said^

No he did not AT ALL. Bush said they would start as in the first place they would try him out would be at Will and he would provide competition for Adibi. The start at will comment was in the context of Cato having started at both OLB spots in the past, not as in on the depth chart starter.

mexican_texan
05-08-2009, 12:07 AM
I don't get the fascination with Hillis. Denver had 3 guys on their roster I'd rather have at RB and I don't think he brings anything to the table Casey doesn't do better.

DiehardChris
05-08-2009, 12:12 AM
I don't get the fascination with Hillis. Denver had 3 guys on their roster I'd rather have at RB and I don't think he brings anything to the table Casey doesn't do better.

He's almost TOO big, at 240. The guy I want is Torain - above Selvin, Hillis or any other RB on Denver's roster.

Too bad he's coming off an ACL tear, though.

Texecutioner
05-08-2009, 12:33 AM
I don't get the fascination with Hillis. Denver had 3 guys on their roster I'd rather have at RB and I don't think he brings anything to the table Casey doesn't do better.

You clearly haven't watched the guy at all, because you've been bashing the guy for quite some time now. There is nothing to say that Casey will be a guy that is capable of carrying the ball 20 times a game like Hillis has proven that he could. Hillis has also proven that he is very good in the passing game. It's funny how so many people in here are already acting like Casey is the next Mike Alstott already without him even playing a down yet. Now I'm excited about seeing what Casey can do and all as well, but all this "Casey can do this, and Casey can do that" stuff has gotten pretty over the top in my opinion when the guy hasn't even hit camp yet.

Hillis is a proven player that has already shown toughness, grit, and the ability to be a very versatile player.

mexican_texan
05-08-2009, 12:44 AM
You clearly haven't watched the guy at all, because you've been bashing the guy for quite some time now. There is nothing to say that Casey will be a guy that is capable of carrying the ball 20 times a game like Hillis has proven that he could. Hillis has also proven that he is very good in the passing game. It's funny how so many people in here are already acting like Casey is the next Mike Alstott already without him even playing a down yet. Now I'm excited about seeing what Casey can do and all as well, but all this "Casey can do this, and Casey can do that" stuff has gotten pretty over the top in my opinion when the guy hasn't even hit camp yet.

Hillis is a proven player that has already shown toughness, grit, and the ability to be a very versatile player.
I watched one of the Denver game he was in, he was in what, three? And that makes him established? Wali Lundy had a few good games too. I just wasn't impressed by Hillis any more than Heath Evans. Just because I don't love the guy like everyone else doesn't mean I bash him.

Texecutioner
05-08-2009, 12:50 AM
I watched one of the Denver game he was in, he was in what, three? And that makes him established? Wali Lundy had a few good games too. I just wasn't impressed by Hillis any more than Heath Evans. Just because I don't love the guy like everyone else doesn't mean I bash him.

YOu compared him to wali Lundi before and now you've mentioned him in the same post again. He isn't anything like Lundi at all, and that is pretty much an insult to the guy. Denver fans absolutely loved the guy last season. He played in 3 straight games where he carried their team's running game before getting hurt and showed a lot of skills in the passing game. Hell his first game where he got some real playing time he had over 100 yards receiving. He may not be a flashy guy, but he is a nice utility type of back that can do a lot besides just running the ball and could be a nice guy to have at FB as well.

mexican_texan
05-08-2009, 12:56 AM
YOu compared him to wali Lundi before and now you've mentioned him in the same post again. He isn't anything like Lundi at all, and that is pretty much an insult to the guy. Denver fans absolutely loved the guy last season. He played in 3 straight games where he carried their team's running game before getting hurt and showed a lot of skills in the passing game. Hell his first game where he got some real playing time he had over 100 yards receiving. He may not be a flashy guy, but he is a nice utility type of back that can do a lot besides just running the ball and could be a nice guy to have at FB as well.
No, I didn't. I'm sure what I said will hit you sooner or later, especially considering what you just said.

Mari-OWNED!
05-08-2009, 05:31 AM
The Broncos wanted David Anderson. No offense to Anderson, but I would trade him and a 6th for Peyton Hillis.

Mari-OWNED!
05-08-2009, 05:41 AM
The guy I want is Torain

Too bad he's coming off an ACL tear, though.

Just out of curiosity, why? Torain from a measurables standpoint seems pretty solid at 6'1" 225 lbs.

But he only had 15 carries in the NFL before he got injured, and I didn't follow him in his college days, so I'm not too sure about him...

Blake
05-08-2009, 07:49 AM
So let me get this straight. We have Slaton, Moats, Brown, Johnson and Foster on the roster right now, and people want to trade away draft picks, Diles or Jacoby for another running back? Even if he is that much better than our current stable of running backs im not trading draft picks or Diles. Jacoby has some downfalls but he is an explosive player who I would hate to lose or even worse cut.

I'm good.

Hooston Texan
05-08-2009, 09:30 AM
So let me get this straight. We have Slaton, Moats, Brown, Johnson and Foster on the roster right now, and people want to trade away draft picks, Diles or Jacoby for another running back? Even if he is that much better than our current stable of running backs im not trading draft picks or Diles. Jacoby has some downfalls but he is an explosive player who I would hate to lose or even worse cut.

I'm good.

Let me rephrase for you: we have Slaton, a guy who's been cut by two other teams (including the RB-starved Cardinals), a guy who makes Bennie Joppru look durable and two rookie UDFAs.

Hillis is a strong back who can play both TB and FB. He can catch the ball and he can block--admittedly not nearly like Leach can--so he can backup two different spots on our roster. He's played in the exact system we run. Plus, he's a low-mileage guy since he spent most of his college career behind one of the greatest tailback duo's we've seen in a long, long time (though his coach did everything he could to get him involved in the offense).

It's all about the price, of course. I'd trade Jacoby in a heartbeat, but that's probably because his trade value is only marginally better than mine right now. Diles is trickier, but I'm not sure he's a guy that a 3-4 team would want. Anderson clearly has value for Denver since they signed him to an offer sheet, but we don't have another slot receiver. So I'd definitely deal a pick. A fourth is a no-brainer to me.

All of this presupposes that Hillis is healthy. If he's not yet recovered from his injury, all bets are off.

HOU-TEX
05-08-2009, 09:38 AM
You clearly haven't watched the guy at all, because you've been bashing the guy for quite some time now. There is nothing to say that Casey will be a guy that is capable of carrying the ball 20 times a game like Hillis has proven that he could. Hillis has also proven that he is very good in the passing game. It's funny how so many people in here are already acting like Casey is the next Mike Alstott already without him even playing a down yet. Now I'm excited about seeing what Casey can do and all as well, but all this "Casey can do this, and Casey can do that" stuff has gotten pretty over the top in my opinion when the guy hasn't even hit camp yet.

Hillis is a proven player that has already shown toughness, grit, and the ability to be a very versatile player.

*Sigh* Not that I really want to go into this again, but Hillis hasn't proven jack squat.

Hillis has carried the ball 20 or more in 1 game. Is that proven? He's carried the ball in 7 games in his career. Is that proven? IIRC, he shredded his knee in week 14 and didn't even finish the season. Is that proven?

Look, I know you like the guy and that's cool, but let's not give him the proven tag when he hasn't done diddly. He might end up being a badass, but presently, he is not.

whiskeyrbl
05-08-2009, 09:47 AM
So let me get this straight. We have Slaton, Moats, Brown, Johnson and Foster on the roster right now, and people want to trade away draft picks, Diles or Jacoby for another running back? Even if he is that much better than our current stable of running backs im not trading draft picks or Diles. Jacoby has some downfalls but he is an explosive player who I would hate to lose or even worse cut.

I'm good.
But we do have Brice McCain who can be as or more explosive than Jacoby.

CloakNNNdagger
05-08-2009, 09:49 AM
Let me rephrase for you: we have Slaton, a guy who's been cut by two other teams (including the RB-starved Cardinals), a guy who makes Bennie Joppru look durable and two rookie UDFAs.

Hillis is a strong back who can play both TB and FB. He can catch the ball and he can block--admittedly not nearly like Leach can--so he can backup two different spots on our roster. He's played in the exact system we run. Plus, he's a low-mileage guy since he spent most of his college career behind one of the greatest tailback duo's we've seen in a long, long time (though his coach did everything he could to get him involved in the offense).

It's all about the price, of course. I'd trade Jacoby in a heartbeat, but that's probably because his trade value is only marginally better than mine right now. Diles is trickier, but I'm not sure he's a guy that a 3-4 team would want. Anderson clearly has value for Denver since they signed him to an offer sheet, but we don't have another slot receiver. So I'd definitely deal a pick. A fourth is a no-brainer to me.

All of this presupposes that Hillis is healthy. If he's not yet recovered from his injury, all bets are off.


disregard/error in posting

infantrycak
05-08-2009, 10:09 AM
Diles is trickier, but I'm not sure he's a guy that a 3-4 team would want.

Diles would be a good ILB - remember he was a MLB who moved outside to SLB.

BigBull17
05-08-2009, 11:07 AM
Diles would be a good ILB - remember he was a MLB who moved outside to SLB.

He fits rather well in the middle. I expect to see him back up Demeco in the middle this year. Maybe OLB if there is an injury.

Texecutioner
05-08-2009, 12:07 PM
*Sigh* Not that I really want to go into this again, but Hillis hasn't proven jack squat.

Hillis has carried the ball 20 or more in 1 game. Is that proven? He's carried the ball in 7 games in his career. Is that proven? IIRC, he shredded his knee in week 14 and didn't even finish the season. Is that proven?

Look, I know you like the guy and that's cool, but let's not give him the proven tag when he hasn't done diddly. He might end up being a badass, but presently, he is not.

YOu keep saying this as well, but he proved that he was the most solid consistent runner that Denver had all season last year and their offense got a lot more efficient when Hillis got in there. Ask any hard core Denver fan (People that actually watched him) how they feel about Hillis and they'll tell you how solid he played for them. He constantly got positive gains and was hard to take down. He scored TD's in every game where he got significant playing time.

You're only knock on him that you have is that he didn't play that long, but so what every time he did he played very well, so basically you've got nothing. I'll take a guy who is a solid bruiser up the middle and can play FB, and can play well in the passing game any freaking day of the week. Hillis has proven that he can do all of that despite what you continue to claim.

I don't think that we're going to get him though. At this point, I think that Mcdaniels wants to hold on to Hillis unfortunately.

HOU-TEX
05-08-2009, 01:06 PM
I reckon we differ on the definition of proven.

Meh, agree to disagree, again.

Blake
05-08-2009, 01:23 PM
I reckon we differ on the definition of proven.

Meh, agree to disagree, again.

Agreed. A proven player has more than 7 games under his belt and has made it out of 1 NFL season without a serious knee injury.

Switching gears.

Ryan Moats (5-8, 210) did well playing behind Slaton last season. Chris Brown (6-3, 220) would be ideal because he’s familiar with the system but is injured a lot. He spent last season on injured reserve.
“I like both of them,” offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan said. “If Chris can stay healthy, I feel very good about it (running back situation). He’s healthy now, and we’re counting on him. I expect a lot out of Chris this year." LINK (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6402464.html)


So until Brown or Moats go down, then there will be no reason to look at bringing in running backs. And even then we might have hit on Foster or Johnson. You never know.

Ole Miss Texan
05-08-2009, 01:41 PM
My goodness, I would love to add Peyton Hillis to this team. I truly think that he is the perfect compliment to Slaton. The two of them would be a deadly combination together.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSjDe0WDuCg

He catches the ball out of the backfield like a TE, he runs like a RB and he hits like a LB. I don't know much about his blocking but I suspect it's better than Brown, Moats, Johnson and Foster. The only thing that worries me is that he's coming off injury but reports are that he's about fully recovered and doesn't have any problems.

For everyone that has been clamoring for a big bruising short yardage back... this is the guy. On top of that though, he's a complete player and not one deminsional. And he fits PERFECTLY in our system where it's one cut and go.

Onto trading for him. I highly doubt Denver gets rid of him. They wanted David Anderson previously so I'd give him up. They did get some WR's though so their desire for DA may not be there anymore. I think James Casey could fill in DA's role just fine but I don't see Casey ever being our long term solution at RB2 that Hillis would be. I don't really want to give up Diles. I'd give up Anderson over Jacoby because Casey could slide in just fine.

Texecutioner
05-08-2009, 02:51 PM
Agreed. A proven player has more than 7 games under his belt and has made it out of 1 NFL season without a serious knee injury.

Switching gears.

Ryan Moats (5-8, 210) did well playing behind Slaton last season. Chris Brown (6-3, 220) would be ideal because hes familiar with the system but is injured a lot. He spent last season on injured reserve.
I like both of them, offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan said. If Chris can stay healthy, I feel very good about it (running back situation). Hes healthy now, and were counting on him. I expect a lot out of Chris this year." LINK (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6402464.html)


So until Brown or Moats go down, then there will be no reason to look at bringing in running backs. And even then we might have hit on Foster or Johnson. You never know.

Dude anyone thinking Chris Brown is going to to any damage after all of his injuries and disappointments is off the wall and that includes Kyle Shanahan if he said that. I just lost a lot of confidence in Kyle Shanahan if he truly thinks that Brown can be counted on for this season. That is the same garbage he thought before with Green and Brown. I don't understand at all how Brown is even on this team at all.

CloakNNNdagger
05-08-2009, 03:43 PM
Dude anyone thinking Chris Brown is going to to any damage after all of his injuries and disappointments is off the wall and that includes Kyle Shanahan if he said that. I just lost a lot of confidence in Kyle Shanahan if he truly thinks that Brown can be counted on for this season. That is the same garbage he thought before with Green and Brown. I don't understand at all how Brown is even on this team at all.

I have serious doubts that Shanahan even now has much to say as to personel, even though he is the OC. JMHO.

Polo
05-08-2009, 03:53 PM
I wouldn't give up anything for him. Not a pick nor player.

If they cut hit though I'd be all over him.

I'm not sure though that he is that much better than what we have on the roster to warrant trading a guy whos a solid contributor..

otisbean
05-08-2009, 04:35 PM
Would love to have him on the roster, though I wouldn't trade Diles to get him. He and Slaton would be an excellent tandem. I would trade Jacoby or Andersen though.

Texecutioner
05-08-2009, 05:00 PM
I don't think Hillis is going to be released at all so that won't even be an option.

THe only way that anyone gets Hillis is if they offer something for him, and that's up to the Texans at this point. I don't think they'll be offering anything for him either.

Hillis will most likely stay a Bronco.