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drewmar74
05-06-2009, 10:46 AM
muwaahahahahahah!

Tony Dungy? Gone! Now - Howard Mudd? Gone! The article mentions that the same pension changes that have prompted Mudd to retire could make Tom Moore do the same.

link (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4143964)

The only assistant coaching tandem that Peyton Manning has ever known in the NFL is on the verge of a break-up because of a recent change in the league's pension program for non-playing personnel.

Offensive line coach Howard Mudd has informed the Colts he is planning to retire immediately because of the pension-plan changes, according to team and league sources.

Mudd has served as the Colts line coach for 12 years with Tom Moore as offensive coordinator under two head coaches, Jim Mora and Tony Dungy, who retired in January. Manning has been the quarterback for 11 of those 12 years, having been drafted a year after they arrived in Indianapolis, and has credited the Moore/Mudd pairing as vital to both the team's success and his own elite status.

The Colts have allowed the fewest sacks during Mudd's 12 seasons, with just 218 sacks allowed in 182 games, including just 14 in 585 pass attempts in 2008.

Mudd could not be reached for comment, but sources indicated it is almost a certainty that he is stepping down and that assistant line coach Pete Metzelaars will assume his duties.

CloakNNNdagger
05-06-2009, 11:09 AM
muwaahahahahahah!

Tony Dungy? Gone! Now - Howard Mudd? Gone! The article mentions that the same pension changes that have prompted Mudd to retire could make Tom Moore do the same.

link (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4143964)

The only assistant coaching tandem that Peyton Manning has ever known in the NFL is on the verge of a break-up because of a recent change in the league's pension program for non-playing personnel.

Offensive line coach Howard Mudd has informed the Colts he is planning to retire immediately because of the pension-plan changes, according to team and league sources.

Mudd has served as the Colts line coach for 12 years with Tom Moore as offensive coordinator under two head coaches, Jim Mora and Tony Dungy, who retired in January. Manning has been the quarterback for 11 of those 12 years, having been drafted a year after they arrived in Indianapolis, and has credited the Moore/Mudd pairing as vital to both the team's success and his own elite status.

The Colts have allowed the fewest sacks during Mudd's 12 seasons, with just 218 sacks allowed in 182 games, including just 14 in 585 pass attempts in 2008.

Mudd could not be reached for comment, but sources indicated it is almost a certainty that he is stepping down and that assistant line coach Pete Metzelaars will assume his duties.

First the D, now the O. Manning will be shopping for a set of new legs and a Kevlar uniform. I also expect that under the center's QB towel, there will be a hidden stun gun that he grabs with the ball in his drop backs, in an attempt to keep the Texans D from closing his coffin.

Goldensilence
05-06-2009, 11:44 AM
Until Peyton Manning hangs up the cleats this is going to still be a really tough team to beat. This team still finished last year's regular seasson with what 8 straight wins or something?

I'm not underestimating the loss of Tony Dungy's leadership or what effect Mudd leaving will have on the team. Peyton is just that good and last year they pciked up Mike Pollack and Steve Justice on the interior. This year they got two DT's Terrance Taylor and Fili Moala to go o nthe other side with re-signed Ed Johnson. I'm not even going into the nightmare that they might've picked up the best back in the draft as well, in Donald Brown.

Guess I'm really just hoping that yes all this does distract or detract from the team overall. Honestly I see us battling it out for a season split but that won't be easy. I'd love to see us go 4-2 in the division. I think that's a possibility but realistically my head says we'll be lucky to get 3-3. We need to go at leat 3-3 to have a shot at the playoffs.

CloakNNNdagger
05-06-2009, 12:00 PM
Peyton, as it is, is as mobile as a moose in wet cement. If, because of the current events, the Colts Oline experiences any disconnect (which is a definite possibility), Peyton will be just like a moose in dried cement.

Thorn
05-06-2009, 12:17 PM
The Colts have to start going down sometime. No team can stay on top forever.

Polo
05-06-2009, 12:32 PM
I think that as long as Peyton is with the Colts they will be a good team. They probably will start to lack in other areas, but I believe that teams with the best QB's will always be contenders...

HOU-TEX
05-06-2009, 04:18 PM
Peyton, as it is, is as mobile as a moose in wet cement. If, because of the current events, the Colts Oline experiences any disconnect (which is a definite possibility), Peyton will be just like a moose in dried cement.

I think Manning is the one that makes his Oline look good by knowing when and where to go with the ball ASAP. In other words, he's the antonym of David Carr.

drewmar74
05-06-2009, 04:21 PM
I think Manning is the one that makes his Oline look good by knowing when and where to go with the ball ASAP. In other words, he's the antonym of David Carr.

Some of that is true. But he's not perfect and we've all seen the games when PM starts getting hit early. That happens and he gets happy feet - his game goes waaaaay downhill.

O line coaching goes down in quality, Peyton gets hit more, his effectiveness wanes.....

That's what I'm hoping for, anyway.

*and you're 100% correct on the David Carr thing

HOU-TEX
05-06-2009, 04:31 PM
Some of that is true. But he's not perfect and we've all seen the games when PM starts getting hit early. That happens and he gets happy feet - his game goes waaaaay downhill.

O line coaching goes down in quality, Peyton gets hit more, his effectiveness wanes.....

That's what I'm hoping for, anyway.

*and you're 100% correct on the David Carr thing

Sure, he's not perfect. But I think knows what the defense is going to do just as well as the defense does. He does seem to struggle against quality 3-4 defenses though. *hint hint, nudge nudge*

drewmar74
05-06-2009, 04:37 PM
Sure, he's not perfect. But I think knows what the defense is going to do just as well as the defense does. He does seem to struggle against quality 3-4 defenses though. *hint hint, nudge nudge*

No doubt.

NE, PIT, and SD all give him fits.....

Common denominator on those D's is what?

Vinny
05-07-2009, 11:28 AM
I think Manning is the one that makes his Oline look good by knowing when and where to go with the ball ASAP. In other words, he's the antonym of David Carr.
yep, he's this generation's Dan Marino.

Goldensilence
05-07-2009, 11:41 AM
No doubt.

NE, PIT, and SD all give him fits.....

Common denominator on those D's is what?


They find ways to create pressure and Lbers can cover the middle of the field which makes it harder for him to check down when Wayne is covered down field.


yep, he's this generation's Dan Marino.

Except with a ring.

Texans_Chick
05-07-2009, 11:57 AM
yep, he's this generation's Dan Marino.

Decline of the Colts? Ha. Dude got into the playoffs with injuries to himself and his line, a crap running game and a crap defense. Manning has a pact with the devil.

I bet the Colts don't start totally declining until he decides to retire. (I was going to use the word "sucking" instead of "declining" but realized that would be inaccurate as the Colts do suck no matter what their win-loss record.)

drewmar74
05-07-2009, 03:13 PM
They find ways to create pressure and Lbers can cover the middle of the field which makes it harder for him to check down when Wayne is covered down field.

All three run 3-4 defenses, too.


I bet the Colts don't start totally declining until he decides to retire. (I was going to use the word "sucking" instead of "declining" but realized that would be inaccurate as the Colts do suck no matter what their win-loss record.)

*golf clap*

drewmar74
05-14-2009, 12:45 PM
Looks like their losing Howard Mudd and Tom Moore. Damn, damn shame.

link (http://www.indystar.com/article/20090514/SPORTS03/905140434/1004/SPORTS)

link 2 (http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/)

Now that it appears that both Colts offensive line coach Howard Mudd and Colts offensive coordinator Tom Moore will be retiring, we want to look at the situation more broadly.

Why, when the Colts have yet to even announce that they will be opting out of the league’s current pension plan, are Mudd and Moore packing it in?

Both men already were teetering on the edge of calling it quits in once former head coach Tony Dungy retired and Jim Caldwell took over. G.M. Bill Polian reportedly talked Mudd and Moore into sticking around.

So maybe they did so reluctantly. And maybe they thereafter didn’t appreciate the fact that Caldwell ran off defensive coordinator Ron Meeks and special teams coordinator Russ Purnell. And maybe the power Caldwell now holds has gotten to his head. And then maybe the league’s decision to allow individual teams to opt out of the league-run pension plan gave Mudd and Moore cover for changing their minds while at the same time coming off as martyrs to the public — and as a couple of Norma Raes to their colleagues.

We’re floating this possibility because, quite simply, it makes no sense for Mudd and Moore to walk away before the Colts have made any decisions about what they plan to do regarding the pension-plan situation. It’s possible, of course, that they’ve told the Colts they’ll stay for 2009 if they receive an assurance that the Colts won’t opt out of the league-run plan, or that they’ll receive additional compensation from the Colts to offset the losses arises from any changes that the Colts make.

Bottom line? We think that this issue runs deeper than changes to a pension plan that the Colts haven’t even made yet. And we think it’s in neither the coaches’ interest nor the team’s interest for the full story to come out.

UPDATE: We’re collecting more information about this whole pension issue. It’s very complex. For Mudd and Moore, the decision apparently isn’t being driven by what the Colts plan to do with respect to the pension plan, but by the potential impact of other teams pulling out of the plan on the ability of the coaches over the age of 65 to maximize their benefits. Still, there is a feeling in some league circles that this situation runs deeper than pension issues, and that if the Colts (and, specifically, Jim Caldwell) wanted to keep Moore and Mudd, the team would find a way to work it out.

Hervoyel
05-14-2009, 05:06 PM
I think Manning is the one that makes his Oline look good by knowing when and where to go with the ball ASAP. In other words, he's the antonym of David Carr.


Yeah. It's a little known fact that before every home game Peyton goes into a small closet down at the bottom of the stadium, lights a candle, stares into a mirror, and said "Rrac Divad" three times while burning incense and waving his hand over a football. He was told to do this when he was a child by an old gypsy woman and the reason why it works didn't come to him until he saw David Carr start against San Diego in 2002.

Then everything became clear to him.

steelbtexan
05-14-2009, 09:49 PM
I guess Saint Dungy retired for a reason.


Teflon Tony

drewmar74
05-15-2009, 09:33 AM
per PFT, Moore and Mudd are retired.

link (http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/)

DBCooper
05-15-2009, 02:51 PM
Peyton Manning is an offensive coordinator in the huddle.

It just might make him even more unpredictable.

Texecutioner
05-15-2009, 03:02 PM
I think that as long as Peyton is with the Colts they will be a good team. They probably will start to lack in other areas, but I believe that teams with the best QB's will always be contenders...

Can't argue with that one bit. You have either have a good QB in this league or you don't. I expect the Colts to be a great team as long as he's around. It would be nice to see him catch an injury at some point though. Geez, that guy never goes down.

CloakNNNdagger
05-16-2009, 08:11 PM
Unionization is being considered........and challenged by the NFL. All of this has the potential for creating one big mess.

“The NFL owners say that there’s no way we could become a union because we’re managers and supervisors, which is one of the definitions of people who can’t become a part of a union,” Kennan said. “But if we’re managers and supervisors, why aren’t they keeping us in the loop on all these changes that [has been made to] the pension and all that stuff? Why don’t they talk to us about it beforehand? They obviously haven’t done that so we aren’t supervisors or managers.”

It’s an interesting question — is it enough to manage or supervise players, or are coaches exempt from unionization only if they manage or supervise other coaches?

Regardless of whether the assistants ever try to organize, Kennan seems to think that many of them will decide that working at the college level is preferred.

“[C]ollege coaching is a much better quality of life in terms of hours spent and living conditions and all that than the NFL is,” Kennan said. “There’s going to be a number of coaches over the next two or three years who leave the NFL to coach in college because of this pension issue.”

Kennan also shared his views on whether it was necessary to make changes to the pension system.

“All the information we have says that the owners are making huge amounts of profit,” Kennan said. “And for them to do this, particularly with no advance warning, it makes no sense. It leads me to believe that it was maybe a knee-jerk reaction to the economy and also maybe it was a strategy to deal with the negotiations they’re getting ready to do with the players and the lockout that the owners are talking about.”

As to the recent retirement of Colts assistants Howard Mudd and Tom Moore, Kennan tried to suggest that the moves arose solely from the pension issue. But Kennan’s words continue to make us think that Mudd wasn’t facing the kind of immediate threat to his money that has been described in some media accounts.

“They are retiring strictly because of the underfunding of the pension and the changes in the pension,” Kennan said. “What Howard said to me was, ‘I can’t trust the NFL to not do something again next year. I need to get my money and get out of the league.’”

This seems to imply that, for this year, Mudd and Moore wouldn’t have suffered any adverse consequences.

Regardless of whether and to what extent the issue will cause actual financial hardship in 2009, enough of the assistant coaches are upset to indicate that it will continue to be a source of friction — and it could mean that college programs will be able to beef up their staffs during the next hiring cycle.

LINK (http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/05/16/larry-kennan-says-that-unionization-of-assistant-coaches-is-possible/)

TimeKiller
05-18-2009, 03:44 PM
According to this report Peyton Manning has been given the offensive co-ordinator job, as well as O-line coach, QB coach all while remaining in his usual QB position.

www.clickhereifyoudon'tunderstandsarcasm.com

HoustonFrog
05-21-2009, 03:45 PM
Moore and Mudd are back as consultants

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4193713

The Colts apparently will benefit from the influence of longtime assistants Tom Moore and Howard Mudd this season, after all. However, this time they will fill roles as consultants

Colts owner Jim Irsay said at the NFL's spring owners meetings Wednesday that he planned to bring Moore and Mudd back in consultant roles.

"We don't have any signed agreements, but I do believe all parties feel Tom and Howard would play significant roles for us moving forward and they would be consultants,'' Irsay said in a telephone interview with The Indianapolis Star. "They not only would be a major part of what we're trying to do in '09, but they'd continue to mentor and tutor some of the other coaches.''