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texansfan4life
01-24-2005, 03:07 PM
Ok, i think the texans should draft a running back. This years draft is loaded at running back position. and if they don't draft a running back early they will be crazy. if the texans can't get derrick johnson or an impact defensive player they would be crazy not to draft or trade up for a real running back. I know D.D. is the running back now but look at what happen when he was hurt j wells is a back up running back and that it ,tony hollings is always hurt. free agent running back will be hot this yr u have the edge that will possibly leave the colts shaun alexander may lv the hawks and the bengals back want a new contract. This would put the texans in excellent positon to have the impact running back that tehy wanted when willis magahee got hurt remember D.D is the running back to take us some where deep into playoffs i want c bendson or jj arington or one off the boys from auburn

texansfan4life
01-24-2005, 03:23 PM
the texans should trade up for our new earl campbell c bendson, that way we can run the ball all day and take the conservative approcach any one been to a game know the texans like the run. why not trade up for baby earl and get what u need the rest of the draft dom likes to run run run so why not have a back that can do it D.D. failed to rush for long runs he had only one this year and it took him like week 13 to have a long run. so you people think we are weak in other areas we are but since this yr draft is set for a flood of running backs we need to get a back then after that go get what ever we need by free agent or draft

Blake
01-24-2005, 03:25 PM
There are more urgent needs than RB. I like DD and Wells. And we can get a quality back in the 4th round, like Cedric Houston from Tenn, or Clarett, J.J. Arrington from Cal, Kay-Jay Harris, and many more good backs.

texansfan4life
01-24-2005, 03:33 PM
the texans need to trade up and get baby earl c benson they like to run the ball to much and D.D got his thousand yards but he gets hurt to much his fisrt two yrs in the league he has been out with this or that then he comes on strong when other teams have nothing to play for if u really like the texans and has been to every game like i have the texans had the lowest avg run per carry in the league. it took them 14 games to have a run over 20 yrds duh and u like DD go look at the stats per rush tell me what u think

texansfan4life
01-24-2005, 03:46 PM
if any one notice the texans where one of the lostest rushing teams per attempt last year i spoke to the caoch about this on one of his talk shows the texans fail to have a long run of more than twenty yards until like week 13 and most fans are sold old dd i must say when will you wake up and smell the coffee in regards to we need a real running back until then u and i both will be at games wondering what happen again in 05 the texans like to run the ball until we make an hionest attempt to get a real running back we will continue to loss close ball games

jacquescas
01-24-2005, 04:05 PM
alot of that has to due with our offensive line, they didn't get it together until later in the season.

Blake
01-24-2005, 04:21 PM
but since this yr draft is set for a flood of running backs we need to get a back then after that go get what ever we need by free agent or draft

So let me get this straight. You are saying that since there are soooo many backs in this years draft that we need to trade away our 2nd and 3rd round picks for a chance to select Benson, instead of getting a good runner in the 3rd round?

Make some sense.

Fiddy
01-24-2005, 04:23 PM
Disclaimer: I had nothing to do with the starting of this thread.

I wouldnt mind that brusier out of Louisville (I think he is from Louisville) or even JJ Arrington from Cal in a later round to pair with Davis....

infantrycak
01-24-2005, 04:24 PM
the texans need to trade up and get baby earl c benson

Fine to have whatever opinion you want, but there is a snowball's chance of the Texans trading up for a RB so get ready for disappointment. Odds are good though that they take a big back on the 2nd day looking for a complimentary pounder to go with DD--see Ronnie Brown (1st round but maybe available without trading up), Eric Shelton, Kay Jay Harris, Brandon Jacobs.

it took them 14 games to have a run over 20 yrds duh and u like DD go look at the stats per rush tell me what u think

Actually DD had a run over 20 in the 11th game and finished with 5--same number Clinton Portis finished the year with. Guess the Skins should be drafting a 1st round RB as well. As for DD's ypc, try looking what happened when the OL starting blocking--November 4.2 ypc, December 4.5.

PS--sentences are your friend.

NoBullTexan
01-24-2005, 04:35 PM
RB or no, after last years debacle, I hope the Texans never trade up again!!!

Dime
01-24-2005, 04:40 PM
the texans need to trade up and get baby earl c benson they like to run the ball to much and D.D got his thousand yards but he gets hurt to much his fisrt two yrs in the league he has been out with this or that then he comes on strong when other teams have nothing to play for if u really like the texans and has been to every game like i have the texans had the lowest avg run per carry in the league. it took them 14 games to have a run over 20 yrds duh and u like DD go look at the stats per rush tell me what u think

Ok... first rule.. please use more the one period. Holy! Now, you wanna speak about how bad DD was, what have people here and all been screaming about the last 10 games, it WASNT DD, it was the O-line, I dont care if you are Portis, or whoever, if you aint got a line, you are not going anywhere. Fix the O-line first, then we will eval DD behind a line to see how he does.

gwallaia
01-24-2005, 04:44 PM
I'm getting the feeling that Cedric Benson will still be available when the Texans select at #13. If so, the Texans should pass on him, there are more pressing needs for this team than running back.

Dime
01-24-2005, 05:13 PM
RB or no, after last years debacle, I hope the Texans never trade up again!!!

Debacle?? Did I miss something? We got Robinson (I thought this was a good pick) and Babin (another good pick). What did we lose? We lost a third round right, so .. read me off a third rounder we lost that would have been a big one for our team... I dont see anyone in the entire third round I might have taken.

Lucky
01-24-2005, 05:20 PM
Ok... first rule.. please use more the one period.
Come on, letís not advise texansfan4life how to write. Heís obviously got some Faulkner-esque stream-of-consciousness thing happening. Now what he writes is a different matter.

baby earl c benson
Cedric Benson played RB at Texas. Earl Campbell played at Texas. But Cedric is in no way the impact player that Earl was. Neither was Ricky Williams, and he was a better college player than Benson.

he comes on strong when other teams have nothing to play for
Didnít Domanick pickup around 150 yards rushing against the Jags when they were fighting for a WC spot?

Grid
01-24-2005, 05:31 PM
Benson could end up being the BPA for us at #13.. if Johnson, Edwards, Rolle and Williams are gone. Brown Vs. Benson, whos better? I dunno and Ill leave it to the Texans front office to decide.. but if we picked up an RB at #13.. I wouldnt complain. Despite the fact that he isnt our biggest need.

We have made it a habit to grab some of the absolute best talent in the draft with our #1 pick, year in and year out. So.. no matter who they choose at #13.. i have faith that it will be a great player for us.

AndreJ
01-24-2005, 05:56 PM
Ok, i think the texans should draft a running back. This years draft is loaded at running back position. and if they don't draft a running back early they will be crazy. if the texans can't get derrick johnson or an impact defensive player they would be crazy not to draft or trade up for a real running back. I know D.D. is the running back now but look at what happen when he was hurt j wells is a back up running back and that it ,tony hollings is always hurt. free agent running back will be hot this yr u have the edge that will possibly leave the colts shaun alexander may lv the hawks and the bengals back want a new contract. This would put the texans in excellent positon to have the impact running back that tehy wanted when willis magahee got hurt remember D.D is the running back to take us some where deep into playoffs i want c bendson or jj arington or one off the boys from auburn

Oh quit your whining, I can not think of one back off the top of my head who performs at a pro-bowl level while injured. I'm sure there are a few, but I'm not up for the research right now. Despite the beginning of the season in the 1st two games where he had his fumbling prob. and about 2-3 games after that where he was injured, DD has been as good as any other back in the Leauge. Off the top of my head DD avg. over 100 yds a game and atleast 1 TD during the second half of the season. Not to mention he's been running behind a horrible O-Line and a new blocking scheme!

A new RB is the least of our troubles and to trade up to get one would be down right ludicrous! And as for J Wells goes when DD was hurt he came in and had a 100 yd rushing day and If i remember correctly we won that game, but i may be wrong.

Once again all of these stats were off the top of my head and i didn't look any up.

ccdude730
01-24-2005, 06:31 PM
september - 3.4 ypc
(29-99)

october - 3.2 ypc
(31-101)

november - 4.3 ypc
(28-122)

dec-jan - 4.4 ypc
(30-136)


the numbers in parenthesis is what we averaged per game in the respective months. sound like a bad running game? sure...but that was the beginning of the year.

edo783
01-24-2005, 08:53 PM
september - 3.4 ypc
(29-99)

october - 3.2 ypc
(31-101)

november - 4.3 ypc
(28-122)

dec-jan - 4.4 ypc
(30-136)


the numbers in parenthesis is what we averaged per game in the respective months. sound like a bad running game? sure...but that was the beginning of the year.


Looks to me like DD came on later in the season and the line was doing a better job of blocking. 4+ yards per carry is not to shabby.

texansfan4life
01-24-2005, 09:42 PM
ok people top running backs in the league- james ind , martin jets, shaun alexander hawks want me to keep going j lewis ravens c dillion pats.a green packers ok where does d.d fit in can some tell me as much as the texans rush the football d.d. will be a just that 1000 yard rusher not and exceptional back just avg

AndreJ
01-24-2005, 09:49 PM
Every running back you just named is running behind probably the top 10 offensive lines in the league. You want me to continue? I think I will. How do you think Denver continues to throw random people noone has ever heard of in at RB and still get the same production. It's their O-Line!!!!! Same thing goes for Kansas City.

I believe that an O-Line makes the RB. Put any of those players you named in say Arizona or San Fransico and see what their production looks like.

texansfan4life
01-24-2005, 09:53 PM
well d.d is'nt one of the best in the nfl and iam a texans fan i have been to every home game and here 's list of the backs that are game breakers e- james, ind. a green pac. s alexander seahawks j lewis ravens. c dillion pats. c martin. jets. la dana t. chargers. p holmes chiefs ok where does our back fit in with these guys duh u say we have needs duh!!!!!! texans need a running back. most teams that really go places have a game breaking back and d.d is a game breaker he's a avg back he reminds me of a running back name allen that the oilers had right before the drafted eddie george he avg a 1000 yards a yr but that was it in today game u need some one that really is a game breaker and d.d. isn't it the only team that has won a ssuperbowl the pat even realize that that why they got c dillion this yr duh !!!!! come ppl open up your eyes they need a real running back

AndreJ
01-24-2005, 10:15 PM
come ppl open up your eyes they need a real running back

Ofcourse it would be lovely to have to huge bruiser that puts fear into the opposing Defenses, but right not RB is on the bottom of our priority list if you ask me. We still need to adress both lines, who will play MLB for us and find a #2 reciever and or tight end. Then I would think about upgrading the RB position, but right now it is not our top priority.

Look at what DD did the second half of the season, when the line got it together. He will do just fine until we get the above problems fixed. And if we weren't to get a big #1 guy, I would love for Wells or someone else to get more carries and kind of do the Staley/Bettis or Dunn/Ducket duo for our team.

infantrycak
01-25-2005, 08:19 AM
here 's list of the backs that are game breakers e- james, ind. a green pac. s alexander seahawks j lewis ravens. c dillion pats. c martin. jets. la dana t. chargers. p holmes chiefs ok where does our back fit in

Good job of proving yourself wrong through omission. Where is Clinton Portis in here--you know you would have included him after 2003 (5th in NFL in yards, 1st in ypc) and 2002 (4th in NFL in yards, 1st in ypc)? Oh that's right, he went to a team where his OL doesn't work as well, and what happened?

2002--1508 yds 5.5 ypc 15 TD's 11 20+
2003--1591 yds 5.5 ypc 14 TD's 13 20+

2004
Portis--1315 yds 3.8 ypc 5 TD's 5 20+
Davis--1188 yds 3.9 ypc 13 TD's 5 20+

Develop/build the OL and the RB success will come. Having said that, DD has durability concerns so getting another back is not a bad idea somewhere in the draft, but trading up for a non-need position, for a guy who very well may not have as successful a career as guys it will not be necessary to trade up for (Brown, Shelton) would be very poor management by Casserly.

TexansTrueFan
01-25-2005, 11:08 AM
wow our names our close to matching,,,hmmm i LOVE D.D and really dont think we need another RB. i mean the RB is only as good as the guys blocking for him, and that showed in the late part of the season when Davis was having some big games. Maybe i'm missing something but davis has scored a td in 9 straight games, scored 13 this season and ran for over 1100 yrds and WAS injuried for a few games. So from the looks of it Davis has been very productive for us and is also a good reciever out of the back field. We dont need to waste a draft pick on a RB when we have holes that REALLY do need to be filled !

wiley2002
01-25-2005, 12:02 PM
I believe that an O-Line makes the RB. Put any of those players you named in say Arizona or San Fransico and see what their production looks like. Wish I could tell that one to the Dallas fans here in Laredo.

El Tejano
01-25-2005, 12:29 PM
Once again let me admit that I am on the Please Draft Eric Shelton from Louisville campaign. Kid runs hard and North and South.

Also I don't think it is a bad choice to draft a RB like Eric Shelton in the later rounds. And if there is any player on our team that is willing to share his position for the betterment of the team, #37 DD is the man.

Wild Bill
01-25-2005, 01:11 PM
The running game for the Texans is not the problem. There is a few reasons why it struggled early in the season:
A. D.D.'s injury
B. O-Line

DD took a few games to get back to the 2003 form partially because he was still recovering from the injury and getting back into game shape.

Our highest areas of need are: 1. Offensive Line 2. Defensive Line

I don't particulary see any O-Linemen in the draft worth the number 12 pick. Maybe we can pick up someone like Munoz from Tennessee in the second round or trade up to get him late in the first round.

I see the Texans targeting a denfensive tackle like Shaun Cody with our first pick.

I think that if Seattle doesn't put the franchise tag on Walter Jones, we should do whatever is possible to get him as well as make a run for Burris or Moss at WR.

Rosusu
01-25-2005, 02:45 PM
My thoughts on Benson. We really wouldnt care that much if he went to another school besides texas. He would just be that back that was alright, who we didnt know much about. Yes I am biased, I would LOVE to have any player from UT or A&M for that matter. We love our own boys.

ThaShark316
01-25-2005, 03:13 PM
Lets not listen to this garbage...Just draft Kay-Jay Harris in the middle of day 1 of the NFL Draft.

Human Highlight Reel
01-27-2005, 11:50 AM
Domanick Davis is a hard runner and makes up for the fact that he lacks top speed with his vision and hard nosed running style.

Davis can be a top tier running back, let's just continue to upgrade the line and grow together as a team and sooner than later people could be mentioning Domanick Davis on that list with James, Portis, Alexander, Holmes and so on and so forth.

But if the Texan's do decided to go RB in the draft it is stocked with quality running backs that CAN be stars. so maybe with the 2nd-3rd Round Pick we could maybe get a running back to compliment Davis, and if he dethrones Davis then so be it..

It's just way too many needs right now that HAVE to be address; O and D-Line, ILB, Safety and even a TE. We can hold off and taking a RB in the 1st and 2nd Round..

beerlover
01-27-2005, 12:01 PM
Domanick Davis is a hard runner and makes up for the fact that he lacks top speed with his vision and hard nosed running style.

Davis can be a top tier running back, let's just continue to upgrade the line and grow together as a team and sooner than later people could be mentioning Domanick Davis on that list with James, Portis, Alexander, Holmes and so on and so forth.

But if the Texan's do decided to go RB in the draft it is stocked with quality running backs that CAN be stars. so maybe with the 2nd-3rd Round Pick we could maybe get a running back to compliment Davis, and if he dethrones Davis then so be it..

It's just way too many needs right now that HAVE to be address; O and D-Line, ILB, Safety and even a TE. We can hold off and taking a RB in the 1st and 2nd Round..

amen brother, I share your opinion late first day possible / 2nd day probable :thumbup

fresno8
01-27-2005, 12:19 PM
Ofcourse it would be lovely to have to huge bruiser that puts fear into the opposing Defenses, but right not RB is on the bottom of our priority list if you ask me. We still need to adress both lines, who will play MLB for us and find a #2 reciever and or tight end. Then I would think about upgrading the RB position, but right now it is not our top priority.

Look at what DD did the second half of the season, when the line got it together. He will do just fine until we get the above problems fixed. And if we weren't to get a big #1 guy, I would love for Wells or someone else to get more carries and kind of do the Staley/Bettis or Dunn/Ducket duo for our team.
Well said, I couldn't agree w/ you more in a perfect world we'd have an elite back. DD is getting it done though. He showed he could juke guys and run over some guys the last half of the year. We have to fix our more pressing needs. A running back is in the cards at the earliest next year, but more realistically 2-3 years from now. DD will be fine for us for a couple more years and then look for us to grab an elite prospect or FA.

infantrycak
01-27-2005, 12:25 PM
Domanick Davis is a hard runner and makes up for the fact that he lacks top speed with his vision and hard nosed running style.

People that say things like DD isn't a home run threat, DD doesn't scare people, DD doesn't get enough long runs, etc. watch too many highlight films where they only get to see the big plays and assume that is how the RB's they are seeing routinely perform.

LaDainian Tomlinson only had 1 20+ run more than DD this year and his long was actually 2 yards shorter.

Curtis Martin had 2 more runs over 20+ yards but never broke a run for more than 25 yards.

Edgerrin James had one run of 20+ more than DD but his long was 4 yards shorter.

Ahman Green one more run of 20+

Deuce McAllister same number of 20+ runs along with Dunn, Brown, Lewis, Barlow, Jackson & Portis.

Only 4 RB's had 10+ runs over 20 yards and two of those didn't have a run longer than DD.

Not saying by this that DD is as good as any RB in the league, just that some people seem to look at DD and think big runs grow on trees and if he was just faster or better he would have lots more long runs, but the evidence from the RB's who are faster and/or better doesn't bear that out.

wiley2002
01-27-2005, 12:30 PM
DD will be fine for us for a couple more years and then look for us to grab an elite prospect or FA. I hope that doesn't happen but if it does, well, hope we find a winner.