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Vinny
01-24-2005, 12:51 PM
Add any Senior Bowl information here. I'll start it with the PFW's Senior Bowl Blog link and will add more stuff later as I get around to it. Leaving for Mobile with Gatorade in hand

By Trent Modglin (tmodglin@pfwmedia.com)
Jan. 23, 2005

Tomorrow is weigh-in day, where we will find out just how inaccurate college media guides are. Cornerbacks who were 6-0 in the SEC suddenly become 5-10 in the week of high-profile practices before the Senior Bowl. Practices start up too, and they’re always competitive. Should be fun. http://profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDraft/Senior+Bowl/2004/modglin012405.htm

Vinny
01-24-2005, 04:51 PM
January 24
# (11:30 AM): Players weight in... This week's Senior Bowl week kicked off with the measuring and weighing of players this morning. OTs Adam Terry of Syracuse and Wesley Britt of Alabama were the tallest players, both at 6-7 1/2; they were followed by OTs Jeremy Parquet of Southern Miss and Eastern Washington's Micheal Roos, both of whom measured in at just over 6-6. Meanwhile, another OT, Rob Petitti of Pittsburgh, was the heaviest player at 361 pounds. DT Anthony Bryant of Alabama was 345, while Virginia OG Elton Brown tipped the scales at 331. On the other hand, the shortest player as Kansas State RB Darren Sproles was measured in at barely 5-5, while Oklahoma State was the lighest position player at 170 pounds. Hopefully, we'll have the full list of heights and weights tomorow morning.
http://www.gbnreport.com/

Blake
01-24-2005, 05:25 PM
http://www.seniorbowl.com/2005/rosters.htm

2005 rosters.

texasguy346
01-24-2005, 08:15 PM
I'm really looking forward to seeing Matt Jones at WR, also I really want to see if Roddy White lives up to the hype. I'd like to see Charlie Frye play too since I haven't ever seen him play, and he's being mentioned as one of the top 5 or 10 QBs. Jamaal Brimmer is a favorite of mine at S, and I want to see how he plays on a bigger stage.

D-ReK
01-24-2005, 08:21 PM
LoL Sproles is only 5'5"? I realize he has good speed and is elusive, but that's just way too short to be successful in the NFL...He's even smaller than Quint Griffin...

Vinny
01-25-2005, 01:23 AM
By NEAL McCREADY
Sports Reporter

Carnell Williams said Sunday he has always been a Jon Gruden fan. Gruden, however, said later Sunday afternoon that his Tampa Bay Buccaneers weren't interested in the former Auburn running back. "We have no interest in him whatsoever," Gruden said. Then Gruden smiled and laughed a knowing little laugh. The Bucs are interested in Williams. It's the worst-kept secret since Prince Charles' affair with Camilla Parker-Bowles.

The two sides might talk of interest in others, but the body language -- if not the words themselves -- give the truth away. Williams and the Buccaneers are basically dating this week at the Senior Bowl, where Williams is the most prolific running back on the South team roster. http://www.al.com/seniorbowl/mobileregister/index.ssf?/base/sports/1106561952314390.xml

A conference breakdown of the roster reveals the Southeastern Conference, to no surprise, leads with 24 players on the South roster.

The Pac-10 is next with 16 players, followed by the Big Ten with 12. The Atlantic Coast Conference and Big 12 each have 11 players. All ACC players are on the South roster and all Big Ten players are on the North. Pac-10 and Big 12 players are split between both teams.

-- DUPLICATE NUMBERS: For the first time in Senior Bowl history, some players will have duplicate numbers on the same team -- a practice that is now common in college football.

The players with duplicate numbers will always play on opposite sides of the ball.

For example, you will notice on the South roster that Georgia quarterback David Greene and Auburn defensive back Carlos Rogers will each wear No. 14, and Georgia wide receiver Reggie Brown and Virginia Tech defensive back Eric Green will each wear No. 1.

Some of the other duplicate numbers include No. 84 on the South (LSU's Marcus Spears and Southern Cal tight end Alex Holmes); No. 47 on the South (Tennessee punt er Dustin Colquitt and Virginia Tech defensive lineman Jim Davis); and No. 1 on the North (Howard defensive back Ronald Bartell and Northern Colorado receiver Vincent Jackson).

"It's an opportunity to let the players wear the numbers they have worn throughout their collegiate careers," said Senior Bowl media relations director Vic Knight. "From a fan standpoint, it allows them to better identify a player when he is wearing the number they are accustomed to seeing that player wear." http://www.al.com/seniorbowl/mobileregister/index.ssf?/base/sports/1106561852314390.xml
Senior Bowl Weigh-In
(1-24-05)
North

Lorenzo Alexander, California 6014 290
Jonathan Babineaux, Iowa 6017 279
Attiyah Ellison, Missouri 6035 305
Antaaj Hawthorne, Wisconsin 6027 317
Matt Roth, Iowa 6031 263
Bill Swancutt, Oregon St. 6036 266
Jimmy Verdon, Arizona St. 6026 274

South
Anthony Bryant, Alabama 6023 345
Shaun Cody, USC 6035 293
Jim Davis, Virginia Tech 6027 272
George Gause, South Carolina 6036 268
Ronald Fields, Mississippi St. 6016 307
Mike Montgomery, Texas A&M 6043 271
Mike Patterson, USC 5113 290
Marcus Spears, L.S.U. 6033 302

Mark Clayton, Oklahoma 5096 187 (5'9" ?? shorter than I thought)
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/seniorbowl/reports/htwt.html

Vinny
01-25-2005, 01:12 PM
Espn has a show from the 2005 Senior Bowl today at 2

infantrycak
01-25-2005, 01:14 PM
What the heck is Kiffin thinking?

Monte Kiffin was very active coaching the defense and had some changes in store. Marcus Spears , a player who spent most of his time at defensive end for LSU, played at linebacker on Monday. Spears wasn't great in pass recognition but seemed agile in defending the run, shooting gaps.

Link (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBqdmdqbzAxBF9TAzk1ODYxMDU5BHNlYwNs dG4-?slug=citadel-2_345961_116&prov=citadel&type=story)

The birth of the 320 lb LB?--dubious.

The Surprises:

Matt Jones may have been the best player on the field and his versatility is intriguing. He was unbelievable as a receiver although he did get yelled at once for running the wrong route. Considering the one hour session he got the night before, his performance was outstanding.

Travis Daniels has an excellent session. He garnered the only pick of the session and displayed the ability to get deep to help out his cohorts. He also read the receptions well and worked hard to cut off the field that receivers had to run.

The Disappointments:

Logan Mankins , gaining momentum in recent weeks amongst scouts, suffered through a difficult day Monday. Slow in getting out of his stance and beaten thoroughly a couple of times, the Fresno State product did not display the tenacity that caught the eye of scouts in recent weeks.

Safety prospect James Butler had a hesitation to his game and did not appear confident on the field. Butler, out of Georgia Tech, was slow in providing help over the top and even lackluster in some of pursuit of the ball carrier. It appeared that he was not as focused as he could have been in this ever important start to the week

Vinny
01-25-2005, 01:34 PM
Notes from Monday's practices

Oklahoma WR Mark Clayton, at a shade under 5-10, looks smaller in person than he does on tape, but he is the quickest and smoothest receiver the North has in terms of getting into and out of his breaks. He also showed good focus while hauling in a pass across the middle despite getting smacked in the head by the arm of Miami (Ohio)’s Alphonso Hodge.

Virginia OG Elton Brown showed up to Mobile for weigh-ins, ringing in at a sloppy 6-4 3/8, 331 pounds but decided not to participate in the week’s activities due to tendinitis in his knee.

Wisconsin DT Antaaj Hawthorne was noticeably slower off the ball than his DL mates on the North side and didn’t push through some drills as far as the rest.


http://profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDraft/Senior+Bowl/2004/notebook012505.htm

Vinny
01-25-2005, 02:09 PM
The other generic thing that stood out this morning was that the offensive line, especially on the inside, were consistently outquicked by the defensive line guys. In the 11-on-11 drill, for example, Cal DT Lorenzo Alexander messed up one play when he got great penetration; same thing a couple of downs later when Missouri DT Attiyaf Ellison busted up the middle and destroyed a play. Iowa DT Matt Roth was also very disruptive, putting a lot of heat on the QB; while his Iowa teammate, 310-pound DT Anttaj Hawthorne also showed some surprising upfield quickness.

We spent a lot of time focussing on the North's two LTs: Khalif Barnes of Washington and Adam Terry of Syracuse. The athletic Barnes, who reportedly runs the 40 in the 4.90-4.95 range weighed in at a respectable 305 pounds on Monday, is still a bit raw technically, but he moves very well; he's also got a bit of nastiness too him. Terry, meanwhile, showed an outstanding hand punch on several plays that froze the DE in his tracks; Terry, though, also looks like he needs to improve his core strength. Terry, who moves surprisingly well, needs to get his pads lower when hndling a strong bull rush. Rangy Eastern Washington OT Michael Roos also showed good feet, but needs to get stronger.

The best player on the field this morning was Oklahoma LB Lance Mitchell. Mitchell looked very fluid in space; indeed, even at 239 pounds, he moved better than some of the DBs. Mitchell also consistently read plays well, took the right fill angles and stuffed several plays in the backfield. Nebraska LB Barrett Ruud also showed nice athleticsim, while UConn LB Alfred Fincher, who is known more as a run-stuffer, got a couple of nice breaks on underneath passing routes. Same for Stanford LB Jared Newberry who showed decent range, both in coverage - he had a pass breakup in the 11-on-11 drills - as well as cahsing down running plays, but wasn't that strong at the point of attack when he got there. Cincinnati tweener Trent Cole also spent muchof the morning working with the LBs, but didn't look very fluid in his backpedal.

Oklahoma State CB Darrent Williams continued to be the North's most aggressive DB as he broke well on several passes. Hawaii CB Abraham Elimimian also stood out with some very sticky coverage. Miami of Ohio CB Alphonso Hodge also ran well, but struggled to find the ball on several deep routes. Meanwhile, Howard CB Ronald Bartell appeared to struggle at times playing at Senior Bowl speed. Bartell was beaten on one deep route where he didn't show that extra gear to close on the play. Bartell also tended to play too far off and didn't close anywhere near fast enough to make a play
http://www.gbnreport.com/seniorbowldiary.htm

Lucky
01-25-2005, 02:34 PM
while his Iowa teammate, 310-pound DT Anttaj Hawthorne also showed some surprising upfield quickness.
Wondering if GBN is looking at Babineaux or Hawthorne? PFW was trashing Anttaj in their blog. Maybe another example of how 2 people can look at the same event and come to different conclusions.

LikeABoss
01-25-2005, 04:16 PM
Spears workout assessment by PFW (http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDraft/Senior+Bowl/2004/prospect012505.htm)

Prospect of the day

LSU DE Marcus Spears

By Nolan Nawrocki
Jan. 25, 2005


DE Marcus Spears
(6-3 3/8, 302, 4.90e)

Stock: Rising

Buzz: Thickly built, Reggie White-type power defensive end with enough size, strength and quickness to move inside and line up as a three- or five-technique. Shows the athletic ability to drop into coverage. Waylaid Mississippi OT Jeremy Parquet with a very powerful punch. Can jolt defenders, anchor vs. the run and neutralize the double-team. Very naturally athletic with a thick bubble. Strong lower body. Rolls his hips and explodes on contact. Good football intelligence. Needs to work on hand placement and using his hands to shed blocks and keep defenders off his body. Has the physical ability to develop into a Pro Bowl talent — a cross between Vikings DT Kevin Williams and Patriots DL Richard Seymour.

Background: Converted tight end and outstanding prep basketball talent who was more highly sought-after as a hoops talent. Started the season slowly but finished very strong, recording 14 tackles for loss and eight sacks during the final six games. Batted down six passes, forced two fumbles, recovered one and returned an interception 35 yards vs. Mississippi State. Named the team’s MVP. Finished career tied for fifth in LSU history with 19 career sacks and seventh in school history with 34.5 career tackles for loss. A consensus First-Team All-American in 2004.

Marcus Spears is having a good workout at the Senior Bowl guys. I'm telling you, this man should be chosen as our 13th overall pick to fill the void at LDE where Walker is just taking up space. So what if Walker has a huge contract, he is not meeting the team's expectations, plus he is old and banged up. We need youth with great pass rushing ability in our front seven and that's something Marcus Spears would bring. Think about it, Spears and Babin on that left side would do some serious damage, and if teams start to double team either Spears or Babin or even both at the same time that would then free up the weak side :hmmm:

Marcus Spears should be chosen as our 13th pick!!!! :coolb:

texansfan88
01-25-2005, 07:33 PM
DT Anttaj Hawthorne of Wisconsin was mobbed by Dallas and Arizona scouts Carolina talked with J.J. Arrington, Michael Roos and Manuel White
Baltimore spoke with Adam Terry,
Taylor Stubblefield talked with San Francisco and New Orleans
Cincinnati and New Orleans sought out OG Marcus Johnson of Ole Miss
Ben Wilkerson spoke with Kansas City
Corey Webster conversed with Carolina as well as former NFL safety Marcus Robertson, now working with the Titans.

Still trying to find out some stuff about the Texans, will do my best in the next few hours

LoNghoRn-TeXaN
01-25-2005, 09:35 PM
Who are we talking too?


I hope we talk to Logan Mankins. We steal him early second and Pitts might be a back up by next season. That boy can move folks like rag dolls, excellent for our zone blocking scheme.....

Pitts, Wand, and Wade are set for us. Pitts and Wand will improve significantly, and I think everyone on the board shares the same opinion. If we do get Mankins he will try to beat out Weigert for the RG position. We could live with Weigert for a season but he's getting old and he's not going to improve anymore, so we may replace him this or next season with very probably Milford Brown or Fred Weary. But I wouldn't rule out picking a RG for us in this draft. Also I dont see Mankins going in the second round. I'll say a mid to late third, but hey I might be wrong.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
01-26-2005, 12:43 PM
I got this little blurb about the Texans on another message board.

"Texans scouts were also discussing Wesley Britt (Alabama) and openly admitted they are high on the left tackle."

Vinny
01-26-2005, 12:52 PM
Pretty interesting guy. Here is a bit of info on him...

http://www.collegefootballnews.com/2004/Players/Alabama_WesleyBritt.htm

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
01-26-2005, 12:57 PM
Wesley Britt, 6-7 315, SR, Alabama

Wesley sustained a broken leg last year. But has really healed up and is playing as good as any tackle in the nation right now. He was recently selected to the prestigious Street & Smith's and Walter Camp Football Foundation's 1st Team All-American Team. This monster is extremely talented, he was a 1st team All-ACC left tackle before his fracture. He is very good blocking downfield and powerful in the running game. Alabama had a tremendous running game all year despite injuries to backfield stars. Britt was the lead blocker for the SEC's best ground attack dominating with 55 knockdown blocks.

Wild Bill
01-26-2005, 01:28 PM
Wow!!! I haven't heard anything about him but that is, in my opinion, the Texans biggest area of need. All the mock drafts talk about Shaun Cody, Dan Cody, Anttaj Hawthorne at our #13 pick. I think these guys will be good NFL players one day, but not good enough to take at 13.

We have a 'good' defense and I think that picking Patterson out of USC in the second round would be a steal, if he's still available. However, we're getting our QB killed. The fact that he barely has 2 - 3 seconds to drop back and try to find an open receiver affects every aspect of the Texans team, such as:
1. Running the ball 'consistantly'
2. Time of possession
3. Defense getting tired in the fourth quarter

Dom Capers like to run a ball control offense. That doesn't mean run, run, run. That means being able to move the ball with effeciency. We can have Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, and all of the other Pro Bowl receivers on our team, but if David doesn't have enough time to drop back and let the routes develop, it doesn't do the team any good.

Thanks for sharing the information about Wesley Britt. I'm going to go do some homework of my own on him.

texasguy346
01-26-2005, 01:36 PM
I think Patterson could be had late in the 3rd. I really think he might even last till early the second day. I think Hawthorne, Cody, Castillo, Johnson, Babineaux, and possibly Pouha will be gone before Patterson is picked. I understand his stock has risen some, but I still think he'll be a late 3rd round pick at the earliest.

Blake
01-26-2005, 01:41 PM
Pretty interesting guy. Here is a bit of info on him...

http://www.collegefootballnews.com/2004/Players/Alabama_WesleyBritt.htm

This guy is awesome. I was contemplating trading down in the 2nd to pick him up as the Browns future LT. This guy is a beast.

Wild Bill
01-26-2005, 02:28 PM
So much for Wesley Britt. He was carted off of the field a little while ago with an injury. Maybe we can get him late in the draft now....

I hear you on Patterson. Looking back, players like Gilbert Brown, Sam Adams, and the like were taken later in the draft. Hawthorne, Cody, and those guys don't play the nose tackle position. They play the positions that G. Walker and R. Smith play. Those guys are good players and would be much more effective if we had a really big, physical presence in the middle of the line who can man handle inside blockers to free up Walker and Smith.

Vinny
01-26-2005, 02:30 PM
I'm watching the telecast too. I like Ced Houston. I think he would make a great back here.

texasguy346
01-26-2005, 02:35 PM
I like what I've seen of Matt Jones as a TE/WR. He has great hands.

Fiddy
01-26-2005, 05:31 PM
Bucs and Dolphins looking at Cadillac:
http://www.sptimes.com/2005/01/26/Bucs/Gruden_likes_what_he_.shtml

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/football/pro/dolphins/sfl-dolnb25jan26,0,7731424,print.story?coll=sfla-dolphins-front

nunusguy
01-27-2005, 11:00 AM
Greuden on individuals he is impressed with and other tidbits in this newsy
story from the local Mobil paper re the Senior Bowl.
From the article, remarks about a Sooner LB who could be another prospect
for the Texans:
-- NEW ROLE FOR OU'S MITCHELL: Lance Mitchell earned All-Big 12 honors as a middle linebacker at Oklahoma. The 6-foot-2, 245-pounder had 72 tackles and helped the Sooners stuff opponents' running games en route to a trip to the Orange Bowl. This week, however, Mitchell has moved to strong-side outside linebacker, a position he hasn't played since high school. If he shows he can handle that role, the flexibility would make him even more attractive to NFL scouts.


http://www.al.com/sports/mobileregister/index.ssf?/base/sports/1106821162118710.xml

F-minus67
01-27-2005, 01:31 PM
Sam Adams was a 1st round pic. And with that being said the two players that have impressed me the most have been Marcus Spears and David Baas. Spears has just dominated some of the o linemen in the pratices and I think someone wrote that Baas has not given up a QB pressure in the one on one drills and has good boarder line great foot work.

downtownsb
01-27-2005, 01:45 PM
Cadillac Williams told me he went through a 2 1/2 hour exam administered by the Texans that had him wearing goggles that altered his vision and tossing bean bags at different targets. You couldn’t make up some of the stuff you hear down here. that is from pro football weekly.

if the Texans interviewed Cadillac is it just a random interview or are we actually looking to get him.

Vinny
01-27-2005, 01:47 PM
You have to understand the value of each player regardless if you take him or not. If the Texans do not want him they may want to use leverage to trade down to another team. If you do not correctly gauge the value in a player then you are not maximizing your negotiating position.

That said, I'm sure we are looking for another back to stablize our offense. Williams is a Dom Davis type back.

Reddevil63
01-27-2005, 01:53 PM
that is from pro football weekly.

if the Texans interviewed Cadillac is it just a random interview or are we actually looking to get him.
Sounds like the story the guy on ESPN was saying yesterday about one of the questionaires asking him if he has an urge to kick a dog on the side of the road :rofl:

Vinny
01-27-2005, 01:59 PM
Sounds like the story the guy on ESPN was saying yesterday about one of the questionaires asking him if he has an urge to kick a dog on the side of the road :rofl:Almost the same kind of deal here...
Cadillac Williams told me he went through a 2 1/2 hour exam administered by the Texans that had him wearing goggles that altered his vision and tossing bean bags at different targets. You couldn’t make up some of the stuff you hear down here.

PFW (http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDraft/Senior+Bowl/2004/modglin012405.htm)

wags
01-27-2005, 02:04 PM
Who are some of the NT types that have impressed? I was thinking someone like Bryant would be a good late round pick to backup Payne. I know he gets push, but in one game I saw he seemed to wear down quick. He only played like half the snaps.

Vinny
01-27-2005, 02:58 PM
I'm watching the Sr bowl practice and Baas is just mauling people from the Center position. Dominating his man. Joel Driessen looks good too.

Reddevil63
01-27-2005, 03:00 PM
I was worried about all of the fumbled snaps, but Frye and Orlovsky dont seem to be having any trouble.

Vinny
01-27-2005, 03:02 PM
Baas started at C the last 8 games at Michigan and had no problems. I think that is being overblown.

Vinny
01-27-2005, 03:27 PM
The North practice in the afternoon was once again MUCH more laid back but the guy who really stood out in my eyes was TE Joel Dreessen of Colorado St. who continued to make plays including a great catch over the deep middle and held onto the ball despite being laid out by Jamaal Brimmer. He could be a great H-Back at the pro level in the mold of someone like Chris Cooley...

...The Chiefs were active, with their offensive line coach telling North Carolina C Jason Brown that he liked how he played with leverage and his work ethic while I also saw team personnel speaking with Georgia WR Reggie Brown and they made a beeline for U.C.L.A. FB Manuel White. Kansas City also huddled with WR Vincent Jackson, who also drew interest from the Titans. Clemson ILB Leroy Hill conversed with the Bears linebackers coach, Louisville ILB Robert McCune and Troy DE Demarcus Ware met with the Bengals, Michael Boley of Southern Miss spoke with the Saints, Justin Geisinger of Vanderbilt chatted with the Chiefs and Chargers, and Auburn S Junior Rosegreen talked with the Panthers. http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/seniorbowl/reports/12605.html

infantrycak
01-27-2005, 04:08 PM
Baas started at C the last 8 games at Michigan and had no problems. I think that is being overblown.

Don't know where I saw it now, but one scouting report said the hand-off problems being reported as Baas not a natural center were only happening with one QB (can't remember which one) so the problem might have been more on the QB.

Honoring Earl 34
01-27-2005, 04:17 PM
:howdy: If I was a team looking for a center I'd really be harping on this. That would maybe give me a better chance at him.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
01-27-2005, 11:35 PM
"One of the most physically imposing players in Alabama's Anthony Bryant. He looks like a manchild. He calves are gigantic and overall he has tree trunks for legs. He also looked very quick in D-Line drills."

http://www.draftshowcase.com/ThursSouth.htm

travfrancis
01-28-2005, 06:32 AM
^thanks for the link

Honoring Earl 34
01-28-2005, 09:52 AM
This guys draft makes no sense. Why would we take a running back in the 2nd. The same reason he's got Alex Smith QB, Heath Miller TE going in the 20's and Carlos Rogers going in the 2nd round .
Yo Vinnie is there a way we could start a website and magazine and go to the Senior Bowl on business. Then write it off as a business expense. I'm going to get laid off anyhow its time to turn over a new leaf. What if we got Budwieser as a sponsor I could endorse them I use their product. :banana:

beerlover
01-28-2005, 11:49 AM
This guys draft makes no sense. Why would we take a running back in the 2nd. The same reason he's got Alex Smith QB, Heath Miller TE going in the 20's and Carlos Rogers going in the 2nd round .
Yo Vinnie is there a way we could start a website and magazine and go to the Senior Bowl on business. Then write it off as a business expense. I'm going to get laid off anyhow its time to turn over a new leaf. What if we got Budwieser as a sponsor I could endorse them I use their product. :banana:

earl- thats funny :heh: except for the "laid off anyhow" part, sorry about that.

seriously, Alex Smith stock has soared over the course of the weeks since he announced going PRO, even in my first mock I had Green Bay wishfully getting him as Farve's replacement. Heath Miller is a solid TE but nothing that warrants anything but a late 1st round pick in my opinion, maybe to a team like the Steelers. Carlos Rogers stock has fallen because of his soft cover skills, that doesn't mean he can't improve once the Combines conclude with a solid outing but as of right now late 1st to early 2nd seem about right.

nunusguy
01-28-2005, 12:19 PM
GBN definitely liked this guy:
"In the end, Washington OT Khalif Barnes got our highest grade among the offensive linemen; Barnes was both athletic and feisty. Indeed, there's a bit of a buzz that Barnes could have pushed himself into a first round pick."
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/playerprofiles/ot/khalifbarnes.html

Vinny
01-28-2005, 03:07 PM
I’ve seen several small-school players down here with their agents, as well as a handful of others from Division I programs who are looking for exposure. Just because you’re not invited to play in the game doesn’t mean you can’t be seen and interviewed by the hundreds of NFL people down here. I had a chance to talk to Adrian McPherson, the former Florida State quarterback who was kicked off the team for disciplinary reasons a few years back. He landed on his feet in the Arena League, and scouts say he’s got a definite future in the NFL now that he has turned his life around. Leigh Steinberg, “agent of the quarterbacks,” represents him if that tells you anything. pfw's Sr bowl blog (http://profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDraft/Senior+Bowl/2004/modglin012405.htm)

Honoring Earl 34
01-28-2005, 03:25 PM
:howdy: All this will change after the combine and personal workout sessions. It want be as drastic as it use to thanks to Mike Mamula DE Boston College 4.6 40 out of the league in 4yrs. after he was like the 6th pick. ooops.
When the big three RBs and CBs line up for their 40 yd. dash I wonder how much moneys at stake.

AndreJ
01-29-2005, 03:04 PM
Should be on in a few minutes. ESPN2 at 3pm central time. I'm waiting for this basketball game to go off.

I've been waiting for this game all morning long and my parents are on the phone trying to cut off the cable and icontrol to switch to DTV an get TIVO!!!!!!!!!! I hope my cable doesn't get cut off and i cant watch it!!! LoL that would suck. :thud:

Vinny
01-29-2005, 03:10 PM
Game time. Espn 2

http://www.seniorbowl.com/2005/graphics/aerial2003.jpg

2005 Senior Bowl South Team – Coaching Staff: Tampa Bay Buccaneers

QB 17 Jason Campbell 6-4 221 Auburn
QB 14 David Greene 6-3 231 Georgia
QB 16 Brock Berlin 6-1 215 Miami (FL)
RB 30 Nehemiah Broughton 5-11 252 The Citadel
RB 25 Kay-Jay Harris 6-0 229 West Virginia
RB 21 Cedric Houston 5-11 215 Tennessee
RB 23 Will Mathews 6-1 259 Texas
RB 24 Cadillac Williams 5-11 212 Auburn
WR 1 Reggie Brown 6-1 197 Georgia
WR 20 Airese Currie 5-10 178 Clemson
WR 82 Fred Gibson 6-4 193 Georgia
WR 9 Matt Jones 6-6 237 Arkansas
WR 11 Craphonso Thorpe 6-1 189 Florida State
WR 3 Roydell Williams 6-0 187 Tulane
TE 84 Alex Holmes 6-1 269 USC
TE 85 Cody McCarty 6-4 267 TCU
OL 70 Wesley Britt 6-7 313 Alabama
OL 72 Jason Brown 6-2 332 North Carolina
OL 76 Marcus Johnson 6-6 316 Ole Miss
OL 71 Logan Mankins 6-3 317 Fresno State
OL 51 Evan Mathis 6-5 308 Alabama
OL 78 Chris Myers 6-4 302 Miami (FL)
OL 77 Jeremy Parquet 6-7 324 Southern Miss
OL 60 David Stewart 6-5 315 Mississippi State
OL 73 Michael Watson 6-4 289 West Virginia
OL 61 Ray Willis 6-5 320 Florida State
DL 97 Anthony Bryant 6-3 336 Alabama
DL 85 Shaun Cody 6-4 292 USC
DL 47 Jim Davis 6-3 276 Virginia Tech
DL 95 George Gause 6-5 271 South Carolina
DL 93 Ronald Fields 6-1 310 Mississippi State
DL 99 Mike Montgomery 6-4 280 Texas A&M
DL 98 Mike Patterson 6-0 292 USC
DL 84 Marcus Spears 6-4 295 LSU
DE/LB 94 Demarcus Ware 6-4 232 Troy
LB 27 Michael Boley 6-2 225 Southern Miss
LB 2 Leroy Hill 6-1 220 Clemson
LB 33 Marcus Lawrence 6-2 235 South Carolina
LB 54 Robert McCune 6-0 243 Louisville
LB 16 Cornelius Wortham 6-2 234 Alabama
DB 22 James Butler 6-2 205 Georgia Tech
DB 6 Nick Collins 5-10 193 Bethune-Cookman
DB 29 Travis Daniels 6-2 188 LSU
DB 18 Vincent Fuller 6-1 196 Virginia Tech
DB 1 Eric Green 5-11 197 Virginia Tech
DB 8 Bryant McFadden 5-11 191 Florida State
DB 14 Carlos Rogers 6-0 195 Auburn
DB 4 Junior Rosegreen 5-11 189 Auburn
DB 13 Corey Webster 6-0 202 LSU
K 86 Jonathan Nichols 5-11 182 Ole Miss
P 47 Dustin Colqiutt 6-1 196 Tennessee

2005 Senior Bowl North Team – Coaching Staff: Oakland Raiders

QB 5 Charlie Frye 6-4 227 Akron
QB 7 Dan Orlovsky 6-5 232 Connecticut
QB 18 Kyle Orton 6-4 217 Purdue
RB 30 J.J. Arrington 5-9 204 California
RB 20 Noah Herron 5-10 231 Northwestern
RB 43 Darren Sproles 5-6 181 Kansas State
RB 40 Zach Tuiasosopo 6-2 249 Washington
RB 29 Manuel White 6-2 251 UCLA
WR 87 Craig Bragg 6-1 198 UCLA
WR 9 Mark Clayton 5-10 185 Oklahoma
WR 1 Vincent Jackson 6-5 223 Northern Colorado
WR 82 Brandon Jones 6-2 215 Oklahoma
WR 19 Courtney Roby 6-0 184 Indiana
WR 21 Taylor Stubblefield 5-11 172 Purdue
TE 84 Joel Dreessen 6-4 257 Colorado State
TE 81 Alex Smith 6-4 255 Stanford
OL 75 David Baas 6-4 311 Michigan
OL 65 Khalif Barnes 6-5 305 Washington
OL 67 Dan Buenning 6-5 310 Wisconsin
OL 50 Jonathan Clinkscale 6-4 304 Wisconsin
OL 55 Junius Coston 6-3 307 North Carolina A&T
OL 79 Justin Geisinger 6-4 342 Vanderbilt
OL 71 Michael Roos 6-7 313 Eastern Washington
OL 72 Adam Snyder 6-5 325 Oregon
OL 78 Adam Terry 6-8 305 Syracuse
DL 76 Lorenzo Alexander 6-1 295 California
DL 45 Jonathan Babineaux 6-2 276 Iowa
DL 97 Attiyah Ellison 6-4 303 Missouri
DL 77 Antaaj Hawthorne 6-2 310 Wisconsin
DL 31 Matt Roth 6-3 262 Iowa
DL 91 Bill Swancutt 6-4 264 Oregon State
DL 90 Jimmy Verdon 6-3 278 Arizona State
DL 80 Marcus White 6-4 280 Murray State
DE/LB 92 Trent Cole 6-2 243 Cincinnati
LB 41 Alfred Fincher 6-1 240 Connecticut
LB 10 Lance Mitchell 6-2 245 Oklahoma
LB 34 Kirk Morrison 6-1 236 San Diego State
LB 17 Jared Newberry 6-1 224 Stanford
LB 38 Barrett Ruud 6-2 240 Nebraska
DB 21 Oshiomogho Atogwe 5-11 203 Stanford
DB 1 Ronald Bartell 6-2 198 Howard
DB 27 Jamaal Brimmer 6-1 213 UNLV
DB 37 Sean Considine 6-0 206 Iowa
DB 3 Abraham Elimimian 5-9 193 Hawaii
DB 9 Alphonso Hodge 5-11 203 Miami (OH)
DB 8 Darrent Williams 5-9 175 Oklahoma State
DB 2 Stanley Wilson 5-11 181 Stanford
K 85 Mike Nugent 5-9 175 Ohio State
P 18 Cole Farden 5-10 199 Oklahoma State

CoachJim
01-29-2005, 03:11 PM
I'm like you Andre, sitting here patiently waiting for this BB game to end ... Gawd what am I gonna do after the ProBowl for my football fix?... Oh thats right, I got the NFL network! :bouncey: :banana:

texasguy346
01-29-2005, 03:16 PM
Looks like we won't be seeing Mitchell or Orlovsky today. Out with the flu.

Vinny
01-29-2005, 03:19 PM
Poor pass by Ortin. Butler cherry picked that one.

AndreJ
01-29-2005, 03:21 PM
sloppy game

Reddevil63
01-29-2005, 03:22 PM
You kinda have to make sure you have the ball before you start running...

Vinny
01-29-2005, 03:23 PM
JJ Arrington may be a product of his wide open spread offense the same way the backs in run and shoot schemes produce big numbers.

AndreJ
01-29-2005, 03:24 PM
What's with the DB's playing 10 yards off the WR's?

Vinny
01-29-2005, 03:25 PM
It works so far. One pick and a nice break up on a 3rd down pass in the first two series.

AndreJ
01-29-2005, 03:29 PM
I didn't see one LB who didn't bite on the playaction right there. Thats just sad.

Vinny
01-29-2005, 03:33 PM
Jason Campbell throws well on the run, and I am real impressed with his pocket awareness. Both the Georgia WR's can play.

AndreJ
01-29-2005, 03:36 PM
Campbell looks like McNabb or Culpepper out there, look at him shaking all those pass rushers. I didn't want to go too far and call him Vick, there is just no comparison there.

texasguy346
01-29-2005, 03:46 PM
Baas has looked impressive at C. He really hasn't been pushed back at all. Also Hawthorne looks pretty good at DT. He had been slow all week in practice. Looks like the game is bringing out the best in him.

Vinny
01-29-2005, 04:06 PM
Alex Holmes, TE looks good to me.

texasguy346
01-29-2005, 04:13 PM
He's around 270 or so I think.

AndreJ
01-29-2005, 04:15 PM
Did anyone see the Lt manhandle the dlineman on that last run play?

Vinny
01-29-2005, 04:41 PM
Khalif Barnes (LT) and Bill Swancutt (DL) were impressive and stood out to May and Kiper when they were going over the first half play.

AndreJ
01-29-2005, 04:43 PM
Khalif Barnes and Bill Swancutt were stand outs in the first half according to May and Kiper.

Yeah Swancutt was all over the field. I wasn't even aware fo this guy till this game ( I also don't watch much college football) but he has played an excellent 1st half.

texasguy346
01-29-2005, 04:44 PM
I'd hope Swancutt got their attention. He's got like 2 sacks already right? He is a bit undersized though. Great pass rusher still.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
01-29-2005, 04:55 PM
Wow, Sproles just ripped one into the endzone.

texasguy346
01-29-2005, 04:55 PM
Sproles is playing very well.

AndreJ
01-29-2005, 04:57 PM
Too bad that he's gonna catch hell by scouts and stuff just because of his height. That is ridiculous. He's got everything else including plenty of speed and nice cutbacks. I really liked what I saw by him on thata series.

AndreJ
01-29-2005, 05:03 PM
Looks like there are a good group of TE's coming out of this draft this year or atleast in this game. Alex Smith and Holmes have looked pretty good today and also Cody McCarty. I'm also takin it that Heath Miller is a JR.

Vinny
01-29-2005, 06:03 PM
Sproles is playing very well.I've seen some comapre him to Dave Meggett (http://www.hickoksports.com/biograph/meggettdave.shtml).

Errant Hothy
01-29-2005, 06:19 PM
Did Matt Jones (former Arkansas QB) play much at TE? And if he did, how did he look?

TexansCanes
01-29-2005, 07:29 PM
last couple of drives he was in at wr. he had the lone td catch for the south at the end of the game. other than that i never really saw much of him.

texasguy346
01-29-2005, 08:40 PM
Did Matt Jones (former Arkansas QB) play much at TE? And if he did, how did he look?

He made a couple catches at WR, and I don't recall seeing him at TE. As TexansCanes mentioned he had a TD grab at the end of the game, and he had another catch earlier in the game. He looks pretty good at WR considering that it's his first time playing the position against top level CBs and Safeties. He's deceptively fast. He didn't get many oppurtunities to stand out today because the entire offense of the South seemed to struggle.

nunusguy
01-29-2005, 09:10 PM
Baas has looked impressive at C.
Geez, the guy is huge, a real man-mountain. But he's so slow & plodding,
not gonna be pretty when he's match up against a nimble DT for pass protection.

Vinny
01-29-2005, 09:13 PM
He didn't look slow to me. If you look at his footwork he has great feet. I don't see how he has gotten this knock all of a sudden (http://www.rimingtontrophy.com/)

texasguy346
01-29-2005, 09:31 PM
He didn't look all that slow to me. He was one of the first guys down to congratulate the RB out of Northwestern, Herron I think is his name, on the TD catch. I also noticed he put the extra effort on a broken screen pass play, but that very well may have been because he missed a block. I'm not sure because he was out of the screen at that point. It was a screen pass to Kay Jay Harris, but it looked as if none of the OLinemen got out in front of him. Baas was running back to where Harris caught the ball, and made a cut block on a LB or DE. It didn't really allow Harris to gain any yards because there were other defenders over there. Ended up as a loss, but it showed good hustle on Baas's part.

nunusguy
01-29-2005, 09:36 PM
Fortunately I taped the game, I'll have to take a closer look at him - maybe he's quicker than I realized.
Spears is really impressive, but is he big enough
to be a down lineman in an NFL 3-4 ?

texasguy346
01-29-2005, 09:46 PM
Fortunately I taped the game, I'll have to take a closer look at him - maybe he's quicker than I realized.
Spears is really impressive, but is he big enough
to be a down lineman in an NFL 3-4 ?

Yeah he's big enough. He's reported at 297 and 298 lbs, and he has the frame to add on more weight if neccessary.

AndreJ
01-29-2005, 10:02 PM
Spears is really impressive, but is he big enough
to be a down lineman in an NFL 3-4 ?

Since plenty have been wondering this same question I decided to do a little research. One of the greats, Richard Seymour of the Patriots is 6-6 and wieghs in @ 305. Anthony Weaver of Baltimore is 6-3 and 296 and Kimo Von Oelhoffen of Pittsburgh is 6-3 @ 297.

Those are all good 3-4 DE's in successful defenses.

Our current Defensive Ends in our system are Robaire (Who I acutally like) who list at 6-4, 310 lbs. and Gary Walker 6-2, 305 lbs. Neither one of them has noticeable speed and i think that may be part of why we can't get a good pass rush even though it is mostly the linebackers job in the 3-4 Defense to get to the QB.

Marcus Spears is 6-4 @ 298 and as previously said has room to add weight if needed. Shaun Cody is also 6-4 and 295 lbs. I would like to see us get either of these guys (Spears particulary, because of his speed). I also like the way Spears played in the Senior Bowl today. From what I saw he had alot of patience and good awareness. He also stuck with a play and never gave up.

So the answer to your question is yes Spears could fit in as a 3-4 D-Lineman for us. One more thing, Mel Kiper said today that scouts have taken more notice of him and he could be moving down to about the Top 15 in the draft.

THE_HONKEY_TONK_KID
01-29-2005, 10:40 PM
Here is some guys that stuck out at me in today's game:

1) David Baas: I had some questions on this guy coming into today's game. He didn't have an impressive Shrine Game, so it was great seeing this guy get another chance. Baas looked very good, he always seem to overpower his guy at the line. Looked good in pass coverage as well--He seemed to continue his block what ever the DT did, whether is be bull-rushing, spinning, ripping, swimming, he was able to handle it. Also did a great job of getting out and blocking on screens. One problem though was that for the last 6 minutes of the 1st Half he played against a Bama DT that was a career back-up.

2) Alex Holmes: This guy came in as the #2 TE in this draft, and made a strong case to come in and possibly be a late 1st round pick. He runs great routes, is fast coming off the line, has some prutty good hands and was a target for the North QB all game. I didn't see him run block much, which I wanted to see.

3) Marcus Spears: When I first saw Spears I thought naw this guy can be that skinny, but boy that kid is a beast. He is very fast coming off the outside and has a motor for either finding the QB or the RB. Only thing I saw wrong was he was a little over agressive, he missed a sack on one play because he was TOO fast coming off the edge, and took a bad angle on a running play that cost the South an extra 5 yards.

Some other guys who turned heads but we won't have to worry about: Charlie Frye, Jason Campbell, Swancutt (could this guy play DE in the 3-4? Is a small DT.......might be a "tweener") Darren Sproles (he is a 4th round pick, maybe a KR for us?) Mike Nugent: I want Nugent to be a Texan, I like this kid a lot and could be the next Vinateri. DRAFT HIM NOW.

Vinny
01-29-2005, 10:45 PM
Here is some guys that stuck out at me in today's game:

1) David Baas: I had some questions on this guy coming into today's game. He didn't have an impressive Shrine Game, so it was great seeing this guy get another chance. I'd like to get your impression of how he played in the Shrine game. Please tell me what you saw. Shrine Bowl rosters (http://www.shrinegame.com/rosters.php)

texasguy346
01-29-2005, 10:47 PM
Swancutt is around 260, and he shared Pac 10 defenisve player of the year honors with Shaun Cody of USC. When you look at his size you'd think he'd be a perfect OLB in a 3-4. An undersized DE who's got great pass rushing abilities. However, to be a 3-4 OLB you need the abililty to cover TEs, RBs, etc from time to time. Since he didn't play LB any during the game its tough to judge whether or not he'd be a good OLB. I haven't seen enough of him at OSU to make a determination just yet, but once he hits the combines we'll have a better idea of his speed and agility.

ArlingtonTexan
01-29-2005, 10:50 PM
Here is some guys that stuck out at me in today's game:

1) David Baas: I had some questions on this guy coming into today's game. He didn't have an impressive Shrine Game, so it was great seeing this guy get another chance. Baas looked very good, he always seem to overpower his guy at the line. Looked good in pass coverage as well--He seemed to continue his block what ever the DT did, whether is be bull-rushing, spinning, ripping, swimming, he was able to handle it. Also did a great job of getting out and blocking on screens. One problem though was that for the last 6 minutes of the 1st Half he played against a Bama DT that was a career back-up.

2) Alex Holmes: This guy came in as the #2 TE in this draft, and made a strong case to come in and possibly be a late 1st round pick. He runs great routes, is fast coming off the line, has some prutty good hands and was a target for the North QB all game. I didn't see him run block much, which I wanted to see.

3) Marcus Spears: When I first saw Spears I thought naw this guy can be that skinny, but boy that kid is a beast. He is very fast coming off the outside and has a motor for either finding the QB or the RB. Only thing I saw wrong was he was a little over agressive, he missed a sack on one play because he was TOO fast coming off the edge, and took a bad angle on a running play that cost the South an extra 5 yards.

Some other guys who turned heads but we won't have to worry about: Charlie Frye, Jason Campbell, Swancutt (could this guy play DE in the 3-4? Is a small DT.......might be a "tweener") Darren Sproles (he is a 4th round pick, maybe a KR for us?) Mike Nugent: I want Nugent to be a Texan, I like this kid a lot and could be the next Vinateri. DRAFT HIM NOW.

I hope you meant Alex smith from stanford...Alex Holmes from USC is slow and short even though he has decents hands. Smith is closer to the modern pass catching TE.

texasguy346
01-30-2005, 12:11 AM
Holmes had a pretty good game receiving, but I don't think he was the 2nd rated TE available in the draft. At least he wasn't the 2nd rated TE on any position ranking I've seen. Most have Smith, Cross, and Dreesen ahead of him. I still wouldn't mind seeing the Texans get him with one of their 2nd day picks, but that would likely mean Joppru isn't progressing well in his recovery.

TexansCanes
01-30-2005, 01:02 AM
spears has really imporved his stock this week. he had a slow start but really came alive at the end of the year. i don't know how many times he came up with a big sack at the end of the game when the game was on the line. kiper said that he should be a early first rounder (1-15) after this week, so maybe if we do go d-line then i think he is our man. he is around 294 and reports are that he doesn't have the much fat on him, so he probably could a few pounds if he had to. also gruden tried him at lb this week and he was suppose to play basketball at LSU, so that just shows you what kind of althete he is.

nunusguy
01-30-2005, 10:21 AM
spears has really imporved his stock this week.

I hope he hasn't improved it too much, but we might have to hustle to get him @ 13 in the first round. I'm not saying he's the second coming of Julius Peppers, but for a 290 pounder guy who is so fit ( obviously very low on body fat), quick and just very athletic, the comparison comes to mind. And if he is in fact > 290, he is big enough and athletic enough to play DT or DE in
the NFL. Weak draft including weak for defensive lineman this year, he may
vanish from the Board very quickly once the draft begins in April.

beerlover
01-30-2005, 10:33 AM
vanish off the board @ the 11th pick via the revamped 3-4 boyz defense :rofl:

TexansCanes
01-30-2005, 04:24 PM
if thats true than that will leave another good defensive player for us, so if he is gone than it isn't that big of a deal.

Honoring Earl 34
01-30-2005, 04:39 PM
:howdy: The Cowboys have tiny LBs. Can they go to 3-4 with tiny LBs ? They need alot to bad we have their 3rd round pick. I'd give it back for Roy Williams.

nunusguy
01-30-2005, 06:16 PM
vanish off the board @ the 11th pick via the revamped 3-4 boyz defense :rofl:
Logically, a team converting from 4-3 to 3-4 would need LBs and not DLineman, and vice versa.

THE_HONKEY_TONK_KID
01-30-2005, 09:56 PM
I'd like to get your impression of how he played in the Shrine game. Please tell me what you saw. Shrine Bowl rosters

I know he played in that game unless I was seeing things........I dunno :fib Oh yeah I did mean Alex Smith, can't beleive I would get those names mixed up but oh well what can I say I'm a :loser