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76Texan
05-02-2009, 04:20 PM
The tapes

5'9, 205-209 lbs
4.60 speed
20 Bench rep
35 Vert

Games reviewed (in chronological order):
Houston (07)
Washington, USC, UCLA, California, Oregon St., Okla. St.

A poor man Slaton.

Positives:
Very shifty runner. Nice juke moves, double move, a nice 360 spin move on the run, things that can catch a defender flat footed.

Good lateral movement. Good balance and body control.

If there's a hole at the LOS, he has a good chance to make the defender at the next level miss.

Has a very good stiff arm to fend off defender, while maintaining his balance and preserve speed much as possible.
http://www.myspace.com/jjstiffarm

Good ball security.

Knows how to use his blockers.

Can be used as a punt returner or kick returner due to his ability to
find the seam and make guys miss.

Negatives:

Can be caught from behind as his straight line speed indicated
(bringing him down is another matter.)

For a small guy who's supposed to run with low center of gravity, I would have preferred to see him lower his pads a bit more in the middle of the pack.

Did not look very good in his timing as when to spring out for the screen pass or as the check down receiver in the flat, and did not locate proper spacing.
That prohibited the QB to use him in those instances during the season opener (probably due to being out of football for a while.)

Was not used as a blocker much and was marginal at the beginning of the season, probably for the same reason.

Jeremiah did improve tremendously as the season moved along, especially in his reads and skills as a receiver out of the backfield.

Will need to learn not to spend too much time in his own backfield (should be fixable.)

Backgrounds:

Had a torn ACL midway through the 07 season.

Came back from off-season nicely with 125 yards on 15 carries in the season opener.
Also had a 55 yd TD run called back by a touchy holding call on the receiver trying to block.

Johnson's shoulder popped out of its socket against Utah State after only one 37-yard carry, however, making scouts wonder if he was injury-prone.

But he returned with two one-hundred-yd games the following two weeks,
and played in every game en route to 2008 second-team All-Pac 10 honors,
gaining 1,201 rushing yards, scoring 13 touchdowns and averaging an outstanding 7.1 yards per carry.

Johnson's TDs in 08
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnXmhMBnAQU

A few other highlights (don't pay no attention to the tales of the tapes.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWhvFsttcqY&feature=related

The Pencil Neck
05-02-2009, 05:14 PM
You must spread some reputation around... etc.

Thanks, man. Great stuff.

RipTraxx
05-02-2009, 05:34 PM
I did this same thread somewhere...but who cares. I love the kid. Heres a great highlight real

Notice how he makes GREAT cuts and the vision. Oregon runs a ZBS too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWhvFsttcqY

Mike Kerns
05-02-2009, 06:13 PM
Everyone here seems to be higher on Foster, but I like JJ. That stiff arm is just good old fashioned smash mouth football. Hope he does well in camp.

:goodpost:

RipTraxx
05-02-2009, 06:33 PM
Everyone here seems to be higher on Foster, but I like JJ. That stiff arm is just good old fashioned smash mouth football. Hope he does well in camp.

:goodpost:

Im actually very unimpressed by Foster. But due to the fact he's a bigger back he might make the roster before JJ. Plus i view Moats as a poor mans slaton. Putting JJ on the roster would esentially have three of the same thing. I'd love it. But not really sure it would happen.

Texans34Life
05-02-2009, 07:49 PM
http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFL/AFC/AFC+South/Houston/WWHI/2009/wwhi050209.htm

Undrafted RB Jeremiah Johnson hopes to catch on with Texans

By Mike Wilkening
May 2, 2009

A right shoulder injury and running the 40-yard dash in the 4.6 range caused former Oregon RB Jeremiah Johnson to go undrafted, but it did not take him long to land with the Texans, who were looking to bring in competition for the reserve roles behind starter Steve Slaton. Johnson dislocated the shoulder in the second game of his senior season at Oregon, but he did not miss a start, and he was able to bench-press 225 pounds 20 times at the Combine. "I thought the shoulder wouldn’t be (an issue to teams)," Johnson told PFW. No determination has been made on whether the shoulder will require surgery, with Johnson telling PFW that the decision will be made in consultation with the Texans. The 5-9, 210-pound Johnson will be making the transition from Oregon's shotgun spread attack to the Texans' offense, which requires backs to quickly hit the hole — something Johnson counts as a strength. "I’m the type of back who doesn’t dance around," Johnson said. Also, he has experience on special teams as a kickoff and punt returner, as well as a wedge buster on kickoffs. Johnson will compete with another undrafted free agent, Tennessee's Arian Foster, as well as veterans Chris Brown and Ryan Moats.

Thorn
05-02-2009, 07:59 PM
I hate to say this, but if Chris Brown stays health through training camp, he's a lock at sharing time with Slaton. All he'll do though is use up a RB slot on the team preventing us from keeping a promising young RB to coach up. Chris Brown = Aman Green, he'll never ever stay healthy. I'd wish we'd just dump him and let Moats and these two rookies fight it out. In the short run that might be risky, but would pay off more down the road than keeping another injury prone RB.

Insideop
05-02-2009, 09:10 PM
I hate to say this, but if Chris Brown stays health through training camp, he's a lock at sharing time with Slaton. All he'll do though is use up a RB slot on the team preventing us from keeping a promising young RB to coach up. Chris Brown = Aman Green, he'll never ever stay healthy. I'd wish we'd just dump him and let Moats and these two rookies fight it out. In the short run that might be risky, but would pay off more down the road than keeping another injury prone RB.

While I agree with what you are saying I still think JJ and Foster will be with the Texans in one way or another. Probably PS for JJ, or if he gets his shoulder worked on, then IR. Foster should be on the PS too if Brown manages to stay healthy. I wonder what the odds are on that? :thinking:

The only thing I think could change all this is if we pick up another back (probably a Denver back) that's been cut loose. JMHO!

Texan4Ever
05-02-2009, 10:55 PM
What I think is that Chris Brown will probably end up being cut and I imagine that Steve Slaton will be our starter, JJ our 3rd down back, Foster as our big back to complement Slaton, and Moats as a backup RB. I think thats good depth at RB and we might want to pickup another one just in case one of our RBs goes down.

mussop
05-03-2009, 12:02 AM
I love Johnson and think he will fit in perfect with this offense. I think he will be the more consistant runner while Moats will be the more explosive back capable of taking it to the house on any given play but he tries to take it outside too much. If Moats can learn to cut-n-go he should win job. I dont think he will and Johnson will win the backup role as Slatons backup.

I watched Foster play a few times and never came away impressed. Looked like a slower Ron Dayne to me. Unless he was not a 100% and comes in and blows the coaches away I dont see anyway he beats out Brown barring Brown not being able to stay healthy.

Also dont forget about Casey. I could see us using him as a short yardage back if he shows any ability at all in that area in training camp.

Side note: Wouldnt be cool to see Barwin and Casey in the backfield at the same time. Both are big fast physical guys that can catch the ball. That could be a fun short yardage lineup to watch and a hard one to defend.

Texan4Ever
05-03-2009, 12:52 AM
Side note: Wouldnt be cool to see Barwin and Casey in the backfield at the same time. Both are big fast physical guys that can catch the ball. That could be a fun short yardage lineup to watch and a hard one to defend.



That would be awesome, or adding Hill into the mix would help Slaton run through holes without having to take on a defender. Hill, Casey, and Barwin would make a good goal-line situation attack. Let Casey or Barwin run it with the other and Hill as lead blockers.

JayCee
05-03-2009, 06:04 AM
so is his speed as bad as 4.60? he looked pretty quick in those highlights

Lucky
05-03-2009, 12:21 PM
Let's be honest. The Texans do not have an answer at RB if Steve Slaton goes down for any length of time. Be it the year, a month, a game, or a quarter. I laughed out loud when Rick Smith mentioned Chris Brown during the pre-draft press conference. Forget his injury status, Brown looked shot last preseason. He has nothing left and he couldn't be counted on to stay on the field when he still had game.

Ryan Moats has never carried the football more than 12 times in a NFL game. And didn't look great with those 12 carries. He's an emergency RB and special teamer who is strictly a fringe NFL player. Moats is the type of player that teams should be looking to replace, not someone that you're counting on.

The Texans didn't like this rookie class of RBs, at least where they were drafting. Which is fine, you can't draft players you don't like just to fill a need. The Texans picked up a couple of injury prone backs from the undrafted pool. Johnson isn't going to be able to run inside in the NFL. He's a 3rd down back who could possibly help on special teams. Johnson would compete with Moats for a roster spot. Foster has the size to run inside. But he has the tendency to pop up in the hole (or before he even gets to the hole) and jump outside. that's not what the Texans need, either. Foster is a good receiver, however, and might be able to win the #3 RB spot.

The Texans still have a gaping hole at the #2 RB spot. They need to look very hard at the RB situations in the league. Especially what's going on between Thomas Jones and the Jets. This is a very important season, and trading a 4th or 5th round 2010 pick should be considered if it would bring in a proven NFL runner.

RipTraxx
05-03-2009, 03:14 PM
so is his speed as bad as 4.60? he looked pretty quick in those highlights

40 yard dashes are overrated...IMO. I break down film.

Battle Red Flash
05-03-2009, 03:23 PM
Great Post. Good info.

I hope Kubes gives JJ a chance at 2nd string, but they keep talking about Chris Brown.

Insideop
05-03-2009, 09:05 PM
Let's be honest. The Texans do not have an answer at RB if Steve Slaton goes down for any length of time. Be it the year, a month, a game, or a quarter. I laughed out loud when Rick Smith mentioned Chris Brown during the pre-draft press conference. Forget his injury status, Brown looked shot last preseason. He has nothing left and he couldn't be counted on to stay on the field when he still had game.

Ryan Moats has never carried the football more than 12 times in a NFL game. And didn't look great with those 12 carries. He's an emergency RB and special teamer who is strictly a fringe NFL player. Moats is the type of player that teams should be looking to replace, not someone that you're counting on.

The Texans didn't like this rookie class of RBs, at least where they were drafting. Which is fine, you can't draft players you don't like just to fill a need. The Texans picked up a couple of injury prone backs from the undrafted pool. Johnson isn't going to be able to run inside in the NFL. He's a 3rd down back who could possibly help on special teams. Johnson would compete with Moats for a roster spot. Foster has the size to run inside. But he has the tendency to pop up in the hole (or before he even gets to the hole) and jump outside. that's not what the Texans need, either. Foster is a good receiver, however, and might be able to win the #3 RB spot.

The Texans still have a gaping hole at the #2 RB spot. They need to look very hard at the RB situations in the league. Especially what's going on between Thomas Jones and the Jets. This is a very important season, and trading a 4th or 5th round 2010 pick should be considered if it would bring in a proven NFL runner.

Lucky, you're saying the same thing about JJ (won't be able to run inside in the NFL) that I said last year about Slaton. If you're saying it because of his size, he's actually a little heavier than Slaton (SS=201 lbs and JJ=209 lbs). To me they are kind of similar, quick not real fast, but able to hit the hole and pop through and gain some good yardage. Slaton may be a little faster but I'm not sure. I think JJ will do alright running on the inside and I'm looking forward to seeing him and Foster in the preseason.

beerlover
05-04-2009, 10:18 AM
I'm hoping for bigger things (Jeremiah Johnson) than Tony Hollings (supplemental pick cost Texans 1st pick of the 2nd rd. 2003).

that should be your frame of reference. look how far this organization has come when you don't have to even use a draft pick on a RB yet upgrade your backfield, well maybe we're still paying for past mistakes :texflag:

El Tejano
05-04-2009, 10:41 AM
Chris Brown was out last year because of a back injury right? To me, that's all I need to know. I've had a back injury before and it takes way to long to get over the fear of hurting it again because any little thing can hurt it again. I don't know why we are putting our trust in Chris Brown.