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HoustonFrog
04-17-2009, 02:39 PM
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/041809dnspomockdraft.e3cc4cc9.html

15. Houston Texans:
Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas
Texans need help for Mario Williams up front

bah007
04-17-2009, 02:49 PM
Orakpo at #15 is a pipe dream but I wouldn't complain.

Gosselin is usually pretty good but that mock looks very unrealistic to me. Then again, it's a mock draft.

Blake
04-17-2009, 02:51 PM
First time ive seen a mock have him drop that far. I would love it. Im a big time Orakpo Fan.

And If I hear Casserly or some other douche call him OraPKo one more time im going to scream.

Vinny
04-17-2009, 02:54 PM
Orakpo at #15 is a pipe dream but I wouldn't complain.

Gosselin is usually pretty good but that mock looks very unrealistic to me. Then again, it's a mock draft.
If you look historically at all the early drafts all of them are "unrealistic". The only mocks worth a darn...ever, are the ones right before the draft when everyone starts to get better information about how the scouts and teams are really sitting. I mean, people were laughing at mocksters who had Josh Freeman in their first round mocks until he was invited to the combine...now everyone is sticking him in their mock.

Ole Miss Texan
04-17-2009, 02:55 PM
First time ive seen a mock have him drop that far. I would love it. Im a big time Orakpo Fan.

And If I hear Casserly or some other douche call him OraPKo one more time im going to scream.
I could just hear Casserly saying, "Defensive end nightmares, Mare-eo and OraP-ko"

HoustonFrog
04-17-2009, 03:00 PM
Orakpo at #15 is a pipe dream but I wouldn't complain.

Gosselin is usually pretty good but that mock looks very unrealistic to me. Then again, it's a mock draft.

From the below quote he might have just done this on pure need without being tricky. But I agree, I doubt it does down like this.

The first one last Sunday was based on best available player. This one places a greater emphasis on team need.

threetoedpete
04-17-2009, 03:02 PM
I'd probably die of a heart attack if we got him. No way. Fourteen teams are going to be scared off the guy ? No way. I believe....no matter who else they pick.....we win the division with Orakpo. They say they don't want to move Mario. And I believe them. More realistic....Ayers/Sidbury rotating with Antonio Smith.

HOU-TEX
04-17-2009, 03:03 PM
He's probably wanting to be different from the other trillion mocks that are constantly popping up every day.

TimeKiller
04-17-2009, 03:08 PM
Oh hell yes.

bah007
04-17-2009, 04:00 PM
From the below quote he might have just done this on pure need without being tricky. But I agree, I doubt it does down like this.

And yet he has Seattle taking a QB?

bah007
04-17-2009, 04:04 PM
If you look historically at all the early drafts all of them are "unrealistic". The only mocks worth a darn...ever, are the ones right before the draft when everyone starts to get better information about how the scouts and teams are really sitting. I mean, people were laughing at mocksters who had Josh Freeman in their first round mocks until he was invited to the combine...now everyone is sticking him in their mock.

And now Kiper is saying that Freeman is a second round prospect.

All this "stock" stuff is BS. A guy's talent and ability does not change drastically during the period between the combine and the draft. Only your perception of it does. When I see a "draftnik" that is constantly changing up his big board this late it tells me that he doesn't scout the players. He is going off of other people's opinions.

I've had Freeman as a second round prospect since day one. The only changes you will see me making to my draft board this late is for small school guys that I don't get to watch because I don't have access to their game tapes.

nunusguy
04-17-2009, 04:09 PM
Somebody needs to tell Gosselin that Orakpo is moving up the Boards not down, whereas Curry is moving in just the opposite direction.
Gosselin must be hittin the sauce while compiling this years mocks ?
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Check that - I'm seeing a lot of mocks besides this one where Orakpo seems to be dropping, in some cases dramatically, so I dunno what's going on for sure with the Texas DE ?

HoustonFrog
04-17-2009, 04:24 PM
And yet he has Seattle taking a QB?

Hassleback isn't getting any younger or healthier and their backups are horrible

Somebody needs to tell Gosselin that Orakpo is moving up the Boards not down, whereas Curry is moving in just the opposite direction.
Gosselin must be hittin the sauce while compiling this years mocks ?

I think I'll trust him for right now. Again, it seems like he tried to do this one a little differently to see how it plays out. But he is tops when it comes to this stuff.

bah007
04-17-2009, 04:47 PM
Hassleback isn't getting any younger or healthier and their backups are horrible...

Hasselback can still play though.

If this mock is based on need then is Seattle's biggest need a backup QB? Or is Sanchez going to start over Hasselback?

awtysst
04-17-2009, 04:55 PM
When it comes to Draft Gurus, Gosselin is the best.

I would love to get Orakpo, but I don't think GB, Buffalo, and Washington all pass on him. I could see us trading up with Washington and giving up a forth if he is still there, but I have a hard time seeing him dropping all the way to 15. If he does, something is wrong.

Ole Miss Texan
04-17-2009, 05:13 PM
And now Kiper is saying that Freeman is a second round prospect.

All this "stock" stuff is BS. A guy's talent and ability does not change drastically during the period between the combine and the draft. Only your perception of it does. When I see a "draftnik" that is constantly changing up his big board this late it tells me that he doesn't scout the players. He is going off of other people's opinions.

I've had Freeman as a second round prospect since day one. The only changes you will see me making to my draft board this late is for small school guys that I don't get to watch because I don't have access to their game tapes.
I agree with you on the 'stock' stuff. A 3rd round talent isn't all of a sudden a 1st round talent because of their offseason stuff. They've been that 1st round talent all along. It's just people's perceptions/getting to know more about the player/etc. that changes.

At the end of the day, all that matters is how the teams view these players, not the draftniks and fans.

A prospect's stock is fairly similar to a company's stock, but not quite exact. The player's height/weight, athleticism, etc. + their play on the field, character off the field, etc. are just like companies releasing quarterly/annual reports. What they do "on the field" and "on the books" effects what their "stock" does. The difference is that the 'market' that determines this stock isn't public... the teams determine this on an individual basis pertaining towards their team. Very rarely is there an 'overnight' jump in a players stock... it's gradual even though the casual fan doesn't see this.

awtysst
04-17-2009, 06:34 PM
Hasselback can still play though.

If this mock is based on need then is Seattle's biggest need a backup QB? Or is Sanchez going to start over Hasselback?

I think the idea is that Hasselback hangs around for a year and teaches Sanchez. Then next year Snachez is the starter. Its not a bad idea, if you think Sanchez is a quality QB.

I don't and think there are MUCH better QBs in next year's draft(McCoy, Bradford, Snead, maybe Tebow, Hiller, Robinson, etc)

steelbtexan
04-17-2009, 06:57 PM
I agree with you on the 'stock' stuff. A 3rd round talent isn't all of a sudden a 1st round talent because of their offseason stuff. They've been that 1st round talent all along. It's just people's perceptions/getting to know more about the player/etc. that changes.

At the end of the day, all that matters is how the teams view these players, not the draftniks and fans.

A prospect's stock is fairly similar to a company's stock, but not quite exact. The player's height/weight, athleticism, etc. + their play on the field, character off the field, etc. are just like companies releasing quarterly/annual reports. What they do "on the field" and "on the books" effects what their "stock" does. The difference is that the 'market' that determines this stock isn't public... the teams determine this on an individual basis pertaining towards their team. Very rarely is there an 'overnight' jump in a players stock... it's gradual even though the casual fan doesn't see this.

Ole Miss

What do you think of the stock market?

It's trending up do you think it will continue to trend up?

Kinda like Brett Staffords stock. The only way he wont be taken #1 is if his agent gets greedy.

edo783
04-17-2009, 09:05 PM
The only mock of Gosselin's that means anything is the one the day before the draft. That one is typically pretty darn accurate, but up to that point............

HoustonFrog
04-17-2009, 10:35 PM
I think the idea is that Hasselback hangs around for a year and teaches Sanchez. Then next year Snachez is the starter. Its not a bad idea, if you think Sanchez is a quality QB.

I don't and think there are MUCH better QBs in next year's draft(McCoy, Bradford, Snead, maybe Tebow, Hiller, Robinson, etc)

Beat me to it...what he said. Sanchez isn't ready as a rookie. He learns under Hassleback and then they have their next franchise QB.

Jackie Chiles
04-17-2009, 11:00 PM
I think the idea is that Hasselback hangs around for a year and teaches Sanchez. Then next year Snachez is the starter. Its not a bad idea, if you think Sanchez is a quality QB.

I don't and think there are MUCH better QBs in next year's draft(McCoy, Bradford, Snead, maybe Tebow, Hiller, Robinson, etc)

Pretty much sums it up but it will be interesting to see how Hasselbeck's remaining career plays out. I could see him leaving after a year but if he is healthy and productive this season it will be a tough call on their part. Two years as a backup wouldn't be the end of the world for Sanchez (see Aaron Rodgers) and its not like Hasselbeck is Farve as far as health. Sanchez will get some starts before he officially becomes the starter there. Heck, if Hasselbeck's health goes south early thats a pretty good insurance policy. Starting to get the feeling that the top 4 picks, barring trades, are going to go QB, OT, OT, QB.

nunusguy
04-18-2009, 08:47 AM
When it comes to Draft Gurus, Gosselin is the best.

I would love to get Orakpo, but I don't think GB, Buffalo, and Washington all pass on him. I could see us trading up with Washington and giving up a forth if he is still there, but I have a hard time seeing him dropping all the way to 15. If he does, something is wrong.

If we trade up for any defensive player I expect it to be Raji, the Boston DT.
Regarding Gosselin as a Draft Guru, I'm honestly wondering if he hasn't seen his best days, but we'll see what his final edition looks like ? BTW, I think local draft expert Lance Zeirland did as well with his mock last year as Gosselin did ?

Maddict5
04-18-2009, 10:58 AM
everette brown? :rolleyes:

inexcusable for a supposed draftnik

Vinny
04-18-2009, 03:21 PM
If we trade up for any defensive player I expect it to be Raji, the Boston DT.
Regarding Gosselin as a Draft Guru, I'm honestly wondering if he hasn't seen his best days, but we'll see what his final edition looks like ? BTW, I think local draft expert Lance Zeirland did as well with his mock last year as Gosselin did ?last days? You think just because he isn't emulating other mocks (mock drafts mind you....mocks) he is 'losing it'? Are we expecting him to be Nostradamus? Gosselin still has some of the best information out there.

HoustonFrog
04-21-2009, 10:32 AM
If we trade up for any defensive player I expect it to be Raji, the Boston DT.
Regarding Gosselin as a Draft Guru, I'm honestly wondering if he hasn't seen his best days, but we'll see what his final edition looks like ? BTW, I think local draft expert Lance Zeirland did as well with his mock last year as Gosselin did ?

I wonder where you come up with your stuff sometimes

http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/04/can-you-beat-the-best-mock-drafter.html

If they awarded a championship belt to the mock draft king, Dallas Morning News columnist Rick Gosselin would have it based on accuracy and a willingness to submerge himself in prospects' minutiae for two months each spring. At the 2009 NFL combine, Gosselin talked to 220 of the 335 invited prospects.

Texans34Life
04-21-2009, 03:05 PM
The pick Gosselin made for us looks to be a fantasy. It seems like the Redskins might take him....

per kffl.com -

Redskins | Interested in Orakpo
Tue, 21 Apr 2009 07:43:45 -0700

Jason La Canfora, of The Washington Post, reports Texas DE/OLB Brian Orakpo is a player the Washington Redskins value greatly and someone team officials have indicated they would pounce on should he slip to the No. 13 overall pick in the NFL Draft.

Blake
04-21-2009, 03:18 PM
I have no doubt that the draft "could" turn out like this. But I have a hard time seeing...

A.) Orakpo taken after Maybin (To me Maybin is more of a project)
B.) Sanchez going #4 (Dude has 1 year of football under his belt. And Seattle has a QB. Hasselbeck will be back and they will take a LT or defender. I project #12 Denver.)
C.) Freeman going #10 (Besides being big and having a great arm, what makes him a top 10 prospect? I have him around #19 the bucs down to the 2nd round.)
D.) Rey Rey falling to #23 (Falling past San Diego, NYJ, and Denver. I think he would be a great fit at ILB for a 3-4 team.

But all in all there is no reason why the draft couldnt fall that way. And I would be ECSTATIC to hear Orakpo's name get called at #15.

Vinny
04-21-2009, 06:17 PM
The pick Gosselin made for us looks to be a fantasy. It seems like the Redskins might take him....

per kffl.com -

Redskins | Interested in Orakpo
Tue, 21 Apr 2009 07:43:45 -0700

Jason La Canfora, of The Washington Post, reports Texas DE/OLB Brian Orakpo is a player the Washington Redskins value greatly and someone team officials have indicated they would pounce on should he slip to the No. 13 overall pick in the NFL Draft. I look at that same quote and wonder what they are really thinking. It's not in the best interest of any franchise to be too candid right before the draft. It would be akin to showing your cards before you try to raise the pot in a poker game.

dalemurphy
04-22-2009, 01:14 AM
I look at that same quote and wonder what they are really thinking. It's not in the best interest of any franchise to be too candid right before the draft. It would be akin to showing your cards before you try to raise the pot in a poker game.

Vinny, these are the same guys that traded into the first round days before the draft and announced to the NFL that they wanted Jason Campbell. Then, they sat there on draft day and took him. It always amazes me how guys at this level of a great business can consistently act so foolishly and use such poor judgement. It is moves like that which reinforce my confidence to second guess NFL coaches and GMs.