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texansfan88
01-19-2005, 07:42 PM
Starting today and going through every Wednesday, I will present a new mock draft with explinations and other possibilities, so without further adue, lets get it started.

Please comment as I'd like to hear your opinion on each of the selections.

1) San Francisco 49ers: Aaron Rodgers, QB California
Rodgers came on strong this year and has become a local hero in San Francisco. Rodgers led a Cal team from being one of the celler dwellers of the NCAA to a top 10 program by seasons end. New coach Mike Nolan might be interested in going elsewhere however, but I still believe that they will end up taking Aaron Rodgers on the same basis the Lions took Charles Rogers over Andre Johnson just 2 years ago.

Other Possibilities: Alex Smith, QB Utah; Derrick Johnson, LB Texas; Mike Williams, WR, USC; Antrel Rolle, CB Miami (FL);

2) Miami Dolphins: Alex Smith, QB Utah
I am basing this pick on the fact that it is overwhelmingly likely that the Dolphins will either score Shaun Alexander, Travis Henry, or Edgerrin James in the off-season via free agency. People forget that this team, with a solid running game, was one of the toughest teams to beat just 2 years ago. Smith, who is much quicker and smarter than either A.J. Feely or Jay Fiedler, might be able to bring this team back to a playoff contender in his first year in the league. I feel Nick Saban will want to find his guy at quarterback that can lead the team to prominence for many years to come.

Other Possibilities: Cedric Benson, RB Texas; Carnell Williams, RB Auburn; Ronnie Brown, RB Auburn; Derrick Johnson, LB Texas; Aaron Rodgers, QB California;

3) Cleveland Browns: Alex Barron, OT Florida State
With the only quarterbacks worth this high of a pick gone, Romeo Crennel turns to another pressing need that they've struggled with since the beginning of the new Browns in 1999, Left Tackle. This may be a few spots too high for Barron, but the Browns might realize that the line may have helped in causing injuries to Jeff Garcia and Kelly Holcomb, the top 2 quarterbacks on their depth chart. If they do decide to go defense, which might be very well possible with Phil Savage (Baltimore) and Romeo Crennel (New England) calling the shots, look for Derrick Johnson or Antrel Rolle to be taken here. Until then, my money is on Barron.

Other Possibilities: Aaron Rodgers, QB California; Alex Smith, QB Utah; Antrell Rolle, CB Miami (FL); Derrick Johnson, LB Texas; Pac Man Jones, CB West Virginia;

4) Chicago Bears: Mike Williams, WR USC
This is probably the most sure-fire pick in the draft that a blindfolded monkey could have projected. It's been painfully obvious that the Bears lack a #1 receiver since they decided to part ways with Marty Booker to sure up their defense (which didn't happen). Williams will not burn you with his speed, but will be a quality #1 that has hands made of gold. With Williams, 3rd year quarterback in Rex Grossman, and a resurgant Thomas Jones, this tandem could cause fear for the NFC North for many years to come. If Alex Barron falls here, however, they may think of taking him and moving John Tait over to the right side, shoring up what could be the best tackle combo in football.

Other Possibilities: Braylon Edwards, WR Michigan; Alex Barron, OT Florida State;

5) Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Cedric Benson, RB Texas
Jon Gruden found a good year to get a running back. With the 5th pick, he will have his options of Benson, Carnell Williams, and Ronnie Brown to pick from. I believe he'll go with the sturdy and dependable Benson. Benson has shown he can be tough and has shown signs that he can be a good pass catcher out of the backfield as well. If Mike Williams drops to here, he will also be considered in the running.

Other Possibilities: Ronnie Brown, RB Auburn; Carnell Williams, RB Auburn; Braylon Edwards, WR Michigan; Mike Williams, WR USC; Alex Barron, LT Florida State;

6) Tennessee Titans: Derrick Johnson, OLB Texas
1 word should describe this for any Texans fan: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. I don't even want to imagine Keith Bullick and Derrick Johnson on the same linebacking core, but it might become a reality April 25. If Alex Barron somehow finds his way to #6, he will most likely get the nod over Johnson or any other prospect at this point.

Other Possibilities: Alex Barron, OT Florida State; Antrell Rolle, CB Miami (FL); Pac Man Jones, CB West Virginia; Erasmus James, DE Wisconsin; (If Barron isnít there, look for the Titans to trade down and take Jammal Brown, OT from Oklahoma later in the draft.)

7) Oakland Raiders: Carnell Williams, RB Auburn
Odds are he won't be a Raider. The more likely scenario is Shaun Alexander signing on March 4, 2005. Until that day comes, I think that Williams becomes the feature back in Oakland. Injurie concerns could drop Williams down into the 20's of the draft, but I still feel he's the #2 running back on the board and will be a great pick up for Oakland. Don't rule out WR, OLB or a QB here as well.

Other Possibilities: Cedric Benson, RB Texas; Ronnie Brown, RB Auburn; Derrick Johnson, OLB Texas; Dan Cody, OLB Oklahoma; Braylon Edwards, WR Michigan; Mike Williams, WR USC; Aaron Rodgers, QB California; Alex Smith, QB Utah;

8) Arizona: Ronnie Brown, RB Auburn
For four straight picks two pairs of teammates go back to back (don't worry, won't happen again.) I feel that if any of the big 3 running backs are here, one will be going to Arizona. Even if it means passing on Alex Smith from Utah. What a difficult team to figure out draft-wise.

Other Possibilities: Carnell Williams, RB Auburn; Cedric Benson, RB Texas; Aaron Rodgers, QB California; Alex Smith, QB Utah; Justin Miller, CB Clemson; Antrell Rolle, CB Miami (FL); Pac Man Jones, CB West Virginia; Travis Johnson, DT Florida State; Erasmus James, DE Wisconsin; Derrick Johnson, OLB Texas;

9) Washington Redskins: Braylon Edwards, WR Michigan
Do you think Joe Gibbs is happy that a guy with Edwards talent dropped this low in the draft? Nope, b/c he knows his team still is terrible. But getting Edwards is a great start. Losing Rod Gardner seems inevitable at this point and Edwards would be a great compliment to an underachieving Lavernaues Coles up in Washington. They could conceiveably (SP) go corner, tight end, or defensive end here, but I feel that Edwards is too valuable to pass up.

Other Possibilities: Mike Williams, WR USC; Elton Brown, OG Virginia; Antrell Rolle, CB Miami (FL); Pac Man Jones, CB West Virginia; Justin Miller, CB Clemson; Dan Cody, DE Oklahoma; Erasmus James, DE Wisconsin; David Pollack, DE Georgia; TE Heath Miller;

10) Detroit Lions: Thomas Davis, SS Georgia
Forget everything you've heard about the Lions being disapointed in Corey Redding's performance, they love him. The one true weakness on that defense is the strong safety position where Bracy Walker has proven his case that he's just a good special teams player. Although Davis isn't great in coverage, he's suitable and they need a good run stopper to stop Ahman Green and Michael Bennett 4 times a year. No doubt in my mind this is who they pick.

Other Possibilities: Erasmus James, DE Wisconsin; David Pollack, DE Georgia; Dan Cody, DE Oklahoma; Ernest Shazor, SS Michigan; Heath Miller, TE Virginia;

11) Dallas Cowboys: Shawne Merrimen, DE Maryland
Anyone remember a guy by the name of John Abraham that came out of South Carolina as an OLB-DE tweener? Okay think that, but 5 times better, and you have Merrimen. He excelled on the same D-Line as Randy Starks last year and probably helped Starks become a dependable rookie in the NFL. Dallas needs defensive line help like none other. With Thomas Davis off the board, there's really no strong safety worth this spot to replace Darren Woodson.

Other Possibilities: Antrel Rolle, CB Miami (FL); Pac Man Jones, CB West Virginia; Erasmus James, DE Wisconsin; Dan Cody, DE Oklahoma; Justin Miller, CB Clemson; Antaaj Hawthorne, DT Wisconsin; Thomas Davis, SS Georgia;

12) San Diego Chargers: Jammal Brown, OT Oklahoma
Roman Oben is not the long term answer at right tackle. Brown has anchored one of the best Offensive lines in the country over the last 3 years and brings a lot of experience to the table that is valuable going to the NFL. Many feel that Brown isn't worth a pick this high, but with the combine workout, I believe he will be this pick without a doubt if Edwards is not here.

Other Possibilities: Dan Cody, OLB Oklahoma; Thomas Davis, SS Georgia; Braylon Edwards, WR Michigan; Mike Williams, WR USC; Shawne Merrimen, OLB Maryland; Derrick Johnson, OLB Texas;

13) Houston Texans: Antrel Rolle, CB Miami (FL)
This may not be the most popular pick of the day, but I don't think I'd be disapointed. Odds are Rolle wouldn't start his first year or two in the NFL, but would be tutored by one of the best coaches and DB's in the game today. While it could be possible to take Heath Miller here, I don't see them passing up a potential pro bowl corner in Rolle if he's available here.

Other Possibilities: Jammal Brown, OT Oklahoma; Marcus Spears, DE LSU; Thomas Davis, SS Georgia; Heath Miller, TE Virginia; Ronnie Brown, RB Auburn; Antaaj Hawthorne, DE Wisconsin; Ernest Shazor, SS Michigan;

14) Carolina Panthers: Heath Miller, TE Virginia
Although it could be very likely this pick becomes possesion of a team trading up to get Travis Johnson away from Cincinnati, I feel that they will take Heath Miller with this pick. Injuries is what killed the Panthers this season, and really, they don't have a true weakness other than the tight end position. Elton Brown could be another possible selection if they decide to move down.

Other Possibilities: Jammal Brown, OT Oklahoma; Elton Brown, OG Virginia; Adam Terry, OT Syracuse;

15) Kansas City Chiefs: Pac Man Jones, CB West Virginia
Talk about a team that needs a defensive playmaker. I don't care where they go on the defense, they just need to get an impact player. It's possible they take a defensive end here, but Holliday and Hicks are quality DE's in their own right. I think they take the best secondary player available, which is Adam "Pac Man" Jones. I'm not too high on Jones, mainly b/c the toughest receiver he went up against other than Thorpe in the bowl game, was King out of Connecticut. We'll see how he does in the workouts, then we'll talk.

Other Possibilities: Antrel Rolle, CB Miami (FL); Erasmus James, DE Wisconsin; David Pollack, DE Georgia; Justin Miller, CB Clemson; Channing Crowder, MLB Florida;

texansfan88
01-19-2005, 07:43 PM
16) New Orleans Saints: Rian Wallace, OLB Temple
Talk about a tough team to figure out draft wise. They wanted to draft D.J. Williams last year but Denver traded up and took him instead. Wallace is an unknown but will end up being a top 20 pick when it's all said and done. Look for them to possibly trade down a few spots as well if someone wants Travis Johnson ahead of Cincinnati.

Other Possibilities: Kevin Burnett, OLB Tennessee; Daryl Blackstock, OLB Virginia; Justin Miller, CB Clemson; Erasmus James, DE Wisconsin; Travis Johnson, DT Florida State;

17) Cincinnati Bengals: Travis Johnson, DT Florida State
Some peoples responses will be saying ABOUT TIME!, but to be honest, I don't think he'll crack higher than this. I've never been impressed while watching him play, but maybe I'm just missing something. The Bengals tried to get Warren Sapp last year, but get themselves a young guy in Johnson.

Other Possibilities: Antaaj Hawthorne, DT Wisconsin; Justin Miller, CB Clemson; Pac Man Jones, CB Clemson; Erasmus James, DE Wisconsin;

18) Minnesota Vikings: Shaun Cody, DT USC
I consider this guy the best Defensive Tackle in the draft this year. Although they have Keneche Udezi and Kevin Williams anchoring the DLine, it's likely they'll need a replacement for Chris Hovan, who's not expected back. Linebackers are also a big concern for the Vikings, but only Channing Crowder is worth this spot, so look for him if they go that direction.

Other Possibilities: Antaaj Hawthorne, DT Wisconsin; Ernest Shazor, SS Michigan; Brodney Pool, SS Oklahoma; Channing Crowder, MLB Florida; Kevin Burnett, OLB Tennessee; Daryl Blackstock, OLB Virginia;

19) St. Louis Rams: Channing Crowder, MLB Florida
After watching the massacre from the Atlanta Falcons, it became painfully obvious that linebackers that can stop the run is much more important than right tackle. Crowder is the only linebacker that is worth this spot and rightfully so. If they do go tackle, it would be a reach to go after Wes Britt or Adam Terry, but it is possible with good workouts that this might not be much of a reach at the #19 slot.

Other Possibilities: Justin Miller, CB Clemson; Kevin Burnett, OLB Tennessee; Daryl Blackstock, OLB Virginia; Carlos Rogers, CB Auburn;

20) Dallas Cowboys: Anttaj Hawthorne, DT Wisconsin
You'd be crazy to not fear the defensive line for the Cowboys if they add Merrimen and Hawthorne this year in the draft. Hawthorne's play was often overshadowed by Erasmus James and Hawthorne had a good season as well. Although he has dropped off from when he was considered a top 5 pick at season's beginning, he is rightfully deserving of a top 20 pick.

Other Possibilities: Carlos Rogers, CB Auburn Justin Miller, CB Clemson; Marlin Jackson, CB Michigan; Ernest Shazor, SS Michigan; Brodney Pool, SS Oklahoma;

21) Jacksonville Jaguars: Erasmus James, DE Wisconsin
Remember earlier I told you there would be no more back to back teammates? I lied. Some of you are probably shocked that no defensive end has gone yet, but I think that it's very likely none go until this pick. James is a top 10 pick if he wasn't injury prone. Unfortunately, he has been unable to stay healthy for 4 years now. If John Henderson and Marcus Stroud alone don't make you scared, just wait until they add either Dan Cody, this guy, or David Pollack. Look for Justin Miller or Carlos Rogers here as well.

Other Possibilities: Carlos Rogers, CB Auburn Justin Miller, CB Clemson; Marlin Jackson, CB Michigan; David Pollack, DE Georgia; Marcus Spears, DE LSU; Dan Cody, DE Oklahoma;

22) Troy Williamson, WR South Carolina
It's obvious the Ravens have been lacking a #1 receiver for awhile now, and Travis Taylor will never be the answer. While pretty much unknown, Williamson might end up going even higher than this with good workouts. I don't see anything else other than this or Roddy White at this spot.

Other Possibilities: Marc Clayton, WR Oklahoma; Roddy White, WR UAB; Carlos Rogers, CB Auburn;

23) Seattle Seahawks: Marion Barber III, RB Minnesota
With Shaun Alexander more than likely out of Seattle, they're going to need a top tier running back to stay in the hunt in the NFC West. Barber doesn't get the publicity that Benson, Brown and Williams do, but some think he's just as good. If Channing Crowder isn't here, I think that this becomes the automatic pick as they can't have Maurice Morris as the star next year on the ground.

Other Possibilities: Ciatrick Fason, RB Florida; Vernand Morency, RB Oklahoma State; Odell Thurman, MLB Georgia; Lance Mitchell, MLB Oklahoma;

24) Green Bay Packers: David Pollack, DE Georgia
Aaron Kampman isn't very good...at all. David Pollack has a ton of value at this pick and more than a Charlie Frye does here. Pollack is a high-motor player that doesn't quit on any given play. He will be a menace for all the offensive tackles all of his career.

25) Denver Broncos: Marcus Spears, DE LSU
This too is going to be a feared line, especially if they add on Corey Simon or Chris Hovan in the off season. Spears is a very athletic player for his size and is a very skilled player. Spears also has a ton of value here. Don't be shocked if Charlie Frye is selected here to be groomed as Jake Plummer's eventual successor.

Other Possibilities: Dan Cody, DE Oklahoma; David Pollack, DE LSU; Charlie Frye, QB Akron;

26) New York Jets: Carlos Rogers, CB Auburn
The Jets main priority is to get John Abraham back and will likely do it with the franchise tag. The GM of the Jets has stated that they want to add a lot of youth to the secondary and there's no better way to start than with a guy like Carlos Rogers. Rogers was named the top cornerback in college football this year and there's no reason to think it was a fluke. He was one of the main reasons for Auburn's success this year and is a leader on the defense. If Rogers isn't the answer, they might take a look at Justin Miller out of Clemson or Ernest Shazor out of Michigan.

Other Possibilities: Justin Miller, CB Clemson; Marlin Jackson, CB Michigan; Ernest Shazor, SS Michigan; Brodney Pool, SS Oklahoma; Adam Terry, OT Syracuse;

NOTE: Picks 27-32 will not yet have explinations due to the non-set draft order. So they are just picks until February 6th.

27) Atlanta Falcons: Adam Terry, OT Syracuse
28) San Diego Chargers: Dan Cody, OLB Oklahoma
29) Indianapolis Colts: Justin Miller, CB Clemson
30) New England Patriots: Elton Brown, OG Virginia
31) Philadelphia Eagles: Roddy White, WR UAB
32) Pittsburgh Steelers: Brandon Browner, CB Oregon State

D-ReK
01-19-2005, 08:25 PM
pretty good mock...I was shocked to see Rolle available at 13...He doesn't address our most pressing needs, but it would be hard to pass up that much potential at that pick...

texansfan88
01-19-2005, 08:29 PM
He probably won't be, but you never know, the draft is always full of weird surprises

texansfan88
01-19-2005, 08:43 PM
dont be shy to criticize

F-minus67
01-19-2005, 09:28 PM
Looks solid except for Merriman going be for Erasmus James, and that dude from temple will not go in the first round.

texansfan88
01-19-2005, 09:35 PM
Looks solid except for Merriman going be for Erasmus James, and that dude from temple will not go in the first round.
I really like Erasmus dont get me wrong, but his injuries are going to kill his stock by about 10 spots unfortunately. He hasn't had one season where he's been healthy and the nfl game is a lot more grueling and longer.

I sort of agree with you on the Rian Wallace deal. Burnett or Blackstock will probably go in that spot, but right now, Wallace is one of the guys whos stock is going up steadily.

D-ReK
01-19-2005, 09:37 PM
Just for argument sake, I think 16 is a little high for Wallace...Burnett seems to be a better prospect, but he's coming off knee surgery...You're right, the Saints are pretty much an enigma as far as the draft is concerned...

Also, I've seen on a few forums that Viking fans are crying about not needing a DT regardless of what plays out with the Hovan situation...Viking fans seem to want more secondary support than anything...

And what, no Mike Nugent? He's a top 15 pick!



:jk:

texansfan88
01-19-2005, 09:42 PM
Just for argument sake, I think 16 is a little high for Wallace...Burnett seems to be a better prospect, but he's coming off knee surgery...You're right, the Saints are pretty much an enigma as far as the draft is concerned...

Also, I've seen on a few forums that Viking fans are crying about not needing a DT regardless of what plays out with the Hovan situation...Viking fans seem to want more secondary support than anything...

And what, no Mike Nugent? He's a top 15 pick!



:jk:
I hear the same stuff from the Viking fans. Their secondary is fine the way it is. I'd take Brian Russell over a good amount of safeties in the league today. If they should be crying about anything it's those terrible linebackers they have.

Most are claiming that they can get Thomas Davis at that spot somehow. For Ernest Shazor, 18 is TOO HIGH, as in way too high at this point. If they don't get Crowder, it'll be a DT.

People can say what they want a bout Goo Wallace. I've liked what I seen. Do I think that's high for him? ABSOLUTELY. But it fills a need of theirs and while Burnett and possibly Blackstock are better prospects, both have had injuries and Blackstock is a little slow in the head at times, which forced him to leave school anyway (failed out) Thats why I offered the ability for them to trade down and for someone to jump ahead of Cincinnati to get Travis Johnson, which I think is going to happen

beerlover
01-19-2005, 09:52 PM
overall excellent I'm very impressed. as good as any I've seen, of course I have different ideas but that doesn't mean either of us are going to right come draft day, that being said-

the 49ers will trade out of the 1st pick, but Aaron Rogers will be selected over Alex Smith.
the Fins need a rb not a qb, maybe your right but Edgerrin James just doesn't seem to be a Saban type plus he's on the downhill side of his career. Travis Henry combo with Cedric seems like a better plan.
Browns=Barron
Bears need a complete package @ WR & Edwards to me is clearly the best talent in the draft at this position & very coachable.
Bucs fit better with Carnell Williams reminds me more of Warrick Dunn or Curtis Martin.
Titans=Johnson
Raiders might win the Edgerrin sweepstakes which would still leave a huge hole @ WR see Mike Williams.
Cards=Smith & not Emmitt, I'd be shocked if Kipper convinces the whole NFL Alex deserves to be a top 5 pick.
Skins scare me, this is were I'm worried they select the new hog, Elton Brown.
Lions=Davis
Boyz will not pass on Rolle even though Merrimen seems like a viable pick.
Bolts=Jammal Brown
Texans wheres the beef? Carr needs protection & running game improves without another RB instead commitment to the offensive line in Elton Brown.

thats probably enough for now, since all we care about really are the Texans anyway, still I basicly like your Mock draft, good job :thumbup

texansfan88
01-19-2005, 10:20 PM
overall excellent I'm very impressed. as good as any I've seen, of course I have different ideas but that doesn't mean either of us are going to right come draft day, that being said-

the 49ers will trade out of the 1st pick, but Aaron Rogers will be selected over Alex Smith.
the Fins need a rb not a qb, maybe your right but Edgerrin James just doesn't seem to be a Saban type plus he's on the downhill side of his career. Travis Henry combo with Cedric seems like a better plan.
Browns=Barron
Bears need a complete package @ WR & Edwards to me is clearly the best talent in the draft at this position & very coachable.
Bucs fit better with Carnell Williams reminds me more of Warrick Dunn or Curtis Martin.
Titans=Johnson
Raiders might win the Edgerrin sweepstakes which would still leave a huge hole @ WR see Mike Williams.
Cards=Smith & not Emmitt, I'd be shocked if Kipper convinces the whole NFL Alex deserves to be a top 5 pick.
Skins scare me, this is were I'm worried they select the new hog, Elton Brown.
Lions=Davis
Boyz will not pass on Rolle even though Merrimen seems like a viable pick.
Bolts=Jammal Brown
Texans wheres the beef? Carr needs protection & running game improves without another RB instead commitment to the offensive line in Elton Brown.

thats probably enough for now, since all we care about really are the Texans anyway, still I basicly like your Mock draft, good job :thumbup
Thanks for the compliment. I decided to send it to Charlie Pallilo b/c if anyone heard his top 10 on the mock draft today, you would have been disgusted. Heath Miller to the Cardinals!

I'm not too sure what the 49ers will do. I think Nolan knows what it's like to be a team without a good quarterback. As much as he likes defense, I can't see that there is someone willing to trade up to #1 to get Rodgers. I know Donahue stated he wasn't going to take a qb but he's not there anymore so I just went with what I think.

For the #2 pick I can and cant see where you're coming from. Henry wants to go to Miami. If he goes there, do you think he's going to be happy knowing he has to compete with another 1st round running back in Cedric Benson? That's the whole reason he wanted out of Buffalo to begin with. The rule of thumb still is and always will remain if there's a franchise qb out there, you must take him if you don't have one already. Could Alex Smith be another Joey Harrington? Yes. Could Alex Smith be another Ben Roethlisberger? Yes. So it's tough to gauge what if possibilities. With that said, I think Saban takes a QB.

For the #4 pick, I agree that Braylon is the all around package at the wideout position this year (ask cedric griffin). Unfortunately, I'm not too sure they're willing to gamble on another Michigan wide receiver again. Anyone remember David Terrell? I thought the same of Terrell when he was coming out and he proved me wrong. Mike Williams isn't going to burn anyone with a 4.6 and quite frankly, he might become a TE later in his career (see Billy Miller) just b/c of his weight. With that said, I think Williams still goes to Chicago just b/c of his hands of gold ONLY if he post the same #'s he did last year in pro days.

For the #5 Pick, that will be interesting to say the least. I think if Cedric Benson is there, that they will take him. Simms and Benson in the same backfield again (why am i seeing image of Colorado/Texas big 12 game? NOOOO) Anyways, Carnell Williams is going to be on Jon Gruden's roster for the Senior Bowl (strategic move by Carnell to get in with a future employer like Rivers did? Possibly). Benson consistently puts up good #'s and stays healthy. So I give him the nod at 5.

For the #7 pick, I think that Shaun Alexander is the more likely candidate to be getting the ball in Oakland if Lamont Jordan isn't. But, lets say that he goes to the Eagles? or stays with the 'Hawks somehow? or goes to Carolina who is interested in trading for Henry already? Or Arizona? So it's tough to tell at this point what's going to happen with that. As of today, wide receiver isn't as big of a need as running back. That's why I feel they take Carnell Williams at 7.

For the #8, it will be Ronnie Brown, book it. lol no explination, but Smith won't fall this far.

#9...they need Braylon if he get's this far. Their WR core is one of the most underachieving in the league. Unless they get Jerry Porter, who is rumored to be a Jaguar or Eagle next year, then I think then they'd handle their OG position. Remember, the Redskins and Daniel Snyder are all about skill positions and big names. Elton Brown wouldn't sell jerseys.

#11...You might be right about Rolle, but everyone I've talked to that follows Cowboy football says that they don't need another CB and that they need help up front. Merrimen is a really really talented guy, but much like Randy Starks last year, could steadily slip if the expectations are set too high. I think the boys would be in business if they had Greg Ellis, Laroi Glover, Anttaj Hawthorne, and Shawne Merrimen across that line.

#13...Everyone will differ on opinion with this one. Personally, I feel if Rolle is there, he's head and shoulders above any other guy left on the board as far as overall talent is concerned. When you face qbs like McNair, Manning and Leftwich 6 times a year, you can never have enough good DB's and that's why I feel they take him over Brown, when they can get a guy like Rueggmer (SP) in Free Agency.

Thanks for your compliments

beerlover
01-19-2005, 10:29 PM
lets just focus on the Texans for now, if as you said Antrell Rolle was still on the board @ the 13th pick what kind of offers do you think the Texans would get? It would certainly seem like a package that would favor us if he does slip this far, what do you think about that?

texansfan88
01-19-2005, 10:34 PM
It's tough to say b/c I'm not sure who the Texans would be aiming for if they moved down. I could see possibly the Saints moving up 3, I could see the Bengals moving up 4 spots, and possibly the Rams moving up 6 spots.

I really think in this division, you need to have a good secondary to survive, and I wouldn't even consider dropping down if Rolle is sitting in my lap there.

Odds are that San Diego, or Arizona would likely get the offers since both can afford to move back and not lose much ground.

But if they were to trade down, I'd accept nothing less than a 1st and 2nd for this year from any team. What's the worst that can happen? they say no and you end up getting Antrel Rolle? I'd take it. Remember, you control all negotiating power in that scenario. Because you'd be equally satisfied with dropping back 4 spots and gaining a 2nd round pick, or you could stay where you are and give Jon Hoke another toy to play with

D-ReK
01-19-2005, 10:39 PM
lets just focus on the Texans for now, if as you said Antrell Rolle was still on the board @ the 13th pick what kind of offers do you think the Texans would get? It would certainly seem like a package that would favor us if he does slip this far, what do you think about that?

If we were able to get a package that included an extra 1st in 2006, I would be all for trading down...The 2006 1st round is shaping up to be a great one...

If we don't get a future first, then I say just take Rolle and be happy we got a top 5 talent at 13...

beerlover
01-19-2005, 10:50 PM
It's tough to say b/c I'm not sure who the Texans would be aiming for if they moved down. I could see possibly the Saints moving up 3, I could see the Bengals moving up 4 spots, and possibly the Rams moving up 6 spots.

I really think in this division, you need to have a good secondary to survive, and I wouldn't even consider dropping down if Rolle is sitting in my lap there.

Odds are that San Diego, or Arizona would likely get the offers since both can afford to move back and not lose much ground.

But if they were to trade down, I'd accept nothing less than a 1st and 2nd for this year from any team. What's the worst that can happen? they say no and you end up getting Antrel Rolle? I'd take it. Remember, you control all negotiating power in that scenario. Because you'd be equally satisfied with dropping back 4 spots and gaining a 2nd round pick, or you could stay where you are and give Jon Hoke another toy to play with

in a perfect world I would be willing to trade down & aquire the additional 2nd round pick & still draft Elton Brown if thats consensus :cool:

texansfan88
01-19-2005, 10:50 PM
You're not going to get a package that will state anything in the following:

2005 1st round pick
2006 1st round pick

Not going to happen (although the Saints accomplished it back when Casserly accepted the deal that made Ricky a Saint and Bailey a Skin)

You're best shot is to say:

We want
2005 1st Round Pick
2005 2nd Round Pick
2005 6th Round Pick

For:
2005 1st Round Pick (Antrel Rolle)

Again, if you have the negotiating power, you're going to get what you want, whether it be Rolle or more picks.

Just a side note, The Texans always have every possible scenario decided out a few days before the draft starts. Straight from one scouts mouth

"We Know every possible trade up, trade down we can make, or who we will get if we stay put"

texansfan88
01-19-2005, 10:53 PM
in a perfect world I would be willing to trade down & aquire the additional 2nd round pick & still draft Elton Brown if thats consensus :cool:
I'm telling you man, as of right now, it's a reach to consider him a top 18 guy...right now he's probably the 24th best player in the draft

D-ReK
01-19-2005, 10:58 PM
I agree that it's highly unlikely that we get an additional 1st, but given that scenario, I would gladly "settle" for Rolle...

texansfan88
01-19-2005, 11:00 PM
Alright, I have a 6:30 AM class so I better get to bed.

Thank you for all your compliments and hopefully this is something everyone will enjoy over the next few months since it's a weekly thing. I'm hoping to get an interview on 610 or 790 but I'm no Mel Kiper (I knew I should have put Dan Cody as our pick!)

Anyways I'll be on tommorow to answer any more questions and a new mock will be up next wednesday.

later

texansfan88
01-19-2005, 11:05 PM
If you have any more questions, just post them and I'll get to them by 3:30 tommorow afternoon

Grid
01-19-2005, 11:10 PM
with all the wheeling and dealing that happens on draft day.. a possible package could be:

2005 1st
2006 1st

for our

2005 1st
2005 3rd (from dallas)

this would be more than fair I would think.. and one of my biggest complaints with our drafting.. really my ONLY complaint cause we have done awesome.. is that we have never stockpiled picks. Nothing beats going into a good draft with your pick of the litter... and next year looks like its gonna be a good draft.

jacquescas
01-20-2005, 01:52 AM
I think the offensive line is not going to change. Wand played well in his first year. Pitts did well his first year in the new position minus alot of penalties, and the right side was solid. We need more interior line help than on the outside, and no one spends a top 15 pick on interior lineman.

The only pick that will help the pass and run game will be getting a TE. If you can go with Miller at 13 or trade down just a couple spots to assure someone of Rolle. but it would be hard to give Carolina the chance at Miller.

beerlover
01-20-2005, 09:17 AM
this must be a much better draft than 2003, if your telling me that Elton Brown is the 24th rated player compared to Jorden Gross selected #8? Yes I have noticed (I use Huddle) that EB is rated the #1 Guard but @ positon 33, that the next #1 rated position is the Center @ 77, followed by Punters @ 92, Kickers @ 98 & Fullback @ 222. what does it all mean **** I don't know?

http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/va/sports/m-footbl/auto_action/a-71_Elton_Brown.jpg

thanks DC_ROCK for the help with the pics, just testing.....

Meloy
01-20-2005, 12:12 PM
pretty good mock...I was shocked to see Rolle available at 13...He doesn't address our most pressing needs, but it would be hard to pass up that much potential at that pick...

WOW! You guys are willing to use the 13th pick in first round on a guy the mock draft suggests may not start for 1-2 years? We must be stronger than I thought. I like what I hear about Rolle, but isn't dline a bigger need? I strongly believe Payne will be gone as someone will pay him more than the minimum Texans will offer. :hmmm:

infantrycak
01-20-2005, 12:22 PM
I strongly believe Payne will be gone as someone will pay him more than the minimum Texans will offer. :hmmm:

What in the world would make you think the Texans will only offer Payne minimum? Casserly said the 1st priority of the off-season was resigning Texans' free agents. The Texans for good or bad have shown a willingness to look past injuries--remember Walker signed his possibly too big contract after missing the majority of 2003. Also, Payne's injury is getting overblown. The surgery he is having is the same one Walker had during the off-season before his 2002 Pro-Bowl season. I'm betting on a 3-4 year contract for Payne at about $3 mil per year.

Meloy
01-20-2005, 12:46 PM
What in the world would make you think the Texans will only offer Payne minimum? Casserly said the 1st priority of the off-season was resigning Texans' free agents. The Texans for good or bad have shown a willingness to look past injuries--remember Walker signed his possibly too big contract after missing the majority of 2003. Also, Payne's injury is getting overblown. The surgery he is having is the same one Walker had during the off-season before his 2002 Pro-Bowl season. I'm betting on a 3-4 year contract for Payne at about $3 mil per year.

I'd jump at $3m as being good for Texans but I think others will offer more. The minimum suggestion was the response I got from Charlie Pallilo today when I suggested Payne will be gone. Your note about Walker seems to comfirm my point. Subtract Payne's injury games and all I can say is he had 2
solid years. I think we need powerful addition to dline rather than a solid player. I've heard radio callers say, Walker, Payne and Smith played well below expectations most of this season.

infantrycak
01-20-2005, 01:54 PM
I've heard radio callers say, Walker, Payne and Smith played well below expectations most of this season.

Listen to radio callers long enough and you will hear someone say Matt Stevens was an excellent FS and that AJ is a bust.

texansfan88
01-20-2005, 03:15 PM
WOW! You guys are willing to use the 13th pick in first round on a guy the mock draft suggests may not start for 1-2 years? We must be stronger than I thought. I like what I hear about Rolle, but isn't dline a bigger need? I strongly believe Payne will be gone as someone will pay him more than the minimum Texans will offer. :hmmm:
The fact that Rolle wouldn't start is not neccesarily a bad thing. Rookies rarely succeed in their first year anyway. It is possible they move him to safety but I doubt it.

If there's a guy like Rolle on the board at 13, I see no way you can pass him again.

ledzeppelin229
01-20-2005, 03:22 PM
People need to understand that Robinson's success as a rookie corner (minus a couple early games) is not the norm. If AG can still go then there's nothing wrong with a rookie CB starting out in a S or nickel situation for his first year. (Eugene Wilson for the Patriots)

texansfan88
01-20-2005, 03:30 PM
People need to understand that Robinson's success as a rookie corner (minus a couple early games) is not the norm. If AG can still go then there's nothing wrong with a rookie CB starting out in a S or nickel situation for his first year. (Eugene Wilson for the Patriots)
I think I just said that hahha

ledzeppelin229
01-20-2005, 04:51 PM
Yea I know, I was backing it up/adding to it with another post since I was bored.

281
01-20-2005, 09:29 PM
If Rolle fell to #13, I'd ******* my pants... and if we didn't take him, I'd faint.

Grid
01-20-2005, 09:50 PM
I may be the only guy on the board who thinks so.. but I think Faggins could handle being a starter for us until Rolle was ready... if Faggins doesnt become a better CB in the long run. (this is assuming that Glenn either completely loses his talent, or retires)

as for us taking Rolle being a bad move cause it doesnt fit our needs.. im still not 100% there but im starting to wrap my mind around the concept that it really doesnt matter WHAT we need in the draft.. drafting the BPA is the best route to go. Obviously we may think twice if Aaron Rodgers was available to us.. since we really really dont need him.. but other than that.. i think any player at any position is fair game, so long as they are a sure thing.

ledzeppelin229
01-20-2005, 09:51 PM
If Rolle fell to #13, I'd ******* my pants... and if we didn't take him, I'd faint.

****ting your pants and then fainting could be really bad when you finally do wake up...

Grid
01-20-2005, 09:55 PM
Hey Texansfan88.. any way that Anttaj Hawthorne falls to us? I think he would be an awesome pick.

THE_HONKEY_TONK_KID
01-20-2005, 10:26 PM
Oh yeah that is a BIG chance Hawthorne being on the board when we draft. Should we get him at #13........I don't think so. He probably will be up until the late teens, early twenties.

I think there is a decent chance Rolle being up at #13. With Adam Jones fastly becoming the best CB, Rolle should be the #2 CB taken, and the only team that has the possibilty of taking him before #13 is Dallas. What they do, well it will either be Rolle or whoever DL is available. Thomas Davis could also be an option for them with Woodson officialy gone.

If Rolle is still available, then yeah I think we will be making a lot of phone calls and using up all of that 15 minutes. I'm wondering also if Faggins can't be Glenn's replacment, I mean this guy is improving so much.........If we trade down, then I think we should want more than what this pick is worth, something like the Titans did to us.

Grid
01-20-2005, 10:32 PM
yah looking at this draft I see he isnt taken until 20.. didnt check that beforehand. Honestly in alot of the mocks ive looked at lately ive seen him fall before 13.. or right around 13. Personally.. I think that if his personality is right.. he may be the best Dlineman in the draft for a 3-4.

texansfan88
01-20-2005, 10:37 PM
Hey Texansfan88.. any way that Anttaj Hawthorne falls to us? I think he would be an awesome pick.
Hey Grid,

I talked to Anttaj the other day and he said that the Cardinals are drawing a whole lot of interest in him (a trade down possibly)

Hawthorne started on my board back in June as the #1 prospect and has just kept taking a nose dive with his overshadowed play by Erasmus James.

At this point, I think he'd be a reach at 13, but a very valuable pick at say 19, in which the Texans might try to work something with the Rams if say Jammal Brown was available. (Panthers at 14 would take him if he was there)

I don't want to see Taj in a Texan Uni though. He's a great 4-3 DT, but I don' think he'd fit in well as a 3-4 lineman. Sure, size isn't the issue, it's the fact he would have to learn a new position and find out what it's like to try to break a double team...every play.

AndreJ
01-20-2005, 10:38 PM
I was just on ESPN's website in the NFL 2005 draft section and they haad a comment suggesting that Antrelle Rolle would really help Kansas City's defense. So he could very well fall as low as us. We pick thirteen and i believe KC has either 14 or 15. So we could steal one away from them.

texansfan88
01-20-2005, 10:40 PM
I was just on ESPN's website in the NFL 2005 draft section and they haad a comment suggesting that Antrelle Rolle would really help Kansas City's defense. So he could very well fall as low as us. We pick thirteen and i believe KC has either 14 or 15. So we could steal one away from them.
Did anyone even read my mock draft? lol

Grid
01-20-2005, 10:41 PM
Hmm.. well in my other thread I mentioned how the DT pool in this draft just sucks for us. Hawthorne is the only guy im seeing who is capable of being a two gap lineman who can both stop the run, AND put pressure on a QB. That doesnt necessarily make him a great lineman for us though.. just possibly the best one IN THIS DRAFT. Marcus Spears could be a good lineman for us, though I dunno that he is a possible DT.

Ahh well.. god we still have months.

texansfan88
01-20-2005, 10:44 PM
Hmm.. well in my other thread I mentioned how the DT pool in this draft just sucks for us. Hawthorne is the only guy im seeing who is capable of being a two gap lineman who can both stop the run, AND put pressure on a QB. That doesnt necessarily make him a great lineman for us though.. just possibly the best one IN THIS DRAFT. Marcus Spears could be a good lineman for us, though I dunno that he is a possible DT.

Ahh well.. god we still have months.
Maybe it's just me, but in a 3-4 system, I want vets who know the ropes. Down when I was at training camp reporting on the Texans until I was guilty by association and had them revoked, I was able to talk to Robaire Smith about adjusting to a 3-4 as a lineman.

He was telling me about how complicated the defense is along with learning a new position shouldn't be tested by a rookie. Robaire is a smart cookie, and he had trouble getting used to the 3-4 at the beginning of the year, so I wouldn't take the risk. Sign Deloach, Sears and Payne back, and possibly draft Anthony Bryant in the 4th round, the only true Nose Tackle in the draft as a project player

Grid
01-20-2005, 10:51 PM
I dunno.. the same arguement could be made that a rookie coming in and learning to play in the NFL in a 3-4 would have no major preconceived notions about how to play his position.. a fresh slate so to speak.

Honestly just about any position could be better filled by a veteran.. but we need to infuse our defense with some youth.. especially on that Dline. Robaire is gonna be here a while if we play our cards right.. we need a couple guys to be there with him. having the same line for the next 5-7 years would be great.

texansfan88
01-20-2005, 10:57 PM
I dunno.. the same arguement could be made that a rookie coming in and learning to play in the NFL in a 3-4 would have no major preconceived notions about how to play his position.. a fresh slate so to speak.

Honestly just about any position could be better filled by a veteran.. but we need to infuse our defense with some youth.. especially on that Dline. Robaire is gonna be here a while if we play our cards right.. we need a couple guys to be there with him. having the same line for the next 5-7 years would be great.
I can see where you're coming from, but lets build on this. You say we need to add youth to the defense. Since this draft sucks so much at the DT position, why not add an impact secondary player or inside linebacker instead to add another piece of the puzzle, and then get a guy such as Haloti Ngata, Rod Wright, Orien Harris, Gabe Watson, or Anthony Montgomery, all guys that are likely 1st round picks next year.

Just because there is only 1 or 2 true impact DT's in the draft doesn't mean you need to reach in order to be that team that gets him. If there is a better player such as Channing Crowder, Derrick Johnson, Antrel Rolle, Pac Man Jones or Justin Miller if you move down that is there, I think you take him.

texansfan88
01-20-2005, 11:06 PM
I'll take any more questions, comments, suggestions, concerns until 11:15 then I'm done for the night

Grid
01-21-2005, 02:08 PM
I agree entirely with taking the best young player available.. I think Hawthorne is a guy that is up there with the best.. but as long as we get someone young and talented (preferrably on defense, but wherever).. then i dont really care who we take.