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MIGHTYTEX
01-18-2005, 07:48 PM
What do you guys think about that? I was just on ESPN Insider in rumor central and they saying that the Texans might get him for a solid #2 WR to be opposite AJ.

aj.
01-18-2005, 08:02 PM
Does the rumor include something about him being a cap casualty? ... because he's still under contract through the end of '05 and not a free agent.

Honoring Earl 34
01-18-2005, 08:20 PM
:howdy: Are we going to turn into the Rockets and get players from bad teams .Their on bad teams for a reason.
I don't know how long we'll be protected by the expantion label before we're judged by wins and losses.

ginessey
01-18-2005, 08:38 PM
I think Rod Garder would go great in Houston and he would be a perfect weapon for Carr. He would be a whole lot better than Corey Bradford who is our number 2 and he only had 27 catches for 399 yards and he played in all the games, that's sad. Rod Gardner has had over 50 catches all but his rookie year when he had 46. If the deal does workout and he doesn't want some god awful amount of money, I think it will perfect.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
01-18-2005, 09:30 PM
Does the rumor include something about him being a cap casualty? ... because he's still under contract through the end of '05 and not a free agent.



No, but I remember reading an article saying the Redskins were looking to trade him for a mid round pick.

THE_HONKEY_TONK_KID
01-18-2005, 09:33 PM
In my opinion there are just some receivers who are meant to be #2 receivers. I could give you names, but I'm tired. I will say though that Rod Gardener is 1 of them.

I think that is something we are going to have to look at this offseason, is finding a #2 receiver, wether its in the draft, free agency, or maybe its someone already on the team. But not having one I think is hurting this offense more than you think.

F-minus67
01-18-2005, 09:52 PM
Gardener is a pretty good WR, he has decent hands as well as speed. But he does drop some catchable balls.

infantrycak
01-18-2005, 10:18 PM
:howdy: Are we going to turn into the Rockets and get players from bad teams .Their on bad teams for a reason.

Funny, and I thought the worst teams in the league got the best players in each draft. Go figure, all those top draft slots hold off for the super bowl teams to take the good ones.

Gardner was a 1st round 15th overall pick. Haven't watched enough Skins football to know the reason, but his yards per catch and yards after catch have gone down every year. That said, he also has caught at least 600 yds each year and had over 1000 his 2nd year. Big red flag (in terms of all the complaining potential) he had 9 dropped passes this year and 8 last year--FYI, AJ, Armstrong, Bradford and Gaffney combined for 8 dropped passes this year. But as AJ has shown that may be something that coaching and hard work can improve.

SESupergenius
01-18-2005, 10:22 PM
The Patriots must be kicking themselves for getting Corey Dillon from the bad Bengals.

keyfro
01-19-2005, 12:15 AM
gardner is a solid reciever...keep in mind several of his nine drops this year were due to the old QB throwing to him in double coverage and were hella hard catches to make to begin with...if we can get gardner for 3rd or 4th round pick i wouldn't complain one bit but i would hope that unlike the greg robinson deal we actually keep the guy longer than one season

sportsrock37
01-19-2005, 12:20 AM
Rod Gardner is a very servicable WR. I have a feeling that he will really break out with the Skins this year. It's his contract year and he will want to prove that he's not a bust. The reason for his bad production this year is the Skins pitiful pass offense. The bulk of the passing went to Coles, so it didn't give Gardner enough chances. He would be a good addition for the Texans and I would want a 2nd or 3rd at worst for him.

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Lucky
01-19-2005, 12:31 AM
I don't know how one can look at Gardner's & Gaffney's numbers are see any big difference in Gardner's favor. I can't see a reason why Armstrong can't be as or more effective than Gardner. And comparing a Gardner acquisition to the Pats getting Corey Dillon? Dillon was a 6-time 1000 yard rusher & former Pro Bowler. Gardner's just a guy who was once a 1st round draft pick. Think a younger version of JJ Stokes. Even mid round picks are worth more than that.

Vinny
01-19-2005, 12:33 AM
Gardner isn't worth any more than a 3rd. No way we give up a 2nd for this guy, and I doubt that we pursue him and give up any decent pick. He is not all that fast but he has an NFL body. He is a physical player for a WR.

bckey
01-19-2005, 07:01 AM
If anything we need a wide receiver with speed to replace Bradford.

SESupergenius
01-19-2005, 10:01 AM
If the don't sign Bradford and do not sign a FA or draft one then we go into the season with Johnson, Gaffney, and Armstrong. Please take off your rose colored glasses and see that that lineup just won't cut it. I am not sure however that Gardner is any better than Bradford, but from what we've seen so far from Bradford we can't be missing much.

AlexVanderpool
01-19-2005, 10:24 AM
I dont know if this has been brought up yet, but lance was speculating about the texans going after travis taylor as a secondary wr. though he has underachieved in ball control baltimore, a change of scenery could do him good. i think he is a free agent, and would probably come cheaper than gardner as far as money and draft picks.

who would you rather have?

Taylor: 6-1 210lbs
Gardner: 6-2 213lbs

Gilly
01-19-2005, 11:56 AM
either would be a major improvement over bradford. We need a solid #2 in order for AJ to take his next step toward greatness. And a FA wr would allow us to beef up the O-line through the draft.

rittenhouserobz
01-19-2005, 12:08 PM
The Texans need a good #2 that is a legitimate threat. Consider some of the better offenes in the league. Indy has Wayne and Stokley. St. Louis has Isaac Bruce (I am pretty sure Holt is the #1 now.) Marcus Robinson for the Vikings. I just think it is time to move a young speedster.

Vinny
01-19-2005, 12:13 PM
Well, I think the bottom line is simple. Gaffney and Armstrong are set in the slot. We will likely look to replace Bradford with someone. I would be shocked if it is not a speed guy. In today's NFL you need 3 solid WR's because the 3wr sets are the dominant offensive sets in the league. We have two of the three positions ready to go. We just need to replace Bradfords role in the offense.

aj.
01-19-2005, 12:14 PM
Here's the article from the Tampa paper on Gardner:
http://bucs.tbo.com/bucs/MGBRHOEI04E.html

Taylor had injury problems this year - groin and back - that kept him out of 5 games.

Gardner costs more than Taylor and is in his contract year. One year rental at $1.45 mil instead of commiting three or more years to the guy?

Neither guy makes me go wow, but I think both could be servicable #2's. Maybe a change of scenery will help one or both. They are both playing in offenses that are near the bottom of the league.

TexansTrueFan
01-19-2005, 01:01 PM
some of you say that AJ, Armstrong, Gaffney isnt a good line up, well AJ has great speed, Armstrong has good feet and runs great routes, and Gaffney is a good 3rd down reciever. I think our WR core would be better than this year !

Hottoddie
01-19-2005, 09:08 PM
Have we forgotten about Kendrick Starling?

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/kendrick_starling

Positives: Has the speed and quick feet to suddenly get on top of the press coming off the line Can leverage, plant, transition and make sharp cuts in his patterns Changes direction well, using his size effectively to shield the ball from the defender on short-zone tosses Sits in the zone and uses his strength to compete for the ball in traffic Has the built-up speed to get downfield after the catch Flashes a sudden burst, quick spin and excellent balance heading upfield after the catch Willing blocker with an aggressive attitude, doing a fine job of searching out the linebacker when working in the second level Still developing his ball skills, but his speed and change-of-direction agility allow him to create big plays, especially when asked to return kicks.

aj.
01-19-2005, 09:19 PM
Starling impressed me with his speed and quickness last year. But he's still somewhat raw as a receiver (at least he was in early Sept) and I don't think he's going to push anyone for a starting slot anytime soon as he's still behind Gaffney and Armstrong in the pecking order. He's a 4/5 kind of guy right now but he's a good guy to have around because he looks like he has some upside. He's shown Jason Bell gunner ability and that can make the difference between a roster spot or not.

Honoring Earl 34
01-19-2005, 09:36 PM
Why gamble on Gardner or Taylor.If Carr does not have time whats it matter.
Guys from bad teams will rise above and keep playing(Dillon) or just settle.You don't want a player who settles.
You could trade for Moss but you can't get him the ball.Then what gotta find a 2nd reciever.

Grid
01-19-2005, 11:34 PM
with the team we are trying to build I dont see us using cap money on another big receiver. we have a well above average receiving core and we are not the colts.. we dont need anything better than that because passing is not our primary strength.

We need to work on our oline.. we need to improve our pass rush.. the WRs we currently have are more than capable of winning game for us.. Andre Johnson himself could carry the weight of our entire passing game if Carr had the time to wait for him to get open.

jacquescas
01-20-2005, 05:14 AM
i wouldn't give a first day pick for Gardner unless a favorable contract extension could be worked out, which is never done.

so nothing better than a 4th rounder.

If not look to sign Taylor, or go big bux with Burress.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
01-20-2005, 08:03 AM
We need a #1 TE more than we do a #2 WR.

Marcus
01-20-2005, 08:44 AM
Speaking of tight ends, who is available on the free agent market that would be an obvious upgrade over who we have right now?

And if there are none, then I'd say TE will be a lock to be drafted early.

ArlingtonTexan
01-20-2005, 08:52 AM
The most obvious upgrade is Bubba Franks, and there are handful of guys who are probably upgrades, Alexander, Becth,

Marcus
01-20-2005, 09:17 AM
Bubba Franks? Can't see him being let go. I'd say trade down, and take Heath Miller in the 1st. And if you can't trade down, consider taking him anyway.

ArlingtonTexan
01-20-2005, 09:22 AM
Bubba Franks? Can't see him being let go. I'd say trade down, and take Heath Miller in the 1st. And if you can't trade down, consider taking him anyway.

I would say that if the Texans want Heath Miller that they would have to take him at 13. Several mocks that I have seen show him actually being drafted before that point.

Vinny
01-20-2005, 09:27 AM
I agree. If you want Miller you can't trade down to get him. This draft class isn't too special.

jacquescas
01-20-2005, 03:31 PM
Itula Mili would be a decent pick up, but nothing special.

gabe
01-20-2005, 04:47 PM
if you want a reciever look at the C.F.L. free agents or option year players and draft a defensive player. remember defence wins championships, look at the PATS :thud:

ThaShark316
01-20-2005, 04:57 PM
How bout if one of the two big-time WRs drop to 13 in the draft? Wishful thinking,but hey...anything could happen!! :banana:

Gardner....i dunno,hes not that fast and has been an underachiver so far in his career.

I'd take Plax Bizzle if we could. :heh:

jacquescas
01-20-2005, 05:30 PM
Gardner hasn't lived up to being a No 1 reciever, but we already have that, he is a very solid number 2 guy.

Honoring Earl 34
01-20-2005, 05:33 PM
Gardner is the #2 guy right now Coles is their #1 reciever.Gaffney had a better Yds per catch.

MIGHTYTEX
01-20-2005, 06:12 PM
We need a #1 TE more than we do a #2 WR.

Not many teams in the NFL have a "top #1" TE, only teams that come to mind are SD, Indy, KC, and Bal. All other teams have good or decent TE's. I think if we do take Gardner it should be our 3rd round pick that we got from the Cowboys for Henson.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
01-20-2005, 06:26 PM
Tony Gonzalez
Todd Heap
Antonio Gates
Jason Witten
Randy McMichael
Eric Johnson
Jermaine Wiggins
Jeremy Shockey
Alge Crumpler
Bubba Franks
LJ Smith
Daniel Graham
Marcus Pollard
Dallas Clark
Ben Troupe
Kellen Winslow Jr.
Chris Cooley
Boo Williams
etc...
etc...
etc...

We have the worst TE's in the league. We need a legitimate starting TE.

wiley2002
01-20-2005, 08:55 PM
I don't see anything wrong with Billy Miller. We're still waiting to see what we got out of Joppru. We need to worry about our O and D line first. If we draft TE, wait until round 3.

texanfan2002114
01-20-2005, 09:34 PM
Mel Kiper has the Texans taking Mike Williams from USC with the 13th pick. Also Gardener is a cancer. He has been benched several times over the last couple of years from running bad routes and complaining.

I believe we draft one at 13 or go with what we have!! I love Derrick Armstrong!!

THE_HONKEY_TONK_KID
01-20-2005, 09:41 PM
If we are going to trade a draft pick for a reciever, why go after Rod Gardner? As far as I'm concerned he is an underachevier. Could become a solid #2 but nothing more.

If we are looking to trade for a receiver, why not do something like the Jets did with Justin McCareins and get a young, talented receiver who can grow into the position. No names come to mind, but an idea to think about.

As far as TE's in this draft are concerned, after Miller there is no much left to really drool at. Alex Smtih from Stanford might be a decent 2nd round pick, could slip into the late 1st. I think Miller could be picked in the 8-10 range. If we want him we will have to maybe draft up a couple of slots, or hope and pray he falls to us. After that, you can pick and choose who you want.

ArlingtonTexan
01-20-2005, 10:48 PM
If we are going to trade a draft pick for a reciever, why go after Rod Gardner? As far as I'm concerned he is an underachevier. Could become a solid #2 but nothing more.


Basically they are trading for him to be a number 2 WR and probable would not give anymore than a 4th or 5th round pick...BTW, I think he has played better than Bradford over the last couple of years.

fresno8
01-21-2005, 12:31 AM
Gardner would be a good #2. However the O-line must be fixed or Carr could have AJ, Moss, T.O. and not be able to get the ball in their hands. That being said, Gaffney and Armsrong are our slot receivers, not our #2 WR, so we do need a good #2 WR, possibly we could take one to fill that need in the draft this year in the 2nd or w/ one of our 3rds. That way this WR could be groomed while we fix our O-line and Gaffney could be our 2 for a year (or he could beat out Gaffney). And if Gaffney proves himself as a legit 2 then we'll have another receiver in our arsenal to go along w/ AJ, Gaffney and Armstrong (still have starling/thomas). I would only want Gardner or Taylor at a discount rate. O-line/D-line #1 priority for FA/draft. Also need a tight end to take pressure off the outside WR's and who can be adequate at blocking.

scourge
01-21-2005, 01:24 AM
I think a TE is the way to go. Either in the draft or with Bubba. As far as a #2 receiver, between Gaffney, Sloan Thomas, Armstrong, and Starling we should be ok. But an improved D-line and O-line should be our main focus.

ccdude730
01-21-2005, 02:09 AM
i think joppru will be a deciding factor in the draft as well as free agency. joppru offers both receiving skill and blocking skill and i believe just having him on the field and establishing himself will make our offense better. personally i would rather see us pass on franks.

i read an article that said the bucs also are interested in rod gardner. i believe they have 11 picks in this draft and could make an offer to the redskins.

Link (http://bucs.tbo.com/bucs/MGB540SS04E.html)

jacquescas
01-21-2005, 05:56 AM
no one is going to trade for Gardner, he will be a cap casulty most likely.

As far as Joppru goes, after 2 years of IR the odds are so stacked against him right now, and he is on the wrong side of medicine and history, that the Texans would be foolish to think he could be the answer to the problems at TE, they have to have some sort of contingency plan, even if its a Itua Mili from Seattle, but the current group are not going to cut it.

AlexVanderpool
03-01-2005, 02:07 PM
The 2/28 update of ESPN Insider's Rumor Central has the Texans removed from the Interested Team column next to Rod Gardner. They(the Texans) have been on the list since Gardner's name first appeared on Rumor Central about a month and a half ago...

I think that he would be the ideal #2 WR option because he would come cheap, and has shown more than just flashes of his talent...

jacquescas
05-27-2005, 05:31 PM
So supposedly he will be a june 1st cap causualty and has been rumored to be cut all offseason. If he is do we take him as our number 2? at this point he is an improvement over bradford and Mathis is still at best a year out from competing...

TexansRockMySocks
05-27-2005, 05:32 PM
I say we release bradford and pick up Gardner the. Def. an upgrade

Texas_Thrill
05-27-2005, 05:36 PM
Ok I know bradford's hands weren't the greatest but neither are gardeners and he's slower. He's also has an attitude problem which i've not heard of bradford. No need to add a cancer.

I dont see any reason to believe he'd be a #2 with his lack of consistency.

DRIFTAWAY
05-27-2005, 05:39 PM
I agree with Thrill, why bother doing all the releasing and signing? Bradford can play solid football, if not better then Gardener. And we all know that Bradford can come up with some big plays.

Porky
05-27-2005, 05:53 PM
I don't know what ya'll are looking at. Gardner isn't a great player, but a good player, and a clear upgrade over Bradford. Bradford isn't a #2. Bradford, if anything is a #4. Gardner is a legit #2. His stats last year were 51 catches for 650 yards for a TERRIBLE offense. Bradford had 27 catches for 399 yards. When Bradford hit the FA market, there was so much clamor to sign him, he had to come back with his tail between his legs begging to resign here. There is no comparison. You might want to rethink things. :wacko:

Texan in Japan
05-27-2005, 09:17 PM
I actually like our receiving corps. In fact, I think it can be very strong this year, if we can get Carr more protection. I'd pass on Gardner, when I lived in DC-area, he didn't impress me much. He has size, but from DC reporters, they didn't think he had the work ethic to improve his game.