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AlexVanderpool
01-18-2005, 04:07 PM
1. San Francisco 49ers- Alex Smith-QB-Utah*
2. Miami Dolphins- Cedric Benson-RB-Texas
3. Cleveland Browns- Aaron rogers
4. Chicago Bears- ronnie brown rb
5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers- carnell williams rb
6. Tennessee Titans- adam jones cb
7. Oakland Raiders- dan cody lb
8. Arizona Cardinals- travis johnson dt
9. Washington Redskins- braylon edwards wr
10. Detroit Lions- heath miller te
11. Dallas Cowboys- shawne merriman olb
12. San Diego Chargers(NYG)- derrick johnson lb
13. Houston Texans- MIKE WILLIAMS WR
14. Carolina Panthers- jammal brown ot
15. Kansas City Chiefs- antrel rolle cb
16. New Orleans Saints- thomas davis s
17. Cincinnati Bengals- erasmus james de
18. Minnesota Vikings*- shaun cody dl
19. St. Louis Rams*- david pollack de
20. Dallas Cowboys(BUF)- troy williamson wr
21. Jacksonville Jaguars- alex barron ot
22. Baltimore Ravens- roddy white wr
23. Seattle Seahawks*- darryl blackstock olb
24. Green Bay Packers*- channing crowder olb
25. Denver Broncos*- matt roth de
26. New York Jets*- carlos rogers cb
27. Atlanta Falcons*- brandon browner cb
28. San Diego Chargers*- roscoe parrish wr
29. Indianapolis Colts*- bryant mcfadden cb
30. Philadelphia Eagles*- justin miller cb
31. New England Patriots*- justin tuck de
32. Pittsburgh Steelers*- alex smith te

texansfan88
01-18-2005, 04:09 PM
kiper is a nut, Roscoe Parrish received 3rd and 4th round grades on his petition to the nfl board

texan279
01-18-2005, 04:10 PM
A WR is the last thing we need...

texansfan88
01-18-2005, 04:10 PM
by the way, does kiper explain his picks on the insider stuff?

281
01-18-2005, 04:13 PM
I would absolutely LOVE that pick...

AlexVanderpool
01-18-2005, 04:18 PM
though wr isnt a 1st round priority, id be ecstatic if mike williams fell to us...a no-brainer to pick up at that spot, and a perfect posession reciever to pair w/ andre.
we might do better to trade down and pick up an extra 2nd rounder as well...

other thoughts:
- 3 rbs in the frist 5 picks??? benson is overrated and chicago has the perfect rb for lovie smith's offense.

- rolle and thomas davis will probably go higher.

- alex barron @21???? i thought he was supposed to be a top 5 pick.

- 5'9 roscoe parrish in the first round???? i need to see it to believe it.

AlexVanderpool
01-18-2005, 04:21 PM
by the way, does kiper explain his picks on the insider stuff?

Yes he does:

Houston Texans: Mike Williams</a> (jr.), WR, USC</b><br>
Williams did not play in 2004 but dominated the college game for two seasons while at USC. His 6-foot-5, 230-pound frame gives him a big advantage over defensive backs, and he would make a perfect complement to young standout receiver Andre Johnson.

here is the link:

http://proxy.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=kiper_jr_mel&id=1969422

texansfan88
01-18-2005, 04:25 PM
he's going #4 to the Bears but if by chance which he wont that he'd slip to 13, he would be taken b/c he'd be head and shoulders above everyone else

TexanBacker93
01-18-2005, 04:25 PM
http://proxy.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=kiper_jr_mel&id=1969422

I hope this worked. Anyways, Kiper has the Texans taking Mike Williams with the 13th pick. It would definitely help the offense explode next season.

Personally, I like Alex Barron from Florida State. He's a great pass blocker and is quick enough to play LT.

texansfan88
01-18-2005, 04:25 PM
is it worth the 6.95 a month to hear kiper jabber?

jacquescas
01-18-2005, 04:28 PM
Has us picking Mike Williams at 13. I dont see him falling that far, and that doesn't seem like an immediate need, but to see him and AJ together, would make them almost uncoverable.

Blake
01-18-2005, 04:30 PM
my bad....

Joeymousepad
01-18-2005, 04:30 PM
Sure that pick would be fantastic but it wont happen and you cant build a team on just talent players(Qb, rb, wr). Also, with JG andAJ we don't need him.

texansfan88
01-18-2005, 04:31 PM
i guess it'll only take 1 more year to prove Jabar Gaffney is nothing more than a really good #3

pek281
01-18-2005, 04:33 PM
Whew, just imagine it! It'd be unfair to have BOTH Andre Johnson and Mike Williams. Offensive line woes? Forget 'em.

There's no way he'll never fall that far down.

Joeymousepad
01-18-2005, 04:34 PM
i guess it'll only take 1 more year to prove Jabar Gaffney is nothing more than a really good #3
Sure he's not a good #1 but I think he can become IN TIME an above average #2.

Blake
01-18-2005, 04:34 PM
There is nothing wrong with taking BPA. And a WR is not a bad pick. Put him to the right, and jabar in the slot.

texan279
01-18-2005, 04:34 PM
i guess it'll only take 1 more year to prove Jabar Gaffney is nothing more than a really good #3

Bradford was basically our #3 WR last year, Gaffney proved himself last year.

texansfan88
01-18-2005, 04:35 PM
how many years are you thinking here? this will be his 4th season and he has shown me that he is nothing more than a below average 2nd wr to a good 3rd wr

texan279
01-18-2005, 04:38 PM
how many years are you thinking here? this will be his 4th season and he has shown me that he is nothing more than a below average 2nd wr to a good 3rd wr

I hope you are kidding. Last season, he averaged 15.4 ypc #1 on the Texans, 1 yard more per catch than AJ, his long was 69 yards #1 on the Texans, and that was 15 yards longer than AJ's longest catch, and he had 632 yards total receiving, 2nd only behind AJ.

Fiddy
01-18-2005, 04:40 PM
I would absolutely LOVE that pick...Why? Especially when our #2 WR last year, Gaffney, was targeted only 68 times and our RB Davis was targeted 85 times. And that pick wouldnt help our D-Line which in return would help our LBs, which in turn would help the secondary, which in turn would help field position, which in return would help the offense...

Reddevil63
01-18-2005, 04:43 PM
And could have had alot more if he ran better routes and had the speed or size to be a number 2 reciever. Id be exstatic with that pick!

Lucky
01-18-2005, 04:46 PM
This is Kiper's 1st mock of the year, right? Let's look back at this when Mel puts out his draft eve mock and see how many of the picks are the same. My over/under on the total is 5 of the 32 picks. And I'm taking the under.

Fiddy
01-18-2005, 04:48 PM
And could have had alot more if he ran better routes and had the speed or size to be a number 2 reciever. Id be exstatic with that pick!Gaff has been repeatley metioned as the best route runner on the team. Steve Largent wasnt a burner and he is in the hall of fame. Gaff just needs more balls thrown his way then Davis...

Reddevil63
01-18-2005, 04:53 PM
I just have to think that there is a reason for that, one that we dont see on Sunday's but on the practice field. I could be wrong, I dont pretend to think Im right but I can remember a few times where Gaff ran the wrong routes etc. and maybe thats a bigger problem than a couple of times a game.

Fiddy
01-18-2005, 04:58 PM
I just have to think that there is a reason for that, one that we dont see on Sunday's but on the practice field. I could be wrong, I dont pretend to think Im right but I can remember a few times where Gaff ran the wrong routes etc. and maybe thats a bigger problem than a couple of times a game.The reason is Carr doesnt give some plays any chances. You can tell on about 4 pass plays a games where Carr is thinking Davis all the way. I call it from my room cause I can tell by how Carr drops back. Carr has to give Gaff more chances...

I remember one play this year against the Titans when Gaff stopped when he should of kept going but that is the only one I know of....

pek281
01-18-2005, 04:59 PM
Gaffney had 2-1/2 catches per game. That's a #2 WR? Something's gotta give there.

Fiddy
01-18-2005, 05:00 PM
Gaffney had 2-1/2 catches per game. That's a #2 WR? Something's gotta give there.And thats because Gaff was only targeted 4 times a game so he came up with the ball more then 60% of the time...

texan279
01-18-2005, 05:05 PM
Last season, he averaged 15.4 ypc #1 on the Texans, 1 yard more per catch than AJ, his long was 69 yards #1 on the Texans, and that was 15 yards longer than AJ's longest catch, and he had 632 yards total receiving, 2nd only behind AJ.

ccdude730
01-18-2005, 05:06 PM
I remember one play this year against the Titans when Gaff stopped when he should of kept going but that is the only one I know of....

thats not necessarily bad route running as it is a bad read.

whether his numbers are those of a #2, he is a perfect fit for a slot reciever and thats where he will get the most production.

Lucky
01-18-2005, 05:07 PM
Mike Williams is very, very likely to become a better NFL WR than Jabar Gaffney. That said, Williams would never get the number of passes directed to him with the Texans that AJ gets. And how does Williams help the O-line? Or the D-line depth? Or getting to the opposing QB? It would be great to have Mike Williams on the Texans, but he solves none of the Texans problems.

jacquescas
01-18-2005, 05:12 PM
I'd rather take TE Heath Miller from Virginia and let Armstrong, Gaffney, and maybe a free agent mid level pick up (Rod Gardner from Wash) compete for the number 2 job.

pek281
01-18-2005, 05:13 PM
Mike Williams is very, very likely to become a better NFL WR than Jabar Gaffney. That said, Williams would never get the number of passes directed to him with the Texans that AJ gets. And how does Williams help the O-line? Or the D-line depth? Or getting to the opposing QB? It would be great to have Mike Williams on the Texans, but he solves none of the Texans problems.

I don't think some people realize how good this Mike Williams is. He IS another AJ or a TO. This guy is a Top 5 WR in the NFL within a couple of years.

He solves problems by opening the field big time.

gg no re
01-18-2005, 05:18 PM
Or just wing it in FA or latter rounds.

The best Mike could do for our offense is drive a lot of attention away from blitzing or giving us a run game. I mean, it is kind of a poison.... sit back and cover AJ+MW and let Davis run wild on draws, or blitz every down and let Carr throw fades and hitches to AJ+MW and let them run wild and jump all over the secondary.

We can argue both ways if drafting MW over a line is detrimental or beneficial.

Personally, I'd pay to see an AJ+MW light show.

Sure, probably end up with a Colt offense, but this time, our receivers can actually put up a fight. :/

jacquescas
01-18-2005, 05:19 PM
He is a safe pick, but if a Heath Miller or Alex Baron is available, they are just as safe a pick, in a position we desprately need.

Lucky
01-18-2005, 05:25 PM
He solves problems by opening the field big time.
How does Carr stay upright long enough to get the ball down the field? How does the defense get the ball back to the offense? You don't need 2 TO's or 2 AJ's to win in the NFL. But, you do need solid offensive & defensive lines.

BuffSoldier
01-18-2005, 05:27 PM
So, we pass on Antrell Rolle, Thomas Davis, Jammal Brown and Alex Barronto draft Mike Williams, not saying he wouldnt help our offense, but thinking the Texans would pass on all that defensive and o-line help for a WR wow. idonno: :crazy: :confused:

AndreJ
01-18-2005, 05:32 PM
This is one guys guess of how the draft will go. It is not written in stone anywhere that we will draft Mike Williams.

Also we have not seen what the texans will do in FA which could make a huge difference on how they decide to draft.

Ex: If we picked up Bubba Franks and Walter Jones to help with pass and run blocking, would any of you have a problem witht them drafting M. Williams?

Changes alot doesn't it. Right now there are still 3 months left to the draft and god knows what kind of changes we could see in our roster. Theres only one way to find out and I'm sure going by Mel is not it.

jacquescas
01-18-2005, 05:32 PM
I dont know. i guess there are worse picks, i wouldn't be furious, it wouldn't be like we didn't get a playmaker. but it wouldnt make sense since everyone seems to say we are a running team, why another wide out? maybe another running back or something but it just don't make sense.


does anyone know what kind of contract the 13th pick in last years draft got?

jacquescas
01-18-2005, 05:34 PM
if we got Walter Jones and Bubba Franks, i'd have to say that A. Rolle would be the pick, imagine him and DR back there in a couple years

Grid
01-18-2005, 05:36 PM
how can anyone can give any kind of definate evaluation of our offensive players.. without the line working.. that just blows my mind.

Seems like every year we are talking about Gaffney looking good and really improving.. then as soon as the offseason rolls around everyone starts talking about how he sucks.. whatever... he will continue to be a great WR for us.

D-ReK
01-18-2005, 05:36 PM
Personally, I would draft Rolle if this unlikely scenario were to play out...It doesn't really address our bigger needs, but IMO he's the BPA, and he does address our need to find Glenn's replacement...I wouldn't be mad if we were to get Williams, though...As it's already been said,
I'd pay to see an AJ+MW light show

Fiddy
01-18-2005, 05:39 PM
Ex: If we picked up Bubba Franks and Walter Jones to help with pass and run blocking, would any of you have a problem witht them drafting M. Williams?Yes I would have a problem, because we still wouldnt have a defense and the Colts proved that no matter how good your offense is, you will get run over when it counts the most when you cant stop anyone...

jacquescas
01-18-2005, 05:39 PM
I think the most important thing is we get a playmaker with the 13th pick. and someone who will hopefully be competing for a starting position late in the season at worst. or will be a 5-10 year starter.

AndreJ
01-18-2005, 05:45 PM
Yes I would have a problem, because we still wouldnt have a defense and the Colts proved that no matter how good your offense is, you will get run over when it counts the most when you cant stop anyone...

You missed the entire point.

The point i was trying to make was that we still haven't seen what will happen in free agency and that can determine who we will decide to pick up in the draft. Just because this Mel Moron came up with these picks in his head doesn't mean that's who the texans will decide to go with.

There are so many ifs and buts left to deal with that their is absolutely no way to tell who or what position the texans will decide draft for.

Lucky
01-18-2005, 05:48 PM
does anyone know what kind of contract the 13th pick in last years draft got?
A #13 pick would get a 5-6 year deal for around $10 million.

jacquescas
01-18-2005, 05:49 PM
i think everyone understands that its just a mock draft. but until the draft comes the only thing we can do is discuss, debate, and have heated discourse until draft day.

texan279
01-18-2005, 05:49 PM
Kiper has something there, but TE/C/FS are more pressing needs.

How is FS a need? Isn't that why we extended Coleman's contract last season?

AndreJ
01-18-2005, 05:51 PM
How is FS a need? Isn't that why we extended Coleman's contract last season?

Yeah i can't get over the fact that people think we should draft a safty either. IMO i think that would be a waste of a pick, especially if it's on the first day.

Fiddy
01-18-2005, 05:52 PM
How is FS a need? Isn't that why we extended Coleman's contract last season?Some people feel that Coleman is overrated and stinks. Others, like me and the ones who gave him the contract extension, feel that he will be a playmaker in the secondary for a few more years. idonno:

texan279
01-18-2005, 06:03 PM
I feel like he is and will be a playmaker at FS. He has made some big plays this past season...

texasguy346
01-18-2005, 06:03 PM
Some people feel that Coleman is overrated and stinks. Others, like me and the ones who gave him the contract extension, feel that he will be a playmaker in the secondary for a few more years. idonno:

Come on Fiddy you and I both know that CBs can't be effective after making the switch to S. Just look at Rod Woodson, or Aeneas Williams. Those guys were never any good back there playing safety, they never made any big plays to prove they're still playmakers, and they most definately didn't prolong their careers any. :howdy:

texan279
01-18-2005, 06:12 PM
You guys seem to forget that our D needs a FS and SS. Look, Coleman was not a shutdown safety like I envisioned him to be. If we draft a Safety and Earl works out, Coleman might not even start.....

So we should bench Coleman and his fat 3 year contract?

infantrycak
01-18-2005, 06:13 PM
How does Carr stay upright long enough to get the ball down the field? How does the defense get the ball back to the offense? You don't need 2 TO's or 2 AJ's to win in the NFL. But, you do need solid offensive & defensive lines.

I absolutely agree that the OL has to come together for whatever offensive weapons the Texans have to be exploited. Having said that, I bet there are either zero or 1 new starting OLmen when the season starts next year, and neither will be a tackle. With that expectation, I will not be at all surprised if a CB or WR is taken again in the 1st.

texasguy346
01-18-2005, 06:15 PM
I'm not sure exactly what you envisioned, but I surely didn't expect Coleman to become Brian Dawkins in his first year playing FS. Even if you bring in a rookie you can't honestly expect him to become a shutdown safety in his first season. I feel that Coleman will continue to improve at the position like he did through the season, and keep in mind that he was playing injured for a few games too. I think most have Thomas Davis as the top safety in this year's draft, and the worst aspect of his game is coverage. So I'm not sure how he would be an improvement over Coleman. Even if you're aiming at picking up a Safety later on in day one you won't be able to expect an immediate improvement at the S positions. I just can't imagine the Texans taking a safety on the first day, and as far as day 2 goes it is all a toss up.

texasguy346
01-18-2005, 06:19 PM
So we should bench Coleman and his fat 3 year contract?

I thought his contract extension actually reduced his cap hit to somewhere around 3million as opposed to 4 or soemthing.

texan279
01-18-2005, 06:20 PM
I thought he was getting 3.? mil a year for the next 3 seasons. I thought the total contract was for 10.? mil over 3 seasons.

Fiddy
01-18-2005, 06:20 PM
I absolutely agree that the OL has to come together for whatever offensive weapons the Texans have to be exploited. Having said that, I bet there are either zero or 1 new starting OLmen when the season starts next year, and neither will be a tackle. With that expectation, I will not be at all surprised if a CB or WR is taken again in the 1st.If we do take a WR, I would much rather have Braylon Edwards then Mike Williams (although he will be gone according to this draft). That is my opinion though...

infantrycak
01-18-2005, 06:22 PM
Kiper has something there, but TE/C/FS are more pressing needs. To draft WR means

1) Payne will be back...
2) Earl, Faggings and Brown will improve as starters
3) Bennie J can play next season

First off, while you are pimping Thomas Davis, understand that he projects to SS in the NFL not FS. His weaknesses are speed and coverage ability.

1) Payne will be back...and I will bet on a 3-4 year contract at 2.5 to 3.0 mil a year.
2) Earl will become the starter and yes should improve as do most players in their second freakin year in the NFL. Faggins isn't a starter now, but will continue to improve.
3) The Texans have a far better idea than anyone around here about the likelihood of Joppru playing.

texasguy346
01-18-2005, 06:22 PM
I thought he was getting 3.? mil a year for the next 3 seasons. I thought the total contract was for 10.? mil over 3 seasons.

It's a 3 year deal, but I believe it reduced how much of the cap he took up this year. Where's aj when you need him?

texan279
01-18-2005, 06:25 PM
Your point is the guy with the fattest contract should play? Tell that to Bosselli.

No that is not my point. And the Boselli thing was different, his was due to injury. What I am saying is that Coleman is getting paid $3 mil+ a season for the next 3 seasons and he played pretty **** good for this being his first season at FS. IMO why bring in someone else who you don't know how they will pan out, to replace Coleman who has done a solid job and who is getting paid starter money. Also, we still have McCree who is a solid backup FS, who was our starter at one time, I just cannot remember if he is a UFA or RFA.

Fiddy
01-18-2005, 06:25 PM
3) The Texans have a far better idea than anyone around here about the likelihood of Joppru playing.All we can do about that is pray every night before we fall asleep...

infantrycak
01-18-2005, 06:25 PM
If we do take a WR, I would much rather have Braylon Edwards then Mike Williams (although he will be gone according to this draft). That is my opinion though...

Well so would I but in Kiper's scenario Edwards is already gone.

Coleman's contract was for $9.5 mil, but $5 mil came in signing bonus so it is guaranteed--they didn't give him that expecting to replace him in the 1st two years so wish in one hand and ... in the other .... Yes it reduced the cap hit for 2004 from a fairly high CB salary to a fairly high safety salary but it put more guaranteed money into the contract as well.

And for god's sake folks, please don't extend the shutdown insanity to safeties--it is bad enough seeing every CB down into the 6th round described as a potential shutdown CB.

texasguy346
01-18-2005, 06:29 PM
I think McCree is an UFA.

I can't believe infantrycak isn't interested in a shutdown DT or a shutdown DE. Those guys are great in coverage.

infantrycak
01-18-2005, 06:30 PM
You guys seem to forget that our D needs a FS and SS. Look, Coleman was not a shutdown safety like I envisioned him to be. If we draft a Safety and Earl works out, Coleman might not even start.....

Since this safety fascination is mystifying to some of us, how about explaining what in the limited playing time Earl had this year were the specific weaknesses in his game that tell you he won't be a solid NFL SS? Examples would even be nice.

nunusguy
01-18-2005, 06:32 PM
If he would still be on the board for us (which seems a real stretch), you
gotta figure we could trade that pick down and get a lot for it, which would
seem to be the most practicle thing for us to do (sorta the reverse Babin
move from last year), given all the needs we have. But yea, having AJ and
M.Williams both as your WRs would be real special.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
01-18-2005, 06:40 PM
Here is the full mock...

1. San Francisco 49ers: Alex Smith (jr.), QB, Utah
A smart player who will pick up an NFL system quickly, Smith has good size, is mobile enough to hurt teams with his running ability and is also an efficient passer who can make all the necessary throws.

2. Miami Dolphins: Cedric Benson, RB, Texas
A strong, tough runner with good speed for his size, Benson would help fill the void left by the retirement of Ricky Williams. But there is speculation the Dolphins will attempt to fill their running back need through trade, perhaps for Buffalo's Travis Henry, so stay tuned.

3. Cleveland Browns: Aaron Rodgers (jr.), QB, California
Rodgers is a smart, accurate passer with a quick release. His arm strength is adequate and he is a better prospect at this point in his career than former Cal QB Kyle Boller, now the starter for the Baltimore Ravens.

4. Chicago Bears: Ronnie Brown, RB, Auburn
Perhaps the most complete back in the draft, Brown can carry or catch the ball with equal skill. He has size, instincts and quickness that allowed him to put up excellent numbers at the college level.

5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Carnell Wiliams, RB, Auburn
A creative, deceptive runner with tremendous natural skills. Williams can get tough yards inside despite lacking ideal size, a point illustrated by his 29 rushing TDs over the last two years

6. Tennessee Titans: Adam Jones, CB, West Virginia
A good cover man who will also contribute as a kick returner, Jones has very good closing speed and is a willing tackler in run support. That may be his most important quality with the NFL hurting pass defenses by focusing on downfield infractions by defensive backs.

7. Oakland Raiders: Dan Cody, DE, Oklahoma
A fiery, intense player who always goes all-out, Cody is similar to former NFL standout Kevin Greene in his ability to play on his feet as an outside linebacker, or in a three-point stance as a defensive end.

8. Arizona Cardinals: Travis Johnson, DT, Florida State
Johnson improved his stock immensely this year. He ties up offensive linemen and is able to gain penetration against the run as well as collapse the pocket in passing situations.

9. Washington Redskins: Braylon Edwards, WR, Michigan
Edwards has the size, speed and athleticism to take over games, and he did that several times in 2004. He also significantly cut down on dropped passes and concentration lapses this past season, pushing his stock even higher.

10. Detroit Lions: Heath Miller (jr.), TE, Virginia
A tremendous pass receiver and a willing blocker along the line, Miller would give quarterback Joey Harrington another weapon to complement his wide receivers. He'll also be a help to running back Kevin Jones in the rushing attack.

11. Dallas Cowboys: Shawne Merriman (jr.), DE/OLB, Maryland
A workout warrior with incredible physical skills, Merriman would be an ideal end/linebacker combo in a 3-4 scheme.

12. San Diego Chargers (from NYG): Derrick Johnson, OLB, Texas
Has the speed and strength to chase ballcarriers from sideline to sideline and make things happen when he gets to the ball.

13. Houston Texans: Mike Williams (jr.), WR, USC
Williams did not play in 2004 but dominated the college game for two seasons while at USC. His 6-foot-5, 230-pound frame gives him a big advantage over defensive backs, and he would make a perfect complement to young standout receiver Andre Johnson.

14. Carolina Panthers: Jammal Brown, OT, Oklahoma
Brown's long arms, good feet and balance allow him to engage defenders easily and move them off the ball or away from the quarterback.

15. Kansas City Chiefs: Antrel Rolle, CB, Miami
The Chiefs likely will dedicate most of their draft to defense, and Rolle is a good start. He has the cover skills to shut down wide receivers and also gives up his body against the run.

16. New Orleans Saints: Thomas Davis (jr.), OLB, Georgia
A punishing tackler who played safety in college, Davis has the size and speed to move into the front seven and make an impact at the pro level.

17. Cincinnati Bengals: Erasmus James, DE, Wisconsin
A force along the line of scrimmage, James can play the run, rush the passer and command double-team blocks. There are some durability questions, though, after he missed parts of the last two seasons with injury.

18. Minnesota Vikings: Shaun Cody, DL, USC
A versatile lineman who can play end or tackle, Cody would be a great fit for a Vikings team that has struggled at times along the defensive front.

19. St. Louis Rams: David Pollack, DE, Georgia
Pollack plays with tremendous intensity and his motor does not stop. He makes up for a lack of size with good initial quickness and great closing speed.

20. Dallas Cowboys (from BUF): Troy Williamson (jr.), WR, South Carolina
The fastest wideout in the draft, Williamson would be a great help to a team that lacked a consistent vertical threat.

21. Jacksonville Jaguars: Alex Barron, OT, Florida State
Barron is equally adept in the passing and running games and has light feet for a player his size.

22. Baltimore Ravens: Roddy White, WR, UAB
White's 4.42 speed in the 40 gives him a size/speed combination in the elite category. He is a big-play wideout who averaged 20.0 yards per catch in 2004.

23. Seattle Seahawks: Darryl Blackstock (jr.), OLB, Virginia
Blackstock is a solid all-around talent who shows flashes of greatness and has tremendous natural physical skills.

24. Green Bay Packers: Channing Crowder (so.), MLB, Florida
A tremendously productive player who adapted quickly to the collegiate game, Crowder has the ideal physical skills for a man in the middle.

25. Denver Broncos: Matt Roth, DE, Iowa
Roth is similar to David Pollack: undersized with a great motor and intensity. Roth was productive during his senior year and has good physical ability.

26. New York Jets: Carlos Rogers, CB, Auburn
A consistent, durable corner who can cover and support the run, Rogers has played against some of the best talent in the nation during his career.

27. Atlanta Falcons: Brandon Browner (so.), CB, Oregon State
A consistent cover man with good size, Browner would make a nice complement to Atlanta's top pick last year, CB DeAngelo Hall.

28. San Diego Chargers: Roscoe Parrish (jr.), WR, Miami
Parrish has speed and would be a good option to round out a receiving corps bolstered by the addition of WR Keenan McCardell and the emergence of TE Antonio Gates.

29. Indianapolis Colts: Bryant McFadden, CB, Florida State
Did not intercept many passes, but that's because teams respected his ability and avoided his side of the field. McFadden has the size to match up with big receivers.

30. New England Patriots: Justin Miller (jr.), CB, Clemson
A good fit for a team thin in the secondary this season.

31. Philadelphia Eagles: Justin Tuck (jr.), DE, Notre Dame
Good size and strength. Would be an asset for a team that thrives on pressuring the quarterback.

32. Pittsburgh Steelers: Alex Smith, TE, Stanford
An athletic pass receiver with great body control, Smith can stretch the deep middle and is a good hook-zone threat.

YoungTexanFan
01-18-2005, 06:43 PM
1. San Francisco 49ers- Alex Smith-QB-Utah*
2. Miami Dolphins- Cedric Benson-RB-Texas
3. Cleveland Browns- Aaron rogers
4. Chicago Bears- ronnie brown rb
5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers- carnell williams rb
6. Tennessee Titans- adam jones cb
7. Oakland Raiders- dan cody lb
8. Arizona Cardinals- travis johnson dt
9. Washington Redskins- braylon edwards wr
10. Detroit Lions- heath miller te
11. Dallas Cowboys- shawne merriman olb
12. San Diego Chargers(NYG)- derrick johnson lb
13. Houston Texans- MIKE WILLIAMS WR
14. Carolina Panthers- jammal brown ot
15. Kansas City Chiefs- antrel rolle cb
16. New Orleans Saints- thomas davis s
17. Cincinnati Bengals- erasmus james de
18. Minnesota Vikings*- shaun cody dl
19. St. Louis Rams*- david pollack de
20. Dallas Cowboys(BUF)- troy williamson wr
21. Jacksonville Jaguars- alex barron ot
22. Baltimore Ravens- roddy white wr
23. Seattle Seahawks*- darryl blackstock olb
24. Green Bay Packers*- channing crowder olb
25. Denver Broncos*- matt roth de
26. New York Jets*- carlos rogers cb
27. Atlanta Falcons*- brandon browner cb
28. San Diego Chargers*- roscoe parrish wr
29. Indianapolis Colts*- bryant mcfadden cb
30. Philadelphia Eagles*- justin miller cb
31. New England Patriots*- justin tuck de
32. Pittsburgh Steelers*- alex smith te

the bears wont take a rb before a wr. edwards or mike willams to chicago
if derrik johnson fell to past dallas i know caserly would try to get him
if rolle is available at 13 it is a much easier and a much smarter choice than williams.
williams will be a great player in this league, but not on our team.
detroit will probally take thomas davis.
alex barron wont fall to 21, if he is there and rolle isnt i would like to see us take him.
RECAP: rolle or barron before williams
if johnson is there at 12, we should trade up one s

AndreJ
01-18-2005, 06:56 PM
You guys seem to forget that our D needs a FS and SS. Look, Coleman was not a shutdown safety like I envisioned him to be. If we draft a Safety and Earl works out, Coleman might not even start.....

LoL...he made a funny :heh:

pek281
01-18-2005, 07:01 PM
Kiper throws us a bone and we salivate all over it... at least *I* did at the thought of getting Mike Williams at WR.

In MY mind for that spot, I was looking at best available player and NOT at needs. I agree with a lot of you that WR isn't our most glaring need, although a WR of his caliber certainly doesn't hurt matters.

Our most glaring need is either the O-line or D-line for sure. Our most pressing problems can be solved by addressing these.

Still though, isn't that gleaming, brand new car at the dealership more sexy than what you've already got in the garage? That dang Kiper got me dreaming.

gg no re
01-18-2005, 07:35 PM
the bears wont take a rb before a wr. edwards or mike willams to chicagoLet's not forget these are the same Bears who were stupid enough to trade Marty Booker instead of Anthony Thomas/Thomas Jones to Miami.

SESupergenius
01-18-2005, 08:39 PM
Gaffney should be our 3rd WR, not our 2nd. He may be able to catch the balls throw to him but doesn't get the separation or speed to outclass defenders. He is not another go to guy. If you are satisfied with Gaffney as your #2 when Johnson is doubled and we check down to Davis, feel free to enjoy another sub .500 season. This team needs playmakers.

Skrobes66
01-18-2005, 10:00 PM
This is a great pick! WR should be our #1 concern. Our defense has been solid. The main problem is not putting the ball in the end zone. I know defense wins championships, but we need to give the defense some rest. Jabar Gaffney is a very good receiver but he is a slot receiver (Just like Brandon Stokley of the Colts). We need to be able to spread the ball out and keep Andre Johnson from getting doubled.

Fiddy
01-18-2005, 10:05 PM
Our defense has been solid...They had that great stretch at the end but thats when they played the Bears, Jags, and Browns. None of those are going to be confused as offensive juggernaughts. Lee Suggs ran all over them, the Jags would of had a bunch of rushing yards if it werent for a couple of holding calls and us going up so quickly, and Thomas Jones started out great by the offense put us up so the Bears abonded the run game in the 2nd half. Our run defense stinks and we need some fresh, young bodies down there. Marcus Spears or Shaun Cody would be nice and DL is more of a need then WR.

If Gaff was targeted as much as Ashley Lelie (around 100 times), Gaff would have over 900 yards receiving (Lucky did that stat somewhere). The problem is Carr always checks down to Davis, sometimes too quickly, and takes away oppurtunities from Gaff. Davis was targeted (85 times) more then Gaff (65ish times) so a 2nd WR is not a problem, Gaff is that guy.

THE_HONKEY_TONK_KID
01-18-2005, 10:22 PM
Yet the Colts had 3 recievers with over 1000 yards. Unfair comparison I know, but still. If we brought Mike Williams in here, the DC would go crazy. I mean who do you cover more? AJ or MW? And with those two guys on the feild only opens the passing game up more to other players like Gaffney and Davis out of the backfeild. Heck even Miller could catch him a couple.

I liked some of Kipers draft, most of it I thought was crazy. If Alex Barron is avalible at us at #13, then its a now brainer how could we pass up a guy like that. I wouldn't be surpised if Chicago picks him up at #4, I mean who plays tackle for them anymore? And he won't get passed Tennesse thats for sure, they could cut both of their T's.

And what about Shwan Merriman going to the Cowboys to play OLB? I thought his guy was a DE who could play OLB in the 3-4. And no Washington won't grab a WR at #9, even if Gardner is gone they still have Taylor Jacobs and some other guys. They don't pass enough anyway to need both Edwards and Coles, not in that offense. Erammus James will be in Washington. And Shaun Cody before David Pollack??? Wow talk about draft day surprises.

Fiddy
01-18-2005, 10:25 PM
Yet the Colts had 3 recievers with over 1000 yards. Unfair comparison I know, but still. If we brought Mike Williams in here, the DC would go crazy. I mean who do you cover more? AJ or MW? And with those two guys on the feild only opens the passing game up more to other players like Gaffney and Davis out of the backfeild. Heck even Miller could catch him a couple. And we would posess the same problem as the Colts: Who is going to stop the run. The Steelers, Falcons and Patriots have proven, once again, that to be successful you have to run the ball and stop the run...

ArlingtonTexan
01-18-2005, 10:32 PM
I know some of you are going to play forgetful, but i remember having knock down debates over Andre Johnson on 2002 for the same reason as this Mike williams projection, the OLine needs help more than WR. Too many of you guys mistake the draft as resolution, in order, of a team highest priority need. the draft especially at the top of the first round is about the acquisition of talent. IMO, there is not a DLman nor OLman available at 13 who are better talents at their position than williams is at WR. rolle at CB is probably the next best talent, and then following that there are a couple of De/OLB tweeners. When given a choice of clear talent over need i go talent. Over time you will be better off. Neither Andre johnson nor Dunta Robinson resolved the highest need for the Texans in 2002 or 2003 , but they are pro bowl and near pro bowl performers. I expect the Texans to take the best talent as they did in 2002 and 2003 and hope that the results are some what similiar.

Fiddy
01-18-2005, 10:44 PM
I felt D-Rob and AJ both were needs. In 2002, I thought WR was a more glaring need then OL because I knew that we had all those injuries the first year and were starting a bunch of rookies. That season, we cut our sacks in almost half if I remember correctly. In 2003, we needed defense and with an aging Aaron Glenn, drafting a CB would do us great and would also get rid of Matt Stevens at FS. Now, I have never agreed with a lot of you but I feel as much as the Texans say BPA, they will go with their need.

And I dont see Mike Williams fitting into this offense. Capers wants a pound the rock type offense with deep threats down the field to work off the play action. Gaff is probably a better deep threat then Williams. So if you are going to upgrade any position in the offense, it would probably be adding an explosive back to tag with Davis so the play action will work more. And I remember plenty of times when D-lineman would not bite on the play-action fake this year and put their head down and go after Carr...

infantrycak
01-18-2005, 10:49 PM
I know some of you are going to play forgetful, but i remember having knock down debates over Andre Johnson on 2002 for the same reason as this Mike williams projection, the OLine needs help more than WR. Too many of you guys mistake the draft as resolution, in order, of a team highest priority need. the draft especially at the top of the first round is about the acquisition of talent.

You know we are water processing into the wind on this don't you? Gotta keep up the good fight though.

playoffsin2005
01-18-2005, 10:56 PM
The Colt's were the best at play action this season. Wher are they at? Home. What we need is to develop a short passing style and take shots downfield on One on one situations. Need proof ? Of the 4 teams left in the playoffs, 3 of them use a short passing game Atlanta, Philly, and NE. Williams would work . He big , physical pressance makes him an easy target off the ball.

AndreJ
01-18-2005, 10:58 PM
The Colt's were the best at play action this season. Wher are they at? Home. What we need is to develop a short passing style and take shots downfield on One on one situations. Need proof ? Of the 4 teams left in the playoffs, 3 of them use a short passing game Atlanta, Philly, and NE. Williams would work . He big , physical pressance makes him an easy target off the ball.

I've been wondering why we haven't tried that the entire season seeing as how our O-Line can't pass block for more than 2 sec.

playoffsin2005
01-18-2005, 11:00 PM
The learning curve is too great for rookies on either side of the line. Rookies make a bigger impact at the skill positions. Take Baas or vince Carter In the 2nd or 3rd.

playoffsin2005
01-18-2005, 11:08 PM
Carr got off 466 passes and completed 61.2% of them. Not bad for someone with pressure. DD was the 2nd leading receiver, meaning Carr was checking down often. He had time once in awhile, but it seems like we look down field often. Short passing = ball control = less time for opposing offenses. See NE vs. Indy

ArlingtonTexan
01-18-2005, 11:15 PM
You know we are water processing into the wind on this don't you? Gotta keep up the good fight though.

At least I know I am not alone :whew

Lucky
01-18-2005, 11:59 PM
This team needs playmakers.
Do teams like New England or Philly really have that many more playmakers than the Texans? Should the Texans continue to dip into the free agent pool for line help, only to pay premium $'s for mediocre talent? McKinney & Wiegert will be paid like top 10 players at their position next year. When will the Texans bring in some legit young talent to push these guys? 2006 when their combined cap hit approaches $9 million?

And the Texans have used one 1st day pick on a defensive lineman ('02 3rd rounder Charles Hill). He didn't make the team. The Patriots will go into this draft with 6 d-linemen still playing on their rookie contracts. I'm not criticizing the Texans past draft choices. I'm saying it's time to catch up. Maybe, just maybe, 30 year old guys like Walker & Payne will play at a higher level if their snaps can be reduced.

Maybe that's just me looking at the stat sheet where the Texans are at or near the bottom in QB sacks on both sides of the ball. I don't know, but it seems to me that if the QB can stand up a little longer & the opposition's QB can feel a little more heat, maybe the playmakers already on the team (like AJ, DD, Gaffney, Armstrong, Dunta, Glenn, & Coleman) can make a few more plays.

SESupergenius
01-19-2005, 01:10 AM
oh you seem to be stalking me. Yes absolutely the Patriots and Eagles have more playmakers than we do. If you want to talk about overpaying then you can say that about MOST of the positions on our team. Wong has a huge salary so does Glenn, Walker , David Carr, etc.

If you want sacks then ask Fangio to bring more heat as we already switch out players contantly to give them breaks. You tell what impact NT there is with our 1st pick? You could very well be wasting a pick on mediocre talent if you are drafting for need in the 1st round. Give me Mike Williams over most of those NT anyday.

Lucky
01-19-2005, 01:52 AM
oh you seem to be stalking me.
Sorry it seems that way. You were just posting on topics I wanted to discuss.

You want Mike Williams, but how much are you going to use him? If you give him Bradford's throws, that's 54 balls Williams will see. Are you going to cut into Gaffney & Armstrong's targets (68 & 39, respectively)? OK, now you added Williams, but devalued Gaffney & Armstrong. The Texans could feature the pass more, but they would be featuring the QB sack as well if the line isn't addressed.

Do you see Texans changing their offense because of a Mike Williams addition? I don't think Williams would even see a 100 balls his way. And if Mike is automatically among the elites in catches/ target (60-70%), he gets maybe 60 catches for 800-900 yards? Looks like a fantasy football type pick to me. Similar to the Cards taking Fitzgerald when they already had Boldin. Now they can't get the ball to either.

beerlover
01-19-2005, 03:30 AM
from what I remember last year Mike Williams was considered somewhat of a tweener, he had the size/frame of a TE but didn't excell at blocking, had WR hands but lacked the speed. where he goes in the draft will largely be influenced by his combine workouts, he needs to bench at least 25-30 reps, run close to a 4.5 40, show great fitness & work ethic. if he does these things chances are he'll be a top 10 pick, I'm leaning towards the Raiders @ #7.

would like to also add that if the Texans release Corey Bradford the Texans will need to address the WR position with a speed kinda guy, a latter round pick who slips through the cracks, depending how the 1st day draft goes I could see the Texans aquiring a speedster (sub 4.4) the 2nd day. there are a few lesser known names out there, one of them being Courtney Roby out of Indiana, not only is he fast (4.38) but has excellent character & pedigree (former NFL All-Pro punter Reggie Roby is Courtney’s cousin).

infantrycak
01-19-2005, 07:54 AM
You want Mike Williams, but how much are you going to use him? If you give him Bradford's throws, that's 54 balls Williams will see. Are you going to cut into Gaffney & Armstrong's targets (68 & 39, respectively)? OK, now you added Williams, but devalued Gaffney & Armstrong.

Not being a Mike Williams advocate here (something about him makes me a little antsy at the next level and he certainly doesn't give the Texans a speed threat opposite AJ) but the throws would hopefully come from Bradford who he would be replacing and some of DD's tosses--DD got about 90 targets this year. Wouldn't mind seeing 50 of those go to other WR's. Of course DC has to have time to get the ball to them.

TheOgre
01-19-2005, 08:09 AM
Gaffney should be our 3rd WR, not our 2nd. He may be able to catch the balls throw to him but doesn't get the separation or speed to outclass defenders. He is not another go to guy. If you are satisfied with Gaffney as your #2 when Johnson is doubled and we check down to Davis, feel free to enjoy another sub .500 season. This team needs playmakers.

Agree. I think TE needs to be addressed too.

Lucky
01-19-2005, 09:19 AM
Wouldn't mind seeing 50 of those go to other WR's. Of course DC has to have time to get the ball to them.
Look I wouldn't mind that, either. If the QB has time to get the ball down the field. But, Domanick's catches come mainly on sit routes 5 yards or less. Would you prefer Mike Williams run that route? Someone has to. The best way to reduce the number of balls going to Davis is to improve the pass blocking and give Carr more time to look downfield. It doesn't matter how nice a cart you have, it won't go anywhere if it's in front of the horse.

infantrycak
01-19-2005, 09:31 AM
Look I wouldn't mind that, either. If the QB has time to get the ball down the field. But, Domanick's catches come mainly on sit routes 5 yards or less. Would you prefer Mike Williams run that route? Someone has to. The best way to reduce the number of balls going to Davis is to improve the pass blocking and give Carr more time to look downfield. It doesn't matter how nice a cart you have, it won't go anywhere if it's in front of the horse.

Hey, I agree getting the OL working next year is the number one priority for the off-season. I asked you in another thread how you saw it happening, but bottom line IMO I don't see more than one starter being replaced by the beginning of next year and maybe none. My best case scenario would be draft someone like Baas in the 2nd or 3rd to replace McKinney and otherwise keep the players and scheme the same. I just don't see wholesale changes either realistically (as in I don't think the Texans will do it) nor ideally (as in I agree they shouldn't replace a bunch of players--heck reading around here they are all incompetent and the Texans need 5 new OLmen). With that in mind, and because I like BPA, I have no problem if the 1st round pick is a WR or CB for that matter. What do you really think needs to be done to the OL?

Lucky
01-19-2005, 10:23 AM
What do you really think needs to be done to the OL?
I don't really want to hijack Mel's thread, but I definitely want to see an infusion of talent into the lines on both sides of the ball. If these guys are ready to play now, that's great. The Pats & Panthers started rookies on the O-line in the last Super Bowl. The Chargers went 12-4 this season starting 2 rookies on the line. If not, it seems reasonable that the Texans could find guys on the 1st day of the draft that would be better backups than Brown, Weary, or Spears.

I'd like to see McKinney & Wiegert replaced at a minimum. Not only did they play poorly, but their lack of ownership for the results on the field make me cringe. I think it would send a great message to the younger players that a big salary guarantees you nothing in this organization. I'd also like to see Wand face some legit competition at LT. I haven't given up on Wand as a NFL lineman, but I'm much more confident that Gaffney can be a productive #2 WR than I am of Wand becoming a good LT. We haven't seen what's going to happen with free agency, or franchise tags, or salary cap dumps. But teams are finding ways to keep their best players now & I don't think the Texans could count on help there...even if they wanted to.

And then we go back, yet again, to the whole notion of BPA. Go back through any draft and you can find good players available at almost any position. The key is to find them and that onus is on the Texans scouting department. The Texans have had the luxury the past 3 drafts of taking almost any position because they had so many holes on their roster. The holes are fewer, but some still remain. There's no doubt in my mind that there will be an offensive or defensive lineman available to the Texans when they select that would have more of an impact and bring more value to this team than Mike Williams would.

Reddevil63
01-19-2005, 10:25 AM
The O-line needs an offseason of practice without any personel changes. They just need time to gel. If things dont get better this year than its obvious the personel is the problem.

Lucky
01-19-2005, 10:31 AM
The O-line needs an offseason of practice without any personel changes. They just need time to gel.
What were they doing last offseason, playing video games? Each of the linemen who actually played in '03 regressed in '04. Why would vets like McKinney & Wiegert be likely to improve? Crossing one's fingers & hoping a situation gets better is not a proactive solution.

TheOgre
01-19-2005, 10:36 AM
Wiegert was our best run blocking lineman in 2003, but h3 couldn't block my blind and crippled grandmother in 2004.

wiley2002
01-19-2005, 10:44 AM
I hope you are kidding. Last season, he averaged 15.4 ypc #1 on the Texans, 1 yard more per catch than AJ, his long was 69 yards #1 on the Texans, and that was 15 yards longer than AJ's longest catch, and he had 632 yards total receiving, 2nd only behind AJ.

Finally someone who agrees with me on something. Keep this info coming.

SESupergenius
01-19-2005, 12:38 PM
Well last year they were busy learning a new scheme, so that in part has something to do with the miscues by the line.

As for Williams, I am a firm believer that you should take the best player available in the 1st round if you have an area of improvement still for that position. WR falls into that category in my book. OL can bea addressed in the 2nd round, although our ability to draft good players in the 2nd round is making me wonder if that is a good idea. (that is a jab) If an offensive lineman is better than Mike Williams when we draft #13 then so be it, but passing up on Williams just to fill a need devalues that slot. If an offensive lineman is rated lower then to get value for that pick we would need to make a deal to trade down.

El Tejano
01-24-2005, 11:52 AM
I just have to think that there is a reason for that, one that we dont see on Sunday's but on the practice field. I could be wrong, I dont pretend to think Im right but I can remember a few times where Gaff ran the wrong routes etc. and maybe thats a bigger problem than a couple of times a game.
The reason is the offensive line. If you look at the Eagles, Steelers, and Patriots, all of those QBs had time to wait for a receiver to get open or when the QB rolled out to buy more time the offensive line provided more protection for him to get rid of the ball and receivers got open. Carr hasn't had that luxury since he has been in the league. Bottom line is that our line is the bottom.

wiley2002
01-24-2005, 01:08 PM
All I can do is hope that the right people will be picked to fill in our problems on the o-line.

Reddevil63
02-08-2005, 03:57 PM
He has updated his mock if anybody with Insider wants to post it up :hmmm:

AlexVanderpool
02-08-2005, 04:12 PM
Ask and you shall receive:

http://proxy.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=kiper_jr_mel&id=1987013&CMP=ILC-INHEAD

Here's how they fall into order:
1. San Francisco 49ers: Alex Smith (jr.), QB, Utah
A smart player who will pick up an NFL system quickly, Smith has good size, is mobile enough to hurt teams with his running ability and is also an efficient passer who can make all the necessary throws.



2. Miami Dolphins: Cedric Benson, RB, Texas
A strong, tough runner with good speed for his size, Benson would help fill the void left by the retirement of Ricky Williams. But there is speculation the Dolphins will attempt to fill their running back need through trade, perhaps for Buffalo's Travis Henry, so stay tuned.



3. Cleveland Browns: Aaron Rodgers (jr.), QB, California
Rodgers is a smart, accurate passer with a quick release. His arm strength is adequate and he is a better prospect at this point in his career than former Cal QB Kyle Boller, now the starter for the Baltimore Ravens.



4. Chicago Bears: Braylon Edwards, WR, Michigan
Edwards has the size, speed and athleticism to take over games, and he did that several times in 2004. He also significantly cut down on dropped passes and concentration lapses this past season, pushing his stock even higher.



5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Carnell Wiliams, RB, Auburn
A creative, deceptive runner with tremendous natural skills. Williams can get tough yards inside despite lacking ideal size, a point illustrated by his 29 rushing TDs over the last two years. Was also coached by Tampa head coach Jon Gruden in the Senior Bowl.



6. Tennessee Titans: Adam Jones, CB, West Virginia
A good cover man who will also contribute as a kick returner, Jones has very good closing speed and is a willing tackler in run support. That may be his most important quality with the NFL hurting pass defenses by focusing on downfield infractions by defensive backs.



7. Oakland Raiders: Dan Cody, DE, Oklahoma
A fiery, intense player who always goes all-out, Cody is similar to former NFL standout Kevin Greene in his ability to play on his feet as an outside linebacker, or in a three-point stance as a defensive end.



8. Arizona Cardinals: Ronnie Brown, RB, Auburn
Perhaps the most complete back in the draft, Brown can carry or catch the ball with equal skill. He has size, instincts and quickness that allowed him to put up excellent numbers at the college level.



9. Washington Redskins: Mike Williams (jr.), WR, USC
Williams did not play in 2004 but dominated the college game for two seasons while at USC. His 6-foot-5, 230-pound frame gives him a big advantage over defensive backs, and he has excellent hands. Would be a great help in the development of quarterback Patrick Ramsey and help take some pressure off Clinton Portis in the running game.




Marcus Spears bolstered his stock immensely in Mobile.
10. Detroit Lions: Marcus Spears, DE, LSU
Spears boosted his stock immensely with an outstanding performance at the Senior Bowl. He showcased his speed, strength and athleticism against some of the best offensive linemen in the nation, and his size would make him a welcome addition for a team that needs to boost its pass rush.



11. Dallas Cowboys: Travis Johnson, DT, Florida State
Spends a lot of time in opposing backfields after collapsing the pocket or gaining penetration against the run. Came on strong and raised his stock significantly during his senior year.



12. San Diego Chargers (from NYG): Derrick Johnson, OLB, Texas
Has the speed and strength to chase ballcarriers from sideline to sideline and make things happen when he gets to the ball.



13. Houston Texans: Troy Williamson (jr.), WR, South Carolina
Perhaps the fastest wideout in the draft, Williamson would be a nice complement to budding superstar and physical wideout Andre Johnson.



14. Carolina Panthers: Alex Barron, OT, Florida State
With light feet for a player his size, Barron is a consistent blocker who is equally adept in both the pass and run games.



15. Kansas City Chiefs: Shawne Merriman (jr.), DE/OLB, Maryland
A workout warrior who would help shore up a defensive line that had trouble pressuring the quarterback last season. Expect Kansas City to commit nearly its entire draft to the defensive side of the ball.



16. New Orleans Saints: Brodney Pool (jr.), S, Oklahoma
A complete safety who excels in coverage and is more than adequate in run support, Pool has excellent size, covers a lot of ground and shows good anticipation in diagnosing plays.



17. Cincinnati Bengals: Roddy White, WR, UAB
A big-play wideout who averaged 20.0 yards per catch last season, White's combination of size and speed is in the elite category.



18. Minnesota Vikings: Shaun Cody, DL, USC
A versatile lineman who can play end or tackle, and was a leader on the nation's best rush defense..



19. St. Louis Rams: Erasmus James, DE, Wisconsin
Has to answer questions about his durability, but when healthy, James was a force along the line who commanded double-team blocks on a regular basis.



20. Dallas Cowboys (from BUF): Antrell Rolle, CB, Miami
A good cover man who did not see a lot of balls thrown his way in 2004, Rolle was still a force in run support and is adept at blitzing off the corner.



21. Jacksonville Jaguars: Khalif Barnes, OT, Washington
Another player who raised his stock at the Senior Bowl, where he answered questions about a wrist injury that sidelined him for the final six games of 2004. Excellent in both run and pass blocking and earned the respect of Iowa DE Matt Roth at the Senior Bowl, with Roth calling Barnes the best tackle he faced all season.




Mark Clayton would be a great weapon for Kyle Boller.
22. Baltimore Ravens: Mark Clayton, WR, Oklahoma
Has excellent speed and is one of the best in years at running after the catch, making Clayton a big-play threat who would give young QB Kyle Boller another option on the outside.



23. Seattle Seahawks: Matt Roth, DE, Iowa
A tremendous natural pass rusher who has fire and intensity, Roth's outstanding consistency this season helped raise his stock.



24. Green Bay Packers: Thomas Davis (jr.), OLB, Georgia
A punishing tackler who played safety in college, Davis has the size and speed to become a force in the front seven at the pro level.



25. Denver Broncos: Demarcus Ware, OLB, Troy
Needs to add a little bulk to his frame, but his quickness would give a boost to a Denver pass rush that was lackluster in 2004.



26. New York Jets: Carlos Rogers, CB, Auburn
A physical player who is an asset in run support and also has the speed to be an outstanding cover man. Rogers was the best player on a very good Auburn defense thanks to his consistency and durability.



27. Atlanta Falcons: Brandon Browner (so.), CB, Oregon State
With his good size and speed, Browner is a consistent cover man who would be a nice complement to last year's top pick, fellow CB D'Angelo Hall.



28. San Diego Chargers: Roscoe Parrish (jr.), WR, Miami
A speedy guy who would round out a receiving corps bolstered this season by the addition of Keenan McCardell and the emergence of TE Antonio Gates. Parrish would also be an asset in the return game.



29. Indianapolis Colts: Anttaj Hawthorne, DT, Wisconsin
His combination of size, strength and athleticism make Hawthorne an ideal 4-3 defensive tackle. He knows how to handle double-team blocks and can create lost-yardage plays.



30. Pittsburgh Steelers: Heath Miller (jr.), TE, Virginia
A tremendous pass receiver and a willing blocker along the line, Miller would give young quarterback Ben Roethlisberger another weapon to complement his wide receivers and also be a help to the Pittsburgh running game.



31. Philadelphia Eagles: Reggie Brown, WR, Georgia
Has excellent size and hands and gained plenty of attention with a good Senior Bowl showing. Would be a nice addition to a receiving corps led by Terrell Owens.



32. New England Patriots: Channing Crowder (so.), MLB, Florida
Crowder immediately became one of the best linebackers in college after setting foot on campus. He has all the skills and instincts to be a tremendous middle linebacker at the next level.


Borderline first-rounders

The players below are on the very fringe of the first round and depending on how things shake down some, all or none of them could ultimately end up being taken off the board in the first 31 selections:

Darryl Blackstock, OLB, Virginia

Jammal Brown, OT, Oklahoma

Jason Campbell, QB, Auburn

Charlie Frye, QB, Akron

Bryant McFadden, CB, Florida State

David Pollack, DE, Georgia

Justin Tuck (jr.), DE, Notre Dame

WWJD
02-08-2005, 04:14 PM
I really think the Texans have any number of ways they can go in the draft.

I'm becoming more inclined to think they will draft "best player available" and no so much by position need.

Reddevil63
02-08-2005, 04:20 PM
Thanks for the post but what the...?!?!?!?!? That pick came out of left field. I think this makes it official that nobody really knows whats going to happen until April. :hairpull:

WWJD
02-08-2005, 04:29 PM
Is Adam Jones the guy known as Pacman?

nunusguy
02-08-2005, 04:51 PM
Thanks for the post Alex - nice to know we've got some money guys on the
Board who can afford Kiper's service. Its an interesting Mock. I dunno, unless
this South Carolina WY gets an awful good recommendation from D-Rob, I'd
take Mark Clayton or another possession type receiver as a compliment to AJ. But I don't think we will draft any WR, unless somehow Mike Williams is
still available.

Lucky
02-08-2005, 04:53 PM
Is Adam Jones the guy known as Pacman?
Yes. Adam Jones, CB from West Virginia, prefers to be called Pac-Man.

In a related story, UT OLB Derrick Johnson has legally changed his name to "Frogger". :)

AlexVanderpool
02-08-2005, 04:53 PM
Thanks for the post but what the...?!?!?!?!? That pick came out of left field. I think this makes it official that nobody really knows whats going to happen until April. :hairpull:

I couldnt agree more....in that position, alex barron or antrell rolle are a no-brainer.

WWJD
02-08-2005, 05:04 PM
The reason I asked about the Pac-Man guy (I misspelled it earlier) is that I've read a few places where some "experts" are saying this guy is a can't miss player. I am trying to recall if I've seen him before and I can't say I remember that I have but if this talk is true he sounds like a can't miss type of player.

Blake
02-08-2005, 05:06 PM
Yes. Adam Jones, CB from West Virginia, prefers to be called Pac-Man.

In a related story, UT OLB Derrick Johnson has legally changed his name to "Frogger". :)

The Texans decide to make it a clean sweep, and pick up Atari Bigsby, S, of Central Florida. Aparently the Texans want to lock up all the video game sponsorships. :)

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/playerprofiles/s/ataribigby.html

Blake
02-08-2005, 05:08 PM
P.S. I hate the pick. I would rather see us get Barron, Merriman, Rolle, Davis.

nunusguy
02-08-2005, 05:38 PM
It's been awhile since a RB was taken in the first round, yet Kiper's Mock
has no less than 3 RB picks in the top round. And Kiper is about as close as anyone to hitting the mark on these predictions. Since nobody is representing
these RBs as another OJ or Bo Jackson, maybe this is a really very weak
draft. Atleast at the top.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
02-08-2005, 05:40 PM
I would be outraged if we drafted Williamson in the first round with Barron, Davis, Rolle, Merriman, and Rogers still on the board. Hell, I would rather draft Heath Miller than any receiver not named Mike Williams.

rittenhouserobz
02-08-2005, 07:01 PM
I would be outraged if we drafted Williamson in the first round with Barron, Davis, Rolle, Merriman, and Rogers still on the board. Hell, I would rather draft Heath Miller than any receiver not named Mike Williams.

Was Derrick Johnson not even mentioned? :thud:

Rosusu
02-08-2005, 07:36 PM
Didn't CC say that we would be taking Best Defensive Player available? I thought I remember him saying that. If DJ was one spot ahead of us I think we should give up a 5th or 6th and trade up that one spot to grab him. Chargers have 2 picks in the first so they would probably do it.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
02-08-2005, 07:48 PM
Yea but Kiper has DJ going a pick ahead of us. I was talking about the guys after the 13th pick.

D-ReK
02-08-2005, 10:00 PM
I don't really have a problem with the pick, but Roscoe Parrish in the first? Didn't he get a third round projection by the Advisory Commitee?

texansfan88
02-08-2005, 10:11 PM
After studying Kipers tendencies over the last few years, he always seems to rank some players higher than others and some that should be top 10 picks, down in the lower half of the first.

This is part of why he is "a guru". As the offseason wears on, he puts players up there that should have been there since the beginning, in an effort to look smarter than anyone else when draft day gets here.

P.S. Most of his information is from Vinny Cerato, GM for the Redskins.

rittenhouserobz
02-09-2005, 07:28 AM
I apologize for being so blind. :) I didn't even see where he was picked in the first round. :wacko:
If DJ does fall that far maybe the Texans would make a move.

beerlover
02-10-2005, 12:27 PM
After studying Kipers tendencies over the last few years, he always seems to rank some players higher than others and some that should be top 10 picks, down in the lower half of the first.

This is part of why he is "a guru". As the offseason wears on, he puts players up there that should have been there since the beginning, in an effort to look smarter than anyone else when draft day gets here.

P.S. Most of his information is from Vinny Cerato, GM for the Redskins.

I agree texansfan88, notice in his first Mock (posted here) that a certain 300lb DE from LSU named Marcus Spears was not even mentioned as a 1st round pick, now his stock has risen because of Mobile to the 10th overall? when all along he was a top 15 pick from the beginning, this proves your point. so if anything else seems out of order it probably is, just enjoy the ride through draft day into what has become the most closely watched Non-Sporting event in Sports :mag:

TheTim5125
02-10-2005, 12:34 PM
that would be amazing... although you guys are right.But that would be an amzing pick.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
02-10-2005, 01:28 PM
Mel Kiper is having an open chat right now on ESPN.com if anyone is interested.


http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=7229#bottom