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ArlingtonTexan
03-24-2009, 09:20 AM
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2009/03/broncos-looking-to-trade-running-back/

Two NFL executives say the Broncos have been asking teams if they are interested in acquiring one of their running backs. It makes sense after the Broncos signed three free-agent tailbacks: Correll Buckhalter, J.J. Arrington and LaMont Jordan.

The Broncos’ holdover running backs who can be had for trade: Selvin Young, Ryan Torain and Peyton Hillis.

Polo
03-24-2009, 09:24 AM
I'll trade next years 7th for Selvin

Kaiser Toro
03-24-2009, 09:53 AM
No thank you on Selvin Young, as I have seen way too much of him to know he is not worth givin up anything for other than league minimum.

I did like Hillis at Arkansas and before the injury.

bah007
03-24-2009, 10:18 AM
Torain is a beast. I think he has some injury history though.

I like Hillis as well.

Maddict5
03-24-2009, 10:23 AM
torain had alot of pre-season hype from denver fans.. dont know if its justified or not cos he got injured before nearly anyone saw him

hillis did lok good

wouldnt mind giving up a late rounder on either

Texecutioner
03-24-2009, 11:49 AM
Hillis was the most consistent RB that Denver had last season that came out of nowhere when he got his chance because all of their backs got hurt. If the Texans want a nice guy and a bruiser to pair with Slaton than here is the guy. When he was playing, he was doing everything from running in between the tackles to catching short passes, he was a total utility player for them. He would be a very big help to this team no question. There is absolutely no reason why we shouldn't be going after this guy and trying to trade a late rounder especially since we were going after Ced Benson. If we could get Hillis, that would take a lot of the importance away from having to use a pick in the 3rd or 4th on a RB to pair with Slaton.

If HIllis goes to a team that utilizes his strengths he'll be a nice player to have for many years. He is really young and doesn't have a lot of miles on him either. Plus he already knows the running system that we run over here.

bah007
03-24-2009, 11:55 AM
I remember someone on this board was all over the Hillis train last year?

I can't remember who it was though? Beerlover maybe? Or Threetoedpete? I think it was one of them, or both.

Texecutioner
03-24-2009, 12:00 PM
I remember someone on this board was all over the Hillis train last year?

I can't remember who it was though? Beerlover maybe? Or Threetoedpete? I think it was one of them, or both.

I never knew who he was until last season, but when he got his chance he was all over the place getting those tough yards that the Broncos had been lacking in getting all season. Unfortunately he got hurt in like his 3rd start or something like that. The dude was all utility type of player though that could play well on basically any team.

Dean 74
03-24-2009, 12:01 PM
c'mon guys,
don't we love the hometown guys? ;)
selvin comming from jersey village high and being a longhorn?
-74

bah007
03-24-2009, 12:01 PM
I never knew who he was until last season, but when he got his chance he was all over the place getting those tough yards that the Broncos had been lacking in getting all season. Unfortunately he got hurt in like his 3rd start or something like that. The dude was all utility type of player though that could play well on basically any team.

I really liked him at Arkansas. He played FB and I think he was all conference.

He isn't the best blocker for a FB, but he runs very well and he can catch out of the backfield.

beerlover
03-24-2009, 12:03 PM
don't be surprised if the Texans take a look at one or all since they fit ZBS & Kubiak has a proclivity for Shanahan players :scarygirl:

WolverineFan
03-24-2009, 12:04 PM
Well instead of drafting a big RB in the 3rd or 4th round we could send a late round pick to Denver for Hillis. He's a big bruising RB and already has experience in the zone blocking scheme. Actually he was very effective in it last year. I also love Ryan Torain, but it seems like he's been injured every season since he was a SOPH in college.

El Tejano
03-24-2009, 12:05 PM
Who was the kid that came from UofH that tore us up in the preseason game last year? Can't we trade for him?

Texecutioner
03-24-2009, 12:05 PM
I really liked him at Arkansas. He played FB and I think he was all conference.

He isn't the best blocker for a FB, but he runs very well and he can catch out of the backfield.

He found the end zone in every game he started last season I believe. He is the kind of bruiser that we could use in the red zone. If Smith isn't trying to pull off a deal on a guy like this that could easily help the team that should be able to be had for a late pick like 6th or something, I won't ever expect the Texans to go after any real free agents. This is a guy that could be had for cheap right now, and exactly what we need. Mcdaniels is letting a lot of those Broncos players go right now and all but Cutler will probably go for a bargain since teams know that Mcdaniels doesn't want them and if they keep those guys Mcdaniels probably won't utilize certain players any way, so it's pretty useless to keep them.

El Tejano
03-24-2009, 12:23 PM
Just asking...we got an extra 4th right? So we have a pick to spend. Not necessarily a 4th but what I'm saying is getting rid of a pick for a player with experience (good experience at that) doesn't hurt the number of picks we have in this year's draft. I say make the deal and get it done.

P.S. Can someone remind me how we got the extra 4th again?

WolverineFan
03-24-2009, 12:24 PM
P.S. Can someone remind me how we got the extra 4th again?


Traded Sage to the Vikings.

Brando
03-24-2009, 12:44 PM
Who was the kid that came from UofH that tore us up in the preseason game last year? Can't we trade for him?


Anthony Aldridge? He was waived by Denver and picked up by Washington.

CloakNNNdagger
03-24-2009, 12:48 PM
At 6'2" and 250#, he is a bruiser, difficult to bring down. Last year, when given a chance, he managed 5 yds/carry for 5 TDs and no fumbles. He knows the system. But here's the hooker............he's coming off a December injury leading to post-season hamstring repair. Despite this, he should have enough time to rehab adequately by OT. And this type of repaired injury is less likely to recur than a pure tear. I say bring him in.

Ole Miss Texan
03-24-2009, 12:59 PM
Hillis is exactly the kind of player I would think McDaniels likes and would want to keep.

In anycase, I'd definitely give up a late round pick for the guy. He could be a GREAT fullback in this system and a good guy to split carries with Slaton. I would be excited about that.

CloakNNNdagger
03-24-2009, 01:34 PM
Hillis is exactly the kind of player I would think McDaniels likes and would want to keep.

In anycase, I'd definitely give up a late round pick for the guy. He could be a GREAT fullback in this system and a good guy to split carries with Slaton. I would be excited about that.


That use of his talent was not that highly touted at the time of his draft. However, with the correct coaching, this could be a definite dual potential.:

BIOGRAPHY: Three-year starter who totaled 62/347/2 on the ground last season when he led Arkansas in receiving with 49/537/5. Junior-year totals included pass-catching numbers of 19/159. Has lined up at both fullback and tailback. Used to return punts the past three seasons.

POSITIVES: Athletic lead blocker who.s also been productive handling the ball. Plays with a good degree of quickness, shows good vision, and fast enough to turn the corner and create space for the ball-carrier. Works hard, seals opponents from the action, and chips defenders to open lanes for running backs. Effective receiver who adjusts to the errant throw and makes the reception in stride. Possesses the speed to be a downfield pass-catching threat. Instinctive, immediately picks up blitzes, and stays with assignments.

NEGATIVES: Marginally strong at the point, gathers into blocks, and rarely finishes off defenders. Does a lot of unnecessary cut-blocking. Lacks top ball-carrying skills.

ANALYSIS: Hillis is an oversized running back who lacks the pure strength to be a lead blocker. His pass-catching skills and athleticism are best suited for a west coast offense.

PROJECTION: Early Fifth Round

[LINK] (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2008/draft/players/12375.html)

El Tejano
03-24-2009, 01:59 PM
At 6'2" and 250#, he is a bruiser, difficult to bring down. Last year, when given a chance, he managed 5 yds/carry for 5 TDs and no fumbles. He knows the system. But here's the hooker............he's coming off a December injury leading to post-season hamstring repair. Despite this, he should have enough time to rehab adequately by OT. And this type of repaired injury is less likely to recur than a pure tear. I say bring him in.

CND says it's a go so let's make this deal. The other thing we need to think of is there are other RBs on the roster right now too so that gives him some time to heal also.

Texecutioner
03-24-2009, 02:10 PM
Hillis is the best RB out there for the Texans in this entire off season. I've actually been wondering for about two weeks if Mcdaniels was going to want to keep this guy or not. He could be the bruiser next to Slaton and could be a good red zone guy. I'll be pretty ticked if we don't at least try and make a move on this guy after Kubiak has gone after tons of Denver cast offs the last 3 years. Here is the best one that could help us out of any of the ones that he brought in before so we should be all over this. He knows our running scheme and has the skill set that we're currently looking for. I'd have no problem trading one of our 4th rounders for him for sure.

HOU-TEX
03-24-2009, 02:24 PM
Hillis is the best RB out there for the Texans in this entire off season. I've actually been wondering for about two weeks if Mcdaniels was going to want to keep this guy or not. He could be the bruiser next to Slaton and could be a good red zone guy. I'll be pretty ticked if we don't at least try and make a move on this guy after Kubiak has gone after tons of Denver cast offs the last 3 years. Here is the best one that could help us out of any of the ones that he brought in before so we should be all over this. He knows our running scheme and has the skill set that we're currently looking for. I'd have no problem trading one of our 4th rounders for him for sure.

You'd give a 4th for a guy that's had 68 carries and coming off a torn hamstring? Sure his ypc is nice, but I'll pass.

I'm pretty sure we'd be able to pick up a healthier and likely better player with one of our 4ths.

Texecutioner
03-24-2009, 02:32 PM
You'd give a 4th for a guy that's had 68 carries and coming off a torn hamstring? Sure his ypc is nice, but I'll pass.

I'm pretty sure we'd be able to pick up a healthier and likely better player with one of our 4ths.

He didn't have any career threatening injury. The guy was a beast for the Broncos in the few games that he started and was a blue collar work horse with a great attitude willing to do whatever was asked. That is exactly the kind of player that the Texans need in short yardage situations and to block as well which is something he also has no problem doing. We need a bruiser who is good in the red zone, well here he is and he comes from the same scheme that we currently run.

Did you watch him last season in those games, or just look at his stat line?I look at the 68 carries as a plus, because he hasn't had his body torn up that much other than that hamstring injury which is something that pretty much every NFL player gets at some point.

I'd be happy to give up a 4th round pick for this guy and I'd consider it a bargain as well. You don't come across to many high character blue collar guys like Hillis to often especially at the RB position where a lot of them tend to be divas.

CloakNNNdagger
03-24-2009, 02:40 PM
Hillis is the best RB out there for the Texans in this entire off season. I've actually been wondering for about two weeks if Mcdaniels was going to want to keep this guy or not. He could be the bruiser next to Slaton and could be a good red zone guy. I'll be pretty ticked if we don't at least try and make a move on this guy after Kubiak has gone after tons of Denver cast offs the last 3 years. Here is the best one that could help us out of any of the ones that he brought in before so we should be all over this. He knows our running scheme and has the skill set that we're currently looking for. I'd have no problem trading one of our 4th rounders for him for sure.

Peyton Hillis: (Hamstring) Recovering Well (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=rotowire-eytonillisamstringec&prov=rotowire&type=fantasy)
RotoWire.com Staff - RotoWire.com
Mar 17, 1:04 pm EDT

Hillis (hamstring) was told by doctors that his recovery is ahead of schedule and he expects to be fully recovered by April, the Denver Post reports.

Recommendation: Hillis had surgery on December 12 to repair a torn muscle in his hamstring after injuring it during a game against Kansas City. While he began last season as the starting fullback, he eventually made his way onto fantasy teams due to the Broncos’ rash of injuries at the running back position. With three running backs added to the roster already this offseason, it is probable that Hillis will go back to primarily being a blocker.

Texecutioner
03-24-2009, 02:49 PM
Peyton Hillis: (Hamstring) Recovering Well (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=rotowire-eytonillisamstringec&prov=rotowire&type=fantasy)
RotoWire.com Staff - RotoWire.com
Mar 17, 1:04 pm EDT

The dude helped me win my fantasy league. I was crushed when he got hurt though. He became my trojan horse when all my RB's kept going down.

His injury was nothing major and hamstring problems bother every NFL player practically. I wouldn't call that an injury issue.

HOU-TEX
03-24-2009, 02:51 PM
He didn't have any career threatening injury. The guy was a beast for the Broncos in the few games that he started and was a blue collar work horse with a great attitude willing to do whatever was asked. That is exactly the kind of player that the Texans need in short yardage situations and to block as well which is something he also has no problem doing. We need a bruiser who is good in the red zone, well here he is and he comes from the same scheme that we currently run.

Did you watch him last season in those games, or just look at his stat line?I look at the 68 carries as a plus, because he hasn't had his body torn up that much other than that hamstring injury which is something that pretty much every NFL player gets at some point.

I'd be happy to give up a 4th round pick for this guy and I'd consider it a bargain as well. You don't come across to many high character blue collar guys like Hillis to often especially at the RB position where a lot of them tend to be divas.

Yes, I did watch a Bronco game or two. I'd still use one of my 4ths in the draft for a RB.

Hooston Texan
03-24-2009, 02:52 PM
Assuming Hillis is recovered from his injury, I'd be willing to acquire him for any one of our later picks starting with the one we got for Sage (now #122 after the compensatories were announced).

Hillis started his career at Arkansas as a tailback but got switched when McFadden and Jones arrived the next season. But even while those two devoured the headlines and the yardage, Hillis continued to produce in his limited carries. He was always a weapon in the passing game, too. He can play both TB and FB, so he'd be an ideal addition to bolster our depth at both positions. He's nowhere near Leach as a blocker, but as a backup FB, we could do worse.

I would be stunned if the Broncos put him on the block. But, if they do, we should definitely inquire.

Polo
03-24-2009, 02:57 PM
I wouldn't trade a fourth for any of those guys. I'd rather use that fourth on a RB in the draft.

El Tejano
03-24-2009, 03:02 PM
Hillis does this for our team:

You can put him and Slaton on the field at the same time. Slaton splits out wide (instead of Leach who we know is not going to get the ball thrown to), defense shifts because they have to guard Speed Slaton or he will kill you, and yet you could still hand off the ball and get the first down. Or vice versa.

Polo
03-24-2009, 03:04 PM
Hillis does this for our team:

You can put him and Slaton on the field at the same time. Slaton splits out wide (instead of Leach who we know is not going to get the ball thrown to), defense shifts because they have to guard Speed Slaton or he will kill you, and yet you could still hand off the ball and get the first down. Or vice versa.

That's a good idea, but for some reason I think they'd still put Leach out there.

And why couldn't we get a back that will enable us to do that in the draft?


I'm not arguing against hillis, I'm just not sold on giving up a fourth rounder for him.

Texecutioner
03-24-2009, 03:49 PM
That's a good idea, but for some reason I think they'd still put Leach out there.

And why couldn't we get a back that will enable us to do that in the draft?


I'm not arguing against hillis, I'm just not sold on giving up a fourth rounder for him.

Peyton Hillis got significant playing time in weeks 11-14

Week 11 - 10 carries for 44 yards and 2 TD's
Week 12 - 17 carries for 74 yards and 1 TD
Week 13 - 22 carries for 129 yards and 1 TD
Week 14 - 8 carries for 58 yards and 1 TD (And he got hurt early on in the first half of this game)

And in week 9 he didn't get any carries but had 7 receptions for 116 yards and a TD there as well, so he is very good in the passing game.


So basically he is a one year player that didn't even get hardly any carries until week 11 and did nothing but post nice yardage gain after gain and got at least 1 TD in each game.

Do you just think it's that easy to cherry pick RB's the 4th round that can be consistent like this guy is? Just because we got lucky with Slaton doesn't mean it's that easy at all.

It makes no sense to gamble on a draft pick that might or might not work when there is a PROVEN player that got 5 TD's in only 3 and half games of significant playing time. The guy is not only a guy that will move the chains consistently, but he finds the end zone which is exactly what the Texans are looking for.

WolverineFan
03-24-2009, 03:54 PM
Yes, I did watch a Bronco game or two. I'd still use one of my 4ths in the draft for a RB.

I agree. I would give up a 6th or 7th for Hillis no problem, but a 4th? No way.

Texecutioner
03-24-2009, 04:16 PM
Wow! I guess production means nothing to some people in here. All Hillis has done is produce when he had his opportunities. He is easily worth a 4th rounder and the more I think about it, the dude is even worth a 3rd round pick when his production is considered for what he's done in the rushing game and the passing game.

Hooston Texan
03-24-2009, 04:23 PM
Hillis is also an incredibly low-mileage back. As was noted above, he only got 68 carries last season. But in college, he only carried the ball 205 times his whole career. Some guys log that many carries by early November. Still, he's produced whenever he's been given the chance.

They guy can be a feature back--he showed that in Denver before a freak injury ended his season. He was outstanding in short yardage. He's got a fullback mentality (though he's not in Leach's league as a lead-blocker) and can definitely back up that position, too. He's always been a great receiver out of the backfield. I don't know how he is in pass protection, but Cutler was only sacked 3 times in the seven games that he amassed statistics in.

He won't turn 24 until after the 2009 season and has three years left on a contract that only pays him about $1.3 million total.

I know we all love having draft picks because it makes the draft that much more fun to follow. But you can never be sure that the guy you draft--especially in later rounds--can hack it at this level. Will they wilt when they are being hit, play-after-play, by the runaway locomotives who play linebacker in the NFL? Hillis has already proven that he can play in this league. Frankly, a fourth rounder for him--if healthy--would be a bargain. Which is why I can't imagine the Bronco's wanting to move him. But if they are that stupid, I'd be beating their door.

CloakNNNdagger
03-24-2009, 04:37 PM
[QUOTE=Hooston Texan;1147193]Assuming Hillis is recovered from his injury, I'd be willing to acquire him for any one of our later picks starting with the one we got for Sage (now #122 after the compensatories were announced).

Hillis started his career at Arkansas as a tailback but got switched when McFadden and Jones arrived the next season. But even while those two devoured the headlines and the yardage, Hillis continued to produce in his limited carries. He was always a weapon in the passing game, too. He can play both TB and FB, so he'd be an ideal addition to bolster our depth at both positions. He's nowhere near Leach as a blocker, but as a backup FB, we could do worse.[QUOTE]



Never mind wrong threed

Maddict5
03-24-2009, 05:57 PM
i also agree a 4th is too high... but id be fine with a 5th and delighted with a 6th or 7th

this FO has a great record in the 4th

TimeKiller
03-24-2009, 06:41 PM
I think I'd give a 4th at most, it sure would be nice to have a guy like that as a compliment. You still have another 4th and probably still select a late round back somewhere in day 2 so....I'd say go for it.

WolverineFan
03-24-2009, 07:43 PM
I think I'd give a 4th at most, it sure would be nice to have a guy like that as a compliment. You still have another 4th and probably still select a late round back somewhere in day 2 so....I'd say go for it.

Yea, but just because we want a RB in the 4th round area and we have two 4th round picks doesn't mean we should give one up for him. I would much rather squeeze Denver as much as possible and do it for a 5th, I could live with that. A 4th? Not to high on the idea. Once you get past the 4th round quality defenders are hard to find and defense is exactly what we need.

Ole Miss Texan
03-24-2009, 07:44 PM
Ooh, im gonna keep beating this drum! I think Hillis would be a perfect fit on this team. Stick him on the roster as our backup FB. He would technically be our 2nd RB though. He'd get the stats and make the probowl as a FB! Anyways back to my beat... trade our 3rd round pick for Peyton Hillis and Elvis Dumervil. :)

WolverineFan
03-24-2009, 07:58 PM
Ooh, im gonna keep beating this drum! I think Hillis would be a perfect fit on this team. Stick him on the roster as our backup FB. He would technically be our 2nd RB though. He'd get the stats and make the probowl as a FB! Anyways back to my beat... trade our 3rd round pick for Peyton Hillis and Elvis Dumervil. :)

That I could live with. We would (once again) lose an early round pick, but by getting 2 players at positions of need that would be a good deal. Don't really think the Broncos would be dumb enough to make that move though lol.

Lucky
03-24-2009, 08:23 PM
The Texans could have had Hillis for a 7th round pick, last year. Instead, they took the forgettable Alex Brink. A practice squad QB they had no intention of carrying on the roster. Hey! Maybe the Broncos will swap Hillis for Brink? :jk:

He wants to trade the QB, TE, and RBs. What exactly did Josh McDaniels like about the Broncos when he took the job?

bah007
03-24-2009, 08:46 PM
The Texans could have had Hillis for a 7th round pick, last year. Instead, they took the forgettable Alex Brink. A practice squad QB they had no intention of carrying on the roster. Hey! Maybe the Broncos will swap Hillis for Brink? :jk:

He wants to trade the QB, TE, and RBs. What exactly did Josh McDaniels like about the Broncos when he took the job?

Their money?

Specnatz
03-24-2009, 08:48 PM
Their money?

And that's the rest of the story.

Kaiser Toro
03-24-2009, 08:55 PM
What exactly did Josh McDaniels like about the Broncos when he took the job?

Retro uniforms and day dreams of Craig Morton to Rick Upchurch while sipping on Orange Crush.

mexican_texan
03-24-2009, 09:42 PM
The Texans could have had Hillis for a 7th round pick, last year. Instead, they took the forgettable Alex Brink. A practice squad QB they had no intention of carrying on the roster. Hey! Maybe the Broncos will swap Hillis for Brink? :jk:

He wants to trade the QB, TE, and RBs. What exactly did Josh McDaniels like about the Broncos when he took the job?

What did you expect out of a 7th round pick? Brink's a good project, Hillis isn't all that great.

Kaiser Toro
03-24-2009, 09:53 PM
Hillis isn't all that great.

There are three pages in this thread stating otherwise. Between you and me, I would send a 7th and Joe Texan for Hillis and the head of the Broncos mascot (just the mascot head). :texflag:

Lucky
03-24-2009, 10:34 PM
What did you expect out of a 7th round pick? Brink's a good project, Hillis isn't all that great.
Just joking around. If I really wanted to provoke the Sunshine Club, I'd mention that David Anderson was selected one pick prior to Marques Colston, back in the '06 7th round. Only to have a Sunshiner remind me that Colston's not that great, and David+Anderson=crazy delicious.

mexican_texan
03-25-2009, 12:03 AM
I think Cortland Finnegan was available to us in the 7th as well.

Texecutioner
03-25-2009, 12:13 PM
What did you expect out of a 7th round pick? Brink's a good project, Hillis isn't all that great.

No one said he was great, but you don't have one negative thing you can say about him while he has been on the field. He may not have been great, but he was VERY GOOD. Getting 5 TD's rushing in 3 and half games is damn good. A FB/HB that can get 116 off of 7 receptions in his first game of real playing time is GREAT!

Hillis is EXACTLY what the Texans need right now.

I seriously find it hilarious how ANYONE in here could scoff at a guy like Hillis after so many in here BEGGED and begged to get Benson over here when Hillis waaaaay out played Benson in Benson's first season, 2nd season, and 3rd season. And Hillis doesn't ahve the baggage, the arrests, or the poor attitude that Benson has always had. Some of you guys sure seem to get off to big name guys that have been over rated. Hillis just isn't a big name guy, but the guy is football player all the way.

HOU-TEX
03-25-2009, 12:32 PM
No one said he was great, but you don't have one negative thing you can say about him while he has been on the field. He may not have been great, but he was VERY GOOD. Getting 5 TD's rushing in 3 and half games is damn good. A FB/HB that can get 116 off of 7 receptions in his first game of real playing time is GREAT!

Hillis is EXACTLY what the Texans need right now.

I seriously find it hilarious how ANYONE in here could scoff at a guy like Hillis after so many in here BEGGED and begged to get Benson over here when Hillis waaaaay out played Benson in Benson's first season, 2nd season, and 3rd season. And Hillis doesn't ahve the baggage, the arrests, or the poor attitude that Benson has always had. Some of you guys sure seem to get off to big name guys that have been over rated. Hillis just isn't a big name guy, but the guy is football player all the way.

Just because some people don't think it would be worth a 4th is scoffing at the guy?

Get a grip, dude. People have differing opinions, it happens. There's no need to bag on people that don't share the same opinion as yourself.

Texecutioner
03-25-2009, 12:37 PM
Just because some people don't think it would be worth a 4th is scoffing at the guy?

Get a grip, dude. People have differing opinions, it happens. There's no need to bag on people that don't share the same opinion as yourself.

Not trying to bag on anyone Hou Tex. Sorry if it came out that way.

I just don't understand the whole love fest for Benson and how so many people wanted the guy when all the guy ever did was have a few good games at the end of last season out of 4 years and a ton of wasted money that Chicago gave him, while Hillis was a team guy that patiently waited his turn and really played well in his first season. Everyone talks about how this team needs a bruiser that can be counted on, and Hillis is totally that. The guy is good in the passing game as well unlike Benson. The Texans biggest problem on offense last season was red zone failures and this guy had nothing but Red Zone success. If we would have played all season long at the rate he played in those 3 and half games he would have had probably about 13 TD's or something like that. He is the kind of guy that could be a really solid player for any team for a long time.

WolverineFan
03-25-2009, 12:39 PM
Just because some people don't think it would be worth a 4th is scoffing at the guy?

Get a grip, dude. People have differing opinions, it happens. There's no need to bag on people that don't share the same opinion as yourself.

Exactly. The guy was a 7th round pick last year so I don't want to give up a 4th for him, especially when we have so many needs on defense. I would give up any pick after the 4th for him, but not anything before that because once you get past the 4th round quality defenders are just to high to find and defense is what we need.

Texecutioner
03-25-2009, 12:41 PM
Exactly. The guy was a 7th round pick last year so I don't want to give up a 4th for him, especially when we have so many needs on defense. I would give up any pick after the 4th for him, but not anything before that because once you get past the 4th round quality defenders are just to high to find and defense is what we need.

Where he was picked last season has absolutely no validity at all. Who cares where he was picked? That just means he was under the radar and it's no surprise when you consider the fact that he had to play behind Felix Jones and Mcfadden. Denver just got him for a bargain sleeper pick just like Slaton was in the 3rd round. What matters is if the guy is a good player or not. I'll take ten 8th round picks on my team any day of the weak over 15 first round draft picks if the ten 8th round picks are better productive players.

HOU-TEX
03-25-2009, 12:46 PM
Not trying to bag on anyone Hou Tex. Sorry if it came out that way.

I just don't understand the whole love fest for Benson and how so many people wanted the guy when all the guy ever did was have a few good games at the end of last season out of 4 years and a ton of wasted money that Chicago gave him, while Hillis was a team guy that patiently waited his turn and really played well in his first season. Everyone talks about how this team needs a bruiser that can be counted on, and Hillis is totally that. The guy is good in the passing game as well unlike Benson. The Texans biggest problem on offense last season was red zone failures and this guy had nothing but Red Zone success. If we would have played all season long at the rate he played in those 3 and half games he would have had probably about 13 TD's or something like that. He is the kind of guy that could be a really solid player for any team for a long time.

Cool. I dig everything you're saying about our needs at RB as well as our RZ issues, but I just find it hard to believe that he has improved his draft status by 3 rounds with only 68 carries.

I agree to disagree on this subject.

FWIW, I don't think I've ever been on the Benson bandwagon.

Texecutioner
03-25-2009, 12:57 PM
Cool. I dig everything you're saying about our needs at RB as well as our RZ issues, but I just find it hard to believe that he has improved his draft status by 3 rounds with only 68 carries.

I agree to disagree on this subject.

FWIW, I don't think I've ever been on the Benson bandwagon.

I wasn't talking about you personally with Benson, but a lot of folks have been watching him since last season and Benson has only had a few good games last season at the very end of the year out of 4 seasons.

Hillis may have only had 68 carries, but he did really well with those 68 carries and could be used at FB as well. I'd love the idea of having him and Slaton in at the same time and working the play action with both.

Hillis reminds me a little of Laron McClain except that he is better in the passing game, and that is what we need to pair with Slaton since Slaton is like a Westbrook type of runner.

WolverineFan
03-25-2009, 01:11 PM
Where he was picked last season has absolutely no validity at all. Who cares where he was picked? That just means he was under the radar and it's no surprise when you consider the fact that he had to play behind Felix Jones and Mcfadden. Denver just got him for a bargain sleeper pick just like Slaton was in the 3rd round. What matters is if the guy is a good player or not. I'll take ten 8th round picks on my team any day of the weak over 15 first round draft picks if the ten 8th round picks are better productive players.

Okay maybe not my best argument, but my point remains that the guy was a 7th round pick and played well but it was only 1 season. IMO he did not do enough in that 1 season to justify trading a 4th round pick for him, then again I have an all-defense mentality going into the draft and do not want to give up any picks in the first 4 rounds for an offensive player. Just my opinion, but if we drafted an offensive player in the first couple of rounds I would be upset. Once again, if we traded a 5th-7th for him I would be happy, but at this point in time I do not want to give up a 4th or higher for somebody with only 1 year of work.

El Tejano
03-25-2009, 01:33 PM
Cool. I dig everything you're saying about our needs at RB as well as our RZ issues, but I just find it hard to believe that he has improved his draft status by 3 rounds with only 68 carries.

I agree to disagree on this subject.

FWIW, I don't think I've ever been on the Benson bandwagon.

Not arguing with you but by this logic, If anyone offered us a draft pick for Slaton we could only be offered a 3rd or lower?
I tend to think that Slaton is 1st round material now.

WolverineFan
03-25-2009, 01:55 PM
Not arguing with you but by this logic, If anyone offered us a draft pick for Slaton we could only be offered a 3rd or lower?
I tend to think that Slaton is 1st round material now.

Use this logic instead.

Slaton finished with 282 carries (4.8 ypc) & 1,282 yds (6th in the NFL) and had 9 TD's (13th in the NFL) and he didn't even start until week 5. More than enough to make up for 2 rounds in the draft.

Hillis ran for 326 yds (5.0 ypc) & 5 TD's, but only had 68 carries. You're telling me that 68 carries of work is enough to improve a guy's value by 3 rounds? If he had a similar year again this year (with more work) then I would agree with you, but right now I would be very hesitant to give up anything above a 5th for him.

Texecutioner
03-25-2009, 01:55 PM
Not arguing with you but by this logic, If anyone offered us a draft pick for Slaton we could only be offered a 3rd or lower?
I tend to think that Slaton is 1st round material now.

Exactly. It doesn't matter where you were drafted at all. It's totally irrelevant. It matters if you can play or not. Give me an 8th round pick that can make plays over an over hyped 2nd or 3rd rounder any day.

Texecutioner
03-25-2009, 01:59 PM
Use this logic instead.

Slaton finished with 282 carries (4.8 ypc) & 1,282 yds (6th in the NFL) and had 9 TD's (13th in the NFL) and he didn't even start until week 5. More than enough to make up for 2 rounds in the draft.

Hillis ran for 326 yds (5.0 ypc) & 5 TD's, but only had 68 carries. You're telling me that 68 carries of work is enough to improve a guy's value by 3 rounds? If he had a similar year again this year (with more work) then I would agree with you, but right now I would be very hesitant to give up anything above a 5th for him.


This isn't a good example.

Slaton went to a team that had no RB's at all and we desperately needed someone to step in. Once he did he instantly became the starter and got to play all season long. Slaton got a bunch of opportunities from the start of the season.

Hillis didn't get an opportunity until after the half point of the season and did the same thing Slaton did for us and tore it up right away, but pulled his hammy like tons of NFL players do. You keep talking about 68 carries, but he also did real well in the passing game and had 116 yards in one game which was his first game in action off of 7 receptions.

WolverineFan
03-25-2009, 02:12 PM
This isn't a good example.

Slaton went to a team that had no RB's at all and we desperately needed someone to step in. Once he did he instantly became the starter and got to play all season long. Slaton got a bunch of opportunities from the start of the season.

Hillis didn't get an opportunity until after the half point of the season and did the same thing Slaton did for us and tore it up right away, but pulled his hammy like tons of NFL players do. You keep talking about 68 carries, but he also did real well in the passing game and had 116 yards in one game which was his first game in action off of 7 receptions.

Ok don't get me wrong, I like Hillis and would love to have him. I'm getting the feeling that you think I dislike him or something, but that's wrong. I would love to have him as our backup RB, I just don't want to overpay for him. When you're dealing with trading draft picks you always have to think about value and value-wise 68 carries is not enough a body of work to justify a swing of 3 rounds.

He could very well prove me wrong and I'd be fine with that. I'm only pointing out the fact that trading a 4th round pick for a 7th round player based on 68 carries is extremely risky. I would much rather trade a 5th and draft a defensive player with that pick because in my mind it's the better solution.

Texecutioner
03-25-2009, 05:31 PM
Ok don't get me wrong, I like Hillis and would love to have him. I'm getting the feeling that you think I dislike him or something, but that's wrong. I would love to have him as our backup RB, I just don't want to overpay for him. When you're dealing with trading draft picks you always have to think about value and value-wise 68 carries is not enough a body of work to justify a swing of 3 rounds.

He could very well prove me wrong and I'd be fine with that. I'm only pointing out the fact that trading a 4th round pick for a 7th round player based on 68 carries is extremely risky. I would much rather trade a 5th and draft a defensive player with that pick because in my mind it's the better solution.

I highly doubt that the Texans will go through all 4 rounds and NOT use a pick on a RB to back up Slaton. That is 5 picks as well, so you have to remember that we have two 4th round picks. I'd rather get a proven guy rather than a guy who could end up being a poor player and a waste of a pick.

HOU-TEX
03-25-2009, 05:42 PM
I highly doubt that the Texans will go through all 4 rounds and NOT use a pick on a RB to back up Slaton. That is 5 picks as well, so you have to remember that we have two 4th round picks. I'd rather get a proven guy rather than a guy who could end up being a poor player and a waste of a pick.

And 68 carries makes him a proven guy? :stirpot:

:spit:

Texecutioner
03-25-2009, 05:56 PM
And 68 carries makes him a proven guy? :stirpot:

:spit:

Yeah, I would surely say so when he played as well as he did. You keep throwing out the 68 carries references as if the 5 rushing TD's to go with it means nothing or the 116 yards recieving in his first game of playing time isn't part of the picture. How many RB's get 116 yards in their first game of real action? Not many.

HOU-TEX
03-25-2009, 06:01 PM
Yeah, I would surely say so when he played as well as he did. You keep throwing out the 68 carries references as if the 5 rushing TD's to go with it means nothing or the 116 yards recieving in his first game of playing time isn't part of the picture. How many RB's get 116 yards in their first game of real action? Not many.

You did see the smileys, right? I was messin with ya, dude.

I've already agreed to disagree with you. I guess I shouldn't have stirred the pot back up. Ha

Texecutioner
03-25-2009, 06:07 PM
You did see the smileys, right? I was messin with ya, dude.

I've already agreed to disagree with you. I guess I shouldn't have stirred the pot back up. Ha

Eh, keep stirring. It's the off season. We don't have anything else. lol:

I really want this guy to become a Texan though. I've been a fan of his since last season.

bah007
03-25-2009, 06:38 PM
I highly doubt that the Texans will go through all 4 rounds and NOT use a pick on a RB to back up Slaton. That is 5 picks as well, so you have to remember that we have two 4th round picks. I'd rather get a proven guy rather than a guy who could end up being a poor player and a waste of a pick.

I like Hillis. I think it would be great if we could get him.

But he is hardly a "proven" guy. Unless Vince Young is a "proven" guy because he won offensive rookie of the year in his first season.

Again. I like him. But he carried the ball in only six games and only saw significant action in three of them.

Three career games is the farthest thing from being a "proven" player in the NFL.

mexican_texan
03-25-2009, 07:33 PM
I like Hillis. I think it would be great if we could get him.

But he is hardly a "proven" guy. Unless Vince Young is a "proven" guy because he won offensive rookie of the year in his first season.

Again. I like him. But he carried the ball in only six games and only saw significant action in three of them.

Three career games is the farthest thing from being a "proven" player in the NFL.
Wali Lundy agrees.

The1ApplePie
03-25-2009, 09:25 PM
I don't Hillis would be on the block. Granted the Broncos will run the spread but you still need a goal line blocker and Hillis can catch as well

Mari-OWNED!
03-26-2009, 04:00 AM
What do you think about trading the 4th round pick we got from Minnesota for Sage Rosenfels to the Denver Broncos for Peyton Hillis?

It just hit me, and I think this would be a great idea. In Denver, McDaniels is getting rid of the ZBS and Hillis doesn't even seem like he'd be a starter over there anyways. (Maybe not even 2nd string)

I think Hillis could be the complement to Slaton that we're looking for. Plus Denver might be hurting for some draft picks if Cutler gets shipped out.

I dunno, but I would love to see Peyton Hillis in a Texans jersey.

What do you guys think?

Edit - Sorry guys just saw there was a thread already for this, so mods delete this if you want...

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59920

mussop
03-26-2009, 07:40 AM
I remember someone on this board was all over the Hillis train last year?

I can't remember who it was though? Beerlover maybe? Or Threetoedpete? I think it was one of them, or both.

I know I was.

Link (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/search.php?searchid=403827)
If you dont want to read through all the posts I made this one pretty much tells you how I felt. Link (http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49839&highlight=hillis&page=2)


Originally Posted by The Pencil Neck
Pick 6: I would have been more pleased if they had taken Darrell Robertson or Brian Johnston as a rush DE prospect opposite of Mario.

Pick 7: Peyton Hillis, FB. Someone convinced me during the draft day thread that Hillis could be an upgrade to our FB crew.

That could of been me. I was and still am really high on Peyton Hillis. I bet he blows it up in Denver. I beleive he will be a star in tis leauge.
I really liked every player we selected in this draft except the last 2. In the
6th round I would of been happy with any of the following players.

Geno Hayes Linebacker Florida State
Spencer Larsen Linebacker Arizona
Ahtyba Rubin Defensive tackle Iowa State
Brian Johnston Defensive end Gardner-Webb
Chauncey Washington Running back USC

In the 7th round I would of been happy with any of these guys.

Peyton Hillis Fullback Arkansas
Marcus Monk Wide receiver Arkansas
Kirk Barton Offensive tackle Ohio State
Mario Urrutia Wide receiver Louisville


My actual picks would of been
6th round Ahtyba Rubin Defensive tackle Iowa State
7th round Peyton Hillis Fullback Arkansas

I couldnt believe we passed on him late in the draft.

mexican_texan
03-26-2009, 12:05 PM
No way.

Hooston Texan
03-26-2009, 12:21 PM
What do you think about trading the 4th round pick we got from Minnesota for Sage Rosenfels to the Denver Broncos for Peyton Hillis?

It just hit me, and I think this would be a great idea. In Denver, McDaniels is getting rid of the ZBS and Hillis doesn't even seem like he'd be a starter over there anyways. (Maybe not even 2nd string)

I think Hillis could be the complement to Slaton that we're looking for. Plus Denver might be hurting for some draft picks if Cutler gets shipped out.

I dunno, but I would love to see Peyton Hillis in a Texans jersey.

What do you guys think?

Edit - Sorry guys just saw there was a thread already for this, so mods delete this if you want...

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59920

Welcome to the party, pal!

In any event, I agree we should do the deal. The fact that Hillis played well for the Ski-Slope-Texans last year shows he can play in a ZBS. RB is the one spot where we have a hole in our depth chart, and I would expect the Texans to have drafted one by the end of the fourth round. I think Hillis is better than the guys that will be available when Sage's pick comes up.

In the Chronicle this morning, Kubiak said this about getting an RB to play with Slaton: "The perfect complement is a bigger, more physical guy who’s good in short-yardage and goal-line situations." That's Hillis in a nutshell.

Go get that guy!

Texecutioner
03-26-2009, 01:10 PM
Welcome to the party, pal!

In any event, I agree we should do the deal. The fact that Hillis played well for the Ski-Slope-Texans last year shows he can play in a ZBS. RB is the one spot where we have a hole in our depth chart, and I would expect the Texans to have drafted one by the end of the fourth round. I think Hillis is better than the guys that will be available when Sage's pick comes up.

In the Chronicle this morning, Kubiak said this about getting an RB to play with Slaton: "The perfect complement is a bigger, more physical guy who’s good in short-yardage and goal-line situations." That's Hillis in a nutshell.

Go get that guy!

Hillis is exactly what Kubiak described. And he is really good in the passing game. He is a utility back all around.

El Tejano
04-05-2009, 01:02 AM
I'm watching the Denver vs SD game right now on NFL Network and this Hillis kid also plays some pretty good FB. He cleared a few lanes for Pittman and S. Young.

BTW, why are we not asking Pittman in for a visit? He's just been churning out 3rd and 1s.

Goldensilence
04-05-2009, 01:20 AM
Denver wanted Anderson......Hillis for Anderson straight up.

Other then that I wouldn't offer more then a 6th for Hillis.

Big Poundcake
04-05-2009, 01:57 AM
I'll trade next years 7th for SelvinMe too.

dalemurphy
04-05-2009, 02:01 AM
They're overloaded with RBs. Some of those guys are going to be cut. I doubt the Texans make any move until after the draft. If, after the draft, the Texans assess a RB need, perhaps they offer a late round pick for one of those guys. I'd be interested in Torain or Hillis if healthy for a 6th/7th round pick.

Mari-OWNED!
04-05-2009, 05:32 AM
BTW, why are we not asking Pittman in for a visit? He's just been churning out 3rd and 1s.

I think it's probably because he is 33 years old, and the Texans are tired of signing washed up running backs.

Lucky
04-05-2009, 09:02 AM
Denver wanted Anderson......Hillis for Anderson straight up.

Great suggestion. As a short yardage runner/backup FB, Hillis would provide a hellava lot more value to this team than Anderson does.

El Tejano
04-05-2009, 09:52 AM
I think it's probably because he is 33 years old, and the Texans are tired of signing washed up running backs.

I don't know if he's washed up though. He's basically been doing in Denver what he was doing in TB and Az. Getting tough yards and TDs at the goal line.

I don't believe there is a history of injury with this guy and he looked like he was feeling good in this game.

Maddict5
04-05-2009, 03:42 PM
Great suggestion. As a short yardage runner/backup FB, Hillis would provide a hellava lot more value to this team than Anderson does.

they have to cut 2-3 (2 probably) with the number they currently have & the fact theyve just signed 3 of them means that young, hillis & torain are at the head of the cut list. so why would we trade our slot receiver for no good reason apparently when denver will be lucky if they get anything other than a late 2nd day pick for them

otisbean
04-05-2009, 04:02 PM
I would certainly welcome Hillis. He would make an excellent compliment to Slaton, very Warrick Dunn/Mike Alstott like.