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HoustonFrog
03-23-2009, 12:16 PM
For what its worth

http://www.faniq.com/blog/2009-NFL-Wonderlic-Scores-Matt-Stafford-Impresses-Blog-20999

QBS

Stafford--38
Mark Sanchez--28
KJosh Freeman--27

WRS..10 says a person is literate

Wide receiving corps is especially stupid this year. Michael Crabtree of Texas Tech scored a 15, Darrius Heyward-Bey of Maryland scored a 14, and Percy Harvin of Florida scored a 12. Not real good. But don't worry, there was someone who was worse. Hakeem Nicks of UNC wowed everyone with an 11. A score of 10 suggests a person is literate

A few other fools include linebacker Rey Maualuga, who scored a 15, and O-lineman Andre Smith, who continued his epic draft stock slide by posting a 17.

Here are a few other scores for some of 2009's top prospects.

Arizona's Eben Britton - 31
Virginia's Eugene Monroe - 24
Baylor's Jason Smith - 23
Ole Miss's Michael Oher - 19
USC's Clay Matthews - 27
USC's Brian Cushing - 23
Michigan's Louis Delmas - 12

Goatcheese
03-23-2009, 03:48 PM
I saw an interview with Delmas where he didn't seem exceptionally stupid. Interesting that he got a 12 though. It may concern teams that run complex defensive schemes.

TheRealJoker
03-23-2009, 05:14 PM
Marino got a 13 on his wonderlic.

Delmas didn't do too well in the bench press (12 reps), didn't really standout at the combine, and has a low wonderlic score. Couple that with coaches and scouts being worried he wont be able to stay healthy the way he plays at his size and I hope that's enough to push him to our 2nd round pick. I'd enjoy having him learn from a solid vet like Wilson and be our long term answer at FS.

WolverineFan
03-23-2009, 05:20 PM
Jeremy Maclin was already my favorite WR in the draft before the test came out, but his 25 blows away all the other WR's scores. If we didn't have such pressing needs on the defensive side of the ball I would love for the Texans to nab him at 15, but as with all of our needs we shouldn't touch an offensive player until the 3rd round in this draft.

Specnatz
03-23-2009, 05:31 PM
Marino got a 13 on his wonderlic.

Delmas didn't do too well in the bench press (I think he couldn't break 10) and has a low wonderlic score. Couple that with coaches and scouts being worried he wont be able to stay healthy the way he plays at his size and I hope that's enough to push him to our 2nd round pick. I'd enjoy having him learn from a solid vet like Wilson and be our long term answer at FS.

At this point he is more of a 3rd rounder versus a 2nd.

TheRealJoker
03-23-2009, 05:40 PM
At this point he is more of a 3rd rounder versus a 2nd.

Would be an even better value there, similar to Winston's fall for his t-rex arms. All I know is that Delmas is a football player and looks like one of the top prospects in this draft on the film.

nunusguy
03-23-2009, 05:49 PM
Jeremy Maclin was already my favorite WR in the draft before the test came out, but his 25 blows away all the other WR's scores.

Sounds like you didn't know that people from Missouri are smart ?

WolverineFan
03-24-2009, 12:06 PM
Sounds like you didn't know that people from Missouri are smart ?

No I was just commenting on the fact that Maclin was my favorite WR in the draft before the Wonderlic test and he scored the highest of the WR's on the test by far. Never even mentioned anything about the intelligence of Missouri natives.

HOU-TEX
03-24-2009, 04:55 PM
For what its worth

http://www.faniq.com/blog/2009-NFL-Wonderlic-Scores-Matt-Stafford-Impresses-Blog-20999

QBS

Stafford--38
Mark Sanchez--28
KJosh Freeman--27

WRS..10 says a person is literate

Apparently Nicks is falling fast. They say he showed up 16 pounds heavier at his pro day. Damn!

One NFL scout opined that Hakeem Nicks has "got to have a weight problem" after he showed up heavy to North Carolina's Pro Day.

"He looked like a fat tight end not a lean receiver," the scout said. "This is the most important few months of his life and he gains a ton of weight. I donít get it. Many scouts and coaches went away very disappointed." Profootballtalk hears that Nicks was 16 pounds heavier than his 212-pound Combine measurement, but has already shed most of the extra weight.

http://www.rotoworld.com/Content/playernews.aspx?sport=NFL

YoungTexanFan
03-24-2009, 06:49 PM
Sounds like you didn't know that people from Missouri are smart ?

Nothing good comes from Missouri. Nothing.

Missouri: Where the men are lonely and the sheep are nervous.

bah007
03-24-2009, 08:00 PM
Nothing good comes from Missouri. Nothing.

Missouri: Where the men are lonely and the sheep are nervous.

I thought that was Texas A&M?...

TexansFan33
03-26-2009, 05:26 PM
Man wonderlic scores really dont mean anything to me. If you can play you can play. Sure there are coverages that are complex but the ability to read them can come through film study and practice. Am i wrong?

The Pencil Neck
03-26-2009, 05:44 PM
Man wonderlic scores really dont mean anything to me. If you can play you can play. Sure there are coverages that are complex but the ability to read them can come through film study and practice. Am i wrong?

If you're not very bright, then it's probably going to take more film study and more practice before you pick up those complex coverages... IF you ever do. If you've got a low Wonderlic, then there's a pretty good chance that you're not going to excel at learning the playbook or picking up new gameplans really being clear on what it is you're supposed to be doing in complex situations. If you run a scheme that requires smart players, then you're going to want to stay away from guys that ... well... aren't.

Ole Miss Texan
03-26-2009, 06:04 PM
The Wonderlic is just another tool and only a part of measuring the total prospect. By themselves, each drill/test is fairly useless: Wonderlic, 40 yard dash, high jump, broad jump, etc etc. The idea is to test these athletes in all ways possible and relate the data as a whole. No one event should define a prospect on its own.

At the end of the day, it is what's on the film that is the most important factor. If the guy can flat out play football... then he can play. But watching film doesn't always give you all the answers to the prospects. Each team will view these players in different ways and will be interested in their different strengths weaknesses. One team may bring a RB in for a private workout and stress pass blocking or their receiving skillset. Some of that does not always show up on film, depending on the offensive scheme/play calls. Each GM should be looking at these players as "how would they best help our team".

Wonderlic isn't everything and sometimes it's overrated. But take VY for example (again). Watching film on him during college was virtually useless. The playcalling and/or his improvising doesn't really translate to the NFL or what he will be asked to do in the pros. He was never really asked to run a pro style system, read the defenses and audible into various different play routes. He basically had a set number of "go to" plays that proved to be successful. In the NFL, you can't just have 2,3 or 5 different plays. It's a long season with smarter coaches, better/faster players... which can adapt quickly and they will stop the same play over and over. For the QB, the ability to buy into the system, read the playbook, KNOW the playbook, be able to run the offense and adapt to what the defense gives you is vital to the success of your team. A 6 wonderlic score was one indication, he may need some more time in understanding or developing into the NFL. Hate to bring it up but the way he beat us in overtime during '06 was college VY, he made that play. But the problem lies in, he's not going to be able to do that the entire season like he was in college. The flaws he has right now vastly outweigh his playmaking ability on the professional stage. Flaws become magnified.

76Texan
03-26-2009, 06:11 PM
If you're not very bright, then it's probably going to take more film study and more practice before you pick up those complex coverages... IF you ever do. If you've got a low Wonderlic, then there's a pretty good chance that you're not going to excel at learning the playbook or picking up new gameplans really being clear on what it is you're supposed to be doing in complex situations. If you run a scheme that requires smart players, then you're going to want to stay away from guys that ... well... aren't.

Hey, if we're going away from the read and react defense, then who needs the wonderlic score. Who needs the playbook, just go out there and get after 'em! http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

Ole Miss Texan
03-26-2009, 06:13 PM
Hey, if we're going away from the read and react defense, then who needs the wonderlic score. Who needs the playbook, just go out there and get after 'em! http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

We just need the waterboy. "You see the guy we the ball? Go tackle him."

76Texan
03-26-2009, 06:18 PM
We just need the waterboy. "You see the guy we the ball? Go tackle him."

Exactly!

BTW, I just dig up a copy of Tom Landry's boys that I've been trying to remember the hiding location. Pretty good book.

It mentioned that even after he had succesfully implemented the scheme with the Giants in the late 50s, early 60s (in one game, even limited Jim Brown and the Browns to 12 yd total); when he started with the Cowboys, he still had a hard time convincing the players about read and react in the 4-3 and the flex. Some took 3-4 years before buying into the system.

CloakNNNdagger
04-10-2009, 06:58 PM
For all you Wonderlic freaks, the Chicago Tribune (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-22-pompei-scout-mar22,0,7151782.story)reported some scores obtained by Dan Pompei.

Seems like Matthews and Cushing fared well compared to Maualuga.

pbat488
04-10-2009, 08:15 PM
For all you Wonderlic freaks, the Chicago Tribune (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-22-pompei-scout-mar22,0,7151782.story)reported some scores obtained by Dan Pompei.

Seems like Matthews and Cushing fared well compared to Maualuga.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59887

These scores have been public for a while now.

threetoedpete
04-11-2009, 11:53 AM
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59887

These scores have been public for a while now.

I noticed you didn't post Maualuga's....15.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-22-pompei-scout-mar22,0,7151782.story

Maualuga's score is slightly troubling...considering he will likely have to play in the middle and be responsible for the defensive calls.

awtysst
04-11-2009, 08:15 PM
The thing about the Wonderlic (as in any IQ test) is not just a person's intelligence but what they do with it. You could have a person with a very high IQ not amount to anything because of laziness and a lack of drive. On the other hand, you could have someone with an average IQ(or maybe a little lower) become a great success in lie because of their drive and hard work. So, when we look at IQ scores, its also important to know the person's work ethic.

And for the record, I have already disclosed my Wonderlic score on this board before, so I won't be doing it again.