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texanfan2002114
03-20-2009, 08:00 PM
From Espn Insider


After apparently rejecting one team's offer already, free agent safety Roy L. Williams will be visiting with the Cincinnati Bengals on Thursday, according to the Dallas Morning News. Williams' agent, Jordan Woy, indicates that two additional visits are on deck, but did not inform the paper of those two teams.
The Bengals could be a great fit for Williams for several reasons, including the fact that current Bengals defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer was the Dallas Cowboys' defensive coordinator from 2000 through 2006, the time that Williams blossomed from the team's first-round draft pick to a perennial Pro Bowler. Additionally, the Bengals had issues defending the run in 2008, finishing the season ranked 21st in the league, allowing 120.1 yards per game, and Williams is certainly an asset as an adept tackler in the box. The team also released strong safety Dexter Jackson, so Williams would compete just with Chinedum Ndukwe, Marvin White and Chris Crocker for playing time. In Marvin Lewis' defense, there is not as strict a division between free safety and strong safety, so both players have similar duties.

The Oakland Raiders are believed to be one of the other teams fishing for Williams, as they lost 2008 starter Gibril Wilson to free agency, and were one of the league's most porous defenses against the run. The Houston Texans are also believed to be in the hunt, as strong safety continues to be a glaring need on their roster. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers have the cap space to sign Roy, but the Tampa 2 defense requires the safeties to be excellent in pass coverage, which is a shortcoming of Williams' game, to put it kindly.

(mode note from ESPN insider)

mexican_texan
03-20-2009, 08:07 PM
Didn't we already cut Glenn Earl? How are you going to cut him and bring in Roy Williams?

Texans#1Fan
03-20-2009, 08:13 PM
Okay, I do not believe williams is the answer the Texans need. We need a safety who can defend against the run and pass. The Texans sure have not had a decent safety ever since we started in the league. They have confidence in Barber, but I don't know how he is going to do. They really haven't played this guy enough to get the experience needed. I think the Texans could use someone in the depth, but we should really look into the draft to get a defensive back. Hopefully Barber can get on track and win the starting role to see how he is going to do and for the future.

Texecutioner
03-20-2009, 08:40 PM
Why in the hell would we do something like this? I swear if we get one more Cowboys cast off I will literally go nuts.

I doubt this would be to serious though. Anything more than league minimum for Roy Williams at this point would be to much. He clearly can't defend in coverage and is not near the smash artist he was when he first came into the league. The Cowboys clearly got screwed and bamboozled by the guy because he was really good when he first got there and then turned into pumpkin after that fat contract. Don't want any part of this guy.

Dapper
03-20-2009, 08:42 PM
If here is there @ 15 I don't see how we can pass on Malcom Jenkins. Could be insurance for next year with d-rob's situation

Goatcheese
03-20-2009, 09:00 PM
If he's willing to come in for the right price, and play a situational / backup role, then I'm ok with it. If he thinks he's a starter then I'll pass.

dsorc
03-20-2009, 09:10 PM
This is a non-story. The writer is putting two and two together without thinking. Roy Williams is a SS, the Texans need a SS, therefore, acording to the writer, we could be interested. It means nothing.

Texans34Life
03-20-2009, 09:19 PM
texanfan, where's the source of this? I can't find it on PFT, National Football Post, etc.

ArlingtonTexan
03-20-2009, 09:27 PM
After apparently rejecting one team's offer already, free agent safety Roy L. Williams will be visiting with the Cincinnati Bengals on Thursday, according to the Dallas Morning News. Williams' agent, Jordan Woy, indicates that two additional visits are on deck, but did not inform the paper of those two teams.
The Bengals could be a great fit for Williams for several reasons, including the fact that current Bengals defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer was the Dallas Cowboys' defensive coordinator from 2000 through 2006, the time that Williams blossomed from the team's first-round draft pick to a perennial Pro Bowler. Additionally, the Bengals had issues defending the run in 2008, finishing the season ranked 21st in the league, allowing 120.1 yards per game, and Williams is certainly an asset as an adept tackler in the box. The team also released strong safety Dexter Jackson, so Williams would compete just with Chinedum Ndukwe, Marvin White and Chris Crocker for playing time. In Marvin Lewis' defense, there is not as strict a division between free safety and strong safety, so both players have similar duties.

The Oakland Raiders are believed to be one of the other teams fishing for Williams, as they lost 2008 starter Gibril Wilson to free agency, and were one of the league's most porous defenses against the run. The Houston Texans are also believed to be in the hunt, as strong safety continues to be a glaring need on their roster. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers have the cap space to sign Roy, but the Tampa 2 defense requires the safeties to be excellent in pass coverage, which is a shortcoming of Williams' game, to put it kindly.

Give either the URL or site on this, as did not see anything from Dallasnews.com when I went there.

On the idea: Roy Williams is a player that has to be used in very specific ways to be successful. If he is allowed to either attack or roam w/o minimal coverage responsibilities, he can still provide a physical presence and make plays. For him to work the defensive coordinator is going have to be creative. Not a complete player, but one in the correcrt system can matter.

texanfan2002114
03-20-2009, 09:34 PM
I ask the mods not to take this link down. I found this article on espn insider. I have never posted fake information and I thought that I wouldn't have to provide a link but I guess my word wasn't good enough.

The reason why I didn't provide the link was because the mods pull the links if the info was pulled of the espn insiders site.

So anybody else with espn insider ability can confirm that I got this info from the rumors link, I would be very thankful.

Texecutioner
03-20-2009, 09:38 PM
I ask the mods not to take this link down. I found this article on espn insider. I have never posted fake information and I thought that I wouldn't have to provide a link but I guess my word wasn't good enough.

The reason why I didn't provide the link was because the mods pull the links if the info was pulled of the espn insiders site.

So anybody else with espn insider ability can confirm that I got this info from the rumors link, I would be very thankful.

Well I heard about this, this morning on the sports radio show and was petty surprised. I know that you're not making this up out of thin air. I doubt we ever sign this guy though.

ArlingtonTexan
03-20-2009, 09:45 PM
I ask the mods not to take this link down. I found this article on espn insider. I have never posted fake information and I thought that I wouldn't have to provide a link but I guess my word wasn't good enough.

The reason why I didn't provide the link was because the mods pull the links if the info was pulled of the espn insiders site.

So anybody else with espn insider ability can confirm that I got this info from the rumors link, I would be very thankful.

Just need to have a note that it is from ESPN insider, not looking to close it.

Ckw
03-21-2009, 01:44 AM
I just confirmed it. I am an ESPN Insider, and it does mention the Texans as a possible destination.

threetoedpete
03-21-2009, 02:45 AM
If he's willing to come in for the right price, and play a situational / backup role, then I'm ok with it. If he thinks he's a starter then I'll pass.

You're kidding correct ? Y'all went ballistic over Petie giving up big plays. This guy can't cover....so unless you're bringing him as a will canidate....waisted time space and money....no matter how low you're paying him. You take this guy gotta cut someone in September....who's that going to be ?

ESPN guys guessing what the Texans are going to do because they don't cover us during the season. Either Kubiak is lying or they really do like the Safeties they have. The cowboys let him walk for a reason...his money was way too high for what he brought to the table...a one demnsional enforcer who's greatest and best tool was outlawed by the league. the horse collar tackle.

And what I get so far this off season....is no one is going to over pay for some one they already know can not upgrade the roster....not just the Texans...everyone.

WesmanTexanfan
03-21-2009, 02:49 AM
I'd rather start Barber...

Goatcheese
03-21-2009, 03:21 AM
You're kidding correct ? Y'all went ballistic over Petie giving up big plays. This guy can't cover....so unless you're bringing him as a will canidate....waisted time space and money....no matter how low you're paying him. You take this guy gotta cut someone in September....who's that going to be ?

ESPN guys guessing what the Texans are going to do because they don't cover us during the season. Either Kubiak is lying or they really do like the Safeties they have. The cowboys let him walk for a reason...his money was way too high for what he brought to the table...a one demnsional enforcer who's greatest and best tool was outlawed by the league. the horse collar tackle.

And what I get so far this off season....is no one is going to over pay for some one they already know can not upgrade the roster....not just the Texans...everyone.

Which is why I said I'd only be interested in him as a situational or backup player, with a salary commensurate with that role.

:mcnugget:

threetoedpete
03-21-2009, 03:30 AM
Which is why I said I'd only be interested in him as a situational or backup player, with a salary commensurate with that role.

:mcnugget:

And what I posted was a simple question....who ya gonna cut in September to keep him ? And as always with you ....I'm still waiting. My point is there isn't a bottom low enough for the guy to bring in and waiste our time bringing him in. He cannot cover. Just another dog under the porch who can not hunt. I believe the roster is good enough now we don't need to do this any more.

Hardcore Texan
03-21-2009, 11:44 AM
I ask the mods not to take this link down. I found this article on espn insider. I have never posted fake information and I thought that I wouldn't have to provide a link but I guess my word wasn't good enough.

The reason why I didn't provide the link was because the mods pull the links if the info was pulled of the espn insiders site.

So anybody else with espn insider ability can confirm that I got this info from the rumors link, I would be very thankful.

Your word is definitely good enough for me bro, without a doubt.

nunusguy
03-21-2009, 11:58 AM
Williams was a tweener SS/LB coming into the pros who went the wrong way, playing as a safety instead of LB. If the Texans are really interested in Williams I hope it's at the position he should have been playing all along ?

RTP2110
03-21-2009, 12:55 PM
If we want someone to stay back there and get burned deep all day, we can just put Faggins at Safety

The Pencil Neck
03-21-2009, 03:02 PM
If we want someone to stay back there and get burned deep all day, we can just put Faggins at Safety

Not any more.

:kingkong:

False Start
03-21-2009, 03:28 PM
Maybe he just needs a change of scenery...... yeah that's it. :ok: :heh:

Goatcheese
03-21-2009, 06:00 PM
And what I posted was a simple question....who ya gonna cut in September to keep him ? And as always with you ....I'm still waiting. My point is there isn't a bottom low enough for the guy to bring in and waiste our time bringing him in. He cannot cover. Just another dog under the porch who can not hunt. I believe the roster is good enough now we don't need to do this any more.

Always waiting on little old me? I'm touched.

Who would we release off of our historicaly bad defense to have Roy Williams as a backup/ short yardage SS?

Who ever he can beat out in preseason would seem to be the obvious answer. If he can't win a spot, then nobody.

TimeKiller
03-21-2009, 06:03 PM
Kubiak likes players that are versatile, not players that barely cover 1 position.

The1ApplePie
03-21-2009, 06:51 PM
Put him on kick-off and punt teams and watch bodies fly. Would be really good on the goal line as well

Not sure about him as a starter though

kiwitexansfan
03-21-2009, 09:06 PM
I have a policy that dependent on cost any player is worth bringing in to see how they fit.

Williams has deficiencies in his game, all players do but he also has some real strengths...... I guess the question is whether the coaches are good enough to emphasise the positives and eliminate the negatives.

infantrycak
03-22-2009, 09:00 AM
I ask the mods not to take this link down. I found this article on espn insider. I have never posted fake information and I thought that I wouldn't have to provide a link but I guess my word wasn't good enough.

The reason why I didn't provide the link was because the mods pull the links if the info was pulled of the espn insiders site.

So anybody else with espn insider ability can confirm that I got this info from the rumors link, I would be very thankful.

It has nothing to do with trusting your word. It is about making sure Hookem and the site don't get into trouble. Copyrighted material needs to be linked. We cannot do that for pay services. All you need to do next time is say, "I subscribe to insider and they are reporting we may be interested in Roy Williams." Don't cut and paste from pay sites because they cannot be linked, but you can relate the information in your own words--which is actually the opposite of not trusting you.

Kaiser Toro
03-22-2009, 10:06 AM
I was hoping we would talk to him. The prospect of him lining up as an LB or an extra secondary player would be interesting as he could always wrap and tackle, and have only seen his coverage issues being more-so in deep, open space than a ten yard domain of chaos.

Hottoddie
03-22-2009, 11:12 AM
I was hoping we would talk to him. The prospect of him lining up as an LB or an extra secondary player would be interesting as he could always wrap and tackle, and have only seen his coverage issues being more-so in deep, open space than a ten yard domain of chaos.

I also would like to see the Texans make a run at him. I've always believed that we've needed an intimidator over the middle. If Roy is used inside the box, he wouldn't be as much of a liability in coverage & could unload on the TE's & RB's coming across the middle. This could lead to more fumbles & tipped passes, not to mention adding more support for stopping the running game.

With the new & more aggressive defense putting more pressure on the QB, that should force the opposition to look for more short dumpoffs to the RB's. I say we take a good, long look at him.

PHAROAH
03-22-2009, 12:32 PM
I think that Roy started having issues when they went from the 4-3 blitzing scheme to the 3-4 Zone defense which isn't his best fit. I would love to have the 28 year old 5 time pro-bowl safety in our backfield. This guy puts fear into WR's coming across the middle we don't have a presence on the back side of the secondary.

Texan4Ever
03-22-2009, 01:04 PM
Is there nayway we can get the guy to slim down for us and learn how to cover. I don't see how he absolutly can't cover, with a bit of coaching I think he would be agreat addittion as a DB if not at least a WLB.

El Tejano
03-22-2009, 02:56 PM
Has Roy Williams ever played in a 4-3 defense? From what I recall, he played well when Dallas was not running a 3-4.

CloakNNNdagger
03-22-2009, 04:50 PM
This piece (http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/05/ellis-roy-doesnt-think-defense-fits-him.html)may shed some light on Williams and the 3-4.

Roy Williams Says He Doesn’t Fit The Phillips 3-4 Defense
Published May 8, 2008

Cowboys Pro Bowl safety Roy Williams doesn’t like playing in the 3-4 defense. At least that is what Cowboys linebacker Greg Ellis told Sirius NFL Radio.

The Dallas Morning News Cowboys blog is all over this story.

“Greg Ellis made some pretty interesting statements about Roy Williams during an appearance on Sirius NFL Radio this afternoon. Ellis said that Williams doesn’t feel like he fits in Wade Phillips’ scheme and has been isolating himself from teammates.

Ellis said Williams first expressed concerns about the Phillips 3-4 during training camp in San Antonio.

“He said, ‘Greg, this defense does not fit me. I don’t fit in well with this defense at all,’” Ellis said. “So when he told me that, I was like, ‘Well, man, it’s still new. Get used to it and it’ll probably be fine for you.’” And obviously I think it came to be true. Just like he said, he doesn’t fit what’s going on here in Dallas right now.

“Now maybe this year, if they decide to keep him for this season, Wade and them will kind of adjust some things to fit him better.”

TEXANRED
03-22-2009, 04:54 PM
I hope we make a run at him at well. If SS could cover they would be called FS. He would bolster our poor run defense.

Roy rates up there with Chuck Cecil, Steve Atwater, John Lynch, Rodney Harrison, and Bob Sanders.

PHAROAH
03-22-2009, 05:21 PM
I hope we make a run at him at well. If SS could cover they would be called FS. He would bolster our poor run defense.

Roy rates up there with Chuck Cecil, Steve Atwater, John Lynch, Rodney Harrison, and Bob Sanders.I agree with your assesment.

ObsiWan
03-22-2009, 06:20 PM
I hope we make a run at him at well. If SS could cover they would be called FS. He would bolster our poor run defense.

Roy rates up there with Chuck Cecil, Steve Atwater, John Lynch, Rodney Harrison, and Bob Sanders.

I'll agree he hits and bring a bit of "attitude" like those guys you listed but none of those guys could really cover either if you think about it. And we have enough guys with suspect cover skills already.

...not to mention that I'd rather not have him keeping the other guys on the field with horse-collar penalties 2-3 times per game.

GP
03-22-2009, 06:36 PM
This is a non-story. The writer is putting two and two together without thinking. Roy Williams is a SS, the Texans need a SS, therefore, acording to the writer, we could be interested. It means nothing.

Bingo.

If we have a need, and a guy is available, we automatically are on the "Texans are also rumored to have an interest" list.

Also, I can't believe he's only 28. Does anybody else think the guy is like, 34 or something?

ObsiWan
03-22-2009, 06:45 PM
Bingo.

If we have a need, and a guy is available, we automatically are on the "Texans are also rumored to have an interest" list.

Also, I can't believe he's only 28. Does anybody else think the guy is like, 34 or something?

yeah, when I saw that he was 28, I was surprised too

CloakNNNdagger
03-22-2009, 08:26 PM
Just a little background for those not familiar with Williams' history. Owens came into the league in 2002. During the 2004 season, the league reviewed a number of horsecollar tackles which led to lower extremity injuries. It was felt that Williams had caused 4 significant lplayer injuries. By the end of the season, Williams was responsible for "The Roy Williams Rule" (the horsecollar rule) being voted in by the competition committee. Jerry Jones was the only owner to vote against it, even after it was rewritten twice. In 2006, he only got called for it once. But in 2007, he was nailed for his own rule 3 times, one on Desmond Clark, the second on Donavon McNabb, and the third on Terrell owens. Owens tore up his knee ligaments and sustained a fibula fracture

For a complete review (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3060841)up until 2007, not including the 3rd Terrell Owens injury.

ObsiWan
03-22-2009, 08:39 PM
Seems like Williams was called for that more than once this season also. I don't know how or where one could search for such a stat, but I know I saw it at least twice in 2008.

...and I don't watch that many cowboy games

ChampionTexan
03-22-2009, 09:30 PM
Just a little background for those not familiar with Williams' history. Owens came into the league in 2002. During the 2004 season, the league reviewed a number of horsecollar tackles which led to lower extremity injuries. It was felt that Williams had caused 4 significant lplayer injuries. By the end of the season, Williams was responsible for "The Roy Williams Rule" (the horsecollar rule) being voted in by the competition committee. Jerry Jones was the only owner to vote against it, even after it was rewritten twice. In 2006, he only got called for it once. But in 2007, he was nailed for his own rule 3 times, one on Desmond Clark, the second on Donavon McNabb, and the third on Terrell owens. Owens tore up his knee ligaments and sustained a fibula fracture

For a complete review (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3060841)up until 2007, not including the 3rd Terrell Owens injury.

Little bit of a mixup here. In 2007, Williams and Owens were both on the Cowboys. In fact the tackle that injured Owens happened during the 2004 season - prior to the NFL adopting the rule - and was one of the major reasons they put it in starting with the 2005 season.

Seems like Williams was called for that more than once this season also. I don't know how or where one could search for such a stat, but I know I saw it at least twice in 2008.

...and I don't watch that many cowboy games

Well, he only started 2 games, and was active for a third prior to having his season end due to injury. Think of it this way - During the '08 season Roy had one horsecollar penalty for every six tackles he made.

WWJD
03-22-2009, 09:36 PM
Hope it works out for Roy wherever he ends up.

I think his ability is scary good. Just needs to be in the right spot.

El Tejano
03-22-2009, 10:48 PM
Which would he be considered? High risk, low reward or low risk, high reward?

The Pencil Neck
03-23-2009, 12:58 AM
Which would he be considered? High risk, low reward or low risk, high reward?

I vote for the High Risk, Low Reward.

HoustonFrog
03-23-2009, 08:55 AM
Hope it works out for Roy wherever he ends up.

I think his ability is scary good. Just needs to be in the right spot.

Agree. I was always stunned by his coverage lapses because at OU I considered the guy a superman that could do anything. I was pumped when the Cowboys got him. I just think they never could find the right scheme for his skills. He got beat so often deep it was scary. I think he will go to the Bengals under his old coach but who knows.

CloakNNNdagger
03-23-2009, 09:24 AM
Little bit of a mixup here. In 2007, Williams and Owens were both on the Cowboys. In fact the tackle that injured Owens happened during the 2004 season - prior to the NFL adopting the rule - and was one of the major reasons they put it in starting with the 2005 season.

Thanks for the catching that.

Blake
03-23-2009, 09:44 AM
I guess I dont understand what the Texans would do with him. Isnt the book on him that he is slow, and basically a liability against the pass?

And I dont want to hear this put him at linebacker talk. We already have players for that. They're called linebackers.

WWJD
03-23-2009, 09:59 AM
Agree. I was always stunned by his coverage lapses because at OU I considered the guy a superman that could do anything. I was pumped when the Cowboys got him. I just think they never could find the right scheme for his skills. He got beat so often deep it was scary. I think he will go to the Bengals under his old coach but who knows.

Yea..that is what my Cowboys board is saying..Cincy.

Don't know what the delay is. Maybe he's changing his mind? I also read something on there a few weeks ago that I had never heard...and that is that Roy has been a locker room problem. Never heard that; never knew that.

HoustonFrog
03-23-2009, 10:07 AM
Yea..that is what my Cowboys board is saying..Cincy.

Don't know what the delay is. Maybe he's changing his mind? I also read something on there a few weeks ago that I had never heard...and that is that Roy has been a locker room problem. Never heard that; never knew that.

I'm not sure if he has been a locker room problem but I think he has been blunt about his assessments of the team and maybe they don't like that. Here is a blog post about what he has said..not much to dispute really. Most I agree on.

http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/02/safety-roy-williams-speaks-his-mind.html

Safety Roy Williams, who hasn't talked to the media in months, broke his silence by sitting down for an interview with NBC 5's Newy Scruggs.

Newy gave me a briefing about the interview, which will air during Out of Bounds (10:30 p.m. Sunday). Here are some of the highlights:

*Williams believes he's a better fit for a 4-3 scheme than a 3-4, which happens to be what the Cowboys use.

*Williams thinks the Cowboys miss the firm hand of Bill Parcells.

*He's willing to move to linebacker if that's what the Cowboys want him to do.

*Williams thinks too many Cowboys talk too much.

*He believes that T.O. creates distractions by consistently being in the middle of controversies.

WWJD
03-23-2009, 10:13 AM
Thanks Frog for that info..I have seen Roy on Christian programs but of course he didn't discuss football much.

Can't say I disagree with him about anything. Too much stupid talk..not enough good football from those goofballs.

Polo
03-23-2009, 10:27 AM
I think Roy would play better in a 4-3 as well. I think it'd give him more room to operate.

Not sure what kind of Linebacker he'd be though...

Blake
03-23-2009, 10:30 AM
http://www.tiricosuave.com/images/horsecollar.jpg

WWJD
03-23-2009, 10:54 AM
I think Roy would play better in a 4-3 as well. I think it'd give him more room to operate.

Not sure what kind of Linebacker he'd be though...

What kind of defense did OU play? THAT would be the defense that he would thrive in..he was an outstanding player in college.

Mr teX
03-23-2009, 11:09 AM
Beef him up & let him play Sam lb so we don't have to draft one....

CloakNNNdagger
03-23-2009, 12:22 PM
What kind of defense did OU play? THAT would be the defense that he would thrive in..he was an outstanding player in college.


Stoops took over the OU football program in 1999. Williams played in his defensive scheme throughout his college career. Stoops ran a 4-3 defense exclusively.........a defense in which Williams earned the nickname "Superman."

TEXANRED
03-23-2009, 12:31 PM
Roy Williams didn't just all of the sudden become bad. How many times has he been to the pro-bowl?

He is only 28 with lots of tread left on the tire.

I hate the Cowboys but I have always been a big Roy Williams fan. But then again I am a fan of guys who make receivers and RB's fear the middle of the field.

At the very least bring him in for a conversation. What could that hurt.

Mr teX
03-23-2009, 12:37 PM
His greatest strength is his greatest weakness...aggression. Has been since he was in college, everyone was just willing to overlook it b/c he's a great tackler. The NFL exposes you like that. If he backs off on his aggression just a little bit, he could be solid for any ball club.

GP
03-23-2009, 01:44 PM
If we had PacMan and Dunta as our CBs...and put Roy Williams in at Strong Safety, I think we could put Fred Bennett in at Free Safety and draft LB in the first round. Switch out Jacques Reeves at either CB spot when necessary, or put him in as a nickel back. Williams and Bennett could easily support PacMan and Dunta.

(A) That would give us a competent secondary, IMO.

(B) It would give us a shot at helping DeMeco by adding a Round 1 linebacker who can help him out.

(C) And our D-line looks better just by the fact that Bush is the d-coord, and including the subtraction of Weaver and the additions of two more fresh faces (Antonio Smith and Shaun Cody).

We need veteran secondary help. I don't want to trot a rookie out there, and our second-year DBs are question marks, as well.

There are two "quality" secondary players out on the market, from the same team (PacMan and Williams). I don't doubt that both of them are just in need of a different defensive philosophy. And both those guys could give our defense a swagger and "tone" that it desperately needs. It's the sort of deal that might entice Dunta to stick around for more than just this season. IMO, Dunta is carrying that defense with his personality and confidence. Add two more guys to the mix, one guy who is just angry about the direction of the Cowboys, and the other guy who wants a shot at redemption...that's a possible chemistry that gets a defense (and a team) to the next level. Then you draft BPA all draft long, baby.

WWJD
03-23-2009, 01:53 PM
If we had PacMan and Dunta as our CBs...and put Roy Williams in at Strong Safety, I think we could put Fred Bennett in at Free Safety and draft LB in the first round. Switch out Jacques Reeves at either CB spot when necessary, or put him in as a nickel back. Williams and Bennett could easily support PacMan and Dunta.

(A) That would give us a competent secondary, IMO.

(B) It would give us a shot at helping DeMeco by adding a Round 1 linebacker who can help him out.

(C) And our D-line looks better just by the fact that Bush is the d-coord, and including the subtraction of Weaver and the additions of two more fresh faces (Antonio Smith and Shaun Cody).

We need veteran secondary help. I don't want to trot a rookie out there, and our second-year DBs are question marks, as well.

There are two "quality" secondary players out on the market, from the same team (PacMan and Williams). I don't doubt that both of them are just in need of a different defensive philosophy. And both those guys could give our defense a swagger and "tone" that it desperately needs. It's the sort of deal that might entice Dunta to stick around for more than just this season. IMO, Dunta is carrying that defense with his personality and confidence. Add two more guys to the mix, one guy who is just angry about the direction of the Cowboys, and the other guy who wants a shot at redemption...that's a possible chemistry that gets a defense (and a team) to the next level. Then you draft BPA all draft long, baby.

Uh ok..but you know that Coach Kubiak and Mr. McNair would never entertain the thought of signing Jones.

Jones was let go because even the Cowboys couldn't handle all his issues...it had nothing to do with the defensive philosophy. I don't think he played particularly well anyway and he was never a difference maker as far as I saw.

GP
03-23-2009, 02:00 PM
Uh ok..but you know that Coach Kubiak and Mr. McNair would never entertain the thought of signing Jones.

Jones was let go because even the Cowboys couldn't handle all his issues...it had nothing to do with the defensive philosophy. I don't think he played particularly well anyway and he was never a difference maker as far as I saw.

Because he was (a) not through trying to avoid the fact that he's screwed, and (b) could have been in a bad defense all year long, and (c) is ready to regain what he lost. A guy who was as good as PacMan was, in his first few seasons, can find it again. If he wants to.

I think it's funny that Roy Williams was mis-cast on the Dallas D, but we don't talk about how that might be the case for quite a few other players on that defense. Outside of Dallas' dline, what did the Wade Phillips 3-4 do well?

Frog is a Cowboys fan, maybe he can share his thoughts. I just think a lot of people have a PacMan bias because they think he can never ever redeem himself. That's a shame. I happen to believe that a person can redeem himself, especially if he's at the end of second chances.

Judging by the Glazer article, PacMan is trying to find someone who will give him that shot. Isn't that when you want to catch players like that? When they need a shot to say "I knew I could do it!"?

Williams AND PacMan fit that model, IMO, even if for different reasons.

WWJD
03-23-2009, 02:16 PM
Well I'm speaking as a Cowboys fan as well but yea I'd love to hear what Frog thinks..

I don't see any upside to Jones at all...I thought he totally bombed out in Dallas when he had the golden chance to redeem himself..he did nothing except get himself in trouble again. If ANYBODY in the NFL will give guys a chance for redemption it's Jerry..didn't work then and there and I don't think it'll work anywhere else.


I wish the guy well but time to move on from football. It just isn't working for him. And it's certainly not working for the people paying him millions.

Polo
03-23-2009, 02:18 PM
Pretty well established that Pac Man is a Dumb Man.

I'll pass on that Dumb Ass.