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beerlover
03-14-2009, 12:41 PM
1st rd. picks based on team needs & all data post combine

1. DET - QB Matthew Safford (two 1st rd. picks gives them options)
2. STL - OT Jason Smith (stronger than Monore)
3. K.C. - OLB Aaron Curry (impact defensive foundation piece to build around)
4. SEA - OT Eugene Monore (finish re-tooling OL)
5. CLE - NT B.J. Raji (Shawn Rogers wants out)
6. CIN - OT Andre Smith (Bengals not as concerned about character, need protection for Palmer)
7. OAK - WR Michael Crabtree (Al Davis track record)
8. JAC - OT Michael Oher (LT huge need)
9. GB - DE/OLB Brain Orakpo (switching defensive schemes)
10. SF - QB Mark Sanchez (made trade out to a team who needs a QB)
11. BUF - DE/OLB Evertte Brown (replace Crowell, Schobel coming off injury)
12. DEN - RB Knowshon Moreno (never replaced Portis)
13. WAS - OT Eben Britton (makings of a Hog)
14. N.O. - CB Malcolm Jenkins (secondary need)
15. HOU - CB Darius Butler (stock soaring, pure cover corner)
16. S.D. - ILB Rey Mauluga (3-4 ILB)
17. NYJ - WR Jeremy Maclin (fills void left by Laverneus Coles)
18. CHI - WR Darius Heyward-Bey (outstanding combine)
19. TB - DT Peria Jerry (address defensive interior need)
20. DET - LB Brian Cushing (complement to Ernie Sims)
21. PHI - RB - Chris "Beanie" Wells (power back to split carries with Westbrook).
22. MIN - WR - Percy Harvin (explosive offensive weapon in mold of last years rookie sensation DeSean Jackson).
23. NE - ILB James Laurinatis (pair with Mayo)
24. ATL - TE Brandon Pettigrew (his blocking ability gives him the edge)
25. MIA - CB Vonte Davis (address secondary)
26. BAL - WR Hakeem Nicks (gives Flacco #1 target)
27. IND - WR Brian Robiskie (great combine, smart fills need)
28. PHI - OC/OG Max Unger (solidfies OL can play mutliple positions)
29. NYG - WR Kenny Britt (local product well known in area)
30. TEN - DE/OLB Aaron Maybin (Fisher mold developmental w/upside)
31. ARI - RB Donald Brown (feature #1 back)
32. PIT - CB Alphonso Smith (knarley, intense, instinctive Steeler mold)

2nd rd. picks to Texans selection

33. DET - OT William Beatty (Staffords franchise LT, great value here)
34. NE (VIA KC) - CB/S Sean Smith (Harrison not getting younger)
35. STL - CB D.J. Moore (had no idea went with WolverineFan selection in member mock draft II, hope he knows what he's talking about?)
36. CLE - OLB Larry English (intimadator, productive edge rusher)
37. SEA - DE Tyson Jackson (need to address DL early as well as OL)
38. CIN - DE Robert Ayers (moving up draft boards)
39. JAC - DT Evander Hood (4-3 DT to replace Rob Meier)
40. OAK - OT Jamon Meredith (smart, good value @ need position)
41. GB - NT Ron Brace (once again changing scheme to 3-4 need that nose)
42. BUF - OG Duke Robinson (released Derrick Dockery)
43. SF - OLB Clint Sintim (fits 3-4 Singletary can't resist)
44. MIA - OC Alex Mack (Parcells building the trenches)
45. NYJ (VIA NO) - CB Coye Francies (lean athletic build they can afford to develop)
46. HOU - LB Clay Matthews (impressive combine, stock rising - adds pass rush)

pbat488
03-14-2009, 01:05 PM
No way Houston North selects Moreno at 12... they made Peyton Hillis look good, they can do with pretty much any back. Also, don't think Matthews is going to fall all the way to our second round pick, though it would be nice.

Specnatz
03-14-2009, 01:08 PM
No way Houston North selects Moreno at 12... they made Peyton Hillis look good, they can do with pretty much any back. Also, don't think Matthews is going to fall all the way to our second round pick, though it would be nice.

You forget it is No Longer Houston North but it is now New England West.

DiehardChris
03-14-2009, 01:23 PM
I don't see how Clay Matthews' stock can simultaneously be continuing to rise AND he will last to 46. Not possible.

In fact, I'm almost certain he'll get picked before Cushing... probably before 15. Houston's not the only fanbase and team who is thought to be interested in him.

I think there's a very good chance that 1 - he won't be there at 15, and 2 - if he is, the Texans won't be able to trade down and still get him. It's not like us fans are making the hype up - his stock is soaring - and he hasn't even had his pro day yet.

The Pencil Neck
03-14-2009, 01:48 PM
No way Houston North selects Moreno at 12... they made Peyton Hillis look good, they can do with pretty much any back. Also, don't think Matthews is going to fall all the way to our second round pick, though it would be nice.

New coaches, new offense.

TimeKiller
03-14-2009, 01:54 PM
boo!!!!

beerlover
03-14-2009, 01:56 PM
:)I don't see how Clay Matthews' stock can simultaneously be continuing to rise AND he will last to 46. Not possible.

In fact, I'm almost certain he'll get picked before Cushing... probably before 15. Houston's not the only fanbase and team who is thought to be interested in him.

I think there's a very good chance that 1 - he won't be there at 15, and 2 - if he is, the Texans won't be able to trade down and still get him. It's not like us fans are making the hype up - his stock is soaring - and he hasn't even had his pro day yet.

I don' really get that sense around the country. Houston is a Matthews stronghold. his value does not hold up in the 1st rd. mid second rd is about right based off one season, surrounded by weapons in an elite defense with an excellent post season. I'm not going to reach for favorites even though I would love to see him wearing a Texan uniform :logo:

fyi you think he is going ahead of Cushing while I think his stock has risen from a 3rd rd. pick so consider this a compromise

YoungTexanFan
03-14-2009, 05:27 PM
I like that you were willing to change it up. I actually like Butler as an under the radar prospect. However, I am a little concerned about him that early. He is small at 5'10 and 183. He does have good instincts, but he had a pretty down year as a senior. I realize that many teams just didn't challenge him, but he didn't have a single interception as a senior and only had 40 total tackles. He tried returning kicks, but that didn't go very well. Now, he did have 10 interceptions his first three years and was a 4 year starter.

Interesting pick though.

beerlover
03-14-2009, 06:00 PM
interesting indeed.


Value Pick - highest rated player @ at highly coveted position that matches salary range
Had a tremendous Combine - ran great time (4.41) on slow track, vertical out of the building (43") & over 11' 2" broad jump. smooth hips great footwork in drills, not quite Rodgers Cromartie (#15th pick last year of Cardinals) but the closest thing in this years draft
Dunta Robinson not locked into long-term contract & there seems to be some animosity
Fits system, cover corner (is Reeves a lock?) physical in run support
Addressing Defense in first round

beerlover
03-14-2009, 06:28 PM
very dissapointed Butler was a no go (injured) for UConn's International Bowl game (discovered RB Donald Brown & OLB Cody Brown however). so I was never on his bandwagon, just dicounted him as probable 2nd rd. pick but then he was healthy for the Senior Bowl. flashed some cover skills make up speed & straight line speed as well aggressvie physical tackling technique (similar to Dunta). next he went to Dallas to train with Deion Sanders @ Prime U (can watch him workout in show) & you could just see the love & respect beaming like a proud father as Sanders developed his skills yet futher. Since this is a Post Combine Mock those impressions are now most clear not that cold early day in Janurary when he stood on the sidelines.

It all depends on what you need or look for in a CB but I really think he has the ability to be an NFL shutdown cornerback & as we know they come @ a hefty price tag. his character seems solid enough too, out of southern Florida, not recruited by any of the top schools (kinda like Aaron Curry) shows he works hard, had natural ability with high ceiling. His Pro-Day is scheduled for March 25th & if he runs as I suspect he will (sub 4.35) all bets are off, certainly the Big Tuna back down there South Florida will have to consider moving up to get his guy :logo:

Goatcheese
03-14-2009, 06:38 PM
very dissapointed Butler was a no go (injured) for UConn's International Bowl game (discovered RB Donald Brown & OLB Cody Brown however). so I was never on his bandwagon, just dicounted him as probable 2nd rd. pick but then he was healthy for the Senior Bowl. flashed some cover skills make up speed & straight line speed as well aggressvie physical tackling technique (similar to Dunta). next he went to Dallas to train with Deion Sanders @ Prime U (can watch him workout in show) & you could just see the love & respect beaming like a proud father as Sanders developed his skills yet futher. Since this is a Post Combine Mock those impressions are now most clear not that cold early day in Janurary when he stood on the sidelines.

It all depends on what you need or look for in a CB but I really think he has the ability to be an NFL shutdown cornerback & as we know they come @ a hefty price tag. his character seems solid enough too, out of southern Florida, not recruited by any of the top schools (kinda like Aaron Curry) shows he works hard, had natural ability with high ceiling. His Pro-Day is scheduled for March 25th & if he runs as I suspect he will (sub 4.35) all bets are off, certainly the Big Tuna back down there South Florida will have to consider moving up to get his guy :logo:

I think one of the main things that the Texans lack in the secondary is a real playmaker. Butler is kind of like the corners we have now. Sticks tight to his man, but doesn't make the big game breaking plays. You have to wonder about the ball skills of a starting corner with zero picks.

beerlover
03-14-2009, 06:43 PM
I think one of the main things that the Texans lack in the secondary is a real playmaker. Butler is kind of like the corners we have now. Sticks tight to his man, but doesn't make the big game breaking plays. You have to wonder about the ball skills of a starting corner with zero picks.

don't let that stat mis-lead you, teams rarely threw his direction. also can return kicks, runs the reverse & played WR. in fact the very definition of his skill set is excatly that of a playmaker :)

Goatcheese
03-14-2009, 07:18 PM
don't let that stat mis-lead you, teams rarely threw his direction. also can return kicks, runs the reverse & played WR. in fact the very definition of his skill set is excatly that of a playmaker :)

I'm curios how he stacks up to last years corners.

DRC had sixty passes targeted into his area, and held the opposition to 22 receptions for 262 yards (11.91 avg per completion), three touchdowns and an average of 4.37 yards per pass attempt.

McKelvin had 70 passes targeted into his territory, as the opposition caught 34 of those tosses (48.57%) for 407 yards (11.97-yard average per completion/5.81-yard average per attempt), no touchdowns and eleven first downs

The1ApplePie
03-14-2009, 07:44 PM
No way Houston North selects Moreno at 12... they made Peyton Hillis look good, they can do with pretty much any back. Also, don't think Matthews is going to fall all the way to our second round pick, though it would be nice.

I wouldn't think they would take an RB in the first. McDaniels runs the spread and the run isn't exactly a priority

JCTexan
03-14-2009, 07:53 PM
I wouldn't think they would take an RB in the first. McDaniels runs the spread and the run isn't exactly a priority

Didn't New England take Maroney in the first a couple of years ago? Or was Mcdaniels not with them at the time?

beerlover
03-14-2009, 08:45 PM
As we saw last season the state of affairs in the Denver backfield depleted by injurys to the point of no return. Then look @ the production the Texans got from Steve Slaton & how Kubiak used him in system. Moreno is a terrific talent can produce similar results to Slaton, from day one. I expect his numbers to be really, really productive & Cutler the beneficiery with better pass numbers across the board. this pick makes a whole lot of sense to me, just as Clady did last year.

beerlover
03-14-2009, 08:54 PM
I'm curios how he stacks up to last years corners.

DRC had sixty passes targeted into his area, and held the opposition to 22 receptions for 262 yards (11.91 avg per completion), three touchdowns and an average of 4.37 yards per pass attempt.

McKelvin had 70 passes targeted into his territory, as the opposition caught 34 of those tosses (48.57%) for 407 yards (11.97-yard average per completion/5.81-yard average per attempt), no touchdowns and eleven first downs

good stuff there goatcheese, would like to see them myself. only thing I can remember is that Connecticut uses different packages sometimes soft zone other times man to man. Against Rutgers they used primarily zone & Britt (who you see I have as 1st rd. talent) lit them up for 107 yards I believe yet did not score a TD. North Carolina with Hakeem Nicks they used Butler in man to man Nicks had like one catch for 8 yards. As you noticed there was a run on WR @ the end of the 1st rd. I see them all pretty fluid & could move from team to team depending on individual workouts etc... the one thing these match-ups tell me is Butlers playing speed is around 4.5 that covers most NFL WR's but has to work with his back peddle & technique against the faster ones like a Britt otherwise the cushion is too deep. from watching these players thats my gut feeling anyway. bottom line the talent is there, is developing to the fullest potential the challenge.

beerlover
03-14-2009, 09:11 PM
this is a nice tool http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/TSX/2009 did not use it for this mock however. what I like is that they post the trends (which way they perceive the players stock is heading). As noted from our astute members responses they do have Clay Matthews stock much higher than the value I placed (20th) with a green arrow pointing higher. thats fine I'll still pass. if he does go higher & people are projecting him as the Texans 1st rd. pick not the 2nd rd. pick you tell me where the value in that is? I'd like more bang for my buck :money:

DiehardChris
03-14-2009, 10:17 PM
this is a nice tool http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/TSX/2009 did not use it for this mock however. what I like is that they post the trends (which way they perceive the players stock is heading). As noted from our astute members responses they do have Clay Matthews stock much higher than the value I placed (20th) with a green arrow pointing higher. thats fine I'll still pass. if he does go higher & people are projecting him as the Texans 1st rd. pick not the 2nd rd. pick you tell me where the value in that is? I'd like more bang for my buck :money:

I've been using that board for all my mocks... not because of the order, but because they list more prospects than anywhere else I can find. It's a great tool!

For all the mocks I'm participating in, I have an excel document with that list imported, then I black out each player as he gets selected... then I can base my order of who is left much more easily, and re-order the spreadsheet by position or whatever. Saves me a ton of time.

beerlover
03-14-2009, 11:16 PM
Nolan Nawrocki quoted on the Draft Show w/Lance Zierlein - http://blogs.chron.com/fantasyfootball/2009/03/podcast_pro_football_weeklys_n.html#comments

makes a comment he thinks Knowshon Moreno could be the most productive player "rookie of the year" in this draft & wind up in same discussion with LaDainian Tomlinson in 10 years. thats super high praise, certainly worth a teams consideration who lack sustained productivity from the RB position.

The Pencil Neck
03-14-2009, 11:24 PM
I've been using that board for all my mocks... not because of the order, but because they list more prospects than anywhere else I can find. It's a great tool!

For all the mocks I'm participating in, I have an excel document with that list imported, then I black out each player as he gets selected... then I can base my order of who is left much more easily, and re-order the spreadsheet by position or whatever. Saves me a ton of time.

I've got a spreadsheet with GBN, Draft Countdown, a couple of the Walter Football mocks, some of Yahoo's and Mayock's position rankings in it. I'm adding CBS now.

That way I can quickly bounce between one and the other. I'm considering making a column with a composite rank of some sort.

During our mock, I just mark down the position the player was taken. Then I can sort by whichever column I want.

threetoedpete
03-14-2009, 11:57 PM
I don't see how Clay Matthews' stock can simultaneously be continuing to rise AND he will last to 46. Not possible.

In fact, I'm almost certain he'll get picked before Cushing... probably before 15. Houston's not the only fanbase and team who is thought to be interested in him.

I think there's a very good chance that 1 - he won't be there at 15, and 2 - if he is, the Texans won't be able to trade down and still get him. It's not like us fans are making the hype up - his stock is soaring - and he hasn't even had his pro day yet.

Fine mock Beerlover. If your mock is the same as the herds your not thinking.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/11483165

I think your mock proves my point.....if they are serious about a pass rusher and they wait untill after 46....the cup board is going to be bare. The only thing left is going to be long shots. and I don't believe they are going to stand pat on Antoinio Smith's 3.5 career average.

so you've added the fifth corner...now what ?

threetoedpete
03-15-2009, 12:08 AM
this is a nice tool http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/TSX/2009 did not use it for this mock however. what I like is that they post the trends (which way they perceive the players stock is heading). As noted from our astute members responses they do have Clay Matthews stock much higher than the value I placed (20th) with a green arrow pointing higher. thats fine I'll still pass. if he does go higher & people are projecting him as the Texans 1st rd. pick not the 2nd rd. pick you tell me where the value in that is? I'd like more bang for my buck :money:

How do you figure BL ? I mean just who are you projecting him to beat out opening day.....by the end of september......the end of October ?

Inquiring minds wish to know ? Taking the best out of a very bad class will only give you heart burn.

Him sitting on the bench doesn't help us one iota catching the division. If they had another two or three years....I'd be on board....but they ain't got two or three years....they got this season. They got to hit somebody who can contribute....now.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/news/story?id=3966657

beerlover
03-15-2009, 09:37 AM
How do you figure BL ? I mean just who are you projecting him to beat out opening day.....by the end of september......the end of October ?

depends on the package Bush trots out there on sundays. I like Dunta @ Nickle, Reeves LCB, Butler projects to RCB. If only two corners are in there Bush could move Dunta to FS that way you have your best three db's on the field @ all times. thats a big thing for me is to have flexabiltiy & philosophy to have your best players on the field @ all times. I would fully expect Butler to get tested early, by seaons end it might be flipped back towards Reeves

Inquiring minds wish to know ? Taking the best out of a very bad class will only give you heart burn.

each year only a handfull of CB's can play @ the next level, thats what increases their value. its a premium position, like QB where value is overstated because they're hard to find. Flash backward two drafts ago- Texans sitting there @ #10 had some other choices you know between Amobi, Willis, Timmons, Hall & Revis. we probably would not be having this discussion if the Texans had selected Revis. for all the talk of passing on Patrick Willis (ole Miss) Revis should have been the pick, he is now one of the best young cb's in the NFL.

Him sitting on the bench doesn't help us one iota catching the division. If they had another two or three years....I'd be on board....but they ain't got two or three years....they got this season. They got to hit somebody who can contribute....now.

understand but always remember its a fluid process that evolves over time. my biggest concern with the Texans right now is the future without Dunta, the Texans need to be smart about things, so far refusing to overpay or commit longterm, we must understand this, so they franchised him. Im not super crazy about Reeves, Bennett is very long but is slow in breaks, doesnt have the elite coverage skills needed & Molden is still unknown. the Texans could be hurting with this group sooner rather than latter if they pass on another elite talent. you only get one maybe two shots a year to address it.

:cool:

The1ApplePie
03-15-2009, 02:05 PM
Didn't New England take Maroney in the first a couple of years ago? Or was Mcdaniels not with them at the time?

McDaniels wasn't running the offense at the time. They switched to the spread when they got Moss, Stalworth, and Welker in 2007

mussop
03-15-2009, 02:23 PM
I like that you were willing to change it up. I actually like Butler as an under the radar prospect. However, I am a little concerned about him that early. He is small at 5'10 and 183. He does have good instincts, but he had a pretty down year as a senior. I realize that many teams just didn't challenge him, but he didn't have a single interception as a senior and only had 40 total tackles. He tried returning kicks, but that didn't go very well. Now, he did have 10 interceptions his first three years and was a 4 year starter.

Interesting pick though.

Butler and Harris will both be good NFL players mark my words.

threetoedpete
03-15-2009, 04:16 PM
understand but always remember its a fluid process that evolves over time. my biggest concern with the Texans right now is the future without Dunta, the Texans need to be smart about things, so far refusing to overpay or commit longterm, we must understand this, so they franchised him

that is true.

But you are ignoring the obvious.....this Staff isn't worried about CB in 2010. They are worrying about getting their contracts renewed. They aren't worrying about Robinson's contract or a CB problem next off season. They are worrying about getting renewed through 2013. And to do that...they need play makers, defensive play makers on the field, not on the bench.

beerlover
03-16-2009, 12:28 PM
I really hope y'all are right about Matthews & drive his stock so far north he winds up in Buffalo, then I could change my pick to Evertte Brown :specnatz: