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JWarren14
03-13-2009, 04:26 PM
Reported running 4.34 and 4.46 at his Pro Day @ 6'1" 235 Lbs....if he is still there @ 15 would you take him or would you settle for value later in the draft? Slaton had a great first year, but a Beanie + Slaton combo with AJ and OD + Schaub connection is just downright scary. I know we have needs on defense and this may just be a "sexy" pick, but a bigger back with above average speed would be perfect to run with Slaton.

Thoughts....

Mac#5
03-13-2009, 04:50 PM
I wish we could take him and it is a sexy pick. i can imagine him and Steve Slaton sorta like Deangelo williams n Stewart but reality is we need to address our needs n RB is position we can take care of in the later rounds and it would be better to wait to the later rounds because we can get a RB for less money.

Texecutioner
03-13-2009, 04:53 PM
I would be ecstatic to take him. However, as much as I would love to add him I know that our defense has to many holes to fill and the needs over there far exceed needing a 2nd RB to where we would need to draft one in the first round. We can draft a guy for RB in the 3rd or 4th round.

Ole Miss Texan
03-13-2009, 05:13 PM
Not a fan. He's a one deminsional runner and if that's what we want, grab one later in the draft. He would be a bad pick for the Texans at #15.

He's a powerful runner but he's not going to be able to turn the corner in the pros. My bet is he'll often get injured. The guy has bad hands and is not a threat receiving the ball.

Slaton caught more passes in two games this season than Wells did his entire college career. In this offense, the RB is expected to pick up the blitz and be a safety valve for Schaub. Wells isn't going to to that. Mark him off our list unless he's there in the 2nd round.

The Pencil Neck
03-13-2009, 08:45 PM
I'm not a big fan of Wells' and I'm not a fan of fixing our offense's problems when the defenses problems are much worse. I think we can get a good RB (or two) later in the draft that we can get the same or better performance from.

stingray
03-13-2009, 08:51 PM
If they do take him, then they would have to pick pretty much defensive players the rest of the way.

The Pencil Neck
03-13-2009, 09:01 PM
You know, I wouldn't mind going for a RB in the 2nd or 3rd or an interior linemen in the 3rd or 4th. There's going to be some good options in there.

I really hope we can trade back and get some more picks in the middle rounds. If we can do that, we could come out like bandits this draft.

But that 15th pick just doesn't excite me sitting there all by itself.

dalemurphy
03-13-2009, 09:19 PM
You know, I wouldn't mind going for a RB in the 2nd or 3rd or an interior linemen in the 3rd or 4th. There's going to be some good options in there.

I really hope we can trade back and get some more picks in the middle rounds. If we can do that, we could come out like bandits this draft.

But that 15th pick just doesn't excite me sitting there all by itself.

If we could trade down 10 spots or so, we may still have a shot at Chris Wells, or Donald Brown. So, we could get a running back and then still have 7 picks in the next 4 rounds.... assuming we got an extra 3 and 5 for the traded down (2, 3, 3, 4, 4, 5, 5). In a draft this deep and with the kind of players we need (interior oline, safety, part time pass rusher, space eater), I think that's about an ideal situation.

Goatcheese
03-14-2009, 03:37 AM
If we could trade down 10 spots or so, we may still have a shot at Chris Wells, or Donald Brown. So, we could get a running back and then still have 7 picks in the next 4 rounds.... assuming we got an extra 3 and 5 for the traded down (2, 3, 3, 4, 4, 5, 5). In a draft this deep and with the kind of players we need (interior oline, safety, part time pass rusher, space eater), I think that's about an ideal situation.

The mid 20's is definitely where the Texans would get the biggest value on defense. Wells at 15 vs the defensive talent is a no brainer though. I think Wells is a top 10 player in this draft, that is only slipping because the people in front of us have glaring, must fill needs, with positions that lack a starter all together. The Texans are in a position where they only lack a starter at SS, but there's not one to take in the first.

Wolf6151
03-14-2009, 03:53 AM
I'm not a fan of Wells either, in fact I think 3yrs. from now Wells will be looked at as a 1st round bust similar to Reggie Bush. He'll be functional but not nearly the player worthy of a 1st round pick.

Goatcheese
03-14-2009, 04:13 AM
I'm not a fan of Wells either, in fact I think 3yrs. from now Wells will be looked at as a 1st round bust similar to Reggie Bush. He'll be functional but not nearly the player worthy of a 1st round pick.

Unless he has a bunch of injuries I don't see why you think this. He's a downhill runner, with pretty good speed, and vision. Bush was a scat back who would dance around, and couldn't run between the tackles unless the hole was 10 yards wide. The only major change I would make to Wells' running style is his body lean. He runs too high, and leaves his body open to solid hits. He needs to get down behind his pads, and he would be impossible to tackle head on.

mussop
03-14-2009, 06:17 AM
Not a fan. He's a one deminsional runner and if that's what we want, grab one later in the draft. He would be a bad pick for the Texans at #15.

He's a powerful runner but he's not going to be able to turn the corner in the pros. My bet is he'll often get injured. The guy has bad hands and is not a threat receiving the ball.

Slaton caught more passes in two games this season than Wells did his entire college career. In this offense, the RB is expected to pick up the blitz and be a safety valve for Schaub. Wells isn't going to to that. Mark him off our list unless he's there in the 2nd round.

What do you mean by one dimensional player?

I dont know about him not being able to turn the corner in the pros. I think thats his biggest asset. He does have red flags in the injury department but he hasnt had anything serious. Remember the same thing was said about Adrian Peterson last year. Also agree he needs to work on his hands

All in all I personally would rather take Donald Brown if we were to go RB. Alot of people will dissagree with me on this but I have the top RB's as
#1 Donald Brown
#2 LeSean McCoy
#3 Wells and Moreno tied
Why Brown at the top? Because he is a complete player with no negatives.
Why McCoy at #2? Dont understand why this guy doesnt get more love. He reminds me of Slaton but better at running between the tackles at this point in his career.
Why Wells falls? Because of injury history and lack of receiving skills.
Why Moreno falls? Because he takes too many big hits for his size. I have never seen a back as good as Moreno take as many big hits as he has. I dont think he will last long taking these kind of hits in the NFL. Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZKTaC9-jDQ&feature=related) Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QY-laDyAd4&feature=related)

superdave532
03-14-2009, 12:53 PM
#2 LeSean McCoy
#3 Wells and Moreno tied
Why Brown at the top? Because he is a complete player with no negatives.
Why McCoy at #2? Dont understand why this guy doesnt get more love. He reminds me of Slaton but better at running between the tackles at this point in his career.


I agree with you about McCoy - I think this guy will be the best running back out of this year's class after watching him play a few games. I don't know how much better he'll be than Slaton was last year, but Slaton was awesome last year. I haven't seen Donald Brown play other than his highlights on youtube, so I can't comment too much on him.

I'm impressed with the recent 40 times that Wells is supposed to have run, but at the same time I don't think it's very accurate to compare his injury criticism to Adrian Peterson's coming out of college. Adrian broke his collar bone when he dove in to the end zone for a touchedown. Beanie Wells broke his foot when he was taking his first carry of the season, before he even made contact with a defender. Wells probably would have been the difference in the Texas - Ohio State bowl game, and I bet OSU would have won if he'd managed to stay in the whole game. But didn't he go out before the half with another injury? I remember that at the time I didn't think he had taken any really bad hits.

Peterson gets injured because he runs like an enraged animal and tries to hurt people for another yard. Beanie seems to get hurt because he's just a guy that gets hurt a lot.

PHAROAH
03-14-2009, 04:25 PM
Well if we can't stop teams we need to outscore them like the rams & colts used to do.

Spled
03-14-2009, 10:22 PM
You're talking about 240 pounds. He's a great combination of speed and power.

threetoedpete
03-15-2009, 12:57 AM
The mid 20's is definitely where the Texans would get the biggest value on defense. Wells at 15 vs the defensive talent is a no brainer though. I think Wells is a top 10 player in this draft, that is only slipping because the people in front of us have glaring, must fill needs, with positions that lack a starter all together. The Texans are in a position where they only lack a starter at SS, but there's not one to take in the first.

You guys are too rich....you're going to draft to elevate the offense to top three or number one over all....and leave the defense and all it's question marks drowning in the cellar. Fix it with guys with holes in their game and long shots on the second day. Hello eight and eight again. too funny.

Everyone ran fast on that track....everyone. I see now where his reported
4.4's come from. Maybe Mr. McNair will come up with another two or three milion and install to their turff for the beaner in reliant ?

Goatcheese
03-15-2009, 03:55 AM
You guys are too rich....you're going to draft to elevate the offense to top three or number one over all....and leave the defense and all it's question marks drowning in the cellar. Fix it with guys with holes in their game and long shots on the second day. Hello eight and eight again. too funny.

Wells could make this offenses scoring match it's overall production. What defender are you looking to take at 15 that is going to improve the defense from the 27th best to a top 13?

I'd like to get a defender, but there's not good value where we pick. So I would rather trade down, or take a player who will have the biggest impact on the team rather than reach for a borderline first round talent on defense.

Everyone ran fast on that track....everyone. I see now where his reported
4.4's come from. Maybe Mr. McNair will come up with another two or three milion and install to their turff for the beaner in reliant ?

Jenkins improved by about .07
Laurinaitis by .1
Wells by .21

They ran on a harder fieldturf than they had at the combine. Adjusting for the improvement of the other two, I'd guess Wells real speed is in the 4.45-4.5 range. Excellent for a man his size, and faster than I expected.

dalemurphy
03-15-2009, 04:37 AM
You guys are too rich....you're going to draft to elevate the offense to top three or number one over all....and leave the defense and all it's question marks drowning in the cellar. Fix it with guys with holes in their game and long shots on the second day. Hello eight and eight again. too funny.

Everyone ran fast on that track....everyone. I see now where his reported
4.4's come from. Maybe Mr. McNair will come up with another two or three milion and install to their turff for the beaner in reliant ?

Yeah, you're right, you just can't win with a great offense and an average defense.

signed,
Indianapolis Colts
Arizona Cardinals
St. Louis Rams (greatest show on turf)

Seems like the job in the off-season should be to strengthen the depth and talent of the team, particularly at positions of weakness. I don't think it's the job of the team to also make sure that the offense and defense, finishes with the same league ranking at the end of the season.

We need: RBs, OL depth, Safeties, Pass rusher, DT(maybe)
You are suggesting that the Texans should ignore a RB on their board, even if he's their highest rated player, simply because the offense was more productive than the defense last year? That seems problematic.

By the way, as far as the acquisition of talent and expenditures of resources in draft and FA the past three years, the defense has gotten a lot more attention that the offense:

Since 2004, we've only spent one 1st round pick on an offensive player. Here's our last six 1st round picks:

Dunta Robinson
Jason Babin
Travis Johnson
Mario Williams (Demeco Ryans 1st pick of 2nd round)
Amobi Okoye
Duane Brown

Under this regime, I believe our 3 biggest FA acquisitions have been defensive players:

Anthony Weaver
J. Reeves (arguably A. Green, depending on how you view contracts)
Anthonio Smith


I don't think the despartity between the offense and defense has anything to do with the team's off-season focus over the past 4 years. I believe more money is tied up in the defense as well. I'd say making significant changes to the coaching staff, starting with the D.C. acknowledges that the organization believes that the talent wasn't the primary reason why the defense was so putrid. By the way, having two great backs and a solid and deep OLine does benefit the defense as well.

Goldensilence
03-15-2009, 04:39 PM
Don't think we'll pick Wells at 15 it's not he's a terrible back just the value isn't there for us there.

I know this is getting beat like a dad horse but unless a guy like Jenkins drops to us at 15, which I don't see with N.O. having a big need at CB, the best value at 15 for our team is at Linebacker.

Texecutioner
03-15-2009, 05:36 PM
Yeah, you're right, you just can't win with a great offense and an average defense.

signed,
Indianapolis Colts
Arizona Cardinals
St. Louis Rams (greatest show on turf)

Seems like the job in the off-season should be to strengthen the depth and talent of the team, particularly at positions of weakness. I don't think it's the job of the team to also make sure that the offense and defense, finishes with the same league ranking at the end of the season.

We need: RBs, OL depth, Safeties, Pass rusher, DT(maybe)
You are suggesting that the Texans should ignore a RB on their board, even if he's their highest rated player, simply because the offense was more productive than the defense last year? That seems problematic.

By the way, as far as the acquisition of talent and expenditures of resources in draft and FA the past three years, the defense has gotten a lot more attention that the offense:

Since 2004, we've only spent one 1st round pick on an offensive player. Here's our last six 1st round picks:

Dunta Robinson
Jason Babin
Travis Johnson
Mario Williams (Demeco Ryans 1st pick of 2nd round)
Amobi Okoye
Duane Brown

Under this regime, I believe our 3 biggest FA acquisitions have been defensive players:

Anthony Weaver
J. Reeves (arguably A. Green, depending on how you view contracts)
Anthonio Smith


I don't think the despartity between the offense and defense has anything to do with the team's off-season focus over the past 4 years. I believe more money is tied up in the defense as well. I'd say making significant changes to the coaching staff, starting with the D.C. acknowledges that the organization believes that the talent wasn't the primary reason why the defense was so putrid. By the way, having two great backs and a solid and deep OLine does benefit the defense as well.

Pretty good points Dale. I remember in the thread earlier where you mentioned something about trading down and possibly getting Wells later on in the 1st. That wouldn't be so bad if we could get an extra 3rd and spend the rest of our picks mainly on defense. I could be okay with that, because we would have the best SMASH and DASH duo in the league and I'd put Slaton and Wells against any other duo.

Hell it worked for the Titans this season and they had no WR's at all to work with. We just won't have anywhere near the defense that the Titans had this season but we would have a potent running game and potent passing game. The more I think about this though, the more I like it.

steelbtexan
03-15-2009, 06:10 PM
Well if we can't stop teams we need to outscore them like the rams & colts used to do.

If you want that we should draft

RD1 Heyward-Bey
RD2 Mack
RD3 Shonn Greene

threetoedpete
03-16-2009, 02:57 AM
Yeah, you're right, you just can't win with a great offense and an average defense.

signed,
Indianapolis Colts
Arizona Cardinals
St. Louis Rams (greatest show on turf)

Seems like the job in the off-season should be to strengthen the depth and talent of the team, particularly at positions of weakness. I don't think it's the job of the team to also make sure that the offense and defense, finishes with the same league ranking at the end of the season.

We need: RBs, OL depth, Safeties, Pass rusher, DT(maybe)
You are suggesting that the Texans should ignore a RB on their board, even if he's their highest rated player, simply because the offense was more productive than the defense last year? That seems problematic.

By the way, as far as the acquisition of talent and expenditures of resources in draft and FA the past three years, the defense has gotten a lot more attention that the offense:

Since 2004, we've only spent one 1st round pick on an offensive player. Here's our last six 1st round picks:

Dunta Robinson
Jason Babin
Travis Johnson
Mario Williams (Demeco Ryans 1st pick of 2nd round)
Amobi Okoye
Duane Brown

Under this regime, I believe our 3 biggest FA acquisitions have been defensive players:

Anthony Weaver
J. Reeves (arguably A. Green, depending on how you view contracts)
Anthonio Smith


I don't think the despartity between the offense and defense has anything to do with the team's off-season focus over the past 4 years. I believe more money is tied up in the defense as well. I'd say making significant changes to the coaching staff, starting with the D.C. acknowledges that the organization believes that the talent wasn't the primary reason why the defense was so putrid. By the way, having two great backs and a solid and deep OLine does benefit the defense as well.


Murphy you're an *****....do yourself a favor and erase this.

mussop
03-16-2009, 04:19 AM
Murphy you're an *****....do yourself a favor and erase this.



Im sick of everyone acting like our Offense is so good that it doesnt need anything more than a late round draft pick to be a backup here or there. Yeh we were 3rd in the leauge in total yards. SO WHAT! All them yards and we were still 17th in scoring. Moving the ball down the field means nothing if you dont get points. Our offense is on the verge of being great. With the right players added they could become elite. It would be STUPID to pass that opportunity up and reach for a defensive player just because our D isnt ranked as high as our O.

Now if you dissagree with that fine, youre entitled to youre opinion. Myself and alot of other people think youre wrong but you wont see us acting imature and calling you names like an unintelligent school boy. If everyone here acted like this when they dissagreed with someone you would be getting called a ***** alot. Do youreself a favor and quite acting like youre opinion is always right.

dalemurphy
03-16-2009, 09:50 AM
Murphy you're an *****....do yourself a favor and erase this.

Well, depending on what "*****" is, I certainly could be one. However, I'd love to hear from you a little more detailed criticism, perhaps based on something other than emotional rage, makes me look like an "*****".

Specnatz
03-16-2009, 11:04 AM
Murphy you're an *****....do yourself a favor and erase this.

Why do you do this all the time? If someone does not agree with you, you have to insult them. I will type so nothing is blacked out ..

Stop being a whiny ass ***** and discuss things like an adult.

Specnatz
03-16-2009, 11:13 AM
Im sick of everyone acting like our Offense is so good that it doesnt need anything more than a late round draft pick to be a backup here or there. Yeh we were 3rd in the leauge in total yards. SO WHAT! All them yards and we were still 17th in scoring. Moving the ball down the field means nothing if you dont get points. Our offense is on the verge of being great. With the right players added they could become elite. It would be STUPID to pass that opportunity up and reach for a defensive player just because our D isnt ranked as high as our O.

Now if you dissagree with that fine, youre entitled to youre opinion. Myself and alot of other people think youre wrong but you wont see us acting imature and calling you names like an unintelligent school boy. If everyone here acted like this when they dissagreed with someone you would be getting called a ***** alot. Do youreself a favor and quite acting like youre opinion is always right.

It is not that folks are saying to ignore the RB or that we do not need line depth. Obviously you have skipped a lot of threads because it is brought up more than a thread about an ex UT player coming here is long.

Just most think the value is not there in te fgirst round. Besides Wells is one of the most overrated runningbacks I have ever heard mentioned. He is vy overrated in my opinion.

Here are backs I think are better suited for us than Wells.


*Donald Brown 5-10, 210 4.51 UConn
*LeSean McCoy 5-10, 210 4.45 Pittsburgh
Rashad Jennings 6-1, 231 4.60 Liberty
Andre Brown 6-0, 224 4.50 North Carolina State
*Glenn Coffee 6-0, 210 4.58 Alabama
James Davis 5-11, 218 4.60 Clemson

badboy
03-16-2009, 02:40 PM
If the team decides Wells is a scoring machine that can bust a 3rd or 4th and one yard and power in from red zone, I am ok IF our other needs are addressed later in draft. I think the type of back we need can be had later but if Well is much better go get him.

1. #15 Wells 2. DE Ayers or Kreuger or Sidbury 3. Rashad Johnson FS 4A Canfiled O.G. 4B Daniel Holtzclaw LB

Ole Miss Texan
03-16-2009, 02:46 PM
What do you mean by one dimensional player?
I just mean that he's not much of a threat in receiving the ball. He's a between the tackles kind of RB. Those guys obviously have a place in the NFL but for a mid-1st round RB pick, I want a more versatile guy. Someone who has it all. For the qualities Wells would bring to the team, I feel we could get a similar RB in a later round which would be better value.

Goldensilence
03-16-2009, 02:50 PM
I just mean that he's not much of a threat in receiving the ball. He's a between the tackles kind of RB. Those guys obviously have a place in the NFL but for a mid-1st round RB pick, I want a more versatile guy. Someone who has it all. For the qualities Wells would bring to the team, I feel we could get a similar RB in a later round which would be better value.

Key Phrase right there. It's not that Wells is a terrible player or that our offense is in a form that doesn't need upgrades or tinkering it's just the value at 15 he presents. I don't get why this is such a hard concept to grasp.

I guess it's just the off-season, people are bored and need something to argue about.

mussop
03-16-2009, 02:53 PM
It is not that folks are saying to ignore the RB or that we do not need line depth. Obviously you have skipped a lot of threads because it is brought up more than a thread about an ex UT player coming here is long.

Just most think the value is not there in te fgirst round. Besides Wells is one of the most overrated runningbacks I have ever heard mentioned. He is vy overrated in my opinion.

Here are backs I think are better suited for us than Wells.


*Donald Brown 5-10, 210 4.51 UConn
*LeSean McCoy 5-10, 210 4.45 Pittsburgh
Rashad Jennings 6-1, 231 4.60 Liberty
Andre Brown 6-0, 224 4.50 North Carolina State
*Glenn Coffee 6-0, 210 4.58 Alabama
James Davis 5-11, 218 4.60 Clemson

I think you are missunderstanding what I was trying to say. Im not saying we should go offense (especially Wells) in the first, im saying we should go with the highest rated player, offense or defense. I think its crazy to say we have to go defense with our first pick no matter what because our defense wasnt rated as high as our offense like alot of people here are saying. I would rather take a chance on making our offense elite than reaching for a player on D.

As far as Wells goes I have stated my opinion on him many times. Ill do it again since you seemed to have missed it. Wells is the third or fourth best RB in this draft on my position board. I would take Brown or McCoy before him 7 days a week and twice on Sundays. His injury history scares the crap out of me.

The Pencil Neck
03-16-2009, 02:54 PM
So, let's face it, we ARE going to draft a RB this year. The question is really when.

If we draft a RB in the first round, then it's going to be Knowshon Moreno or Beanie Wells. If I had to choose between those two, I'd go Moreno.

If we draft a RB in the second round, then I'd expect it to be Rashad Jennings or Andre Brown. I don't think McCoy falls to us.

If we're doing it in the 3rd round, Andre Brown might fall to us. I think everyone else is a reach at this spot.

If we go in the 4th round, then we might get Peerman, Javon Ringer, Glen Coffee, and maybe Mike Goodson.

Beyond that, there is of course Jordan Scott from Colgate. And everyone else.

I think we try to go Andre Brown in the 3rd and if he's not there, then we go with whoever's there in the 4th.

mussop
03-16-2009, 03:02 PM
I just mean that he's not much of a threat in receiving the ball. He's a between the tackles kind of RB. Those guys obviously have a place in the NFL but for a mid-1st round RB pick, I want a more versatile guy. Someone who has it all. For the qualities Wells would bring to the team, I feel we could get a similar RB in a later round which would be better value.

I dissagree that he is just a between the tackles runner. He has the speed to get outside and turn the corner. Everything else is dead on.

mussop
03-16-2009, 03:04 PM
So, let's face it, we ARE going to draft a RB this year. The question is really when.

If we draft a RB in the first round, then it's going to be Knowshon Moreno or Beanie Wells. If I had to choose between those two, I'd go Moreno.

If we draft a RB in the second round, then I'd expect it to be Rashad Jennings or Andre Brown. I don't think McCoy falls to us.

If we're doing it in the 3rd round, Andre Brown might fall to us. I think everyone else is a reach at this spot.

If we go in the 4th round, then we might get Peerman, Javon Ringer, Glen Coffee, and maybe Mike Goodson.

Beyond that, there is of course Jordan Scott from Colgate. And everyone else.

I think we try to go Andre Brown in the 3rd and if he's not there, then we go with whoever's there in the 4th.

Lot of good names there.

Ole Miss Texan
03-16-2009, 04:06 PM
I dissagree that he is just a between the tackles runner. He has the speed to get outside and turn the corner. Everything else is dead on.

I'll be the first to admit I tend to underrate his speed. I don't think he'll have the same success when he hits the pros of running around the edge and taking it up the sidelines. But I think he's got the speed to take it outside and then make the cut back inside. He's really good at that in my opinion and that's really how you get positive yards.

Texecutioner
03-16-2009, 04:23 PM
The more and more I think about this, I'd love to get Wells in the first round trade down or not. Can any of you guys imagine how well the play action would work if you had Wells and Slaton in on the same formations? Man that would open up the passing game BIG TIME!! We could spend the rest of the draft on defense and get our DE in the daft next season or try and get Kruger with our second pick if the coaches wanted a DE that bad. Kruger and our new DE would not be a bad duo at all together.

I just don't see how teams could stop the Texans if we had Wells and Slaton as our Smash and Dash and Johnson and Walter on the wing.

I'm changing my tune. I want Wells in the first round!

No way Smith and Kubes would do this though.

Goatcheese
03-16-2009, 04:26 PM
I can see the argument that he isn't a major receiving threat, but that's not what you draft a 6'1 235 lbs 4.4 guy to be. He's rated as high as he is despite not having the receiving skill set of a Moreno, because he's just that much better at actually running the ball. He was his teams offense for the most part last year, and still picked up almost 6 yards per carry with the entire defense staring at him knowing he was about to get the ball. Moreno was on a team with a QB about to go #1 in the draft.

Wells also has just about the same speed as Steve Slaton, which will force teams to stay back, and not just stack the box. He's an explosive threat that can take it to the house if he breaks free. Moreno has the kind of speed Texans fans hated in Domanick Davis. It doesn't scare anybody. How many times did you see Davis break into the secondary and start wondering which linebacker was going to run him down from behind?

Ole Miss Texan
03-16-2009, 04:35 PM
I can see the argument that he isn't a major receiving threat, but that's not what you draft a 6'1 235 lbs 4.4 guy to be.
I can see the arguement for drafting a RB like that, but that's not the skill set you use the #15 overall pick on when you're a team that requires the RB to do as much receiving as the Texans do.
He's rated as high as he is despite not having the receiving skill set of a Moreno, because he's just that much better at actually running the ball.

I can see him being rated highly by the internet draftniks but remember every team has a different board. He could be the #1 RB on some teams' boards, while others may have him as #5.

The Pencil Neck
03-16-2009, 04:39 PM
I wish we could just DRAFT already.

This is the problem with the time in between the Combine and the Draft. I could convince myself of almost anything.

The only two positions I don't see us drafting early this year are QB and WR. We could draft those two positions late but I doubt it.

Our defense is the suck and our offense is pretty good. So it makes much more sense to me to draft for the defense early and the offense later.

But I'm not really sold on ANY of the defensive players that are going to be available. Cushing's got injury issues, Clay Matthews is a one year starter, Ayers probably wouldn't be a 3 down starter and could be a huge reach at this spot, Laurinitis is an ILB and we don't need that, Jenkins might need to convert to safety and do we want to use a pick on a guy we're converting... etc., etc.

I could almost convince myself to go RB.

Texecutioner
03-16-2009, 04:41 PM
I wish we could just DRAFT already.

This is the problem with the time in between the Combine and the Draft. I could convince myself of almost anything.

The only two positions I don't see us drafting early this year are QB and WR. We could draft those two positions late but I doubt it.

Our defense is the suck and our offense is pretty good. So it makes much more sense to me to draft for the defense early and the offense later.

But I'm not really sold on ANY of the defensive players that are going to be available. Cushing's got injury issues, Clay Matthews is a one year starter, Ayers probably wouldn't be a 3 down starter and could be a huge reach at this spot, Laurinitis is an ILB and we don't need that, Jenkins might need to convert to safety and do we want to use a pick on a guy we're converting... etc., etc.

I could almost convince myself to go RB.

Damn PN, good post and you have echoed a lot of my exact thoughts.

Goatcheese
03-16-2009, 05:10 PM
I can see the arguement for drafting a RB like that, but that's not the skill set you use the #15 overall pick on when you're a team that requires the RB to do as much receiving as the Texans do.



Do the Texans really pass to the RB that much? Slaton, who is an ideal threat in the passing game, only caught 50 passes in '08. This isn't the HWWNBN Houston Texans anymore. Double-D could have caught 150 passes if stayed healthy a full season.

Also, while Wells may not have great hands he is an underrated receiver. The Ohio St. offense just doesn't use the RB in the passing game alot. Not being thrown to doesn't mean you can't catch. His problem is more a lack of experience going out into the pattern, than a lack of ability to do so.

Ole Miss Texan
03-16-2009, 07:22 PM
Do the Texans really pass to the RB that much? Slaton, who is an ideal threat in the passing game, only caught 50 passes in '08. This isn't the HWWNBN Houston Texans anymore. Double-D could have caught 150 passes if stayed healthy a full season.
To put that in perspective. AJ caught 115, Daniels caught 70, Walter caught 60 and Slaton caught 50. The next person was Anderson with 19.

Also, while Wells may not have great hands he is an underrated receiver. The Ohio St. offense just doesn't use the RB in the passing game alot. Not being thrown to doesn't mean you can't catch. His problem is more a lack of experience going out into the pattern, than a lack of ability to do so.
If Kubiak is interested in him at 15, he better be attending the pro day (look at Jenkins too) and maybe a private workout to check out these hands. If he thinks Wells would be good enough then his value would definitely increase. One thing's for sure is that our red zone offense would be improved with Wells in the backfield.;)

Goatcheese
03-16-2009, 08:12 PM
If Kubiak is interested in him at 15, he better be attending the pro day (look at Jenkins too) and maybe a private workout to check out these hands. If he thinks Wells would be good enough then his value would definitely increase. One thing's for sure is that our red zone offense would be improved with Wells in the backfield.;)

Does Kubiak ever attend Pro Days? The last time I read about him going to one we were supposed to take Bush #1. The media never seems to mention him when talking about which HCs were there. He may just be one of those guys who doesn't care what a kid can do in gym shorts.

Ole Miss Texan
03-16-2009, 08:55 PM
Does Kubiak ever attend Pro Days? The last time I read about him going to one we were supposed to take Bush #1. The media never seems to mention him when talking about which HCs were there. He may just be one of those guys who doesn't care what a kid can do in gym shorts.
Sure he can send others and film it I presume. I just think the possibility of spending the 15th overall pick and the $'s associated with that when you have Steve Slaton as your starter is kind of a big deal. Guess if the guy can't catch a pass in gym shorts he won't be able to in pads. :)

The1ApplePie
03-16-2009, 10:46 PM
If you want that we should draft

RD1 Heyward-Bey
RD2 Mack
RD3 Shonn Greene

Stick Maclin in there and I'd take it

Build the strength to protect the weakness. Rather have solid offensive talent than waste a first on a pass rush specialist.

bah007
03-16-2009, 10:52 PM
Stick Maclin in there and I'd take it

Build the strength to protect the weakness. Rather have solid offensive talent than waste a first on a pass rush specialist.

If a DE would be a waste because he will start out as a pass rush specialist then wouldn't Maclin be a waste because he will start out as only a slot receiver?

No way he supplants Walter in his first year unless he increases his run blocking ability very quickly.

The1ApplePie
03-16-2009, 10:55 PM
If a DE would be a waste because he will start out as a pass rush specialist then wouldn't Maclin be a waste because he will start out as only a slot receiver?

No way he supplants Walter in his first year unless he increases his run blocking ability very quickly.

One-dimensional DEs like Maybin or Ayers that will only be useful for rushing the passer. That is a waste of a first round pick

Maclin would start over Walters, and can return kicks and punts

Goatcheese
03-16-2009, 11:03 PM
If a DE would be a waste because he will start out as a pass rush specialist then wouldn't Maclin be a waste because he will start out as only a slot receiver?

No way he supplants Walter in his first year unless he increases his run blocking ability very quickly.

I would say a 3rd WR would be less valuable than almost anything. He would be the 5th target behind Johnson, Daniels, Walter, and Slaton. How often is the 5th target going to get a chance to make an impact?

A RB who gets 15 carries a game(240 carries a season) on the other hand...

I'm just saying. :doot:

El Tejano
03-16-2009, 11:14 PM
If we are looking for a DT, couldn't we pick that up in the 2nd? I mean Roy Miller will be there and he is pretty darn good.

bah007
03-16-2009, 11:25 PM
If we are looking for a DT, couldn't we pick that up in the 2nd? I mean Roy Miller will be there and he is pretty darn good.

We could pick up Roy Miller in the 4th round. I wouldn't be upset with that.

Goatcheese
03-21-2009, 04:45 AM
If Kubiak is interested in him at 15, he better be attending the pro day (look at Jenkins too) and maybe a private workout to check out these hands. If he thinks Wells would be good enough then his value would definitely increase. One thing's for sure is that our red zone offense would be improved with Wells in the backfield.;)

Just saw this on ESPN.

2. The Beanie show
Ohio State's Wells made up for an underwhelming combine performance by putting on a show for scouts in Columbus. It was the type of workout NFL brass have come to expect from a premier talent at his position, particularly after the shows put on by the likes of Adrian Peterson and Darren McFadden the past two years. Wells stood by many of his jumping and shuttle numbers from Indianapolis but significantly improved his 40 time in Indy (4.59 seconds) by running a pair in the sub-4.45 range. Just as impressive were his hands during pass-catching drills; this eases concerns regarding his inexperience in the passing game (only 15 receptions in three seasons at Ohio State).

Wells can rest easy knowing he showed NFL teams what he's made of physically. It's safe to say that if Wells falls out of the first half of the first round, it will be due almost entirel

The rest was "insider" (lulz) info.

mussop
03-21-2009, 04:59 AM
Just saw this on ESPN.



The rest was "insider" (lulz) info.

Who wrote that? I ask because I have seen footage of his pro day and while it was limited he did not look natural catching the ball to me. In fact out of the few passes he cought it stood out to me that he didnt catch any of them cleanly. :thinking: He did hang on to them I guess Ill give him that but considering it wasnt at game speed and with a defender bearing down on him I dont know how much credit he deserves.

Once again what I saw was limited so maybe they just happend to film the few bad ones.

wags
03-21-2009, 08:32 AM
Bengals | Interested in Wells
Sat, 21 Mar 2009 05:27:23 -0700

Bob Hunter, of The Columbus Dispatch, reports the Cincinnati Bengals have Ohio State RB Chris Wells on their short list of candidates for the No. 6 overall pick in the NFL Draft. Wells, if selected, would initially serve as the backup to RB Cedric Benson.

http://kffl.com

threetoedpete
03-21-2009, 11:16 AM
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d80f53f26&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Texecutioner
03-21-2009, 02:03 PM
At first in no way did I want to draft a RB in the first but after further thinking about it, I want the Texans to draft him more than anyone. We would instantly have the best smash and dash combo of two RB's in the NFL. IF you put Slaton and Wells in on the same formations you could work the play action a lot with those two guys not knowing which one is going get the ball or go out for a screen. Defenses would have no choice but to desperately watch our running game which would make ti so easy for AJ and Walter. Plus we could pound away on teams with Wells for longer possessions.

We could then spend the rest of the picks on defense and probably still get some nice pieces with our 2nd 3rd and two 4ths. I think it was Dale Murphy that mentioned something about trading back and getting another extra 4th or even a 3rd if the right team bit.

Regardless I want Wells on this team now more than anyone. The combination of him and Slaton would be so destructive with big plays and ball control.

dsorc
03-21-2009, 02:46 PM
The chances of us picking Wells is close to 0%. Kubiak is not going to go RB early just like Shanahan, the guy he learned from. Then add that our defense needs much more help than our offense, that Wells would be a backup yet would get payed 10 times more than the starter, and that we don't need much out of any RB we pick. RB in the first just doesn't make sense with our team, last year made more sense and yet we passed on Mendenhall. We will get our RB2 on the second day.

Goatcheese
03-21-2009, 05:25 PM
The chances of us picking Wells is close to 0%. Kubiak is not going to go RB early just like Shanahan, the guy he learned from. Then add that our defense needs much more help than our offense, that Wells would be a backup yet would get payed 10 times more than the starter, and that we don't need much out of any RB we pick. RB in the first just doesn't make sense with our team, last year made more sense and yet we passed on Mendenhall. We will get our RB2 on the second day.

1. We didn't pass on Mendenhall. We traded down when we got a good offer, and he wasn't on the board when we made our selection.
2. Gary does not have the same draft philosophy as Mike.
3. Kubiak tried to trade back up into the 1st in 2006 to get D.Williams.
4. Anyone other than a street Free agent is going to make more than Slaton. That's a terrible reason not to draft any position.
5. Just because the defense needs more help than the offense doesn't mean the offense doesn't need help. You take the player that does the most to improve your team.
6. We do need alot out of the RB we pick. We need him to pick up short yardage, spell Slaton 10-15 carries a game minimum, and be able to take over as a legit starter if Slaton goes down.
7. The 15th pick in the draft isn't going to make "10 times more" than Slaton. He'll get around 6 years $12 million which is about the price range the Texans were shopping for in Ward and Benson.

Ole Miss Texan
03-21-2009, 09:21 PM
1st- I havn't seen enough of Well's receiving to turn my opinion completely around. However, it's great to hear that he performed well at his pro day. Either he goes before our pick, pushing another player to #15 or IF we take him, I do think he would upgrade our RB position- no doubt about it. Also, I'll be the first to say receiving is NOT the primary responsibility of a RB so it's not the end all be all. We do need them to be able to catch every dump off thrown to them though b/c we use the RB as a big safety valve and we keep drives going through this usage. It's more important in our scheme than any other.

2nd- It's still hard for me to take a RB at 15 when we have Slaton. A RB will split carries with Slaton. If Wells becomes our primary RB and then has Slaton split carries with him, I can see it being a better pick. I just really feel that what we want/need in another RB, we can easily get in the 2nd-5th rounds this year. I think RB is a big need for us to address but I still want to look at the value in each pick.

3rd- Mendenhall supposedly had the "P-word" associated with him. Something us fans unfortunately don't get to know a lot about most prospects, what scouts/gms/etc. really know/think of these players. Apparently he was a "putty-tat" and his mom had to call his college head coach and complain he wasn't getting enough carries, too. Dangit mom!!!

4th- I've thrown the Denver-Kubiak connection towards drafting completely out the window. No RB or OL in the 1st round EVER!!! However, Kubiak did try to trade up in '06 for Williams in the bottom of the 1st and Kubiak did select Brown in '08 in the 1st... that's RB/OL right there. Denver has always been in a different position than us and our needs. Kubiak/Smith will do what's best for our team short and long term, in my belief. That's not b/c Denver did it one way... it's because HOUSTON is doing it one way. Each draft and season is different.

5th- Forgotten what else I was going to write... good night:)

The1ApplePie
03-22-2009, 12:01 PM
Wells would be great value at 15 but I'd rather take Maclin if we go offense

We should have a shot at one of those guys.

El Tejano
03-22-2009, 03:22 PM
I like Knoshawn Moreno. If we take a RB round one I want it to be him.

Goatcheese
03-22-2009, 05:43 PM
Wells would be great value at 15 but I'd rather take Maclin if we go offense

We should have a shot at one of those guys.

Maclin may well be the better prospect but I don't know if his impact on the team would be as big. He's either going to be the 3rd WR and 5th target, or he'll take Walter's place and we'll only see a moderate increase in production out of the 2nd WR position.

I'd rather see our first rounder have more impact. A RB is going to get 200-250 touches, while our 3rd WR might get 20-25.

Mussup: It's a McShay article about the big pro day stories.

DocBar
03-22-2009, 06:03 PM
If he's the highest rated palyer on the TEXANS board and there at 15, I say take him. Smith, Kubes and Gibbs aren't slouches at picking RB's. I would rather see LB, FS or even CB addressed in the 1st, but I REALLY want us to take the BPA or trade down for more picks. With all that said, I really doubt we'll EVER take a RB in the 1st 2 rounds. The coaching staff has had to much success with finding gems later in the draft. I say BPA HOPING we don't reach for a D player like we have in the past. We need impact starters in the 1st at this stage of our developement NOT 2-3 yr projects.

The1ApplePie
03-22-2009, 06:14 PM
Maclin may well be the better prospect but I don't know if his impact on the team would be as big. He's either going to be the 3rd WR and 5th target, or he'll take Walter's place and we'll only see a moderate increase in production out of the 2nd WR position.

I'd rather see our first rounder have more impact. A RB is going to get 200-250 touches, while our 3rd WR might get 20-25.

Mussup: It's a McShay article about the big pro day stories.

Maclin would be a factor returning punts and kicks as well. His ability to stretch the field with AJ could open up the field for OD and Slaton undernearth.

I wouldn't be mad at Wells either though.