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RipTraxx
03-13-2009, 01:20 PM
Anyone seen this posted this morning?

Seems to me Kirwin doesnt know us very well....

15. Texans Chris Wells RB Ohio State

The Texans might take a defensive tackle at this spot -- perhaps Peria Jerry -- but it is looking more and more like a running back to split the duties with Steve Slaton is a possibility








link
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d80f330d5&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Ole Miss Texan
03-13-2009, 01:31 PM
If we go RB at 15, I'd rather just get Moreno or Donald Brown.

Texan4Ever
03-13-2009, 01:31 PM
I don't understand why these so-called "experts" feel that we need a RB to support Steve Slaton or a QB to backup Matt Schaub. They should know that Gary Kubiak does not take RBs in the 1st round (and he never well). We have other needs to address but I feel that we should trade away are 1st round pick to the Lions or some crappy team in exchange for a first in 2010 NFL Draft which well feature better players such as Taylor Mays.

Nawzer
03-13-2009, 01:33 PM
Or maybe he knows us better than we know ourselves! Look I know taking a running back doesn't seem like a real possibility, but what if we do? I mean there's no guarantee that Slaton will last and be effective for the entire 16 games (plus playoffs games I'm hoping) of the season. Everyone knows you need two good backs now and if we take Chris Wells or any other back with our top pick it could mean a great running game. Our offense thrives off the running game and the better it is the better Matt Schaub and Andre Johnson look. It also keeps the defense fresh if we can just grind it out and wear down the other team. So, I don't see us taking a running back either but you can't count out the possibility and who knows what Rick Smith, Kubiak and crew are thinking? It would be intriguing to say the least.

Specnatz
03-13-2009, 01:37 PM
Or maybe he knows us better than we know ourselves! Look I know taking a running back doesn't seem like a real possibility, but what if we do? I mean there's no guarantee that Slaton will last and be effective for the entire 16 games (plus playoffs games I'm hoping) of the season. Everyone knows you need two good backs now and if we take Chris Wells or any other back with our top pick it could mean a great running game. Our offense thrives off the running game and the better it is the better Matt Schaub and Andre Johnson look. It also keeps the defense fresh if we can just grind it out and wear down the other team. So, I don't see us taking a running back either but you can't count out the possibility and who knows what Rick Smith, Kubiak and crew are thinking? It would be intriguing to say the least.

Hence everyone and the mailman around here is saying a runningback in the 3rd or 4th. A fresh defense that sucks does nothing in the grand scheme of things.

DiehardChris
03-13-2009, 01:42 PM
This running back thing is ridiculous.

Look at last year's draft - WE DIDN'T HAVE A RUNNING BACK AT ALL! We had Ahman Green, Chris Brown, and Chris Taylor, plus a couple of other scrubs.

WE PASSED ON RASHARD MENDENHALL!! ... and a couple of other guys we could have taken in the first. Why? Because we had a desperate need at LT.

This year - we have our RB - and we still have huge needs elsewhere.

Texan4Ever
03-13-2009, 01:43 PM
Hence everyone and the mailman around here is saying a runningback in the 3rd or 4th. A fresh defense that sucks does nothing in the grand scheme of things.



No matter how good your offense is (we were the 17th best offense in terms of PPG) you need a better defense. Our defense gave up more points then we scored which is one of the reasons we finished 8-8. If our Texans are to climb up and make the jump to a legit playoff team our defense needs to improve this upcomming season otherwise it could mean another 8-8 or worse season for us.

The problem is is that there is NO PLAYER defensivly worthy of a 15th overall selection that would help us. Only with a trade down and carefull observation of what personaell we are going into the draft with can we and should we make a final decsion.

Many users argue we should pull the trigger on Clay Matthews, I respect the guys passion for the game but he didn't even start at USC. Maybe if we trade down and grab him then that would be a good move on our part.

Specnatz
03-13-2009, 02:18 PM
How many slots is considered a reach?

nero THE zero
03-13-2009, 02:23 PM
This running back thing is ridiculous.

Look at last year's draft - WE DIDN'T HAVE A RUNNING BACK AT ALL! We had Ahman Green, Chris Brown, and Chris Taylor, plus a couple of other scrubs.

WE PASSED ON RASHARD MENDENHALL!! ... and a couple of other guys we could have taken in the first. Why? Because we had a desperate need at LT.

You're making an assumption on the 'why'. There were whispering surrounding Mendenhall last season that he was soft (to put it nicely.) LZ said he heard from sources that Mendenhall was a "pus*y." After all, his mom did go to the coach at Illinois and demand her son be the starting tailback because it was "owed to him." Maybe the Texans didn't have him on their board for that reason and more. And, who's to say that if Jonathan Stewart fell to us we wouldn't have taken him?

Also, the myth that "Kubiak doesn't take RB in the first round" is not true. In the 2006 draft, Kubiak tried to trade back up into the first to take DeAngelo Williams. The trade didn't work out, but the fact that he tried is proof that not only is he willing to take a RB in the first, he is willing to trade up to do it.

Slaton had a great season last year. But, he's no guarantee to keep up that pace, he had an injury history in college, and we're one play away from having literally no one behind him. I'm not on board with Beanie Wells (*at all*), but if the Texans have Knowshon Moreno or Donald Brown as BPA at our pick there's no reason not to take them.

The Pencil Neck
03-13-2009, 02:30 PM
How many slots is considered a reach?

I think it depends on who you talk to and what their board looks like.

If two teams are ready to take a player within a few picks of each other, then I don't consider that to be a reach even if no one else had that player within a round. I'm referring of course to Duane Brown.

I think at 10-15 picks, it's starting to look like a reach. But, we've had a pretty good mock going so far but if you compare it to GBN's rankings we've had some guys picked as many as 40 slots different than their board.

Texan4Ever
03-13-2009, 02:32 PM
How many slots is considered a reach?

If we grab a guy like Clay Matthews I say we take him in the 20-25th range. As for other players...well, it depends on who they are. We have needs at DE even with the signing of Antonio Smith, an addittional LB would also help, and a hard-hitting safety is aneed as well.

Specnatz
03-13-2009, 02:36 PM
If we grab a guy like Clay Matthews I say we take him in the 20-25th range. As for other players...well, it depends on who they are. We have needs at DE even with the signing of Antonio Smith, an addittional LB would also help, and a hard-hitting safety is aneed as well.

Assuming you can find a trade partner and that someone does not take him in front of you. Also, you are talking about a 5 to 10 slot difference not that big of a deal and no chance of missing out on the guy you want.

RipTraxx
03-13-2009, 02:44 PM
Assuming you can find a trade partner and that someone does not take him in front of you. Also, you are talking about a 5 to 10 slot difference not that big of a deal and no chance of missing out on the guy you want.

Ive never been a fan of trading down. I think we lucked out with Duane being there (even though some considered a reach). Can anyone name the tackle taken after DB off the top of their head? and if he's starting?

I say we go Matthews and be done with it. Considering what Johnny Holland has done with Adibi Diles and DeMeco, who knows what his ceiling is?

Texan4Ever
03-13-2009, 02:47 PM
Ive never been a fan of trading down. I think we lucked out with Duane being there (even though some considered a reach). Can anyone name the tackle taken after DB off the top of their head? and if he's starting?

I say we go Matthews and be done with it. Considering what Johnny Holland has done with Adibi Diles and DeMeco, who knows what his ceiling is?


He might turn out to be a draft steal b/c nobobdy can predict wether or not a player well be successful or not.

RipTraxx
03-13-2009, 02:55 PM
He might turn out to be a draft steal b/c nobobdy can predict wether or not a player well be successful or not.

After passing on Patrick Willis....i dont think we can afford not to. Your 3 LBs are usually your leading tacklers, unless you have a stud SS. IMO whenever you have the opportunity to change or enhance your top 2-3 tacklers, i think its a must for us.

Goatcheese
03-13-2009, 03:02 PM
Hmm.

Rob Rang of NFL Draft Scout also has us taking Wells in his latest mock.

RB isn't our biggest need, but if the draft falls the way I think it will RB will be the best value, and highest impact that we can get at 15.

I'd like to trade down and get value on a guy like Alphonso Smith, but I'd be happy with Wells at 15. He has the type of running style that works in our system. Really good vision, good sharp cuts, then all downhill running. His speed is good enough to outrun linebackers, and his size is enough to throw dbs around like rag dolls when he breaks into the secondary. He's not going to be a super star Adrian Peterson/LT type back, but I can see him being L.Johnson pre meltdown. They're similar Speed, build and running style. Johnson probably has a step on him, but Wells has that filthy stiff arm.

dalemurphy
03-13-2009, 04:55 PM
I don't understand why these so-called "experts" feel that we need a RB to support Steve Slaton or a QB to backup Matt Schaub. They should know that Gary Kubiak does not take RBs in the 1st round (and he never well). We have other needs to address but I feel that we should trade away are 1st round pick to the Lions or some crappy team in exchange for a first in 2010 NFL Draft which well feature better players such as Taylor Mays.

We aren't drafting a backup QB. However, we need another RB that is good enough to contribute early and be a real asset. We wouldn't be drafting a backup, we're drafting someone to get 12-15 touches per week, assuming Slaton is perfectly healthy. There is plenty of precedent in the NFL for drafting a 1st round running back when a good one is already on the roster: Carolina, Pittsburgh are two expamples from just last season. A RB has as many collisions in one game as a QB has over the course of an entire season, hopefully. And, the Texans figure to run and throw to the RBs about 35 times per game. They want Slaton's touched to be around 20.

Corrosion
03-13-2009, 05:04 PM
RB isn't our biggest need, but if the draft falls the way I think it will RB will be the best value, and highest impact that we can get at 15.



I could see this statement being true on draft day .... I dont see a DB worth taking at 15 nor a LB after Curry and Orakpo are gone. There's only one DT I think is worth a top 20 pick in Raji .... the defensive side of the ball in the top of the first in draft is somewhat thin.

Then again they could look to solidify the interior OL w/ a C or OG. I wouldnt get all bent out of shape if this were the case but would much prefer to see the defense upgraded tremendously.

Scooter
03-13-2009, 05:17 PM
edit.

Maddict5
03-13-2009, 06:10 PM
I don't understand why these so-called "experts" feel that we need a RB to support Steve Slaton or a QB to backup Matt Schaub. They should know that Gary Kubiak does not take RBs in the 1st round (and he never well). We have other needs to address but I feel that we should trade away are 1st round pick to the Lions or some crappy team in exchange for a first in 2010 NFL Draft which well feature better players such as Taylor Mays.

we tried to get deangelo willims in the 2006 draft... never say never

ATXtexanfan
03-13-2009, 06:26 PM
hard to imagine not going defense, but if beanie is still on the board and they take him, i'm on board. hard to imagine him being there

infantrycak
03-13-2009, 08:16 PM
I don't understand why these so-called "experts" feel that we need a RB to support Steve Slaton or a QB to backup Matt Schaub. They should know that Gary Kubiak does not take RBs in the 1st round (and he never well). We have other needs to address but I feel that we should trade away are 1st round pick to the Lions or some crappy team in exchange for a first in 2010 NFL Draft which well feature better players such as Taylor Mays.

Two points. Kubiak didn't control the draft in Denver. Assertions about Kubiak based on Denver are dangerous. As demonstrated by the second point--one of Kubiak's 1st few draft moves was to try to trade up into the 1st round to get DeAngelo Williams. Thankfully it didn't work out because either our offer (DeMeco and OD) or their demand (DeMeco and Winston) was too much.

Dapper
03-14-2009, 10:06 AM
I'm not at all on board with a first round running back this year. We have a good starter and can find capable backs in the 3-4 rounds and deeper. What we need is a game changing ss. Not a "tweener" or "cross-over" player, but a true ss that will put reciever's head on a swivel. All of the great defenses have one. Look at the Steelers and their defense and who stands out the most? Who is the face of their defense? :thinking:

If that true head cracking ss is out there, it would be a value pick at any spot in the first round.
I say, find the face and attitude of our defense in the first and let the rest fall where it may.:texflag:

threetoedpete
03-15-2009, 01:41 AM
How many slots is considered a reach?

My book says thirty one. If you got a shot at the guy and you're pretty certain he isn't going to be there with the next pick and your pretty certain he's locked and loaded for you in '09 as a major contributor...take him. I'd be a whole lot happier with the beaner at the forty six than I would at the 15.
There's over paying. Then there's over paying. Wells was banged up all last season. So cushing and moore get scewered and Wells gets a pass. a first round pass ?....to be a complmenary back....or are you taking him to be the bell cow and trade Slaton for a higher pick than we got him ?

Maybe Slaton will break an ankle or something stepping out of the shower the next seven weeks. Then the pick of the beanster would make a lot more sense. All the Wells talk tells me no one got convinced of anything by Steve last season. BY banging this drum, the way I read it is that you are posting: he's basically a third down back and that's all he's ever going to be.

If only the HC agreed with you ...you'd have something.

Goatcheese
03-15-2009, 04:04 AM
My book says thirty one. If you got a shot at the guy and you're pretty certain he isn't going to be there with the next pick and your pretty certain he's locked and loaded for you in '09 as a major contributor...take him. I'd be a whole lot happier with the beaner at the forty six than I would at the 15.
There's over paying. Then there's over paying. Wells was banged up all last season. So cushing and moore get scewered and Wells gets a pass. a first round pass ?....to be a complmenary back....or are you taking him to be the bell cow and trade Slaton for a higher pick than we got him ?

Maybe Slaton will break an ankle or something stepping out of the shower the next seven weeks. Then the pick of the beanster would make a lot more sense. All the Wells talk tells me no one got convinced of anything by Steve last season. BY banging this drum, the way I read it is that you are posting: he's basically a third down back and that's all he's ever going to be.

If only the HC agreed with you ...you'd have something.

All this talk about Wells means that most people don't want to see Slaton run into the ground, have his knees blown out, and be forced to retire after 3 years in the league Domanick Davis style. Some people also wouldn't mind being able to pick up 3rd and 1 atleast every now and then. Maybe even sometimes punch it in with 4 tries from the 1 yard line.

I'm just sayin'.

dalemurphy
03-15-2009, 04:19 AM
All this talk about Wells means that most people don't want to see Slaton run into the ground, have his knees blown out, and be forced to retire after 3 years in the league Domanick Davis style. Some people also wouldn't mind being able to pick up 3rd and 1 atleast every now and then. Maybe even sometimes punch it in with 4 tries from the 1 yard line.

I'm just sayin'.

Yeah, how many times are we going to hear that we don't need to draft a "backup" that high. If a guy is going to have an opportunity to play about30-40% of the snaps, even when the "starter" is healthy, it's a little disingenuous to call him a "backup". We need a 2nd, high quality RB for this team to be able to do what it wants to do on offense. Then, on top of that, we need at least one more quality backup out of this draft. Has nobody been watching the past 7 years? We've never had a HB play 16 games and we've come out of training camp every single year with a RB we were counting on being placed on IR:

2006: D. Davis,
2007: A Green, C. Taylor
2008: C Brown, C Taylor

I refuse to go back before '06... it's just too damn depressing. However, I do know that Davis never played in more than 13 games in one season.