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Ole Miss Texan
03-11-2009, 09:32 AM
The topic here is something everybody wants more of... Sacks. Now that you've quit laughing and taken your head out of the gutter... let's get back on topic and talk about football: QB Sacks- want more of them but how do we get them?

Something I've been thinking about is how much one aspect of the defense relies on another. Pass rush helps the secondary, better secondary gives the pass rushers more time to get to the QB, etc. I believe if you stop the run, your team will get more sacks. This is something the Texans need to improve upon (both run stopping and pass rushing).

I want to preface this in saying that while sacks are invaluable and a great measure of how your pass rush is performing, I not only want to see that go up but QB pressures as well. Often times it's the pressure that leads to an interception... something else we've been severely lacking in.

If you break everything down and get to the bare basics of things... when are sacks most likely to occur? The QB sack is most likely to occur when the offense is forced into an obvious passing situation allowing the DL (and blitz) to come full force at him. If this is a 3rd and long situation that magnifies the chances because the QB is more likely to make a 5-7 yard drop (extra time for the DL).

So I think what the defense really needs to get better at is stopping the run. HUH!!?? As mentioned earlier, we're not even that good at that. If we are able to stop the run consistently on 1st and 2nd down, then that is what leads to the 3rd and long situations. If you're rebuilding a car, it's nice to have powerful engine but it's hard to take advantage of that HP if your axles broke.

Stop the run = Force the offense into 3rd and longs = more sacks/interceptions.

I looked at the top sack producing teams from the 2008 season (top 8 below) and what they all had in common (whether they were a 4-3 or a 3-4 defense) was that they were consistently ranked at the top of the league in rushing defense.

1. Cowboys- 59 sacks; ranked 12th in run defense.
2. Steelers- 51 sacks; ranked 2nd in run defense.
3. Eagles- 48 sacks; ranked 4th in run defense.
4. Vikings- 45 sacks; ranked 1st in run defense.
5. Titans- 44 sacks; ranked 6th in run defense.
6. Giants- 42 sacks; ranked 9th in run defense.
7. Jets- 41 sacks; ranked 7th in run defense.
8. Dolphins- 40 sacks; ranked 10th in run defense.

27. Texans- 25 sacks; ranked 23rd in run defense.


So while we're all eagerly awaiting a pass rusher opposite Mario, I think the Texans should also still be focusing on DL that can stop the run (ideally do both). I think the best course of action is to get a pass rush specialist that stays fresh until needed to come in at RDE in which case Mario moves to LDE. In the meantime, we should have a good rotation of LDEs that can stop the run as well as get up field. No 3-4 ends please, but a good rotational all around type of DE. I see Antonio Smith as being the kind of DE for that spot, let's add another. Then we get to the DTs. I think a NT would be extremely helpful however I don't want to just get a run stopping 3-4 NT... we need a guy that can still penetrate. I think our DL is getting closer to what is needed but we're still a few parts away. I think we have some excellent players that fit in the rotation, like Tim Bulman and Deljuan Robinson.

alphajoker
03-11-2009, 11:30 AM
Having a lead usually helps, too. As a matter of fact, wasn't there a comparison during the MNF game vs. the Jags where they broke down the percentage of sacks players had whose teams had a winning record? I don't remember the numbers but the differences were huge.

Vinny
03-11-2009, 11:31 AM
I'd say stop the run better and get teams in more 3rd and longs instead of 2nd or 3rd and 3 or less, but every time we got someone in 3rd and 12, some rookie QB would complete a 13 yard pass.

Specnatz
03-11-2009, 11:39 AM
How about not giving the WR a 10 yard cushion on 3rd and 7 so the QB can just do a 3 step drop and get the first down.

Oh and stop dropping the LDE into pass coverage and let him rush the passer.

BigBull17
03-11-2009, 11:41 AM
I'd say stop the run better and get teams in more 3rd and longs instead of 2nd or 3rd and 3 or less, but every time we got someone in 3rd and 12, some rookie QB would complete a 13 yard pass.

Ding ding ding. Thats the way. ALso helps to make a tackle where you hit guys, not allow them to fall foward for three yards. That happends way to much.

spurstexanstros
03-11-2009, 12:33 PM
I'd say stop the run better and get teams in more 3rd and longs instead of 2nd or 3rd and 3 or less, but every time we got someone in 3rd and 12, some rookie QB would complete a 13 yard pass.

I would love to wager our combined salries that Petey Faggins was involved in those plays the last couple of years. That is why he hearned the name Petey " Big Play" Faggins, when other teams needed a first down they looked his way.

Seriously have we cut that guy yet? When he is I have a feeeling we will be able to make stops on third down.

nunusguy
03-11-2009, 12:36 PM
"I want to preface this in saying that while sacks are invaluable and a great measure of how your pass rush is performing, I not only want to see that go up but QB pressures as well. Often times it's the pressure that leads to an interception... something else we've been severely lacking in."
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To me that says it all - pressure on the QB. How do you get that pressure,
which may or may not result in a sack ? Primarily by pressure thru the pass-rush of the front 4 of course. So it seems that it all gets back to giving Mario
some help up front.

WolverineFan
03-11-2009, 12:49 PM
The better your run defense is the more the other team will drop back to throw, thus more opportunities for sacks.

DBCooper
03-11-2009, 01:31 PM
Fire Richard Smith!

Polo
03-11-2009, 01:37 PM
Get better pass rushers.

Good pass rushers gets sacks.

Mari-OWNED!
03-11-2009, 01:38 PM
Clone Mario Williams.

ChampionTexan
03-11-2009, 02:33 PM
Clone Mario Williams.

Would your user name then change to Mari-CLONED?

barrett
03-11-2009, 02:42 PM
i would recommend that when the ball is snapped we should tackle the quarterback while he has the ball.

i think that's the best way to get more sacks.

76Texan
03-11-2009, 04:57 PM
Another way to help creating 2nd or 3rd and long is to tackle better on first and second downs.

Whether you're a LB, a CB or a safety coming up on the run or defending the short pass. :scarygirl:

dalemurphy
03-11-2009, 05:22 PM
Another way to help creating 2nd or 3rd and long is to tackle better on first and second downs.

Whether you're a LB, a CB or a safety coming up on the run or defending the short pass. :scarygirl:

How about, now this is just a crazy thought, but, possibly if we disguised and mixed our coverages... maybe, that would create a level of uncertainty and cause the QB to hold on to the ball for a second longer. (I'm way out of the box here, but it's time for trying something just that crazy)

76Texan
03-11-2009, 06:02 PM
How about, now this is just a crazy thought, but, possibly if we disguised and mixed our coverages... maybe, that would create a level of uncertainty and cause the QB to hold on to the ball for a second longer. (I'm way out of the box here, but it's time for trying something just that crazy)
That would take us one step further... to the overall plan of Grand Master Kubiak:

To win ugly with what we got.
Ball control offense, keeping the other team off the field.
Bend but don't break defense, keeping the game close.
Try to win it in the 4th quarter.

That was obvious with his comments before and during the season.
Except we failed in the redzone on both sides of the ball... a bit too often.
And the turnovers.

To me, personally, the TOs by the QBs was also at the forefront of the problem (and that one is squarely on Kubiak, he who's supposed be a QB's guru - or something close to it.)

Shaft75
03-11-2009, 06:50 PM
Blitz more?:wild:

76Texan
03-11-2009, 07:30 PM
Blitz more?:wild:
I hope I do not offend anybody by saying that yeah the more hits you try, the more you score! :shades:

Dapper
03-11-2009, 08:02 PM
How about winning the hitting war every game!

Kaiser Toro
03-11-2009, 09:51 PM
Since we play a 4-3, I would start with rushing our four down linemen.

Big Poundcake
03-11-2009, 10:34 PM
Get a better pass rush and blitz more.

Run some Stunts.

Better coaching on the DL.

steelbtexan
03-11-2009, 10:40 PM
This is why I want to draft a big DT llike Baker in the 3rd rd.

He is exactly what we need on the interior of the DL

If Smithiak can overlook the character ?

Baker just got into some fights (which is what we should be looking for in a DT) & didn't take his academics seriously.

painekiller
03-11-2009, 11:10 PM
Stop the run = Force the offense into 3rd and longs = more sacks/interceptions.

I looked at the top sack producing teams from the 2008 season (top 8 below) and what they all had in common (whether they were a 4-3 or a 3-4 defense) was that they were consistently ranked at the top of the league in rushing defense.

1. Cowboys- 59 sacks; ranked 12th in run defense.
2. Steelers- 51 sacks; ranked 2nd in run defense.
3. Eagles- 48 sacks; ranked 4th in run defense.
4. Vikings- 45 sacks; ranked 1st in run defense.
5. Titans- 44 sacks; ranked 6th in run defense.
6. Giants- 42 sacks; ranked 9th in run defense.
7. Jets- 41 sacks; ranked 7th in run defense.
8. Dolphins- 40 sacks; ranked 10th in run defense.

27. Texans- 25 sacks; ranked 23rd in run defense.


I think a NT would be extremely helpful however I don't want to just get a run stopping 3-4 NT... we need a guy that can still penetrate. I think our DL is getting closer to what is needed but we're still a few parts away. I think we have some excellent players that fit in the rotation, like Tim Bulman and Deljuan Robinson.


Great research and topic.

My question is how important is the LB corp to the run defense? Most of those team above have a strong group of LBs. I have been wanting to build a front 7 that brings fear to the other teams. And having guys that play downhill and attach should be a big help. We have been handicapped with a bad WILL and a read react scheme, so this year we should be better on 1st and 2nd down.

I know a lot of people are looking at Jerry, but I think we can get Ziggy Hood in round 2 or 3, and get the same result. Hood was unblockable at the Senior Bowl and in almost every Mizzou game I saw. Name a LB available latter that has the impact on our defense that Matthews or Cushing can have?

badboy
03-13-2009, 04:26 PM
Raji NT,Robert AYers DE, FS Rashad Johnson and OLB Daniel Holtzman plus what we have.

Nawzer
03-13-2009, 05:01 PM
According to Nike, you "Just Do It". :cool:

dalemurphy
03-13-2009, 05:02 PM
I'd say stop the run better and get teams in more 3rd and longs instead of 2nd or 3rd and 3 or less, but every time we got someone in 3rd and 12, some rookie QB would complete a 13 yard pass.

Yeah, we've been bad on 3rd and longs. That being said, most of our sacks did come on 3rd and long. Obviously, this situation allows the defense to bring in pressure packages, usually demands the QB to take a 7 step drop, and gives Dlinemen an opportunity to ignore run responsibilities.

Also, in addition to creating those situations, we need :

1. a speed rusher
2. to disguise coverages more
3. to disguise blitz packages better

Texan4Ever
03-13-2009, 05:48 PM
Blitz, blitz, and blitz some more. We have to strike some fear into opposing defenses just like Baltimore and Pitt. We know Mario can get to the QB but well Antonio Smith be able to do the same? Right now we have two power-rushers but no speed rushers. What I mean by that is most teams have a power DE who takes on the TE and a speed DE that takes on the right tackle.

CloakNNNdagger
03-13-2009, 07:15 PM
"I want to preface this in saying that while sacks are invaluable and a great measure of how your pass rush is performing, I not only want to see that go up but QB pressures as well. Often times it's the pressure that leads to an interception... something else we've been severely lacking in."
*******************************************
To me that says it all - pressure on the QB. How do you get that pressure,
which may or may not result in a sack ? Primarily by pressure thru the pass-rush of the front 4 of course. So it seems that it all gets back to giving Mario
some help up front.

That seems to be an obvious key. However, the Smith defense appeared to be centered around letting the O come to us. Our DL seemed to have been coached to hold the line AT THE LINE, and not to push the LOS to the QB. By the time their O got to our "waiting" DL, the O's inertia routinely carried our D backwards, or managed to split a huge hole for the play to barrel through. The side with the most enertia as would have been expected, usually won.

Vinny
03-13-2009, 07:32 PM
what I'd really like to see is Mario moved to the strong side and for us to look for a speed rusher on the weak side. The way they are going to go with the new defense is to keep Mario on the weakside and put the new DE on the strong side since he is a pretty decent run stopping end. This tandem should be better on the edges than last years unit was, but I'd sure rather see someone more explosive coming off the weakside edge or at least as a situational pass rusher with Mario dominating most ORT's in the league on the strong side.

Fox
03-13-2009, 08:20 PM
what I'd really like to see is Mario moved to the strong side and for us to look for a speed rusher on the weak side.

This is what I'd ideally like to see as well. I don't mind taking a situational guy who could maybe grow into the role in the future, but at the very least for obvious passing situations we need a legit speed rusher with some real burst off the LOS to line up opposite of Mario this year.

The Pencil Neck
03-13-2009, 08:59 PM
what I'd really like to see is Mario moved to the strong side and for us to look for a speed rusher on the weak side. The way they are going to go with the new defense is to keep Mario on the weakside and put the new DE on the strong side since he is a pretty decent run stopping end. This tandem should be better on the edges than last years unit was, but I'd sure rather see someone more explosive coming off the weakside edge or at least as a situational pass rusher with Mario dominating most ORT's in the league on the strong side.

Actually, I expect them to go this route. Antonio Smith will play the right side on run downs and then either bounce inside or come off the field in passing situations. I expect us to get a speed rusher for those situations in the 2nd or 3rd round. Maybe the 4th, although I don't expect anyone we need to drop that far.

Also, Barber did a good job on that Safety blitz against the Bears. If that really is something Barber is good at, then great. If not, then I hope we pick up someone who is good at it.

leebigeztx
03-13-2009, 11:32 PM
You have to "earn" your right to rush the qb. That means 2 and longs and 3rd and longs. Also, people dont understand how lb's can "squeeze" the windows making the qb hold the ball longer. The percentage of success on 3rd and 6 are a lot less than rd and 4. If the team can get to 3 and +6, normally you can pressure teams and attack protection, but the ability to cover and tighten windows can allot qb sacks. Pressure leads o picks, coverage leads to sacks. Also, playing with a lead and making a team 1-d helps alot.

beerlover
03-14-2009, 02:01 AM
draft a pass rushing specialist :)

DocBar
03-14-2009, 12:04 PM
I just want to see more pressure on the QB. More pressure=QB mistakes. That will lead to more sacks and INT's. Has anone heard if Okam's done much this offseason? He could be a real runstuffer if he'd find the heart to 100% every play.

infantrycak
03-14-2009, 12:46 PM
He could be a real runstuffer if he'd find the heart to 100% every play.

Kollar is now skipping down a yellow brick road looking for a heart for Okam. Jethro Franklin attempted this but stopped in a field of poppy's and hence was dispatched.

CharloTex
03-14-2009, 05:34 PM
To get more sacks, buy more groceries.