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SAMURAITEXAN
03-04-2009, 11:22 AM
I don't know much about Oakland situation with WR/kick off returner. But, I read somewhere that Oakland is using Michael Bush as a trade bait. Why not one on one trade? JJ may has some value to Raiders as a kick off returner and future young and fast WR to groom.

GO TEXANS!!

Polo
03-04-2009, 11:26 AM
I like it.

DiehardChris
03-04-2009, 11:26 AM
I'd make deal that in a split second if I was Rick Smith.

Unfortunately, not even the Raiders are dumb enough to accept it. Bush is FAR FAR more valuable than JJ.

WesmanTexanfan
03-04-2009, 11:27 AM
I would LOOVE for this to happen, I watched this kid fall to 100th overall in his draft. Louisville could have won it all if he hadn't have broken his Leg early in his senior season.

Silver Oak
03-04-2009, 11:27 AM
I'd make deal that in a split second if I was Rick Smith.

Unfortunately, not even the Raiders are dumb enough to accept it. Bush is FAR FAR more valuable than JJ.

maybe they feel they owe us one after the P-Buc deal?

Texecutioner
03-04-2009, 11:30 AM
I would be all for this, but I'm sure Bush has more value than JJ.

However the Raiders have Fargas who is getting paid some cash and Mcfadden as well. They really don't need Bush that bad, so they might be willing to let him go for rather cheap.

Maybe JJ and a 5th rounder. If they say no, I would have no problem trading JJ and one of our 4th rounders.

Ole Miss Texan
03-04-2009, 11:31 AM
I'd do that in a heartbeat.

Unfortunately, Oakland alrady has their Jacoby Jones in Johnny Lee Higgins. He's a young developing WR but is even better at KR/PR than Jacoby is. Raiders will not go for this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzL_X8AzYUo&feature=related

nunusguy
03-04-2009, 11:31 AM
Is this our first Japanese Board member ? Welcome and I gotta second your idea, but I dunno if Big Al is in the market for a WR ?
BTW thanks for the Sushi, I love it and have it almost every Friday night !

Polo
03-04-2009, 11:31 AM
I don't think Bush has a whole lot more value than JJ if any.

D_Money85
03-04-2009, 11:34 AM
Yeah i wouldn't mind seeing this happen. Don't get me wrong i like JJ but i hate holding my breath everytime the ball is in his hands. Plus i hear his additude ain't the best. M Bush is a big bruser would play good behind slaton and being third string on the Rad. he won't play much

WesmanTexanfan
03-04-2009, 11:35 AM
I would be all for this, but I'm sure Bush has more value than JJ.

However the Raiders have Fargas who is getting paid some cash and Mcfadden as well. They really don't need Bush that bad, so they might be willing to let him go for rather cheap.

Maybe JJ and a 5th rounder. If they say no, I would have no problem trading JJ and one of our 4th rounders.

ya, this guy is exactly what we need too, a big brusing back with speed who can hit holes. I remember thinking he was a less agile Adrian Peterson in college, I saw him straight run over some people....

Texecutioner
03-04-2009, 11:37 AM
Is this our first Japanese Board member ? Welcome and I gotta second your idea, but I dunno if Big Al is in the market for a WR ?
BTW thanks for the Sushi, I love it and have it almost every Friday night !

Why would the Raiders NOT be in the market for a WR? THey don't even currently have one right now. That is their BIGGEST NEED. That is exactly what they are in the market for. Hell, that is all that was talked about all year long last year was how Russell didn't have any weapons to throw to other than Zach Miller who is a TE. Miller was their best WR last season. The Raiders are one of the dumbest organizations in football and Al Davis loves getting a guy that is talented with speed.

SAMURAITEXAN
03-04-2009, 11:44 AM
I believe I am the first Japanese Board Member and I've been around but I don't post much and just read what is going on with the Texans. The Raiders got one seems to be a legit young WR however, I can't recall young seems to be a legit WR other than Higgins. You can always use another one.

GO TEXANS!!

El Tejano
03-04-2009, 11:47 AM
Why would the Raiders NOT be in the market for a WR? THey don't even currently have one right now. That is their BIGGEST NEED. That is exactly what they are in the market for. Hell, that is all that was talked about all year long last year was how Russell didn't have any weapons to throw to other than Zach Miller who is a TE. Miller was their best WR last season. The Raiders are one of the dumbest organizations in football and Al Davis loves getting a guy that is talented with speed.

With Donald Curry gone, they may need another WR too. I think the sale to the Raiders would be the fact that JJ is a good PR because we can't sale them on his receiving stats.

Mike Kerns
03-04-2009, 11:47 AM
I remember hoping we would pick up Michael Bush in the late rounds in the draft that year. I would love it if he came here. I think his career could take off in our scheme. Not buried behind McFadden & Fargas.

HOU-TEX
03-04-2009, 11:48 AM
IIRC, a team already suggested a trade for Bush and the Raiders informed them that Bush was not going to be traded. I think it was a week or so ago.

Goldensilence
03-04-2009, 11:59 AM
Raiders still have Javon Walker and will probably resign Jerry Porter since he got cut from the Jags. They also just let go of Ronald Curry so that might say how they feel about Johnny Lee Higgins. They're also poised to take a WR in the first or second round and Crabtree becomes a nice option since Housh signed w/ Seattle.


I think the Raiders would more likely want a draft pick and senile as Al is he'll want to improve on the 4th he invested to get Michael Bush. Realistically I'm seeing him wanting a third unless we can pair someone like a JJ to sweeten the deal with a 4th. PErsonally I think there is better value in the third for us to take a RB or BPA however, if Al just wanted a 4th straight up I'd do the deal in a heartbeat.

DiehardChris
03-04-2009, 12:01 PM
I don't think Bush has a whole lot more value than JJ if any.

Jacoby Jones has ZERO value as a wide receiver right now. He's below DAVID ANDERSON on the depth chart! If he had any WR chops at all, he'd instantly a lot more valuable.

Hervoyel
03-04-2009, 12:04 PM
I would be all for this, but I'm sure Bush has more value than JJ.

However the Raiders have Fargas who is getting paid some cash and Mcfadden as well. They really don't need Bush that bad, so they might be willing to let him go for rather cheap.

Maybe JJ and a 5th rounder. If they say no, I would have no problem trading JJ and one of our 4th rounders.

I wouldn't even hesitate there. That would be just abour right if you ask me. Of course the Raiders wouldn't do that either but it's a great fantasy to toy with.

Polo
03-04-2009, 12:09 PM
Jacoby Jones has ZERO value as a wide receiver right now. He's below DAVID ANDERSON on the depth chart! If he had any WR chops at all, he'd instantly a lot more valuable.

Michael Bush is third on his depth chart.....????

Polo
03-04-2009, 12:10 PM
Raiders still have Javon Walker and will probably resign Jerry Porter since he got cut from the Jags. They also just let go of Ronald Curry so that might say how they feel about Johnny Lee Higgins. They're also poised to take a WR in the first or second round and Crabtree becomes a nice option since Housh signed w/ Seattle.


I think the Raiders would more likely want a draft pick and senile as Al is he'll want to improve on the 4th he invested to get Michael Bush. Realistically I'm seeing him wanting a third unless we can pair someone like a JJ to sweeten the deal with a 4th. PErsonally I think there is better value in the third for us to take a RB or BPA however, if Al just wanted a 4th straight up I'd do the deal in a heartbeat.

I'm thinking that Porter would retire before going back to Oakland...or kill himself...

DiehardChris
03-04-2009, 12:11 PM
Michael Bush is third on his depth chart.....????

Yeah, but he's shown several times in game situations that he can play. Jacoby has tanked over and over again as a WR... and his propensity to fumble punt returns almost outweighs his ability to occasionally take one all the way.

When Bush has had a chance - he's played really well.

El Tejano
03-04-2009, 12:12 PM
I hear that Miami is looking for a WR. What do they have that we might want (reasonably for JJ)?

ChampionTexan
03-04-2009, 12:17 PM
I'm thinking that Porter would retire before going back to Oakland...or kill himself...

Apparently, that feeling is mutual...

Raiders try to sign Grove, not Porter
The Raiders continue to try and re-sign center Jake Grove to a deal that will keep him from becoming an unrestricted free agent, but both sides remain apart in terms of money, according to a source close to Grove.

As for bringing back diva wide receiver Jerry Porter, as reported recently by a website or two, the chances are both fat and slim.

"Not going to happen," a team official said, and no, he did not stutter. "Nope. Nuh-uh. No."

SF Gate (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=11&entry_id=36262)

SAMURAITEXAN
03-04-2009, 12:21 PM
This is where I saw about Micheal Bush.

Raiders | M. Bush being shopped
Fri, 27 Feb 2009 19:19:22 -0800

Jim Flynn, of PewterReport.com, reports the Oakland Raiders are shopping RB Michael Bush to several teams.

Hope Al shows some interest in JJ as PR/KR and/or young and fast WR to groom.

GO TEXANS!!

DiehardChris
03-04-2009, 12:28 PM
This is where I saw about Micheal Bush.

Raiders | M. Bush being shopped
Fri, 27 Feb 2009 19:19:22 -0800

Jim Flynn, of PewterReport.com, reports the Oakland Raiders are shopping RB Michael Bush to several teams.

Hope Al shows some interest in JJ as PR/KR and/or young and fast WR to groom.

GO TEXANS!!

They already have a better return man, though. Higgins is arguably the best in the NFL.

Still - I wouldn't mind us sniffing around to see what it would take.

badboy
03-04-2009, 12:33 PM
Raiders still have Javon Walker and will probably resign Jerry Porter since he got cut from the Jags. They also just let go of Ronald Curry so that might say how they feel about Johnny Lee Higgins. They're also poised to take a WR in the first or second round and Crabtree becomes a nice option since Housh signed w/ Seattle.


I think the Raiders would more likely want a draft pick and senile as Al is he'll want to improve on the 4th he invested to get Michael Bush. Realistically I'm seeing him wanting a third unless we can pair someone like a JJ to sweeten the deal with a 4th. PErsonally I think there is better value in the third for us to take a RB or BPA however, if Al just wanted a 4th straight up I'd do the deal in a heartbeat.I agree with your 2nd paragraph. I have us taking Peerman RB in 5th and Gartrell Johnson in 6th. Regardless quality backs should be avail late day 2.

Goatcheese
03-04-2009, 12:51 PM
Jacoby has tanked over and over again as a WR.

Not sure where this is comming from. Every time I've seen JJ thrown the ball it's a big play. JJ makes good adjustments, gets good seperation, and can go up and get the ball. He just hasn't had a lot of opportunities with the coaches preference for DA. With Anderson possibly gone I think we'll see alot more of Jacobi in 2009, barring a trade of course.

DiehardChris
03-04-2009, 12:55 PM
Not sure where this is comming from. Every time I've seen JJ thrown the ball it's a big play. JJ makes good adjustments, gets good seperation, and can go up and get the ball. He just hasn't had a lot of opportunities with the coaches preference for DA. With Anderson possibly gone I think we'll see alot more of Jacobi in 2009, barring a trade of course.

I don't mean on the field - I mean that he's had plenty of chances to move up the depth chart and never took advantage of it.

I wasn't very clear with that comment... bad choice of words - my fault.

Polo
03-04-2009, 12:58 PM
Yeah, but he's shown several times in game situations that he can play. Jacoby has tanked over and over again as a WR... and his propensity to fumble punt returns almost outweighs his ability to occasionally take one all the way.

When Bush has had a chance - he's played really well.

I dunno about that...Jacoby didn't play as much in regualr offensive sets as Bush did...

Albeit he did have a bad year holding onto the football when it came to punt returns, but Devin Hester's fumbles were right there with Jacoby's...He also was near the top of the list in returns for TD's and Punts returned over 20+ yards...Higgins is probably the better of the two in punt returns seeing that he had more attempts, a higher average, no fumbles and just as many touchdowns as Jacoby.

badboy
03-04-2009, 12:59 PM
Not sure where this is comming from. Every time I've seen JJ thrown the ball it's a big play. JJ makes good adjustments, gets good seperation, and can go up and get the ball. He just hasn't had a lot of opportunities with the coaches preference for DA. With Anderson possibly gone I think we'll see alot more of Jacobi in 2009, barring a trade of course.JJ is not known for his receiving skills. Most bad PR is on his return choices and fumbles.

ubecool454
03-04-2009, 01:15 PM
I just bet Kubiak and Smith reads these boards to get a good laugh at some of our ideas on who to trade or acquire. :fans:

DiehardChris
03-04-2009, 01:22 PM
I dunno about that...Jacoby didn't play as much in regualr offensive sets as Bush did...

Yeah - that's because JJ never earned the right to with his practice or play as a WR. Bush DID earn it because he's got a lot of skill and promise, and more importantly - he's actually shown it.

JJ has skill and promise too, but thus far he hasn't showed enough in practice or games to earn a shot to do it on game day. Bush isn't a superstar or anything - but he's earned his playing time and taken advantage of opportunities.

Polo
03-04-2009, 01:30 PM
Yeah - that's because JJ never earned the right to with his practice or play as a WR.


I disagree.

I believe that Jacoby fell out of favor because of his fumbling problems. Before that he was getting good reps as the third/fourth reciver. Had it not been for his fumbling problems Jacoby's playing time may have looked more like Bush's.

Insideop
03-04-2009, 01:35 PM
I just bet Kubiak and Smith reads these boards to get a good laugh at some of our ideas on who to trade or acquire. :fans:

:spit: -----> :thinking: -----> :phone: Hello Al. How are ya doin you ol cryptkeeper?

Aaron
03-04-2009, 01:38 PM
I assume that Rick and Gary will be content with drafting our #2 back. Adding a 4th round pick in the Rosenfels trade should give the FO the flexibility of taking a back in the 3rd round if they so desire.

Ole Miss Texan
03-04-2009, 01:59 PM
Nobody is answering the most important point. Why would the Raiders want Jacoby and what value does he bring to their team?

As mentioned it's not because of his return abilities. It'd be like us trying to trade him to Chicago who has Devin Hester.

Do they need a WR? Yes. but I think they would be looking for someone who could contribute NOW a lot more than Jacoby. JJ is a developmental WR that hasn't showed any major progress in two seasons.

I don't see how the Raiders would be the least bit interested.

Hervoyel
03-04-2009, 02:04 PM
Nobody is answering the most important point. Why would the Raiders want Jacoby and what value does he bring to their team?

As mentioned it's not because of his return abilities. It'd be like us trying to trade him to Chicago who has Devin Hester.

Do they need a WR? Yes. but I think they would be looking for someone who could contribute NOW a lot more than Jacoby. JJ is a developmental WR that hasn't showed any major progress in two seasons.

I don't see how the Raiders would be the least bit interested.

They wouldn't.
None.
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Agreed again.
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Correct.

Hooston Texan
03-04-2009, 02:08 PM
I made this proposal in another thread, but I'd see if Andre Davis would draw interest from Big Al. I just don't think JJ would be enticing at all the Raiders. Davis is absolutely not a slot receiver, but he is a passable #1 as we found out in 2007 when AJ went down. Plus, he has the impressive speed that makes Al drool--though I guess everything makes Al drool these days. We'll tell Al that Andre is the second coming of Cliff Branch . . .

Such a move would pretty much force us to match David Anderson, but I think Bush would be an ideal fit for this offense. It would also make WR a need, and I think that is one of the positions where we may expect to find value in the first round (Maclin, Havin) or some real gems in the third (Dillard and others).

Aaron
03-04-2009, 02:19 PM
I made this proposal in another thread, but I'd see if Andre Davis would draw interest from Big Al. I just don't think JJ would be enticing at all the Raiders. Davis is absolutely not a slot receiver, but he is a passable #1 as we found out in 2007 when AJ went down. Plus, he has the impressive speed that makes Al drool--though I guess everything makes Al drool these days. We'll tell Al that Andre is the second coming of Cliff Branch . . .

Such a move would pretty much force us to match David Anderson, but I think Bush would be an ideal fit for this offense. It would also make WR a need, and I think that is one of the positions where we may expect to find value in the first round (Maclin, Havin) or some real gems in the third (Dillard and others).

I doubt Andre Davis would draw much interest either. I would support Kubiak and co if they wanted to send a 4th and JJ to Oakland for Bush...

Ole Miss Texan
03-04-2009, 02:20 PM
I made this proposal in another thread, but I'd see if Andre Davis would draw interest from Big Al. I just don't think JJ would be enticing at all the Raiders. Davis is absolutely not a slot receiver, but he is a passable #1 as we found out in 2007 when AJ went down. Plus, he has the impressive speed that makes Al drool--though I guess everything makes Al drool these days. We'll tell Al that Andre is the second coming of Cliff Branch . . .

Such a move would pretty much force us to match David Anderson, but I think Bush would be an ideal fit for this offense. It would also make WR a need, and I think that is one of the positions where we may expect to find value in the first round (Maclin, Havin) or some real gems in the third (Dillard and others).

I could see Davis as a better option for Oakland but still not sure how much interest they'd have in him. I'd probably do the trade for Bush straight up but then I'd focus on WR early in the draft like you suggested. We got plenty of needs on defense (1 just got addressed during FA) but adding Michael Bush and a WR like Jeremy Maclin would make this offense young and even better.

D_Money85
03-04-2009, 02:26 PM
Or keep JJ and give up our 4th round pick that we got for sage

Aaron
03-04-2009, 02:29 PM
Or keep JJ and give up our 4th round pick that we got for sage

would oakland take that trade??? i very well could be wrong but i doubt it.

JWarren14
03-04-2009, 02:52 PM
I think it would be great to have a backfield with both Slaton and Bush, two promising young RBs. Most of the top FA RBs are gone so it's looking more and more like the draft will be the place where we address the need. I would be willing to part with AD or JJ and a pick no greater than a 3rd for Bush. Assuming there is a trade partner we can trade down in the 1st and pick up another 3rd like we did last year.

Anywho we need depth at RB so Bush or no Bush which ever you prefer we need someone to pound the rock.

badboy
03-04-2009, 02:57 PM
The Texans had a week to match, I 've not heard anything. Isn't time about up? i have already marked him off the roster.

TimeKiller
03-04-2009, 03:11 PM
Didn't we just have this thread? I know it's the offseason and we need things to talk about but Jacoby Jones' trade value in the entire span of the NFL is zero. 0.

David Anderson might get some run but he's looking like he's moving out.

Why not just trade a 3rd for Bush if you want him that bad? We're probably going to spend a pick between 2-5 for at least 1 RB...

ObsiWan
03-04-2009, 03:12 PM
Or keep JJ and give up our 4th round pick that we got for sage

Now yer talkin'

DiehardChris
03-04-2009, 03:30 PM
Andre Davis turned down more money from the Raiders last year to sign with the Texans. If Al still covets him, I could see Davis and a pick for Bush.

Depending on the draft pick, I'd consider that.

Ole Miss Texan
03-04-2009, 04:17 PM
I know he's not the pounder we all want... but we could just wait until Reggie Bush becomes a free agent. I think he'd be a great backup for Slaton. :shades:

Texecutioner
03-04-2009, 04:19 PM
I know he's not the pounder we all want... but we could just wait until Reggie Bush becomes a free agent. I think he'd be a great backup for Slaton. :shades:

I think he would be more of a replacement for Walter at this point than he would for any of our RB's. Bush can't run into the trenches, and Slaton could be just as useful in the passing game as Bush is if we used him enough in that.

barrett
03-04-2009, 05:00 PM
The Texans had a week to match, I 've not heard anything. Isn't time about up? i have already marked him off the roster.

Just matched.

Texans_Chick
03-04-2009, 06:53 PM
I believe I am the first Japanese Board Member and I've been around but I don't post much and just read what is going on with the Texans. The Raiders got one seems to be a legit young WR however, I can't recall young seems to be a legit WR other than Higgins. You can always use another one.

GO TEXANS!!

Hey, I love to see you here!!!! Way to keep us worldwide. :texflag::cool:

threetoedpete
03-05-2009, 02:57 AM
maybe they feel they owe us one after the P-Buc deal?

that'll be the day...

I covet Micheal Bush...assuming there are no lingering effects from the broken leg, I'd be on board....

But isn't he a lead back....a bell cow back. A back you want to feature on twenty touches a game ? I don't think he would be very happy sitting on the sidelines watching Steve.


They paid a four. I wonder if they'd take a five this year and a four next ?

Kmow what else, if Ladainian's toe is chronic and we did want to twist the dagger into Al's Back....trade for Bush and then trade him Back to San Deigo.

threetoedpete
03-05-2009, 03:01 AM
I know he's not the pounder we all want... but we could just wait until Reggie Bush becomes a free agent. I think he'd be a great backup for Slaton. :shades:

Gotta figure all the St Vincent fans are getting hot again. Wouldn't it be funny if we picked him up for a hundred dollar waiver wire price ...to be the back up for MS in 2010 ?
:chickendance:

SAMURAITEXAN
03-05-2009, 06:02 AM
Hey, I love to see you here!!!! Way to keep us worldwide. :texflag::cool:

Thanks TC. Nice to have a feedback from you again. BTW, I enjoy reading your blog on chronicle.

GO TEXANS!!

ObsiWan
03-05-2009, 08:18 AM
Gotta figure all the St Vincent fans are getting hot again. Wouldn't it be funny if we picked him up for a hundred dollar waiver wire price ...to be the back up for MS in 2010 ?
:chickendance:

You, sir, have a devious mind.
I like that in a person
:D

El Tejano
03-05-2009, 09:36 AM
Gotta figure all the St Vincent fans are getting hot again. Wouldn't it be funny if we picked him up for a hundred dollar waiver wire price ...to be the back up for MS in 2010 ?
:chickendance:

I could just see the promotional pictures now. Mcnair standing between Mario and Vince holding up a big middle finger titled "Who's laughin now?"

CloakNNNdagger
03-05-2009, 08:47 PM
I could just see the promotional pictures now. Mcnair standing between Mario and Vince holding up a big middle finger titled "Who's laughin now?"

I doubt that you could get McNair to pose that picture. But I'm sure the Saint's mom would be glad to stand in for Bob.:cowboy1:

rmartin65
03-05-2009, 10:22 PM
I doubt this trade ever has a shot in hell, but I would love it. Bush is a perfect power back. And to replace JJ I like Larry Beavers, WR from Wesley as a UDFA. 5'10", 175 lbs

2008 Stats
30 receptions, 598 yards (19.9 avg), 6 TD
13 punt returns, 379 yards (29.2 avg), 3 TD
17 kick returns, 672 yards (39.5 avg), 5 TD

2007 Stats
41 receptions, 692 yards (16.9 avg), 7 TD
1 punt return, 7 yards (7.0 avg), O TD
23 kick returns, 702 yards (30.2 avg), 4 TD

Did Not Play in 2006

2005 Stats
48 receptions, 1076 yards (22.4 avg) 15 TD
6 punt returns, 34 yards (5.7 avg), 0 TD
21 kick returns, 477 yards (22.7 avg), 0 TD

2004 Stats
1 kick return for 6 yards

Supposedly runs a 4.28
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Larry+beavers+football&hl=en&emb=0&aq=f#q=%22Larry+Beavers%22+40&hl=en&emb=0

All the stats are from the Wesley football site.

Was AP Little All American as a return specialist this year

BullBlitz
03-05-2009, 10:45 PM
I don't know much about Oakland situation with WR/kick off returner. But, I read somewhere that Oakland is using Michael Bush as a trade bait. Why not one on one trade? JJ may has some value to Raiders as a kick off returner and future young and fast WR to groom.

GO TEXANS!!

"....to groom." That's the understatement of the year.

Ole Miss Texan
03-05-2009, 11:28 PM
"....to groom." That's the understatement of the year.
Yea, we've been doing that for two years and there's little progress to show for it. I'll be fine if we keep Jacoby, but he's going to be the 5th or 6th on the depth chart. I still think he has potential to develop into a good WR, he's just got to get his head screwed on straight. Once his maturity "turns the corner" he could become really good.

CloakNNNdagger
03-06-2009, 08:09 AM
Yea, we've been doing that for two years and there's little progress to show for it. I'll be fine if we keep Jacoby, but he's going to be the 5th or 6th on the depth chart. I still think he has potential to develop into a good WR, he's just got to get his head screwed on straight. Once his maturity "turns the corner" he could become really good.

It was Nick Saban who once said that NFL players were "too immature to coach." Some players repeatedly prove his point. JJ takes a paycheck in return for at least making an attempt to stay focused and show a mature work ethic. Too bad, these young players have learned from many veterans' tolerated immaturity that they don't necessarily have to put out consistent maximum effort to get paid. This immaturity has given many a "high performing" veteran a pass. But how long do you tolerate immaturity in a player demonstrating questionable erratic performance?

Ole Miss Texan
03-06-2009, 09:56 AM
It was Nick Saban who once said that NFL players were "too immature to coach." Some players repeatedly prove his point. JJ takes a paycheck in return for at least making an attempt to stay focused and show a mature work ethic. Too bad, these young players have learned from many veterans' tolerated immaturity that they don't necessarily have to put out consistent maximum effort to get paid. This immaturity has given many a "high performing" veteran a pass. But how long do you tolerate immaturity in a player demonstrating questionable erratic performance?

Very good points. I see Gary Kubiak as a pretty no nonsense kind of guy. He wants the guy that's going to give 100% every play for him. While many may want us to take the approaches of high risk high reward type of players, I really respect Kubiak for getting the guys (primarily depth guys) that fit into his philosophy and put the team first.:texflag:

badboy
03-06-2009, 12:15 PM
Very good points. I see Gary Kubiak as a pretty no nonsense kind of guy. He wants the guy that's going to give 100% every play for him. While many may want us to take the approaches of high risk high reward type of players, I really respect Kubiak for getting the guys (primarily depth guys) that fit into his philosophy and put the team first.:texflag:How about a talk "JJ, love ya kid but we've decided to cut you. We ae going to make the move during TC rather than now because I think you should have one final shot. I guess it is possible you could change our minds but it is up to you. You want to use my telephone to call your mama and tell her you will not be jumping into her arms anymore? I'll step out now and give you and your moms a private moment."

RipTraxx
03-06-2009, 03:36 PM
The man has had two full season to learn from the best WR in the league and it hasnt taken. Cut him loose.

2 punt returns in two years really isnt that big of an accomplishment.

I dont blame the texans for the pic. He had a lot of potential...but as every football commentator has said "potential gets you fired...what have you done for me lately"

threetoedpete
03-06-2009, 04:01 PM
So we've reached the Jerome Mathis line with J.J. huh ?

WesmanTexanfan
03-06-2009, 04:04 PM
The man has had two full season to learn from the best WR in the league and it hasnt taken. Cut him loose.

2 punt returns in two years really isnt that big of an accomplishment.

I dont blame the texans for the pic. He had a lot of potential...but as every football commentator has said "potential gets you fired...what have you done for me lately"

I like what Mr. RipTraxx said....

And with who we have in front of him he's not going to get the play he needs to develop unless he starts burning it in practice. Does Anderson return kicks or punts?

RipTraxx
03-06-2009, 04:13 PM
I like what Mr. RipTraxx said....

And with who we have in front of him he's not going to get the play he needs to develop unless he starts burning it in practice. Does Anderson return kicks or punts?

Dont think so. He isnt really all that fast from what i see.

His game is route running and blocking.

El Tejano
03-06-2009, 04:17 PM
Anderson does/can return punts. Matter of fact, if you recall he fumbled one against Tennessee. I think in that heart breaker game.

GP
03-06-2009, 04:17 PM
(Yawn)

I think our free agent adventures have come to a close.

Slow news day in the sports world. We don't even have anything to talk about. LOL.

badboy
03-06-2009, 05:28 PM
(Yawn)

I think our free agent adventures have come to a close.

Slow news day in the sports world. We don't even have anything to talk about. LOL.You all can talk about the fun I will have tomorrow on my Yamaha PWC. I traded Sage to get it.