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Hookem Horns
03-03-2009, 11:02 AM
You guys are way overacting about Benson's past problems. You cannot lump him in with Pacman, etc.

The guy was busted for drinking on Lake Travis at Devil's Cove. If that is what it takes then you have to lump me in with Pacman, Tank, etc. When it happened I found that odd because EVERYONE drinks in boats at Devil's Cove. If the cops wanted to they could pull a barge in there and hall 300 people off at a time. That cove is always full of people drinking in boats, that is what they go there to do and the cops just ride around checking people's safety equipment. When I heard about Benson my first thought was "what?, when did it become illegal to drink in Devils Cove?".

I was in a friend's boat in there a few years ago and he forgot to bring a trash bag so his floor was full of beer cans. Several of my friends had been drinking beer all day long. The cops pulled up to us, looked inside (obviously seeing his beer can carpet) and didn't even ask about anyone drinking. They just wanted to check his safety equipment. He checked out and they left. A couple of guys on that boat were pretty plowed.

To my understanding, technically they can bust boaters for DWI however they rarely enforce that on Lake Travis unless someone is just totally out of control. Right or wrong that is the way it is there.

The account I read about what went down with Benson was he wasn't out of control. They just decided to bust him for drinking.

As for DWI on anyone anywhere. How many on this board can HONESTLY say that they have not driven anywhere being over the legal limit? You can be over the legal limit long before you feel intoxicated. I know I have personally seen many fans drinking beer at their tailgate after the game before they drive home.

Believe me, I am not saying "it's no big deal", however to put that guy in a category with thugs is wrong.

dalemurphy
03-03-2009, 11:03 AM
Exactly.

OH NO! Cedric Benson will destroy our team! LOL.

Gaining 700 yards in 10 games, on the BENGALS, is not too shabby.

Rockabilly has a point: If this doesn't get done in the next 24-48 hours...Smithiak will probably say "No deal," and we'll go RB in the draft. Which, crap, that's what we're going to do anyway regardless. No big surprise.

It just might afford us to draft a RB later and not in rounds 1-3.


I'm fine with a Benson signing if:
1. his presence doesn't impact our off-season effort to strenghthen the position.

2. we get him cheap


Look, I think most of us that are concerned about his character are being misunderstood. I'd take a guy like Michael Irvin on my team any day but wouldn't want anything to do with T.O. Michael Irvin was a very good teammate and player regardless of his character flaws. T.O has never had any legal trouble to speak of but is not a good teammate and divides locker rooms. It isn't Ced Benson's arrests that bother me, it is his underwhelming performances and what his former teammates have to say about him.

Texecutioner
03-03-2009, 11:06 AM
You guys are way overacting about Benson's past problems. You cannot lump him in with Pacman, etc.

The guy was busted for drinking on Lake Travis at Devil's Cove. If that is what it takes then you have to lump me in with Pacman, Tank, etc. When it happened I found that odd because EVERYONE drinks in boats at Devil's Cove. If the cops wanted to they could pull a barge in there and hall 300 people off at a time. That cove is always full of people drinking in boats, that is what they go there to do and the cops just ride around checking people's safety equipment. When I heard about Benson my first thought was "what?, when did it become illegal to drink in Devils Cove?".

I was in a friend's boat in there a few years ago and he forgot to bring a trash bag so his floor was full of beer cans. Several of my friends had been drinking beer all day long. The cops pulled up to us, looked inside (obviously seeing his beer can carpet) and didn't even ask about anyone drinking. They just wanted to check his safety equipment. He checked out and they left. A couple of guys on that boat were pretty plowed.

To my understanding, technically they can bust boaters for DWI however they rarely enforce that on Lake Travis unless someone is just totally out of control. Right or wrong that is the way it is there.

The account I read about what went down with Benson was he wasn't out of control. They just decided to bust him for drinking.

As for DWI on anyone anywhere. How many on this board can HONESTLY say that they have not driven anywhere being over the legal limit? You can be over the legal limit long before you feel intoxicated. I know I have personally seen many fans drinking beer at their tailgate after the game before they drive home.

Believe me, I am not saying "it's no big deal", however to put that guy in a category with thugs is wrong.


Those aren't even his main issues. Forget about the criminal stuff. Why are so many people all of a sudden so care free about a career long lazy player that loafs? The only time he has ran hard since coming into the NFL was last season at the very end where he knew he had to if he wanted any sort of decent contract at all.

If he were to come here and run as hard as he did in Cinci, then he could be a great pick up, but if he gets lazy then he could easily become wasted money.

GuerillaBlack
03-03-2009, 11:07 AM
You guys are way overacting about Benson's past problems. You cannot lump him in with Pacman, etc.

The guy was busted for drinking on Lake Travis at Devil's Cove. If that is what it takes then you have to lump me in with Pacman, Tank, etc. When it happened I found that odd because EVERYONE drinks in boats at Devil's Cove. If the cops wanted to they could pull a barge in there and hall 300 people off at a time. That cove is always full of people drinking in boats, that is what they go there to do and the cops just ride around checking people's safety equipment. When I heard about Benson my first thought was "what?, when did it become illegal to drink in Devils Cove?".

I was in a friend's boat in there a few years ago and he forgot to bring a trash bag so his floor was full of beer cans. Several of my friends had been drinking beer all day long. The cops pulled up to us, looked inside (obviously seeing his beer can carpet) and didn't even ask about anyone drinking. They just wanted to check his safety equipment. He checked out and they left. A couple of guys on that boat were pretty plowed.

To my understanding, technically they can bust boaters for DWI however they rarely enforce that on Lake Travis unless someone is just totally out of control. Right or wrong that is the way it is there.

The account I read about what went down with Benson was he wasn't out of control. They just decided to bust him for drinking.

As for DWI on anyone anywhere. How many on this board can HONESTLY say that they have not driven anywhere being over the legal limit? You can be over the legal limit long before you feel intoxicated. I know I have personally seen many fans drinking beer at their tailgate after the game before they drive home.

Believe me, I am not saying "it's no big deal", however to put that guy in a category with thugs is wrong.

You win the debate sir. You win.

MojoMan
03-03-2009, 11:16 AM
Cedric has made some mistakes, but he has been cleared of all criminal charges. His misbehavior has not been nearly as aggregious as that of many other sports stars. I know when I was in my late teens and early 20's I was not any better behaved than what he appears to have been. However, for those who are able to learn from their mistakes, you can very easily get past all of this. I did, many of you have, and so can Cedric.

This is not an unusual phase for a young man to go through. It is what I would call his later adolescent period. It is obviously more than a passing phase for men who continue this into their late 20's and early 30's. And if you are still acting like this into your late 30's or 40's, you might want to consider seeking professional help.

That being said, he has had enough learning opportunities. He needs to make sure he has this stuff straighten out, and that it stays straightened out permanently. If he were to come here and go through another round of this, I think he will be done. But I do not expect that to happen.

If we can get him at a reasonable cost, let's sign him.

MojoMan
03-03-2009, 11:24 AM
John McClain online chat at 11:30, in case anyone is interested:

http://blogs.chron.com/nfl/2009/03/what_do_you_make_of_texans_sig.html

Texecutioner
03-03-2009, 11:26 AM
If we can get him at a reasonable cost, let's sign him.

That is the key. If we can do that then I'm all for it, because his style is exactly what we need. Just don't want to invest much into a career long loafer.

badboy
03-03-2009, 11:27 AM
Why sign a player for a high profile position with so many question marks? Even if he signs a favorable contract, he will be taking reps from other players we can get in draft. I was told he avg 3.5 yds & that is what we got from other FA RBs signed last 2-3 years and they did not pan out. I am very concerned he is not what we need. We can get a solid runner in draft.

Errant Hothy
03-03-2009, 11:29 AM
Why sign a player for a high profile position with so many question marks? Even if he signs a favorable contract, he will be taking reps from other players we can get in draft. I was told he avg 3.5 yds & that is what we got from other FA RBs signed last 2-3 years and they did not pan out. I am very concerned he is not what we need. We can get a solid runner in draft.

The problem with rookie RBs is that all too often they fail to properly pick up blitzers, Slaton was quilt of this last year. If the Texans can sign a reasonable proced FA RB to back up Slaton, then can keep a rookie on the bench will they coach him on blitz pick-up.

I expect them sign an FA RB and to draft an RB.

Specnatz
03-03-2009, 11:31 AM
I guess many of you are happy with our little 8 and 8 team. Perhaps many of you would be more interested in the game of cricket or maybe even chess.

Come on! Can we give it a rest with all this boyscout mentality. The guy rushed for over 700 yards in 10 games and he's coming in to be a backup. He's not coming to teach your sons football team. He's not here to take your daughter to prom, and he a isn't coming to teach vacation bible school. He's coming to play football and he's been cleared of ALL legal issues.

Surely we have enough high character people on this team to help control, mentor, and isolate one ego from effecting the rest of the team.

So signing Benson = winning? Hell it worked for Chicago and Cinci, it has to work for us right? I am fine one way or another but to say that if we do not sign him it means that the team will not win is total crap and looks more like a Tsip talking than a Texans Fan talking.

Like G'Ma said if we do not sign him we can use one of our 4ths on a runningback.

I have made no comments one way or another about his legal issues but the only reason he was cleared of the charges in Austin is because of the college he once played for.

DiehardChris
03-03-2009, 11:32 AM
As for DWI on anyone anywhere. How many on this board can HONESTLY say that they have not driven anywhere being over the legal limit? You can be over the legal limit long before you feel intoxicated. I know I have personally seen many fans drinking beer at their tailgate after the game before they drive home.

Believe me, I am not saying "it's no big deal", however to put that guy in a category with thugs is wrong.

Okay, say you DID get busted in Devil's Cove for drinking. No big deal. I've done it too.

But if you are an NFL player, you JUST GOT BUSTED for an alcohol-related offense (whether it was just or not) and then you get busted AGAIN in a MONTH?

That's a little different than "who among us hasn't driven a little over the legal limit?"

That's STUPIDITY.

Now, sure - he might not be that stupid or immature anymore - but you can't take the short time between offenses out of the equation.

That's a VERY important part of all this for me. If they had been spaced out by a year or two, I'd still think that was ****ty of him - but to get popped twice in that short amount of time - especially when you have a high profile?

Stupid. That should be part of the equation in signing him. It wasn't even a year ago, so for everyone to just nod their heads and assume everything is totally turned around is ridiculous.

Still - if they like what they heard from him and they don't pay ONE PENNY too much, I'm fine with it.

Texecutioner
03-03-2009, 11:38 AM
So signing Benson = winning? Hell it worked for Chicago and Cinci, it has to work for us right? I am fine one way or another but to say that if we do not sign him it means that the team will not win is total crap and looks more like a Tsip talking than a Texans Fan talking.

Like G'Ma said if we do not sign him we can use one of our 4ths on a runningback.

I have made no comments one way or another about his legal issues but the only reason he was cleared of the charges in Austin is because of the college he once played for.

It did not work for Chicago one bit. That is completely false. He was a bust in Chicago and his team hated him. He played horribly over there and anyone who watched those games while he was there couldn't argue that. It was Thomas Jones that carried the load over there. Not Benson.

You're right he played well for Cinci when it was his last chance and he was playing for a contract.

As long as we don't invest to much in him for to long then I'm all for it, but I won't be surprised if it doesn't work out that well knowing how lazy he is and his history of dogging it when he is getting paid.

The Pencil Neck
03-03-2009, 11:40 AM
It did not work for Chicago one bit. That is completely false. He was a bust in Chicago and his team hated him. He played horribly over there and anyone who watched those games while he was there couldn't argue that. It was Thomas Jones that carried the load over there. Not Benson.

You're right he played well for Cinci when it was his last chance and he was playing for a contract.

As long as we don't invest to much in him for to long then I'm all for it, but I won't be surprised if it doesn't work out that well knowing how lazy he is and his history of dogging it when he is getting paid.

I think you missed the point of Specnatz's post.

MojoMan
03-03-2009, 11:40 AM
From the John McClain chat:

11:34 [Comment From Evan]
if benson signs, should we know its going to be a OLB in the first round?

11:35 John McClain: The first round has nothing to do with Benson. They were never going to take an RB before the third or fourth round. I think Benson will re-sign with the Bengals. He can get more money and be the starter.

http://blogs.chron.com/nfl/2009/03/what_do_you_make_of_texans_sig.html

Ole Miss Texan
03-03-2009, 11:40 AM
I think Specnatz was being sarcast. ;)

Specnatz
03-03-2009, 11:42 AM
I will put the sarcasm smiley there next time because the first part of my post was dripping with it. :sarcasm:

Mike Kerns
03-03-2009, 11:50 AM
I agree with Mclain. I think he is going back with Cincy. Rockabilly hit the nail on the head: We usually wrap things up before they leave town. He must have wanted too much green.

El Tejano
03-03-2009, 11:51 AM
I guess we better hope that AJ never gets a citation or violation for anything because if he does, he should be kicked off the team right?

Porky
03-03-2009, 11:51 AM
It's his character as a football player that is most concerning to me. Ya, the dope smoking and excessive partying play into it because you don't know if you can rely on a guy like, but the most concerning thing is his on-field character and his locker room character. His history is less than steller in that area.

Texans Pride
03-03-2009, 11:56 AM
So signing Benson = winning? Hell it worked for Chicago and Cinci, it has to work for us right? I am fine one way or another but to say that if we do not sign him it means that the team will not win is total crap and looks more like a Tsip talking than a Texans Fan talking.

Like G'Ma said if we do not sign him we can use one of our 4ths on a runningback.

I have made no comments one way or another about his legal issues but the only reason he was cleared of the charges in Austin is because of the college he once played for.

No, signing one single player rarely, if ever, single-handedly determines a season for a team. However it is these types of decisions, collectively, which determines a team's future. This is only one piece, out of several, that will make an impact on this teams future.

And don't worry, I'm a fan, you can sleep well at night rather than staying up thinking about my loyalty :)

DiehardChris
03-03-2009, 11:57 AM
I guess we better hope that AJ never gets a citation or violation for anything because if he does, he should be kicked off the team right?

No, but if he gets busted for similar offenses twice in a month - I think we'd have pretty serious issues with it.

GP
03-03-2009, 12:01 PM
It's not about really the high profile stuff, but when it comes to a guy that is lazy and doesn't work hard at all and proves it time and time again that is a HUGE PROBLEM when you invest a lot of money in them. The arrest stuff is the minor issue. When Benson was being paid a lot of money he wouldn't work hard or show up on Sunday. Last year though when his back was against the wall and barely even in the league and playing for a contract he was running harder than I've ever seen him run. You pay him a good chunk of cash, you face the risk of him dogging it again.

I find it funny though how some posters in here are afraid of top players when it comes to certain free agents or guys that could be acquired in a trade and where they are one of the best at their position where we have huge needs, but yet are dying for Benson to come here who isn't even close to being a top RB in the league and has always had a reputation for being lazy.

I think you can go from being a top RB to a scrub in a short time. And I think you can go from being a no-name, or an under-achiever, to a decent or even good RB in a short time. It's all about timing, finding the right team, and injuries.

LT is probably done, and he was just in his prime and looked like nothing could stop him. That's it, See ya later. He'll land on some other team and dwindle away. And he'll be a commentator for some network, and do a great job of being "The pro who used to be there, and now he's our voice inside the huddle...blah blah blah"

Shaun Alexander is done. Where's Jamal Lewis? He was the cat's pajamas in Baltimore, went to Cleveland and didn't do well, then had a decent recovery in Cleveland, and is now off track again.

My point is that Cedric screwed up in Chicago. he got offended at Thomas Jones and how much more Jones was liked/favored, and it caused him to sour on the whole NFL experience. He chose to get a bad attitude, and it affected his play. He rebounded in Cincy. Nobody can deny that.

I am no UT fan boy (Red Raiders all the way). But the smearing of this guy is laughable.

I personally like the idea of Steve coming out of the game and here comes Cedric Benson through the hole that the ZBS created. In our game against Cincy, I noticed that if someone didn't get at Cedric's knees or lower at the line of scrimmage, the guy was reeling off 10-yarders before being tackled. He's a different runner from Slaton.

I like how they contrast to one another. Moats just looks and runs like Steve, IMO. You want that true "Change of pace" runner because it makes the defense shift focus from one guy to another all game long...and they better not forget how to tackle against each of them.

I will admit that I am concerned about his focus and past laziness as you described. Will he revert back to that if he comes to Texas and plays so near to Austin? Will we see a guy pulling a Vince Young and hanging out in Austin as if he's never graduated? That is a very legitimate concern.

But I think he proved in Cincy that he still wants to play, and that he can still play. Chicago was just the wrong place to be, and he admits he didn't have his head on his shoulders, too.

MojoMan
03-03-2009, 12:02 PM
[Comment From Sammy]
When will we release Chris Brown? Do we have to wait until he passes a physical? Or do you think the team seriously considers him a viable option this year? If so, that's disappointing given his injury history and lack of special teams play

12:00 John McClain: No, I don't think the team considers him a viable option. He's hurt all the time.

WesmanTexanfan
03-03-2009, 12:05 PM
Hmmmmm....???

1. Chris Wells, Ohio State (Junior)
2. Knowshon Moreno, Georgia (3rd year sophomore)
3. LeSean McCoy, Pitt (3rd year sophomore)
4. James Davis, Clemson
5. Javon Ringer, Michigan State
6. C.J. Spiller, Clemson (Junior)
7. Mike Goodson, Texas A&M (Junior)
8. Marlon Lucky, Nebraska
9. DeMarco Murray, Oklahoma (3rd year sophomore)
10. Arian Foster, Tennessee
11. Keegan Herring, Arizona State
12. P.J. Hill, Wisconsin (Junior)
13. Ben Tate, Auburn (Junior)
14. Damion Fletcher, Southern Miss (Junior)
15. Mikell Simpson, Virginia (Junior)
16. Tyrell Sutton, Northwestern
17. Ian Johnson, Boise State
18. Keiland Williams, LSU (Junior)
19. Maurice Wells, Ohio State
20. Jorvorskie Lane, Texas A&M (FB)
21. Javarris James, Miami (Junior)
22. Andre Brown, NC State
23. Anthony Allen, Louisville (Junior)
24. Kory Sheets, Purdue
25. Rodney Ferguson, New Mexico

Texecutioner
03-03-2009, 12:07 PM
I think you can go from being a top RB to a scrub in a short time. And I think you can go from being a no-name, or an under-achiever, to a decent or even good RB in a short time. It's all about timing, finding the right team, and injuries.

LT is probably done, and he was just in his prime and looked like nothing could stop him. That's it, See ya later. He'll land on some other team and dwindle away. And he'll be a commentator for some network, and do a great job of being "The pro who used to be there, and now he's our voice inside the huddle...blah blah blah"

Shaun Alexander is done. Where's Jamal Lewis? He was the cat's pajamas in Baltimore, went to Cleveland and didn't do well, then had a decent recovery in Cleveland, and is now off track again.

My point is that Cedric screwed up in Chicago. he got offended at Thomas Jones and how much more Jones was liked/favored, and it caused him to sour on the whole NFL experience. He chose to get a bad attitude, and it affected his play. He rebounded in Cincy. Nobody can deny that.

I am no UT fan boy (Red Raiders all the way). But the smearing of this guy is laughable.

I personally like the idea of Steve coming out of the game and here comes Cedric Benson through the hole that the ZBS created. In our game against Cincy, I noticed that if someone didn't get at Cedric's knees or lower at the line of scrimmage, the guy was reeling off 10-yarders before being tackled. He's a different runner from Slaton.

I like how they contrast to one another. Moats just looks and runs like Steve, IMO. You want that true "Change of pace" runner because it makes the defense shift focus from one guy to another all game long...and they better not forget how to tackle against each of them.

I will admit that I am concerned about his focus and past laziness as you described. Will he revert back to that if he comes to Texas and plays so near to Austin? Will we see a guy pulling a Vince Young and hanging out in Austin as if he's never graduated? That is a very legitimate concern.

But I think he proved in Cincy that he still wants to play, and that he can still play. Chicago was just the wrong place to be, and he admits he didn't have his head on his shoulders, too.

Again GP, if we could get him for the right deal, then I'm fine with it. I agree with you completely that he is a great compliment to Slaton. I've just known a few guys that know Benson personally and have heard a lot of stories about how lazy he can be and how his focus can shift a lot. It did at Texas all the time, but he was so talented that he could still have huge games in college. His problem was that he thought he could still continue that in the NFL and he still didn't get it even after his first season, or the second season, and then when everyone thought he would in his 3rd season he still didn't get it. He didn't get it until he was out of the league and Cinci took a shot at him and he was playing for a contract.

If it isn't to much or to long of an investment then I'll be fine with it. Just nothing long term where if it doesn't work out we're stuck with him or we'll have to pay a big fee to release him.

GP
03-03-2009, 12:08 PM
[Comment From Sammy]
When will we release Chris Brown? Do we have to wait until he passes a physical? Or do you think the team seriously considers him a viable option this year? If so, that's disappointing given his injury history and lack of special teams play

12:00 John McClain: No, I don't think the team considers him a viable option. He's hurt all the time.

See? Now THAT is the sort of thing that I was SCREAMING AND FUMING about last season. But GP, he's not costing us much...if he works he works, and if not then we cut him...it's no big deal.

That sort of signing was foolish. And then we didn't even give Cedric a chance to try out or visit us? LOL. Alrighty.....

Maybe Smithiak had to see how Cedric did on another team, let the other team be the guinea pig in the Benson experiment. But I know that I'd take 100 yards from Cedric and 100 yards from Slaton every dadgum game.

OK, if the money is not stupid crazy. AND if the guy shows some humility and some self control throughout the negotiations, what's so bad about giving him a shot when we took on a clearly washed up Chris Brown and tried to prop him up as a viable option at RB?

I guess I just don't get it. Benson appears to have grown (even if it's a little) and he didn't stink it up in Cincy (a pathetically weak team, correct?).

I'm just ready to be done one way or the other, I guess.

GP
03-03-2009, 12:11 PM
Again GP, if we could get him for the right deal, then I'm fine with it. I agree with you completely that he is a great compliment to Slaton. I've just known a few guys that know Benson personally and have heard a lot of stories about how lazy he can be and how his focus can shift a lot. It did at Texas all the time, but he was so talented that he could still have huge games in college. His problem was that he thought he could still continue that in the NFL and he still didn't get it even after his first season, or the second season, and then when everyone thought he would in his 3rd season he still didn't get it. He didn't get it until he was out of the league and Cinci took a shot at him and he was playing for a contract.

If it isn't to much or to long of an investment then I'll be fine with it. Just nothing long term where if it doesn't work out we're stuck with him or we'll have to pay a big fee to release him.

And I agree. Heck, make it a one-year deal with an option to extend or something, and kick in bonuses if he plays x-amount of games and has no disciplinary issues, etc., to escalate the contract.

He's coming to an infinitely better team than Cincy. If he wants to be a part of that and showcase his stuff on a GOOD team (ours) then he needs to wise up and see the value of a contract that might not be fully guaranteed.

Goldensilence
03-03-2009, 12:15 PM
I'm really getting a kick how some people are smearing the guy.

I think Chicago was a case of wrong place wrong time. FO and Lovie might've wanted Ced because at the time he probably was BPA at a spot that maybe they felt could be more explosive. From the sounds of it the team resented him for leap frogging Jones.

I think the consensus is sign him for the right deal and if it pans out great. Possible low to medium risk and high reward.

Polo
03-03-2009, 12:16 PM
I doubt Benson signs with us, but if he did I'd have no problem with it at all...

Texecutioner
03-03-2009, 12:19 PM
And I agree. Heck, make it a one-year deal with an option to extend or something, and kick in bonuses if he plays x-amount of games and has no disciplinary issues, etc., to escalate the contract.

He's coming to an infinitely better team than Cincy. If he wants to be a part of that and showcase his stuff on a GOOD team (ours) then he needs to wise up and see the value of a contract that might not be fully guaranteed.

Exactly. Then we could keep him motivated and put ourselves in a position where he has to play hard every week. The problem is he probably wants a long term deal and wouldn't sign a contract like that.

Texans_Chick
03-03-2009, 12:34 PM
Okay, say you DID get busted in Devil's Cove for drinking. No big deal. I've done it too.

But if you are an NFL player, you JUST GOT BUSTED for an alcohol-related offense (whether it was just or not) and then you get busted AGAIN in a MONTH?

That's a little different than "who among us hasn't driven a little over the legal limit?"

That's STUPIDITY.

Now, sure - he might not be that stupid or immature anymore - but you can't take the short time between offenses out of the equation.

That's a VERY important part of all this for me. If they had been spaced out by a year or two, I'd still think that was ****ty of him - but to get popped twice in that short amount of time - especially when you have a high profile?

Stupid. That should be part of the equation in signing him. It wasn't even a year ago, so for everyone to just nod their heads and assume everything is totally turned around is ridiculous.

Still - if they like what they heard from him and they don't pay ONE PENNY too much, I'm fine with it.


I know that the following will sound like being a bit of an apologist, but here goes:

1. Given the public information released about the boat incident, one might be able to argue that it was Benson who was wronged in the way he got arrested. He may have been busted for B(WithLotsOfWhiteWomen)WB. It is not surprising those charges were dropped.

2. Once you have been arrested for an alcohol-related offense, you are more likely to get arrested for another alcohol related offense. The police officers will look up your license. The field sobriety tests that you do are so subjective that they can just up and decide that you failed for whatever reasons they want you to.

I do not like our society (and the NFL) that decides that just arrests are enough to make someone a turd. Both Fred Weary and Chester Pitts got turd points over at PFT for being arrested, and of course, nobody made as big a deal when the questionable arrests were dropped.

That Benson has acknowledge his issues is A Good Thing.

GP
03-03-2009, 12:40 PM
Exactly. Then we could keep him motivated and put ourselves in a position where he has to play hard every week. The problem is he probably wants a long term deal and wouldn't sign a contract like that.

That's where I hope the Texans can convince him that his career was in the toilet, it made it back to the rim of the toilet, and he can sign with us ON OUR TERMS and realize that his career can jump fully off the toilet. Otherwise, have fun playing on terrible teams and finish out your career like Jamal Lewis is.

DiehardChris
03-03-2009, 12:41 PM
I know that the following will sound like being a bit of an apologist, but here goes:

1. Given the public information released about the boat incident, one might be able to argue that it was Benson who was wronged in the way he got arrested. He may have been busted for B(WithLotsOfWhiteWomen)WB. It is not surprising those charges were dropped.

2. Once you have been arrested for an alcohol-related offense, you are more likely to get arrested for another alcohol related offense. The police officers will look up your license. The field sobriety tests that you do are so subjective that they can just up and decide that you failed for whatever reasons they want you to.

I do not like our society (and the NFL) that decides that just arrests are enough to make someone a turd. Both Fred Weary and Chester Pitts got turd points over at PFT for being arrested, and of course, nobody made as big a deal when the questionable arrests were dropped.

That Benson has acknowledge his issues is A Good Thing.

I get that he might be a "target" after the first arrest - but that doesn't make any difference to me. It was a MONTH later! You have millions - call a cab. Have a friend drive you, whatever. Honestly - the boat thing doesn't bother me at all. It's not like he was speeding around the lake looking to run people down. Like someone said before - that's what happens there. You go out, have some beers, and enjoy the sun. That's living in Austin. I've done it, and I'll do it again.

But anyway - you have to be more aware after it happens the first time. Especially with all you have at stake being a millionaire NFLer.

Sure, he's saying all the right things - but who wouldn't?

Still, for the right price - bring him in. I'm not at all married to this character policy the Texans have... never have been. This guy isn't Pacman.

TimeKiller
03-03-2009, 12:44 PM
2. Once you have been arrested for an alcohol-related offense, you are more likely to get arrested for another alcohol related offense. The police officers will look up your license. The field sobriety tests that you do are so subjective that they can just up and decide that you failed for whatever reasons they want you to.
I'm not agreeing with you because I want Benson, I'm just agreeing with you because I got in a heap of trouble for "failing" wink wink wink freaking WINK a field sobriety test. Mostly due to the cop being an ass, partly mine for being a prick when I know I shouldn't have.

I do not like our society (and the NFL) that decides that just arrests are enough to make someone a turd. Both Fred Weary and Chester Pitts got turd points over at PFT for being arrested, and of course, nobody made as big a deal when the questionable arrests were dropped.

That Benson has acknowledge his issues is A Good Thing.
More good points that still don't make me want Cedric Benson.

Texans_Chick
03-03-2009, 12:45 PM
I get that he might be a "target" after the first arrest - but that doesn't make any difference to me. It was a MONTH later! You have millions - call a cab. Have a friend drive you, whatever. Honestly - the boat thing doesn't bother me at all. It's not like he was speeding around the lake looking to run people down. Like someone said before - that's what happens there. You go out, have some beers, and enjoy the sun. That's living in Austin. I've done it, and I'll do it again.

But anyway - you have to be more aware after it happens the first time. Especially with all you have at stake being a millionaire NFLer.

Sure, he's saying all the right things - but who wouldn't?

Still, for the right price - bring him in. I'm not at all married to this character policy the Texans have... never have been. This guy isn't Pacman.

I just mention it because it happens all the time. Not just to young NFLers, but to people in all walks of life. My husband has one client who doesn't drink and has a medical condition that makes him look a little weird but doesn't effect his driving. That client has been arrested for suspicion of DWI four times.

TexansFanatic
03-03-2009, 12:50 PM
I know that the following will sound like being a bit of an apologist, but here goes:

1. Given the public information released about the boat incident, one might be able to argue that it was Benson who was wronged in the way he got arrested. He may have been busted for B(WithLotsOfWhiteWomen)WB. It is not surprising those charges were dropped.

2. Once you have been arrested for an alcohol-related offense, you are more likely to get arrested for another alcohol related offense. The police officers will look up your license. The field sobriety tests that you do are so subjective that they can just up and decide that you failed for whatever reasons they want you to.

I do not like our society (and the NFL) that decides that just arrests are enough to make someone a turd. Both Fred Weary and Chester Pitts got turd points over at PFT for being arrested, and of course, nobody made as big a deal when the questionable arrests were dropped.

That Benson has acknowledge his issues is A Good Thing.

Excellent post. This thread is in need of a Biblical reference:

"Let he among you who is without sin cast the first stone."

For Pete's sake, it's not like Ced robbed a liquor store or beat up his girlfriend. It's not like he was even convicted of anything. Sign the guy and let's see how he does. Geez.

Runner
03-03-2009, 12:50 PM
Does it really need to be said that NOT everyone who is in favor of Benson here is a UT homer? I guess I'll point out that such claims are nothing more than argumentum ad hominem and leave it at that.

I think Benson's potential value to the team is not as a hundred yard per game rusher or as a frequent game breaker. That would be nice, but that is what Slaton is for. Benson needs to do the things Slaton can't. First he needs to be able to convert crucial 3rd/4th and short opportunities. Those are the game changers the team would need from him. Second he would need to play adequately when Slaton is resting. Pretty simple.

Yards per carry stats don't tell the story that needs evaluated to see if he can contribute. The coaches need to decide if he can get the tough yards and decide what that is worth. Cedric has to decide if he can be a role player and be happy with the price.

I think the fans are worrying about this one much more than the coaches are. I doubt the players are sweating his influence in the least either, other than the running backs down the depth charts.

HOU-TEX
03-03-2009, 01:28 PM
I know that the following will sound like being a bit of an apologist, but here goes:

1. Given the public information released about the boat incident, one might be able to argue that it was Benson who was wronged in the way he got arrested. He may have been busted for B(WithLotsOfWhiteWomen)WB. It is not surprising those charges were dropped.

2. Once you have been arrested for an alcohol-related offense, you are more likely to get arrested for another alcohol related offense. The police officers will look up your license. The field sobriety tests that you do are so subjective that they can just up and decide that you failed for whatever reasons they want you to.

I do not like our society (and the NFL) that decides that just arrests are enough to make someone a turd. Both Fred Weary and Chester Pitts got turd points over at PFT for being arrested, and of course, nobody made as big a deal when the questionable arrests were dropped.

That Benson has acknowledge his issues is A Good Thing.

I'm remaining neutral on this potential signing. That said, wasn't there a picture floating around last year with Ced on a boat twisting one up? It was around the time of the arrest and I think his Momma was even on board. :thinking:

Silver Oak
03-03-2009, 01:30 PM
LOL...who would have predicted a 15 page thread discussing Cedric Benson?

Lord but we are some football crazy folks.

TexansFanatic
03-03-2009, 01:33 PM
Looks like the Bengals have increased their offer to Benson.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=3139&line=140653&spln=1

Tailgate
03-03-2009, 01:44 PM
Looks like the Bengals have increased their offer to Benson.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=3139&line=140653&spln=1

Yeah.. McClain in his chat today predicted that he will be going back to Cincy for this reason. That, and he would be getting more carries there.

TexansFanatic
03-03-2009, 01:47 PM
Too bad. I was looking forward to having Ced in Houston. Looks like Cincy wins.

Mike Kerns
03-03-2009, 01:57 PM
Looks like the Bengals have increased their offer to Benson.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=3139&line=140653&spln=1

Oh well...

Texan_Bill
03-03-2009, 02:06 PM
I'm remaining neutral on this potential signing. That said, wasn't there a picture floating around last year with Ced on a boat twisting one up? It was around the time of the arrest and I think his Momma was even on board. :thinking:

He was holding a card for his mother:

http://www.profootballtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/bensonmothersday.jpg




Okay, actual pic:

http://www.intentionalfoul.com/images/cedricbensonparty.jpg

Tin foil on your lap and a package of zig-zags isn't exactly incriminating.

Polo
03-03-2009, 02:08 PM
What about the blunt in his right hand ? :tinfoil:

GP
03-03-2009, 02:11 PM
He was holding a card for his mother:

http://www.profootballtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/bensonmothersday.jpg




Okay, actual pic:

http://www.intentionalfoul.com/images/cedricbensonparty.jpg

Tin foil on your lap and a package of zig-zags isn't exactly incriminating.

Oopsie!

What a way to celebrate Mother's Day: On a boat, with a doobie, and a lot of ladies in bikinis.

"Happy Mother's Day."

LOL.

(sigh)

Texans Pride
03-03-2009, 02:12 PM
Hey is that whoopie Goldberg in the boat with them?

Polo
03-03-2009, 02:15 PM
Hey is that whoopie Goldberg in the boat with them?

No, that's Cedric Benson. :tease:

Hookem Horns
03-03-2009, 02:15 PM
I think you guys are overreacting.

Who here has never celebrated Mother's Day with you mother on Lake Travis (at Devil's Cove) smoking a joint with a bunch of girls in bikinis?

C'mon.

TexansFanatic
03-03-2009, 02:21 PM
I think you guys are overreacting.

Who here has never celebrated Mother's Day with you mother on Lake Travis (at Devil's Cove) smoking a joint with a bunch of girls in bikinis?

C'mon.

I might have called my mom from the boat, but she wasn't there...

TEXANS84
03-03-2009, 02:30 PM
Girl in the white is his girlfriend.

Goldensilence
03-03-2009, 02:50 PM
At least the pic isn't like Vince in the "club". Just sayin'.

Texan_Bill
03-03-2009, 02:58 PM
I think you guys are overreacting.

Who here has never celebrated Mother's Day with you mother on Lake Travis (at Devil's Cove) smoking a joint with a bunch of girls in bikinis?

C'mon.

*hangs head in shame* My bad!!!

texanfan2002114
03-03-2009, 03:04 PM
Take Benson off the board


http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/sports/090303_benson_agrees_bengals_contract


HOUSTON - Free agent runningback Cedric Benson has decided to return to the Cincinnati Bengals. FOX 26 Sports has learned Benson has agreed to a two-year deal with the Bengals

The Texans' courtship of free agent running back Cedric Benson is over. He signed a two-year, $7 million contract with Cincinnati,

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/6291686.html

GP
03-03-2009, 03:05 PM
Looks like the Bengals have increased their offer to Benson.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=3139&line=140653&spln=1

Oh, the old Free Agent Shuffle: Houston Mix, eh?

First step: Become a free agent

Second step: Get on a plane

Third step: Fly to Houston

And finish with a big RE-SIGN with your current team!

Now you're doing the Free Agent Shuffle: Houston Mix! :splits:

GuerillaBlack
03-03-2009, 03:07 PM
Peace out Benson.

GP
03-03-2009, 03:11 PM
Take Benson off the board


http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/sports/090303_benson_agrees_bengals_contract


HOUSTON - Free agent runningback Cedric Benson has decided to return to the Cincinnati Bengals. FOX 26 Sports has learned Benson has agreed to a two-year deal with the Bengals

(in a whiny teenager voice) "But DAD!"

Dad: "Shut your trap, son. I said you'll only get your Benson if it's a good deal. We looked into it, and it's not going to happen. And that's the end of it."

Teenager: "Cincinatti got THEM a Benson! We'll never have someone with street cred. Sometimes I wish we had a Mathis or even a Pacman"

Dad: "Oh, is that right? Well maybe you should just go live with Al Davis or Uncle Jerry. Maybe that would make you happy!"

Teenager: "MAYBE I WILL!"

Dad: "FINE!"

(doors slamming)

Teenager: "I HATE YOU!"

Thorn
03-03-2009, 03:12 PM
(in a whiny teenager voice) "But DAD!"

Dad: "Shut your trap, son. I said you'll only get your Benson if it's a good deal. We looked into it, and it's not going to happen. And that's the end of it."

Teenager: "Cincinatti got THEM a Benson! We'll never have someone with street cred. Sometimes I wish we even had a Mathis or a Pacman"

Dad: "Oh, is that right? Well maybe you should just go live with Al Davis or Uncle Jerry. maybe that would make you happy!"

Teenager: "MAYBE I WILL!"

(doors slamming)

LOL....<must spread rep>

TEXANS84
03-03-2009, 03:17 PM
2 years, 7 million is way too steep for Cedric.

Texecutioner
03-03-2009, 03:18 PM
Oh, the old Free Agent Shuffle: Houston Mix, eh?

First step: Become a free agent

Second step: Get on a plane

Third step: Fly to Houston

And finish with a big RE-SIGN with your current team!

Now you're doing the Free Agent Shuffle: Houston Mix! :splits:

I had a feeling that this deal wasn't going to get done.

However not knowing the specifics this doesn't seem like such a bad deal since it is only for two years. 7 Million wasn't that much money at all if they get some pretty production out of him. I wouldn't have had to much of a problem if the Texans actually did this deal. I figured that if we would have signed him it would have been for more, but this doesn't seem like all that much really.

Hookem Horns
03-03-2009, 03:19 PM
He didn't sign with the Texans?? Oh well, the guy was a drunken, pot smokin thug anyway.

GuerillaBlack
03-03-2009, 03:21 PM
He didn't sign with the Texans?? Oh well, the guy was a drunken, pot smokin thug anyway.

Hey, I see what you did there.

HOU-TEX
03-03-2009, 03:21 PM
He didn't sign with the Texans?? Oh well, the guy was a drunken, pot smokin thug anyway.

LMAO! Good call. :spit:

badboy
03-03-2009, 03:25 PM
What about the blunt in his right hand ? :tinfoil:Blunt? (Jedi mind thinggy). What Blunt? + he was opening the beer FOR mom. And that blond in the white bikini in the back ground could be my next ex-wife and I'll guarantee her a contract that she will not have to open beers or even cook for that matter. Oh, wait my boat is now a jet ski. At least it is a 3 person ride.:smiliedance:

DiehardChris
03-03-2009, 03:28 PM
Yay, we can put this to bed for two more seasons.

Hervoyel
03-03-2009, 04:03 PM
Yay, we can put this to bed for two more seasons.

Nope. I think it's done for good. Benson will either keep making progress as a Bengal and will earn his $7 million dollars with a pair of 1400 yard seasons (give or take) or he'll do what Texecutioner has been saying he was worried about and go back there and kick back. Either way we won't see Cedric again.

If he plays hard and starts racking up the yards then the Bengals will hang on to him until he's done or near done (whereupon the Patriots will sign him and get another two years out of him).

If he goes back to Cincy and it turns out that last year was his best year ever in the NFL then he'll be out of football before that contract is up.

Either way we don't have to worry about talking Cedric Benson ever again. I'm good with that.

El Tejano
03-03-2009, 04:06 PM
So what FA running back is still worthy of a looksee? I say Michael Pittman or Dominic Rhodes should be next on our list.

Malloy
03-03-2009, 04:21 PM
(in a whiny teenager voice) "But DAD!"

Dad: "Shut your trap, son. I said you'll only get your Benson if it's a good deal. We looked into it, and it's not going to happen. And that's the end of it."

Teenager: "Cincinatti got THEM a Benson! We'll never have someone with street cred. Sometimes I wish we had a Mathis or even a Pacman"

Dad: "Oh, is that right? Well maybe you should just go live with Al Davis or Uncle Jerry. Maybe that would make you happy!"

Teenager: "MAYBE I WILL!"

Dad: "FINE!"

(doors slamming)

Teenager: "I HATE YOU!"


Winnah!

Thanks man, coffee all over now.. :)

Porky
03-03-2009, 04:27 PM
Good. Let Cincy keep the loser.

Let's take a good young one cut type back in the 3rd-5th round and that should be more than sufficient.

Runner
03-03-2009, 04:31 PM
Oh, the old Free Agent Shuffle: Houston Mix, eh?

First step: Become a free agent

Second step: Get on a plane

Third step: Fly to Houston

And finish with a big RE-SIGN with your current team!

Now you're doing the Free Agent Shuffle: Houston Mix! :splits:

If they really wanted him now, it seems the Texans blew it last year when they could have had him cheap. It would have been low cost, medium risk at that point - the price got higher with the lower risk (having had some success last year) this time around.

Jottoz
03-03-2009, 05:57 PM
Call me crazy, I would really like to see what a HEALTHY Chris Brown could do while backing up Slaton and Moats.

Key word being HEALTHY!

Although I am still for signing a big bruising runner in the draft to compete with the stable.

I think the non-signing of Benson might work out better.

TEXANS84
03-03-2009, 06:21 PM
Cedric was offered 2-years 5.5 from the Texans
He took the 2-7.0 from Cinci.

Runner
03-03-2009, 06:50 PM
Cedric was offered 2-years 5.5 from the Texans
He took the 2-7.0 from Cinci.

Sounds like the Texans thought he would fill a need.

mattieuk
03-03-2009, 09:07 PM
Cedric was offered 2-years 5.5 from the Texans
He took the 2-7.0 from Cinci.

Good, good, good. i didnt really want him anyway, but 3.5 would have been wayyyy to much for him. Good evaluating value from the Texans FO, hes not worth more than 2.25 a yaer really to be honest. Good luck for him in Cinci, but lets look for the future back for the Texans, not a oft-arrested, team morale destroying distraction.

Runner
03-03-2009, 09:53 PM
If the Texans think he is worth $5.5M now, they missed a golden opportunity last season. Typically in mid year pick-ups like that a team would pay the player a little bit to finish the year, and then have the next year in the contract at a reasonable price, say a one or two million for Cedric. He probably would have signed that, and it still would have been at little risk to the team. Since NFL contracts aren't guaranteed they could have cut him for free after last season had he acted up.

Backup running back and short yardage pounder may seem a small thing, but small things are what add up to get teams over the hump.

An opportunity missed; a hole yet to fill.

imatexan
03-03-2009, 09:56 PM
Damn.

GP
03-03-2009, 10:18 PM
Winnah!

Thanks man, coffee all over now.. :)

LOL.

I figured SOMEBODY would spray their screen over that one.

All those posts, for nothing. It's like paying all those dollar bills at a certain establishment, and going home with a certain condition that can only be remedied one specific way.

Cedric Freaking Benson. You are DEAD to me.

awtysst
03-04-2009, 09:48 AM
I am not surprised. He wanted money and playing time. We offered less of both.

Vinny
03-05-2009, 02:06 PM
I am not surprised. He wanted money and playing time. We offered less of both. It looks like he used the Texans interest to leverage a bigger deal with the Bengals. Probably never wanted to come in behind Slaton to begin with.

El Tejano
03-06-2009, 09:04 AM
An opportunity missed; a hole yet to fill.

Well he may not have been able to show what he could do here like he got to in Cincy and he would've only had a one year deal. Whose to say he wouldn't have jetted on us?

threetoedpete
03-06-2009, 09:28 AM
If the Texans think he is worth $5.5M now, they missed a golden opportunity last season. Typically in mid year pick-ups like that a team would pay the player a little bit to finish the year, and then have the next year in the contract at a reasonable price, say a one or two million for Cedric. He probably would have signed that, and it still would have been at little risk to the team. Since NFL contracts aren't guaranteed they could have cut him for free after last season had he acted up.

Backup running back and short yardage pounder may seem a small thing, but small things are what add up to get teams over the hump.

An opportunity missed; a hole yet to fill.

I wasn't in the room...however..no can say they didn't give Ahmen every oportunity to make it back. The Idea was sound..but father time had already run the guy to ground.

Runner
03-06-2009, 09:38 AM
Well he may not have been able to show what he could do here like he got to in Cincy and he would've only had a one year deal. Whose to say he wouldn't have jetted on us?


Note that I suggested he be signed for the remainder of last year AND this year. He was in need of a job last year and it is very likely that he would have signed. This could have been done with little risk to the Texans, since this year wouldn't have been guaranteed.

This is probably a relatively small mistake (unless Benson somehow turns into a stud this year), but I think it was a mistake. Kubiak and Smith aren't always right; if they were they wouldn't have considered Benson this time around much less offer him a contract. They'd already rejected him once.

JWarren14
03-06-2009, 06:09 PM
The Bears just signed Kevin Jones 2 years $3.5 mil

$1 mil signing
$2 mil earned year 1

Cheaper than Benson, wonder if he wasn't interested in the Texans or if the Texans weren't interested in him. I think he would have been a solid pick-up especially for that amount.