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Shaft75
02-23-2009, 11:18 PM
Our FO is making some calculated decisions lately. Cutting some highly paid underachievers, trading Sage and possibly Jacoby to stash away some draft picks. I see a big trade coming or moving up in the draft.

Whatever we plan on doing, I am happy to see our FO so busy right now. I'm very anxious to see the end result.

Thoughts???

dalemurphy
02-23-2009, 11:21 PM
"Supercalifragilisticexpealadocious!" exclaimed the obsessed fan with three small children who is sitting at the computer at 11pm desperately looking for the next tiny bit of Texan news four days before any news can be uttered.

Shaft75
02-23-2009, 11:29 PM
"Supercalifragilisticexpealadocious!" exclaimed the obsessed fan with three small children who is sitting at the computer at 11pm desperately looking for the next tiny bit of Texan news four days before any news can be uttered.

Bob Allen said that the Sage trade is "imminent".

rarazz00
02-23-2009, 11:31 PM
"Supercalifragilisticexpealadocious!" exclaimed the obsessed fan with three small children who is sitting at the computer at 11pm desperately looking for the next tiny bit of Texan news four days before any news can be uttered.

I like what you broke earlier(news):brando:

DiehardChris
02-23-2009, 11:35 PM
I don't think it's indicative of anything more than normal preparation and positioning for free agency. It's business as usual.

rarazz00
02-23-2009, 11:41 PM
Not sure of any big splash...we still have to sign OD and D Ryans and others plus our draft picks...our cap space isn't that great now, though its not that bad either. I do hear that Plummer is now free and I wonder if he is entertaining the thought of comming back, though he said he's retired. Plummer and Kubiak had a pretty good relationship a few years back. Don't know what kind of shape he's in or if he has any love left for the game. Does anyone know how to "bug" Kubiaks office...lol

Shaft75
02-23-2009, 11:47 PM
I don't think it's indicative of anything more than normal preparation and positioning for free agency. It's business as usual.

Come on Diehard! You know that they have to be up to something. This FO hasn't been too shy when it comes to making big moves. All of this being done right before free agency too. They're up to something!

DiehardChris
02-23-2009, 11:59 PM
Come on Diehard! You know that they have to be up to something. This FO hasn't been too shy when it comes to making big moves. All of this being done right before free agency too. They're up to something!

But ALL the teams are doing this. The Colts cut Marvin Harrison, the Jags cut Fred Taylor, the Raiders are cutting everyone, etc. This is just the normal annual business of preparing for the draft.

It doesn't mean that there isn't something in the works - but with or without a big FA deal, teams do this stuff every time during the week leading up to free agency.

Sage - I think they're just publicly getting the "price" of Sage out there because trades can't be made official until Friday. That gives today-Friday for more teams to call about his availability.

Weaver - There was no harm in trying to trade him for a 7th-rounder. They probably knew there was zero chance, but it doesn't hurt to try... especially since there are so many teams making the 3-4 switch - he at LEAST had proven success in that system. They knew nobody would trade for that contract though - but hey, might as well ask.

I think that's the extent of it, but obviously I could just be off my rocker.

Allstar
02-24-2009, 01:16 AM
I think we've got to have some sort of plan when we have already agreed in principle to trade our backup QB before it's even allowed to become official. Why not shop him around a little longer? Rick Smith knows what he's doing....

DiehardChris
02-24-2009, 01:26 AM
I think we've got to have some sort of plan when we have already agreed in principle to trade our backup QB before it's even allowed to become official. Why not shop him around a little longer? Rick Smith knows what he's doing....

Well, by letting the fourth-round price tag leak - he kind of is shopping him. The deal can't be official until Friday, so anyone else who might want Sage has all week to contact Smith.

Marcus
02-24-2009, 03:03 AM
Be happy you get a 4th for Rosencopter.

I don't see them making any "splash" move. Like Diehard says, they're getting rid of all the deadwood, but all the other teams are doing the same thing.

edo783
02-24-2009, 05:21 AM
Well, by letting the fourth-round price tag leak - he kind of is shopping him. The deal can't be official until Friday, so anyone else who might want Sage has all week to contact Smith.

If they have in principal agreed (given their hand so to speak) with the Vikes for a 4th and then turn around and shop him to another team for more value that would be a short term win and a long term lose. They would then be seen as not being worth working with as you can't trust their word. I know it's business, but you don't walk on your word just because someone offers a better deal.

PHAROAH
02-24-2009, 05:36 AM
They definately have a plan in place guys and they could be ready to make the type of move that the texans normally don't do because we always have been strapped for money. After watching the DE's at the combine I could see us going after Michael Johnson so that means we might drop back in the 1st round to take him to pick up extra picks we might be a major player in the free agent market this off-season and I'm fired up!!!!

BattleRedToro
02-24-2009, 06:51 AM
If they are trying to put themselves in a position to move up the only player I could see them trying to move up for would be Aaron Curry, but I would add that I just don't see them making that kind of move.

I think they are just trying to put themselves in the best possible position to improve this team by acquiring more picks.

I too, could see them dropping back in the first and picking Johnson.

Of course, they could also be acquiring the extra picks to trade up higher in the 2nd to acquire him there, while still retaining a 1st round pick to acquire a different player.

Blake
02-24-2009, 07:06 AM
You didnt know? We are moving up the board for Orakpo. Houston is going to pair Mario with Brian and all 31 teams will come down with a bad case of Orakpophobia!

Either that, or they want to take a RB in round 3-4.

TimeKiller
02-24-2009, 07:10 AM
I know it's business, but you don't walk on your word just because someone offers a better deal.

:thinking:

Uh....yes you do

4Texans
02-24-2009, 07:36 AM
I think this is just their version of making a splash and turning over some personnel. Start over with some new faces via FA and the draft. I don't see them signing a "sexy" player in FA, or moving up too high in the draft. They have a core group, lets see what changes they can make to compliment that core group. Just my opinion.....

BigWig
02-24-2009, 07:48 AM
"Supercalifragilisticexpealadocious!" exclaimed the obsessed fan with three small children who is sitting at the computer at 11pm desperately looking for the next tiny bit of Texan news four days before any news can be uttered.

You have three small children, now thats news!:specnatz:

Carr Bombed
02-24-2009, 07:56 AM
Of course, they could also be acquiring the extra picks to trade up higher in the 2nd to acquire him there, while still retaining a 1st round pick to acquire a different player.

Something tells me Johnson isn't dropping out of the 1st round.

euro-Texan
02-24-2009, 08:00 AM
If they have in principal agreed (given their hand so to speak) with the Vikes for a 4th and then turn around and shop him to another team for more value that would be a short term win and a long term lose. They would then be seen as not being worth working with as you can't trust their word. I know it's business, but you don't walk on your word just because someone offers a better deal.

I think we should back out of the deal and let them know that we should probably keep Sage because you never know what team will hunt for our starters knees TWICE in a game. Screw them! I'd rather take a 5th from another team.

Ole Miss Texan
02-24-2009, 08:10 AM
The only player I'd really be "happy" with trading up for would be Aaron Curry. The problem is he cemented himself as a top 5 pick, so we'd be giving up a lot of picks AND paying him outrageous money. Then within a year we'd be turning around and making Demeco one of the highest paid LBs in the league. That just doesn't sit right with me.

However, Curry would be the perfect SAM for us and on passing downs we could still leave him and Demeco out there, so he'd be an everydown player.

I'd rather them not trade up though unless it's packaging some later round picks to move back up into the 2nd or 3rd if some guy drops.

Shoot, I'd go so far as to say if they could pull a trade down into the late first (pick up a 3rd) we could have our entire roster pretty much set with possible starters or very good depth. One more year of steady drafting but with 9 draft picks? We'd be on the verge of being perennial AFC South Champions. Finish off our depth chart, re-sign some key personnel to long term contracts, couple key FA moves and then go after an elite FA next offseason.

To be a team where I want us to be we still need to find (on roster or elsewhere) a RDE, NT, SLB, CB, S, RG, RB, WR, QB. Now some of those (3?) should be starters, the rest quality depth. If we could get there, that's when I'd be comfortable trading up in the draft or for a marquee player.

I see next years' draft having some real studs we could trade up for, this year not as much. Of course I'm sure I said the exact same thing last year ;) I say stand pat/trade down finish off depth and a few key starters. Next year get(trade up for) SS ERic Berry (the next Polomalu/Taylor kind of safey).

gtexan02
02-24-2009, 08:15 AM
Id be happiest with a bunch of picks in round 2-4. You get good value there. Contracts are small enough that a bust doesn't really affect your team in the future, and often the players in those rounds are just as good as they guys in the picks 11-25 anyway

edo783
02-24-2009, 08:25 AM
Id be happiest with a bunch of picks in round 2-4. You get good value there. Contracts are small enough that a bust doesn't really affect your team in the future, and often the players in those rounds are just as good as they guys in the picks 11-25 anyway

Based on our history of picking in that area, it is our sweet spot for sure.

Polo
02-24-2009, 08:33 AM
Hopefully all of this trading players and creating cap space leads to a sign and trade for Julius Peppers.

Marcus
02-24-2009, 08:49 AM
Hopefully all of this trading players and creating cap space leads to a sign and trade for Julius Peppers.

I'm so jaded on the free agants they've signed in the past, I'd be afraid that Peppers would end up being another often-injured underacheiver like Weaver once he pockets that big-ass guaranteed signing bonus.

No thanks. I'd rather do without the worry that it would turn out that way. Like I said, color me jaded, but I don't want them even entertaining the thought of signing any free agents.

HoustonFrog
02-24-2009, 08:50 AM
Does that 4th for Sage negate ony 4th we might lose because of the OTA violations......maybe their thinking on the Sage trade.

Polo
02-24-2009, 08:52 AM
We haven't gone after any free agents as prominent as Peppers.

rarazz00
02-24-2009, 09:21 AM
Does that 4th for Sage negate ony 4th we might lose because of the OTA violations......maybe their thinking on the Sage trade.

I don't think they would trade their backup to cover their backside for fear of losing a draft pick. I think they would get a slap on the wrist if anything. We're not a troublesome franchise in Goodel's eyes, so a fine may come, but for a first offense, no way we lose a 4th:)

badboy
02-24-2009, 09:25 AM
Not sure of any big splash...we still have to sign OD and D Ryans and others plus our draft picks...our cap space isn't that great now, though its not that bad either. I do hear that Plummer is now free and I wonder if he is entertaining the thought of comming back, though he said he's retired. Plummer and Kubiak had a pretty good relationship a few years back. Don't know what kind of shape he's in or if he has any love left for the game. Does anyone know how to "bug" Kubiaks office...lolThere's a rumor that New England has a camera installed.

GP
02-24-2009, 09:27 AM
I'm so jaded on the free agants they've signed in the past, I'd be afraid that Peppers would end up being another often-injured underacheiver like Weaver once he pockets that big-ass guaranteed signing bonus.

No thanks. I'd rather do without the worry that it would turn out that way. Like I said, color me jaded, but I don't want them even entertaining the thought of signing any free agents.

I agree. Peppers scares me. I see "3-4" mentioned wayyyy too much in the articles about him. How would he translate to a 4-3? Is his age beginning to take a toll, and will it continue to affect his play in the next 2-4 years?

Let's not even throw in the problem with his contract (big $$$) and that we'd have to give up some hefty draft picks. That's an issue all unto itself.

Too costly, and too much risk, IMO, for this to be a good "deal" for us.

Wolfiegrrl
02-24-2009, 09:31 AM
What if we are posturing to move up in the draft? Perhaps Smithiak has fallen in love with someone from the combine. For giggles and grins let's say Orakpo. That kid won't be there at 15.

Hardcore Texan
02-24-2009, 09:33 AM
I think Smithiak is just trying to get as many draft picks as possible. If they can get a third and a fourth or two fourths for Jacoby/Sage and then trade back with the first rounder they have and pick up an extra 3rd then we will have 10 picks total and a lot of them in the middle rounds were they sign for much cheaper.

That being said, I think we got to get a veteran QB in here soon through FA. I think Kubiak, being the QB guy he is, already has someone in mind and Smith has probably already been talking to his agent. Why else would they let Sage go, they need another year to develop Nall or Brink to be capable to step in if Schaub goes down. So how many QB's are out there that have experience running the WCO, I doubt Plummer comes back, so who does that leave.......Garcia, right? Makes sense to me.

Just my theory.

Hardcore Texan
02-24-2009, 09:35 AM
What if we are posturing to move up in the draft? Perhaps Smithiak has fallen in love with someone from the combine. For giggles and grins let's say Orakpo. That kid won't be there at 15.

I don't think trading up is our FO's typical MO, other than the Schaub deal they like adding to draft picks not giving up too much for one guy (not suggesting Schaub wasn't worth it, just it took a lot to get him, I do think he was worth it because of his position). I believe they are just trying to infuse this team with as much young talent as possible, Kubes and Smith both believe in building through the draft.

Mr teX
02-24-2009, 09:57 AM
I think they are gonna use the extra 4th they get for sage & use it to move up in the 2nd & get someone they really liked from the combine & that they know likely won't be there when they pick in the 2nd.

So i see
Micheal Johnson/ Clay mathews in the 1st

& a move up to possibly get Patrick Chung to help the 2ndary or Shon Greene to help bolster the running game in the 2nd.

Errant Hothy
02-24-2009, 10:02 AM
I think they are gonna use the extra 4th they get for sage & use it to move up in the 2nd & get someone they really liked from the combine & that they know likely won't be there when they pick in the 2nd.

So i see
Micheal Johnson/ Clay mathews in the 1st

& a move up to possibly get Patrick Chung to help the 2ndary or Shon Greene to help bolster the running game in the 2nd.

Clay Matthews in the first and Delmas in the 2nd looks really good right now; that's to me atleast.

Even better if the team can trade back in the 1st and still get Matthews.

I doubt/hope that the brain trust has no intention of trading up for anybody.

Mr teX
02-24-2009, 10:26 AM
Clay Matthews in the first and Delmas in the 2nd looks really good right now; that's to me atleast.

Even better if the team can trade back in the 1st and still get Matthews.

I doubt/hope that the brain trust has no intention of trading up for anybody.

maybe in the 2nd they will. We flourished as a passing team last year but i think people forget about how key the run game is to this offense & how weak we r in the secondary. If that perfect guy is there & the opportunity presents itself... i say go for it. I'd really like to see us get chung or Greene.

barrett
02-24-2009, 12:06 PM
I seriously doubt they believe in trading up at all. I think their philosophy is draft good players that are a good value price wise and coach them up. The more draft picks the more chances to hit it big.

GP
02-24-2009, 12:13 PM
LOL. I think the Vikings extorted the Texans to take a 4th for Sage because we're going to lose a 4th rounder for the illegal OTA drills.

Vikings: "Helloooo! Say, we were just wondering if you'd like a FOURTH ROUNDER for Sage?"

Texans: "You know what? That sounds good to us. Deal."

That ensures that we retain at least one 4th round pick.

Goldensilence
02-24-2009, 12:45 PM
Vikings didn't extort us to take a 4th. We're lucky to get a fourth after the Rosenchopter incident...even then that says a lot about the QB situation around the NFL.

I don't think we're stockpiling picks and creating cap space to go after someone big in FA. I think more this year the cap hits weren't so bad that we were finally able to cut some bad contracts with players who weren't living up to them. As for the JJ trade guy isn't cracking the WR rotation like we need. Hopefully we don't go after another small school guy hoping to find a gem in the third. I know I keep saying this but I really hope Molden pans out more then a ST ace.

I see us making some FA moves but nothing big this year. We've got a good young core now we just need to build around them.

Ole Miss Texan
02-24-2009, 01:16 PM
I hope we're focused on drafting good solid football players that contribute on our team.

I don't think the thought of getting in trouble with the NFL over the OTAs was really in their mind at all when making the trade with Sage. We'll probably just get fined and lose a couple of practice days. They also probably felt a 4th round pick was more valuable to building this team at this point than Sage was as a backup.

I hope we're going to focus a lot of the Cap space we have by extending contracts to proven players already on our team that fit exactly what we want.

gtexan02
02-24-2009, 01:23 PM
Our 4th round picks:
2002 - Jonathan Wells - Never did much of anything
2003 - Domanick Davis - Rookie of the year, carried the offense until injury
2004 - Glenn Earl - starting SS for years
2005 - Jerome Mathis - Probowl returner who lost favor bc of attitude/injuries
2006 - Owen Daniels - Probowl TE
2007 - Fred Bennett - Promising rookie CB, slumped a little last season
2008 - Xavier Abidi - Came off the bench and our defense was instantly better

We've had some great picks in the 4th round. I hope we use both of our this season

Texecutioner
02-24-2009, 01:25 PM
Our 4th round picks:
2002 - Jonathan Wells - Never did much of anything
2003 - Domanick Davis - Rookie of the year, carried the offense until injury
2004 - Glenn Earl - starting SS for years
2005 - Jerome Mathis - Probowl returner who lost favor bc of attitude/injuries
2006 - Owen Daniels - Probowl TE
2007 - Fred Bennett - Promising rookie CB, slumped a little last season
2008 - Xavier Abidi - Came off the bench and our defense was instantly better

We've had some great picks in the 4th round. I hope we use both of our this season

We have two 4th round picks? How did we get the 2nd one?

HOU-TEX
02-24-2009, 01:33 PM
We have two 4th round picks? How did we get the 2nd one?

Rosenchoke will be traded to the Vikings for an additional 4th

nero THE zero
02-24-2009, 01:59 PM
I wouldn't rule out trading up.

We gave two seconds for Schaub and tried to trade up for DeAngelo Williams; not to mention what other kind of moves we might have tried to make that we don't know about.

Maybe we sholdn't expect a trade up, but I wouldn't rule it out as something we don't do.

HoustonFrog
02-24-2009, 02:03 PM
I don't think they would trade their backup to cover their backside for fear of losing a draft pick. I think they would get a slap on the wrist if anything. We're not a troublesome franchise in Goodel's eyes, so a fine may come, but for a first offense, no way we lose a 4th:)

I don't think Goodell in his reign really cares who has been good. He likes to send messages and that way other teams know that there is a precedent. This got the coverage that other teams doing it didn't. However it has kind of gone to the wayside for now. I'm not saying they get the 4th to cover a 4th but it does help out in case and that could be in the back of their minds.

TEXANRED
02-24-2009, 02:49 PM
Our FO is making some calculated decisions lately. Cutting some highly paid underachievers, trading Sage and possibly Jacoby to stash away some draft picks. I see a big trade coming or moving up in the draft.

Whatever we plan on doing, I am happy to see our FO so busy right now. I'm very anxious to see the end result.

Thoughts???

This is the first time in Texans history, I feel, they have realized that in order to get better they must continue to upgrade at every position. 8-8 is not good enough to not make moves.

AJ would be the only player that comes to mind that is safe. Everyone else is expendable.

infantrycak
02-24-2009, 03:09 PM
This is the first time in Texans history, I feel, they have realized that in order to get better they must continue to upgrade at every position. 8-8 is not good enough to not make moves.

AJ would be the only player that comes to mind that is safe. Everyone else is expendable.

This is how fans get disappointed. I bet not a single starter on O changes next season barring injury.

You don't think Mario is safe?, Demeco?, Daniels? Slaton? etc.

mussop
02-24-2009, 03:11 PM
I wouldnt mind us trading up a few spots for Raji. :d:

Grams
02-24-2009, 03:14 PM
It's the offseason, things are slow. People are letting their imagination get the best of them.

Shaft75
02-24-2009, 03:23 PM
It's the offseason, things are slow. People are letting their imagination get the best of them.

When I posted this thread, I was looking at the amount of cutting and trading the front office was doing. They are extremely motivated right now to clear some space and grab some picks. We aren't in panic mode, so I would venture to say that we are scheming.

I am just wanting to know what the scheme will lead us to.

TEXANRED
02-24-2009, 03:43 PM
This is how fans get disappointed. I bet not a single starter on O changes next season barring injury.

You don't think Mario is safe?, Demeco?, Daniels? Slaton? etc.

Honestly, no I don't.

And when I say things like that I feel unless you are the best at your position and no one can do it better than you, then you are replaceable.

All of those guys have someone that is better at there position then they are.

And honestly, if Rey Maualuga is there at 15, I would draft him and slide DeMeco over to Diles' spot.

But that is just my opinion.

HoustonFrog
02-24-2009, 03:45 PM
Honestly, no I don't.

And when I say things like that I feel unless you are the best at your position and no one can do it better than you, then you are replaceable.

All of those guys have someone that is better at there position then they are.

And honestly, if Rey Maualuga is there at 15, I would draft him and slide DeMeco over to Diles' spot.

But that is just my opinion.

Heck, that has been my contention in all these threads. In fact that is what I've been preaching as my draft philosophy. I think DeMeco has slowed because of his size in relation to the punishment he is taking from the linemen.

Goldensilence
02-24-2009, 03:54 PM
When I posted this thread, I was looking at the amount of cutting and trading the front office was doing. They are extremely motivated right now to clear some space and grab some picks. We aren't in panic mode, so I would venture to say that we are scheming.

I am just wanting to know what the scheme will lead us to.


Don't think we're scheming in paticular. I think these cuts are result of timing. We're able to get rid of a few bad contracts and the Sage made himself expendable in the eyes of the FO. I think there's a lot of starting material out there but I think there are some viable candidates for backup QB via FA that makes Sage expendable as well. I think they would've made the trade for the 3rd last year easy if we had a reliable running game.

If we do go after a big name IMO just timing. Nothing else.

Andrew6
02-24-2009, 04:00 PM
just a thought and maybe its been said but maybe they still want Julius Peppers. If that is the case then they're going to get as much cap room and as many draft picks as possible b/c he has been franchised and they will pay a high price for him.

mussop
02-24-2009, 04:34 PM
This is a qoute from Demeco.

"I'm just trying to see what they're going to do here in the offseason with the free agent moves because it seems like they're gonna make some big move in some way."

That was from a 790 podcast so no link. Anyway I dont know Demecos definition of big move but I would think it would have to be pretty significant. Also he uses the word "seems" so I assume he is drawing his own conclusions from recent events. Still he has better insight to whats going on than all or at least most of us. Of the FA's out there, who would be considered a "big" move. Peppers isnt a FA but is available and would be a big move. I wish Friday would hurry up and get here.

Think this is the link (http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/182..._Craig_Roberts)

Shaft75
02-24-2009, 04:52 PM
This is a qoute from Demeco.

"I'm just trying to see what they're going to do here in the offseason with the free agent moves because it seems like they're gonna make some big move in some way."

That was from a 790 podcast so no link. Anyway I dont know Demecos definition of big move but I would think it would have to be pretty significant. Also he uses the word "seems" so I assume he is drawing his own conclusions from recent events. Still he has better insight to whats going on than all or at least most of us. Of the FA's out there, who would be considered a "big" move. Peppers isnt a FA but is available and would be a big move. I wish Friday would hurry up and get here.

Think this is the link (http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/182..._Craig_Roberts)

So I guess I'm not a delusional fan with nothing else to talk about in the offseason...

Errant Hothy
02-24-2009, 04:57 PM
This is a qoute from Demeco.

"I'm just trying to see what they're going to do here in the offseason with the free agent moves because it seems like they're gonna make some big move in some way."

That was from a 790 podcast so no link. Anyway I dont know Demecos definition of big move but I would think it would have to be pretty significant. Also he uses the word "seems" so I assume he is drawing his own conclusions from recent events. Still he has better insight to whats going on than all or at least most of us. Of the FA's out there, who would be considered a "big" move. Peppers isnt a FA but is available and would be a big move. I wish Friday would hurry up and get here.

Think this is the link (http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/182..._Craig_Roberts)

If the reports that Fat Albert will be signing a 100 million dollar contract, you can rest assured that Peppers will be asking for more. Which means he won't be here.

Huge ass contract + draft picks; nobody is worth that.

Ole Miss Texan
02-24-2009, 05:04 PM
Ooh ooh maybe my dream of trading a mid-rd pick to the Broncos for Elvis Dumervil is possible!

Second Honeymoon
02-24-2009, 05:56 PM
This is a qoute from Demeco.

"I'm just trying to see what they're going to do here in the offseason with the free agent moves because it seems like they're gonna make some big move in some way."

That was from a 790 podcast so no link. Anyway I dont know Demecos definition of big move but I would think it would have to be pretty significant. Also he uses the word "seems" so I assume he is drawing his own conclusions from recent events. Still he has better insight to whats going on than all or at least most of us. Of the FA's out there, who would be considered a "big" move. Peppers isnt a FA but is available and would be a big move. I wish Friday would hurry up and get here.

Think this is the link (http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/182..._Craig_Roberts)

man, that is a crazy quote. it's a long shot, but what if we were to get Ray Lewis to come here and shepherd our defense along and show the youngsters what it takes to be an elite player in this league.

the move makes so much sense because just adding his lockerroom/sideline presence to our team is good for 2 more wins next season. there isn't one player on the Texans that wouldn't listen to every freaking word Ray says and then you have the added bonus of bringing in one of AJ's fellow TheU alums and that could save us money/keep AJ in the future. Ray can bring the leadership that AJ isn't geared to bring but I think in the end AJ would learn to be a leader under Ray and that could be a huge fringe benefit. We need some intangibles and some passion as a team and I think Ray brings more intangibles than any player available and needless to say the dude is just a little passionate about football.

It even makes sense financially. Ray isn't going to be able to command the huge guaranteed money that some of the Free Agents have seen. He is going to get paid, make no doubt about it. but I think he commands less than some of the UFAs available. i think his age makes him less likely to get the big $$ guaranteed that some of the younger UFAs have been awarded.

I don't know yall, I have been in love with the move since the season ended. Its probably too much to ask but if Ray wants a challenge, we got one for him...and I am no Cowboys hater but the Texans have a better chance at the playoffs than the Cowboys...so I dont think Ray wants to go there either. The Ravens have already franchised Suggs and will have to resign him next year. They basically chose Suggs over Lewis with the franchise move. Cmon Rick. Get it done.

Come to Houston Ray...DeMeco will be the biggest beneficiary of such a move..its Ray freaking Lewis.

b0ng
02-24-2009, 05:58 PM
man, that is a crazy quote. it's a long shot, but what if we were to get Ray Lewis to come here and shepherd our defense along and show the youngsters what it takes to be an elite player in this league.

the move makes so much sense because just adding his lockerroom/sideline presence to our team is good for 2 more wins next season. there isn't one player on the Texans that wouldn't listen to every freaking word Ray says and then you have the added bonus of bringing in one of AJ's fellow TheU alums and that could save us money/keep AJ in the future. Ray can bring the leadership that AJ isn't geared to bring but I think in the end AJ would learn to be a leader under his fellow alum. Vocally and by example.

I don't know yall, I have been in love with the move since the season ended. Its probably too much to ask but if Ray wants a challenge, we got one for him...and I am no Cowboys hater but the Texans have a better chance at the playoffs than the Cowboys...so I dont think Ray wants to go there either.

Come to Houston Ray...DeMeco will be the biggest beneficiary of such a move..its Ray freaking Lewis.

Ray Lewis has expressed that he feels the other Texas franchise is the team for him.

ArlingtonTexan
02-24-2009, 05:59 PM
The moves over tha last couple of days show that they have some plan of action, not sure what that is though.

Second Honeymoon
02-24-2009, 06:16 PM
Ray Lewis has expressed that he feels the other Texas franchise is the team for him.

I have read that too. It's kinda puzzling considering the Cowboy's prospects next year but maybe he just wants to be a Cowboy and thinks he can bring the heart that Dallas needs. I just think he could bring his heart to Houston and have a better chance at winning. Even with the Cowboys big names, I feel the Texans have more talent than Dallas and are in a better position to make playoffs.

The Cowboys are going to be in trouble next year. The NFC East is going to be brutal again and the Cowboys will be another soap opera. It's pathetic that one of the pantheons of Texas football are now reduced to reality TV fodder and filling out your roster with a reality TV contestant. Nice touch there, Jerrah.

The stadium is kick*** and that stadium may restore some of the luster to the once proud franchise, but until they start winning football games, its all just lipstick on a pig.

Errant Hothy
02-24-2009, 06:38 PM
I am far from convinced that Ray Lewis and TO can coexist in the same locker room.

mussop
02-24-2009, 06:49 PM
man, that is a crazy quote. it's a long shot, but what if we were to get Ray Lewis to come here and shepherd our defense along and show the youngsters what it takes to be an elite player in this league.

the move makes so much sense because just adding his lockerroom/sideline presence to our team is good for 2 more wins next season. there isn't one player on the Texans that wouldn't listen to every freaking word Ray says and then you have the added bonus of bringing in one of AJ's fellow TheU alums and that could save us money/keep AJ in the future. Ray can bring the leadership that AJ isn't geared to bring but I think in the end AJ would learn to be a leader under Ray and that could be a huge fringe benefit. We need some intangibles and some passion as a team and I think Ray brings more intangibles than any player available and needless to say the dude is just a little passionate about football.

It even makes sense financially. Ray isn't going to be able to command the huge guaranteed money that some of the Free Agents have seen. He is going to get paid, make no doubt about it. but I think he commands less than some of the UFAs available. i think his age makes him less likely to get the big $$ guaranteed that some of the younger UFAs have been awarded.

I don't know yall, I have been in love with the move since the season ended. Its probably too much to ask but if Ray wants a challenge, we got one for him...and I am no Cowboys hater but the Texans have a better chance at the playoffs than the Cowboys...so I dont think Ray wants to go there either. The Ravens have already franchised Suggs and will have to resign him next year. They basically chose Suggs over Lewis with the franchise move. Cmon Rick. Get it done.

Come to Houston Ray...DeMeco will be the biggest beneficiary of such a move..its Ray freaking Lewis.

Ray Lewis is a POS!!! I would have a hard time admitting I was a Texans fan if we signed him.

If the reports that Fat Albert will be signing a 100 million dollar contract, you can rest assured that Peppers will be asking for more. ([QUOTE=Hoth-Boy;1125897]If the reports that Fat Albert will be signing a 100 million dollar contract, you can rest assured that Peppers will be asking for more. Which means he won't be here.) Which means he won't be here.

Huge ass contract + draft picks; nobody is worth that.

Peppers wont get what Haynesworth gets. Haynesworth is younger and for the last 2 years has played at MVP level.

J-Russ
02-24-2009, 06:56 PM
The moves over tha last couple of days show that they have some plan of action, not sure what that is though.

I really hope they don't plan on trading up for a player. I still don't think our team is in the state where we could trade extra picks for that "missing piece" type of player.

However, if they plan on making a splash through FA then I would be ecstatic if it's a big player. As long it doesn't kill our cap and hinder our chances of resigning our own guys like Pitts, DeMeco, or OD.

Errant Hothy
02-24-2009, 06:56 PM
Ray Lewis is a POS!!! I would have a hard time admitting I was a Texans fan if we signed him.

If the reports that Fat Albert will be signing a 100 million dollar contract,

Peppers wont get what Haynesworth gets. Haynesworth is younger and for the last 2 years has played at MVP level.

I do believe I said he would be "asking" for more then Fat Albert.

I've contended from the start that he won't be leaving the Panthers, and if he did stay with them he would be making more then Fat Albert next year.

Old School
02-24-2009, 07:07 PM
man, that is a crazy quote. it's a long shot, but what if we were to get Ray Lewis to come here and shepherd our defense along and show the youngsters what it takes to be an elite player in this league.

the move makes so much sense because just adding his lockerroom/sideline presence to our team is good for 2 more wins next season. there isn't one player on the Texans that wouldn't listen to every freaking word Ray says and then you have the added bonus of bringing in one of AJ's fellow TheU alums and that could save us money/keep AJ in the future. Ray can bring the leadership that AJ isn't geared to bring but I think in the end AJ would learn to be a leader under Ray and that could be a huge fringe benefit. We need some intangibles and some passion as a team and I think Ray brings more intangibles than any player available and needless to say the dude is just a little passionate about football.

It even makes sense financially. Ray isn't going to be able to command the huge guaranteed money that some of the Free Agents have seen. He is going to get paid, make no doubt about it. but I think he commands less than some of the UFAs available. i think his age makes him less likely to get the big $$ guaranteed that some of the younger UFAs have been awarded.

I don't know yall, I have been in love with the move since the season ended. Its probably too much to ask but if Ray wants a challenge, we got one for him...and I am no Cowboys hater but the Texans have a better chance at the playoffs than the Cowboys...so I dont think Ray wants to go there either. The Ravens have already franchised Suggs and will have to resign him next year. They basically chose Suggs over Lewis with the franchise move. Cmon Rick. Get it done.

Come to Houston Ray...DeMeco will be the biggest beneficiary of such a move..its Ray freaking Lewis.

I can't stand Ray Lewis but I can't doubt his love for football or his dedication to his teammates. I would take him in a heartbeat.

Marcus
02-24-2009, 07:48 PM
I think there is only one person on the planet who constantly rants on and on with this silly delusion that Ray Lewis would be the slightest bit interested in choosing to leave the Ravens for the Texans.

It's almost getting out of hand.

Second Honeymoon
02-24-2009, 08:00 PM
I think there is only one person on the planet who constantly rants on and on with this silly delusion that Ray Lewis would be the slightest bit interested in choosing to leave the Ravens for the Texans.

It's almost getting out of hand.

or i could adopt your philosophy and hope the Texans don't do anything in free agency...

I don't want them even entertaining the thought of signing any free agents.

...thats pretty fresh. who are you? Bob McNair's bookkeeper? Sorry that I hope our team makes moves to improve the team. Excuse me for being so far off base.

CloakNNNdagger
02-24-2009, 08:12 PM
I am far from convinced that Ray Lewis and TO can coexist in the same locker room.

Lewis' productivity will be sorely compromised, as a good deal of the time his foot will be deeply imbedded in TO's ^ss when it's not inhabiting TO's oral cavity..............Houston fan popcorn sales should at least double from last year if this pair is united. :popcorn::popcorn:

dalemurphy
02-24-2009, 08:53 PM
The biggest names we'll be getting here are : Sean Jones, Channing Crowder, Andra Davis, Antonio Smith.. and players of that ilk.

Which, by the way, is exactly what we need!

WesmanTexanfan
02-24-2009, 08:56 PM
we're gunna trade for Donavan Mcnabb!!!!

id like that, but seriously, im excited to see what we are thinking....

pappy
02-24-2009, 08:57 PM
Just a notion but if washington signs big al haynsworth then they will need to lose some good players maybe taylor will become available ? :thinking:

dalemurphy
02-24-2009, 09:25 PM
Just a notion but if washington signs big al haynsworth then they will need to lose some good players maybe taylor will become available ? :thinking:

It's not 2005!

The1ApplePie
02-24-2009, 09:30 PM
Trade up for Crabtree?

Vinnie
02-24-2009, 09:56 PM
Trade up for Crabtree?

Huh?

hookinreds
02-24-2009, 11:05 PM
I don't think Goodell in his reign really cares who has been good. He likes to send messages and that way other teams know that there is a precedent. This got the coverage that other teams doing it didn't. However it has kind of gone to the wayside for now. I'm not saying they get the 4th to cover a 4th but it does help out in case and that could be in the back of their minds.

You can thank Aroid for that...once his story broke, the Texans story drifted off to the back page.

Goatcheese
02-24-2009, 11:27 PM
With ASO, and Atogwe off the market there's not really anyone left in the high end market worth going after.

They may be looking to sign a couple of midrange guys(Weaver, and Greenwood types), who only cost 3-4 million a year untill the last year or two, when they get cut. Guys like D.Ward, S. Jonesand maybe J.Vilma.

dalemurphy
02-25-2009, 12:26 AM
With ASO, and Atogwe off the market there's not really anyone left in the high end market worth going after.

They may be looking to sign a couple of midrange guys(Weaver, and Greenwood types), who only cost 3-4 million a year untill the last year or two, when they get cut. Guys like D.Ward, S. Jonesand maybe J.Vilma.

Sean Jones
Channing Crowder
Bart Scott
Andra Davis
Chris Canty
Antonio Smith
Jake Groves
Jeff Saturday
TJ HOushmanzadeh
Derrick Ward
Maurice Morris


that's a pretty good list and far from complete. If we were to get Sean Jones, Antonio Smith, and Derrick Ward in free agency, we'd probably dish out $50 million in signing bonuses and dramatically increase the talent of our football team. There's plenty of quality players out there and certainly Sean Jones would be considered "high end" and also worth going after, IMO.

Jackie Chiles
02-25-2009, 12:33 AM
Sean Jones
Channing Crowder
Bart Scott
Andra Davis
Chris Canty
Antonio Smith
Jake Groves
Jeff Saturday
TJ HOushmanzadeh
Derrick Ward
Maurice Morris


that's a pretty good list and far from complete. If we were to get Sean Jones, Antonio Smith, and Derrick Ward in free agency, we'd probably dish out $50 million in signing bonuses and dramatically increase the talent of our football team. There's plenty of quality players out there and certainly Sean Jones would be considered "high end" and also worth going after, IMO.

I'm weary on Antonio Smith. Too similar to Weaver for my taste. 3-5 sacks a year for his career, why overpay for that? I think he looks good because we had 1 sack the last three years from our starter over there. I like Sean Jones, Jake Grove, and Channing Crowder from that list. Maybe Maurice Morris but I like our chances in the draft at RB. Come to think of it Crowder looks a little like a giant sized Morlon Greenwood. Came from Miami, plenty of tackles, no big plays. Seeing him tackle Andre from behind made an impression on me though.

dalemurphy
02-25-2009, 12:54 AM
I'm weary on Antonio Smith. Too similar to Weaver for my taste. 3-5 sacks a year for his career, why overpay for that? I think he looks good because we had 1 sack the last three years from our starter over there. I like Sean Jones, Jake Grove, and Channing Crowder from that list. Maybe Maurice Morris but I like our chances in the draft at RB. Come to think of it Crowder looks a little like a giant sized Morlon Greenwood. Came from Miami, plenty of tackles, no big plays. Seeing him tackle Andre from behind made an impression on me though.

We need to draft at RB and sign a FA. We need to head into training camp with 4 quality RBs, at minimum. After all, you need at least 3 just to get through the season and probably will lose at least one for the majority of the season. I'm not counting on Chris Brown making the team. So, we have Slaton and Ryan Moats.... I think we need a known quantity like Derrick Ward or Morris and then a mid round rookie and probably a late rounder as well. Ideally, the rookies both impress and we cut Moats. More likely, we carry Slaton, Morris, Moats, and one rookie and stash the other one on the practice squad.

Texans_Chick
02-25-2009, 01:17 AM
I talk about this some in my blog post about DeMeco not being happy (http://blogs.chron.com/texanschick/2009/02/demeco_ryans_joins_dunta_robin.html).

There's a section on the labor problems in the NFL and how it is messing with value and leading to uncertainty. The key part is that there is a link on one strategy for dealing with the potential of the uncapped year (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/michael_lombardi/05/27/uncapped.strategy/). It was written last year.

4. Instigate trade talks
...."From my replaceable player list, I would try to trade players for draft picks in 2009 and 2010. Our goal would be to acquire as many extra picks before the draft expired in 2011. Drafts picks will be like gold in allowing us to collect young players that best serve our ability to compete for a Super Bowl in an uncapped year."

There's some other good links in the blog post on the uncapped year and how it affects negotiations.

HOU-TEX
02-25-2009, 09:14 AM
Sean Jones
Channing Crowder
Bart Scott
Andra Davis
Chris Canty
Antonio Smith
Jake Groves
Jeff Saturday
TJ HOushmanzadeh
Derrick Ward
Maurice Morris


that's a pretty good list and far from complete. If we were to get Sean Jones, Antonio Smith, and Derrick Ward in free agency, we'd probably dish out $50 million in signing bonuses and dramatically increase the talent of our football team. There's plenty of quality players out there and certainly Sean Jones would be considered "high end" and also worth going after, IMO.

My .02

Sean Jones = I'd bring him in for a looksee
Channing Crowder = Pass
Bart Scott = I'd bring him in for a looksee
Andra Davis = Pass
Chris Canty = I'd bring him in for a looksee
Antonio Smith = Pass, unless he's cheap
Jake Groves = I'd bring him in for a looksee
Jeff Saturday = Pass
TJ HOushmanzadeh = Won't even bother him
Derrick Ward = I'd bring him in for a looksee
Maurice Morris = I'd bring him in for a looksee