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DiehardChris
02-23-2009, 05:50 PM
NFL Network Story (http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/02/23/looking-for-cap-relief-texans-will-release-de-weaver/)

TEXANS84
02-23-2009, 05:53 PM
As the Friday beginning of the new league year creeps closer, teams are creating more and more salary-cap room.

Just days after cutting RB Ahman Green and LB Morlon Greenwood, the Texans will release DE Anthony Weaver on Tuesday. His $6.2 million base salary will come off the Texans’ salary cap, but they still must deal with $5.4 million in acceleration on his contract — a total savings of $800,000.

Once Weaver is released, it will not be long before he finds another job. Jets coach Rex Ryan coached Weaver in Baltimore and could sign him for New York, or the Ravens always could try to bring him back.

Per the above link....

Sure, sign him in New York. We play the Jets at home this year. Run Slaton to his side, guaranteed first down every time. Not like he's going to make a tackle or anything.
What a waste. I remember he was touted as one of the best defensive players to hit FA in 2006, only to become a bust here in Houston. Just another product of the system in Baltimore.

imatexan
02-23-2009, 05:53 PM
While it will help our cap, we are not very deep at this position at all.

Not sure if this is a smart move.

TEXANS84
02-23-2009, 05:55 PM
While it will help our cap, we are not very deep at this position at all.
Not sure if this is a smart move.

It barely helps our cap. He just needed to be gone, he's not contributing.
This almost guarantees we will be either going hard at a DE in FA, or drafting DE with the 15 pick.

DiehardChris
02-23-2009, 05:55 PM
While it will help our cap, we are not very deep at this position at all.

Not sure if this is a smart move.

I think it's fine. He's WAY too expensive to be depth.

dalemurphy
02-23-2009, 05:57 PM
While it will help our cap, we are not very deep at this position at all.

Not sure if this is a smart move.

I think our depth is good there. I like Cochran and Bulman to do anything that Weaver did. I think we will be adding 2 more DEs in FA/draft and those guys will often be sliding inside to spell TJ, Okoye, and Robinson.

jshabang
02-23-2009, 06:05 PM
The Texans plan to release DE Anthony Weaver, according to NFL.com's Adam Schefter.

Big Poundcake
02-23-2009, 06:06 PM
I think this was expected.

DiehardChris
02-23-2009, 06:07 PM
I think our depth is good there. I like Cochran and Bulman to do anything that Weaver did. I think we will be adding 2 more DEs in FA/draft and those guys will often be sliding inside to spell TJ, Okoye, and Robinson.

Absolutely. We can do better (and cheaper) in free agency and the draft. This was a no-brainer.

Maybe the holdup was that they thought they could talk some 3-4 team into giving them a 7th rounder. Nobody's that dumb, but I guess it was worth a try. He had zero trade value.

Jackie Chiles
02-23-2009, 06:17 PM
Yes he was the starter but I don't see anything that Weaver brought to the table that Cochran can't do better. Ditto with Bulman. Theres almost no chance we actually go into the season with those two guys at the top of the depth chart but we lose nothing from a production standpoint getting rid of Weaver now.

barrett
02-23-2009, 06:19 PM
he sure did have a pretty smile though.

I think this is also an issue of trimming the productivity fat. cap room aside, he wasn't productive enough.

if Ephram gets cut then Dale's dream off season is complete!

imatexan
02-23-2009, 06:23 PM
I think our depth is good there. I like Cochran and Bulman to do anything that Weaver did. I think we will be adding 2 more DEs in FA/draft and those guys will often be sliding inside to spell TJ, Okoye, and Robinson.

Well if we do something in the draft or FA its a different story but if not then I still do not like our depth.

texanfan2002114
02-23-2009, 06:24 PM
The Texans plan to release DE Anthony Weaver, according to NFL.com's Adam Schefter.

There is a thead already started! Mods merge, please

J-Russ
02-23-2009, 06:28 PM
Now that he's gone, we have no other end that is a viable option to be a starter opposite of Mario. That uncertainty lead me to believe that they are definitely going to draft a DE in the first round. They may even have to "reach" again, like they did last year with Brown, if the top 4-3 ends are already gone(Orakpo, Brown).

I wouldn't mind trading back into the twenties again and taking Robert Ayers, who is a rising prospect like Duane was like year. Maybe even Larry English, who weighed in the 270s just recently.

Nawzer
02-23-2009, 06:29 PM
Is it just me or does anyone else feel like the Texans are really going to pursue some big names in FA? With Sage's impending trade to the Vikings and cutting Green, Greenwood, and Weaver we have some holes to fill. Not every need will be addressed through the draft obviously so I'm guessing there are some guys the Texans front office are looking to sign.

barrett
02-23-2009, 06:30 PM
I would definitely be pro- trading back. there is alot of depth and LB and DL. Value. Thats the key.

Pantherstang84
02-23-2009, 06:47 PM
I would definitely be pro- trading back. there is alot of depth and LB and DL. Value. Thats the key.

Value Schmalue. Getting good football players is the key!!!!!!

euro-Texan
02-23-2009, 06:51 PM
Is it just me or does anyone else feel like the Texans are really going to pursue some big names in FA? With Sage's impending trade to the Vikings and cutting Green, Greenwood, and Weaver we have some holes to fill. Not every need will be addressed through the draft obviously so I'm guessing there are some guys the Texans front office are looking to sign.

Either that or they are looking to bundle a package to move up in the draft. Someone already posted that on here, so it's not my idea, but with this happening so soon after the combine they might have found someone they liked a lot. I really would like to see us get someone who is not a project and can make an impact day 1.

DiehardChris
02-23-2009, 06:53 PM
I don't think this move is an indication of anything other than getting rid of a player who isn't worth his contract. I don't think it means we're working on a draft trade package, or we're about to sign a big FA.

It's just normal prep for free agency. They need to sign Eugene Wilson (hopefully before free agency starts), and they might even be planning ahead for if/when things cool down with Dunta and they revisit the long-term deal.

No big deal. Just business as usual for this time of year.

TheRealJoker
02-23-2009, 06:56 PM
Cutting Weaver is sending a message that even if you have a high cap #, you're not gonna stay on the roster if you dont contribute noticeably more than the guys behind you making the league minimum.

Shows the team is willing to admit they were wrong, unlike the last regime we had in here...

Nawzer
02-23-2009, 07:17 PM
I don't think this move is an indication of anything other than getting rid of a player who isn't worth his contract. I don't think it means we're working on a draft trade package, or we're about to sign a big FA.

It's just normal prep for free agency. They need to sign Eugene Wilson (hopefully before free agency starts), and they might even be planning ahead for if/when things cool down with Dunta and they revisit the long-term deal.

No big deal. Just business as usual for this time of year.

You could be right. But that's why I said it's just a feeling not a clear indicator on anything.:)

kiwitexansfan
02-23-2009, 07:29 PM
Cutting Weaver is sending a message that even if you have a high cap #, you're not gonna stay on the roster if you dont contribute noticeably more than the guys behind you making the league minimum.

Shows the team is willing to admit they were wrong, unlike the last regime we had in here...

I think your right, if your not value for money, your not on this team.

Seems like smart management in the long run.

Texans34Life
02-23-2009, 07:57 PM
http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/sports/090223_texans_release_weaver

HOUSTON - Houston Texans defensive end Anthony Weaver will be released Tuesday. Weaver told FOX 26 Sports Monday his agent informed him that he had been told by the club the move would be made Tuesday.

"I'm disappointed I can't finish what I thought we started under Coach (Gary) Kubiak," Weaver said.

Weaver is not caught off guard by the news.

"I'm not surprised," Weaver said. "I know my production has been down and I've had some injuries that didn't help."

In fact Weaver underwent arthroscopic surgery on his left knee earlier this year.

"I've never been cut before but this is the business side of things," Weaver said. "I gave my best. That's all I can control."

Weaver said he still has a lot left in the tank and plans to continue his career somewhere in the NFL.

PHAROAH
02-23-2009, 08:45 PM
About time guys I am so tired of this guy stealing money it was sad and we won't have to deal with this guy huge salary anymore after this season. let's move forward at lookin at the free agents and rookies that we can bring into the fold.

TexanAddict
02-23-2009, 08:45 PM
This almost guarantees we will be either going hard at a DE in FA, or drafting DE with the 15 pick.

Probably both

The1ApplePie
02-23-2009, 09:30 PM
Probably both

Hope not, unless Orakpo is there

Maybin is a situational player at best and Michael Johnson screams "BUST" with a megaphone

old_man_1898
02-23-2009, 09:31 PM
I for one am pretty excited this lump of do nothing will finally stop invading my TV screen every sunday and sometimes Monday. He really was not pulling his weight and I like this by Kube, he is sending the message that it dosen't matter who you are, if you don't produce you are gone. :fans::fans:

gtexan02
02-23-2009, 09:54 PM
McNair saves about 8 million bucks by doing this. Not surprised in this economy

Specnatz
02-23-2009, 10:30 PM
Hope not, unless Orakpo is there

Maybin is a situational player at best and Michael Johnson screams "BUST" with a megaphone

I recall another DE that this was said about.

The1ApplePie
02-23-2009, 10:57 PM
I recall another DE that this was said about.

I don't think he has the upside of Mario, not by a longshot

Mario struggled in college due to poor coaching. MJ seems to be limited by his own lazyness more than anything else

Ryan
02-23-2009, 10:57 PM
I recall another DE that this was said about.

My thoughts exactly. I think if MJ was available at 15, I don't believe we could possibly pass him up. He has been screaming Mario vol. 2 for a while to me now.

Carr Bombed
02-23-2009, 11:30 PM
While it will help our cap, we are not very deep at this position at all.

Not sure if this is a smart move.

Weaver hasn't done anything as a Texan, there's players with his ability that won't even be drafted in the draft. He's nothing special and easily upgradeable.

Houston just improved their Dline by getting rid of this bum. Addition by subtraction. I'm tired of fielding 1 DE and 3 DTs

dalemurphy
02-23-2009, 11:34 PM
Weaver hasn't done anything as a Texan, there's players with his ability that won't even be drafted in the draft. He's nothing special and easily upgradeable.

Houston just improved their Dline by getting rid of this bum. Addition by subtraction. I'm tired of fielding 1 DE and 3 DTs

3 DTs... Holy Sh*t... where?

Sorry but I couldn't resist. I expect TJ and Okoye to look a lot better under Frankie. And, I've always been a fan of Cochrans.

Jackie Chiles
02-24-2009, 12:17 AM
3 DTs... Holy Sh*t... where?

Sorry but I couldn't resist. I expect TJ and Okoye to look a lot better under Frankie. And, I've always been a fan of Cochrans.

Deljuan Robinson vs. the Titans=3 DTs wrapped in one.

mussop
02-24-2009, 12:39 AM
Now that he's gone, we have no other end that is a viable option to be a starter opposite of Mario. That uncertainty lead me to believe that they are definitely going to draft a DE in the first round. They may even have to "reach" again, like they did last year with Brown, if the top 4-3 ends are already gone(Orakpo, Brown).

I wouldn't mind trading back into the twenties again and taking Robert Ayers, who is a rising prospect like Duane was like year. Maybe even Larry English, who weighed in the 270s just recently.

Or it means they allready have a deal in place to bring in another DE via trade or FA. Peppers maybe??????

Carr Bombed
02-24-2009, 06:31 AM
Or it means they allready have a deal in place to bring in another DE via trade or FA. Peppers maybe??????

He got franchised almost a week ago.

BattleRedToro
02-24-2009, 06:59 AM
Or it means they allready have a deal in place to bring in another DE via trade or FA. Peppers maybe??????

More likely they will bring in someone like Bertrand Berry.

Malloy
02-24-2009, 07:14 AM
He got franchised almost a week ago.

They can't acquire him as a FA, but they can still trade for him.

Carr Bombed
02-24-2009, 07:40 AM
They can't acquire him as a FA, but they can still trade for him.

I don't see that happening.......They would want too much in return and Peppers has turned into a malcontent now. I mean what's going upstairs when you're already top 3 at your position and you want to change? I say no thanks to the drama.

El Tejano
02-24-2009, 09:38 AM
While it will help our cap, we are not very deep at this position at all.

Not sure if this is a smart move.

We will be when we add that stud DE in the draft this year. I think Cochran will be coming back and Bulman showed some good stuff too.

HOU-TEX
02-24-2009, 09:55 AM
Great guy, poor fit here in Houston

Hervoyel
02-24-2009, 10:12 AM
Per the above link....

Sure, sign him in New York. We play the Jets at home this year. Run Slaton to his side, guaranteed first down every time. Not like he's going to make a tackle or anything.
What a waste. I remember he was touted as one of the best defensive players to hit FA in 2006, only to become a bust here in Houston. Just another product of the system in Baltimore.

Well, if he goes somewhere else we might find his performance here was at least somewhat a product of the "lack of system" in Houston under Richard Smith.

I'm hoping he does well somewhere else and that the defenders we keep show great improvement under our new defensive staff. It would help toward validating the idea that Smith was the primary problem.

El Tejano
02-24-2009, 10:24 AM
Well, if he goes somewhere else we might find his performance here was at least somewhat a product of the "lack of system" in Houston under Richard Smith.

I'm hoping he does well somewhere else and that the defenders we keep show great improvement under our new defensive staff. It would help toward validating the idea that Smith was the primary problem.

If I'm not mistaken, we acquired him on potential and the ability to stop the run. In Baltimore he was never a sack artist either. The problem was, he wasn't being excellent in either sacks or tackles. He was subpar in tackles. Mario on the other hand has been great in sacks and darn near excellent in stopping the run.

Hervoyel
02-24-2009, 10:30 AM
If I'm not mistaken, we acquired him on potential and the ability to stop the run. In Baltimore he was never a sack artist either. The problem was, he wasn't being excellent in either sacks or tackles. He was subpar in tackles. Mario on the other hand has been great in sacks and darn near excellent in stopping the run.


Yes but well, Mario is "Mario" and everyone not named Mario has been consistently ordinary for most of Gary Kubiak's regime (and by extension Richard Smith's reign as DC).

I'm just saying that maybe he goes somewhere else and plays respectable which he hasn't done here and then I think that if you look at that and compare it what we got out of him you must wonder if maybe it wasn't entirely him. Maybe it's what we were asking him to do.

Polo
02-24-2009, 10:31 AM
We brought Weaver in because we were transitioning to a 4-3 and we had no players that could play LDE. The DE's we had were the tweener type players...Peek, Babin, Charlie Anderson, Shante Orr....

When we drafted Mario it really made it difficult on Weaver because Mario probably should have been playing LDE all along...

They knew Weaver was deficient because they started playing him at DT quite a bit...

He was ineffective there too.

barrett
02-24-2009, 11:13 AM
I would definitely be pro- trading back. there is alot of depth and LB and DL. Value. Thats the key.

Value Schmalue. Getting good football players is the key!!!!!!

Look, getting good football players that you can afford to keep on your team for 8+ years is the key. value is about quality players for a reasonable price so that you don't have one guy who's making 4 times as much as someone with similar productivity. (see Anthony Weaver or Morlon Greenwood)

Being able to continue to pay Schaub, Winston, Pitts, Brown, Slaton, Johnson, Daniels, Walter, Leach, Williams, Ryans, Cochran, Okoye (maybe), and Robinson for years to come is what value is.

These are the core guys of this team. They are the playmakers that we need to keep together to continue to be successful. If we can get several playmakers at a reasonable price it is a better deal that getting one superstar for an astronomical price.

That's how teams like Indy and Pittsburgh were able to have continued success for over a decade.

dalemurphy
02-24-2009, 11:27 AM
Look, getting good football players that you can afford to keep on your team for 8+ years is the key. value is about quality players for a reasonable price so that you don't have one guy who's making 4 times as much as someone with similar productivity. (see Anthony Weaver or Morlon Greenwood)

Being able to continue to pay Schaub, Winston, Pitts, Brown, Slaton, Johnson, Daniels, Walter, Leach, Williams, Ryans, Cochran, Okoye (maybe), and Robinson for years to come is what value is.

These are the core guys of this team. They are the playmakers that we need to keep together to continue to be successful. If we can get several playmakers at a reasonable price it is a better deal that getting one superstar for an astronomical price.

That's how teams like Indy and Pittsburgh were able to have continued success for over a decade.

One could also argue that the odd of getting a playmaker are greater drafting picks #25, #80, #105 versus pick #15. And, as Barrett pointed out, those three picks combined will be cheaper to pay than pick #15.

barrett
02-24-2009, 11:51 AM
I just listened to the Ryans interview. I'm starting to get worried. To use a Rick Smith saying "When we talk about value"... I'm worried that we're not going to be able to pay all the guys we have currently! I think we have some proven guys that we really need to focus on. To hear that they were in discussions with Demeco a while back is a good sign. To hear that they weren't even close on the numbers is concerning. I don't like the idea of waiting on these guys until 3 weeks before FA and then running out of time and having to Franchise them. (In Dunta's situation I think it was a wise move because of his injury) But Demeco is proven to be an elite player in this league. We have got to get these guys locked up. Priority one!

GP
02-24-2009, 12:49 PM
Look, getting good football players that you can afford to keep on your team for 8+ years is the key. value is about quality players for a reasonable price so that you don't have one guy who's making 4 times as much as someone with similar productivity. (see Anthony Weaver or Morlon Greenwood)

Being able to continue to pay Schaub, Winston, Pitts, Brown, Slaton, Johnson, Daniels, Walter, Leach, Williams, Ryans, Cochran, Okoye (maybe), and Robinson for years to come is what value is.

These are the core guys of this team. They are the playmakers that we need to keep together to continue to be successful. If we can get several playmakers at a reasonable price it is a better deal that getting one superstar for an astronomical price.

That's how teams like Indy and Pittsburgh were able to have continued success for over a decade.

You're leaving out a part of the equation: Teams like the Steelers make the tough cuts at the right times, regardless of year.

I feel that we have a good coaching staff AND a good GM who are making some pretty good choices in draft picks each year. Look, if we "hit" on a guy like DeMeco...we can do it again. Wasn't DeMeco a 2nd rounder? We haven't had a 2nd rounder for the past two years. LBs are there in rounds 1 and 2.

If a guy can't play out his contract, and be patient, then he has a right to be unsettled about it. But I don't think he can go around making loud noises about it. If he becomes loose with his words, he better put up Pro Bowl numbers to back it up. he better make himself look like Ray Lewis, Jr.

I'd like to see DeMeco play out his contract. I want to see if he is really desiring to do his best, or to just make out like a bandit on a new contract BEFORE playing his best.

These guys are not being underpaid. OK, OK. With what they do, and how their career can be ended in a heartbeat, I can see the argument for getting all you can. I can also see the case for handling your finances very strictly if you want to live a life of comfort after the NFL. Just my two cents.

Goldensilence
02-24-2009, 01:04 PM
More likely they will bring in someone like Bertrand Berry.

Agreed I think Bertrand would be a good fit here. Could be a more productive N.D. Kalu which i like. McGlover might be given another shot to be healthy and compete.

Will the cap hits we take this year on be gone next year? Hope so because next year we got to make the decision on Schaub's contract as well.

jb66er
02-24-2009, 01:12 PM
I would like to see Bullman get a shot at the position, he really stepped up last season and he has a good nose for the ball.

TEXANRED
02-24-2009, 01:12 PM
Per the above link....

Sure, sign him in New York. We play the Jets at home this year. Run Slaton to his side, guaranteed first down every time. Not like he's going to make a tackle or anything.
What a waste. I remember he was touted as one of the best defensive players to hit FA in 2006, only to become a bust here in Houston. Just another product of the system in Baltimore.

So can I have the title back to my thread now?

Oh, and I told ya so.:smiliedance:

Texecutioner
02-24-2009, 01:21 PM
It barely helps our cap. He just needed to be gone, he's not contributing.
This almost guarantees we will be either going hard at a DE in FA, or drafting DE with the 15 pick.

I'm with ya on this one.I don't care, I just want him gone. He is so utterly worthless.

The1ApplePie
02-24-2009, 09:29 PM
My thoughts exactly. I think if MJ was available at 15, I don't believe we could possibly pass him up. He has been screaming Mario vol. 2 for a while to me now.

He's a four-year guy that only started one year. With the kid's freakish talent and the major flops GT linemen have been the past few years, I'm concerned why the guy couldn't crack the depth chart. Saw him play a couple of times and he seemed to half-ass about 3/4s of his plays.

Great athlete, not sure about the motor

Taking Mario on potential worked out. Amobi and Jacoby Jones, not so much

I'd take proven guys like Maulauga, Cushing, Maclin, or Alphonso Smith over another combine freak