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YoungTexanFan
02-23-2009, 05:31 PM
With the possible (likely IMO) trade of Sage to the Vikings, do you look to draft a young QB this year? Do you strictly look to sign a veteran? Do you hope/think that any of our other QB's on the roster could be our backup?

Here is my thinking:
I think we can make due for a year with Nall and Gray (I think he is still with us). I think it is time to draft a developmental QB, but I do not feel comfortable making any rookie QB our backup. Here is a quick breakdown of where some notable QB's are projected to go (my projections):

Mark Sanchez - top 5
Matthew Stafford - top 20
Pat White - Middle to late second round
Josh Freeman - Late second to early third (If we take this trash, I will go on a killing spree, FYI)
Nate Davis - Middle of the third round
Rhett Bomar - Early 4th-middle 4th
Hunter Cantwell - Mid 5th
Cullen Harper - Late 5th
Stephen McGee - Early 6th
Curtis Painter - Early 6th
Rudy Carpenter - Mid 6th

It is a fairly unimpressive group overall, but there are some gems. Pat White has been tearing up everything and everyone, and has likely moved into the bottom third of the second round. I'm going to assume that everyone is comfortable with passing on a QB in the first round, by the way. Josh Freeman is a joke of a QB - his winningest team: 7-6.

Now, we get to the interesting players, the "developmental" picks. This is where you take a toolsey QB who has had success but isn't getting big time attention. Are you comfortable with using a 3rd round draft pick on Nate Davis? Or a 4th on Rhett Bomar? I hope by now that we have learned our lesson with the Alex Brink's of the draft, so I do worry about waiting too long to find a prospect.

I'm starting to like Nate Davis in the third round. It is about fair value, and we (Texans - specifically McNair) have shown the willingness to draft a developmental QB early (Ragone). I like Davis because he has good size at 6'2, weighing in at a robust 226. He really, really, really should have stayed in school for another year. He has fringe first round talent stored inside, but he showed enough this past season to warrant a pick. He has a very strong arm that he showed off while rolling out of the pocket (Ball St. moved him out of the pocket a lot last year). He has slightly above average footwork, but that is coachable, and that is a good thing. He looked aware of the pocket in the few games I saw, and a little bit of coaching will help him with an initial false step. He really knows how to step into his throws, and he can throw the "frozen rope" pass. He will need to work on his reads (Ball St., believe it or not, did not run a complex offensive system) and his timing with NFL WR's. He has NFL starter potential, and that is fairly easy to project. He isn't ready now, but he has everything you look for in a middle round QB. I think he could be the answer to our back-up QB spot and could push Schaub down the road for the starting gig.

What are your thoughts/opinions on this matter (not just Davis). What are you looking to do or not do with QB's this year?

bah007
02-23-2009, 05:55 PM
If we trade Sage and we don't bring in a FA QB then I am looking at Bomar.

I have him as my #72 overall prospect so if he is there for our pick in the 3rd round then I could get behind that pick.

He has the size, mobility, and arm to be a starter in the NFL. He is a little bit too confident in his arm at this point and goes for the home run a little bit too often, but I think that with some good coaching he can be a steal in this draft. If he was coming out of Oklahoma instead of Sam Houston St then he would be going in the first round.

rmartin65
02-23-2009, 07:10 PM
I like Bomar in the 4th. I would even consider in the 3rd, depending how things shape up.

Honoring Earl 34
02-23-2009, 07:15 PM
Give up our whole draft for VY ... JK .

I'd say Davis or the Aggie in that order looking in the 4th and on .

Bubbajwp
02-23-2009, 07:29 PM
If we trade Sage and we don't bring in a FA QB then I am looking at Bomar.

I have him as my #72 overall prospect so if he is there for our pick in the 3rd round then I could get behind that pick.

He has the size, mobility, and arm to be a starter in the NFL. He is a little bit too confident in his arm at this point and goes for the home run a little bit too often, but I think that with some good coaching he can be a steal in this draft. If he was coming out of Oklahoma instead of Sam Houston St then he would be going in the first round.

What he said.

rarazz00
02-23-2009, 08:05 PM
McGee may move up in the draft..he had a pretty good combine...I think the Texans will target a QB(#2 Backup) in this draft. Even if Sage were to stay w/ us this season, we'll likely lose him after the 09 season. If we were to pick a QB in the early rounds that would negate our initial plan to go '"D", therefore I'm all about McGee in round 5/6.:fans:

The Pencil Neck
02-23-2009, 09:40 PM
Just a couple of quick points,
1. Gray is backing up Manning in Indy.
2. McNair hasn't shown anything about picking anyone. He's not Jerry Jones and I don't think he's trying to tell Smith who to pick or where to pick them or what to pay them.

I think we're going to trade Sage. And I think we're going to target Pat White. I don't know why I think that but I do. I'm hoping we bring Boyd back but I think they're going to grab some FA QB for a look-see.

76Texan
02-24-2009, 01:11 AM
The Utes' Brian Johnson might be an UDFA due to his size.
Even though they play the spread and zone read with him mostly in the shotgun, I think the guy's short game is worth looking at. He knows how to use all the weapons on the team.

I like Boyd, but I think his passing game is not up to NFL standard.
I'd rather take a longer look at Brinks.

beerlover
02-24-2009, 02:44 AM
Kubiak was real high on Brinks, don't know if that changed or not?

Wonder if Jake Plummer is interested in coming out of retirement?

Texas A&M's Stephen McGee looks decent but can't see Texans using that 4th they are getting for Sage then turning around & giving it right back?

Brett Farve could change his mind :thinking:

mussop
02-24-2009, 04:03 AM
Just a couple of quick points,
1. Gray is backing up Manning in Indy.
2. McNair hasn't shown anything about picking anyone. He's not Jerry Jones and I don't think he's trying to tell Smith who to pick or where to pick them or what to pay them.

I think we're going to trade Sage. And I think we're going to target Pat White. I don't know why I think that but I do. I'm hoping we bring Boyd back but I think they're going to grab some FA QB for a look-see.

I would love to get Pat White in the 3rd. Thing is he can actually contribute in other ways while learning the QB position.

edo783
02-24-2009, 05:11 AM
I would love to get Pat White in the 3rd. Thing is he can actually contribute in other ways while learning the QB position.

I like that idea also, but doubt he gets out of the second.

Polo
02-24-2009, 09:10 AM
I'm not spending a draft pick on a QB unless he can help the team in other ways....

Draft Pat White and bring in a veteran. We can Groom White to be the back-up QB but in the meanwhile he can contribute on special teams and on offense so we can actually carry three QB's without jepordizing the roster spots.

If we trade Jacoby that makes this even more possible.

Blake
02-24-2009, 09:34 AM
If Brink is not our #2 why would we draft a QB? How would we carry Schaub, Veteran Backup QB, Brink, and a Rookie QB? We would have to carry 3 on the roster, and try to practice squad the other one.

I am glad that someone finally called Freeman what he is. Trash. He is an over hyped JaMarcus Russell wanna be. And Stephen McGee? Really? I would vomit if we took that kid higher than 6-7th round.

Rhett Bomar gets my vote in the 4th if we take a QB at all.

We will have 8 draft picks if Sage goes.

1 Defensive End
2 Safety
3 Guard
4 D Tackle
4 Running Back
5 Linebacker
6 Wide Receiver
7 Linebacker


Personally I think we carry 3 QB's this year. Schaub, Brink and bring in a vet. Unless Bomar falls to us in the 4th, or White to us in the 3rd (Aint gonna happen) then we will get a QB another day.

Jackie Chiles
02-24-2009, 05:35 PM
Charles Davis apparently thinks we go QB....early.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/story?id=09000d5d80ee7377&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Team Pick Analysis

15. Houston Texans
Mark Sanchez
QB, USC A surprise for a team with Matt Schaub, but there is talk Sage Rosenfels could be on the move.

Terrible.

Thorn
02-24-2009, 05:55 PM
Charles Davis apparently thinks we go QB....early.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/story?id=09000d5d80ee7377&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Team Pick Analysis

15. Houston Texans
Mark Sanchez
QB, USC A surprise for a team with Matt Schaub, but there is talk Sage Rosenfels could be on the move.

Terrible.

LOL. No way we use anything higher than a 4th for a QB this year, and even that's to high. If the Texans pick another QB this year, it'll be in the bottom two rounds.

bah007
02-24-2009, 06:18 PM
I could have told you Charles Davis is a fool before I even read this.

Wolf6151
02-24-2009, 08:59 PM
I'd add Tom Brandstater to that list as a mid 4th - early 5th round pick. From the little I've seen and read about him, he's got a decent arm, good size, failry accurate and Kubiak can teach him the rest. I read that he did well at the Combine so he might be moving up.

threetoedpete
02-24-2009, 10:37 PM
My guess....the extra fourth is for a move up or they're going to take Pat White or Stephen Mcgee in the fourth....bring in a FA vet. Let the QBs fight it out in the summer. That's what they always do.

Goldensilence
02-25-2009, 10:59 AM
I hope they sign a FA vet for a year and pick up someone like Bomar or...McGee in the fourth. As a UT fan McGee is a royal pain in the ass. For everything that Franchione did to the kid he did as told and didn't ask questions. Guy has always been a gamer... I like that.

bah007
02-25-2009, 11:07 AM
I hope they sign a FA vet for a year and pick up someone like Bomar or...McGee in the fourth. As a UT fan McGee is a royal pain in the ass. For everything that Franchione did to the kid he did as told and didn't ask questions. Guy has always been a gamer... I like that.

McGee is a guy that actually plays with too much emotion on the field, which is the opposite of what a lot of guys get criticized for.

But he is a guy that will go out there and fight for you.

If he can tone it down a notch and keep his head in the game, then I think he can be a real catch. I said this in another thread and I really believe it: He looks like one of those guys that can hang around the NFL for a long time as a good backup QB. As a prospect, I think he is very comparable to Charlie Batch, and that ain't a bad thing for a guy that will probably go 4th-5th round.

HoustonFrog
02-25-2009, 11:25 AM
I think you always look for a QB. It may seem foolish to some but there seems to be many guys these days that do well in their system once they learn in the NFL. If you think someone has more talent than the players at other positions, take a chance late in the draft. At some point I like the idea of guys being groomed or at least seeing what they have.

Mr teX
02-25-2009, 01:16 PM
Stephen Mcgee.....He is a sleeper superstar qb if i ever saw 1. Showed well at the combine & He's got all the tools. Coming out of high school he was the &^%$, didn't quite have the career in college that everyone thought he should have mainly b/c of coaching & consequently fell in the NFL. If he gets drafted by a good coaching staff & is groomed properly, he could be special.

YoungTexanFan
02-25-2009, 02:18 PM
No other talks of Nate Davis? I don't know why all the love for McGee. I don't like his chances in the NFL.

bah007
02-25-2009, 02:32 PM
No other talks of Nate Davis? I don't know why all the love for McGee. I don't like his chances in the NFL.

I really like Davis. I would take him in the 4th unless Bomar is there.

He has the tools, but there are questions about whether or not he can pick up an NFL playbook.

threetoedpete
02-26-2009, 02:31 AM
I dunno YTF. Becuase at one time in his career our HC was Stephen Mcgee ?

I prefer Pat White....but I'd understand this pick.

YoungTexanFan
02-26-2009, 09:16 AM
I really like the discussion this got going. What if the Texans hold onto Sage, do you still look to take a QB this year? Or does that push QB up your 2010 draft board when we have no option of Sage.

rarazz00
02-27-2009, 07:41 AM
We really don't know how Coach Kubiak and Rick Smith view Nall or Brinks at this juncture. We'll find out in the draft. To keep Schaub healthy, we're gonna need to have a healthy backfield, which we haven't had. Kyle Shannahan will now be callin' the plays...the O-line was "gelling" at he end of the season and our schedule isn't like it was last year...If Schaub continues forcing the ball and turning it over, we'll be looking at McCoy of Bradford next year. If by chance we are gonna draft a QB this year, it will probably come in the latters rounds, say 5th on...some say N.Davis...he'll be gone by then...now who? Personally, I like McGee..He also will probably be gone by then...so who's left? and would that QB be worth a draft pick and or better than what you have already in Nall or Brinks...only Kubiak and Smith know..

I know in an earlier post I said the Texans would target a QB in rounds 5 or 6...(maybe McGee), again I think it's all contingent on how McSmithiak view Nall and Brinks

threetoedpete
02-28-2009, 01:46 PM
I really like Davis. I would take him in the 4th unless Bomar is there.

He has the tools, but there are questions about whether or not he can pick up an NFL playbook.

http://theredzonereport.com/2008/06/10/top-25-non-bcs-2009-draft-prospects/445/

2. Nate Davis, QB, Ball State: Davis has thrown for 5,642 yards and 48 touchdowns in his first two seasons at BSU, with only 14 interceptions. Above anything else, that decision-making ability might stand out the most to scouts, GMs, and coaches.

3. Dan LeFevour, QB, Central Michigan: LeFevour might be the best pass-run QB prospect since Vince Young, who he followed as the only QB in I-A history to throw for 3,000 yards and run for 1,000 yards in the same season, when he did it last year.

He’s a leader and a fighter, which he’s shown since his first game at CMU, against Boston College, when he nearly led the Chippewas back from a 21-point deficit in the 4th. The Chippewas play the likes of Georgia, Purdue, and Indiana this season, so LeFevour will have a chance to prove to the masses that he’s one of the best in the country. Round Projection: Late first, early second at worst.

bah007
03-01-2009, 02:25 PM
http://theredzonereport.com/2008/06/10/top-25-non-bcs-2009-draft-prospects/445/

OK. Thanks?