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TexansSeminole
02-25-2009, 12:43 AM
Go for Garcia or draft a QB with the pick you get from the trade for Sage. A 3rd or 4th rounder like Nate Davis could be #3 behind Brink and let them battle for the backup position. We will have 3 quarterbacks on the roster most likely next year if we get rid of Sage.

Specnatz
02-25-2009, 01:20 AM
Here's the complete list at least according to the link at the bottom:



http://www.footballsfuture.com/freeagents.html

I don't see Simms on the list.

I am starting to get the feeling it's Rex Grossman.

That list is wrong and out of date.

Big Poundcake
02-25-2009, 01:42 AM
Grossman would be good.

Plummer would be cool if we could talk him out of retirement.

I'm on record wanting Simms at QB.

VY is a possibility if Tenn. cuts him.

Garcia is a GAMER and tough as nails, but I think he wants to go somewhere where he can start.

dalemurphy
02-25-2009, 01:48 AM
Grossman would be good.

Plummer would be cool if we could talk him out of retirement.

I'm on record wanting Simms at QB.

VY is a possibility if Tenn. cuts him.

Garcia is a GAMER and tough as nails, but I think he wants to go somewhere where he can start.


I don't think NFL players are as open-minded about homosexuality as most of the country has become- particularly when it involves their offensive coordinator and backup QB.

bah007
02-25-2009, 01:58 AM
Grossman would be good.

Plummer would be cool if we could talk him out of retirement.

I'm on record wanting Simms at QB.

VY is a possibility if Tenn. cuts him.

Garcia is a GAMER and tough as nails, but I think he wants to go somewhere where he can start.

I actually don't like any of those options besides Garcia.

Big Poundcake
02-25-2009, 02:34 AM
I don't think NFL players are as open-minded about homosexuality as most of the country has become- particularly when it involves their offensive coordinator and backup QB.I don't want to even bring up what your talking about. Is it weird?YES. Simms has a wife and a kid though.


I also think Simms would be a good fit with our offense.

Specnatz
02-25-2009, 02:56 AM
Grossman would be good.

Plummer would be cool if we could talk him out of retirement.

I'm on record wanting Simms at QB.

VY is a possibility if Tenn. cuts him.

Garcia is a GAMER and tough as nails, but I think he wants to go somewhere where he can start.

Do you have a BEVO poster above your bed on the wall and a mirror on the ceiling?

GP
02-25-2009, 08:30 AM
I actually don't like any of those options besides Garcia.

I don't even like Jeff Garcia. I think he's erratic.

Draft one. Let him sit. Put in Brink or Nall if Schaub goes down. Then another year is done, and the draft pick can do what Brink did. Rinse. Repeat.

If Schaub is the future, then draft mid-round QBs as insurance.

HoustonFrog
02-25-2009, 09:05 AM
But I would sign him in a second though.

Garcia said he doesn't have to be a starter. His problem is can he throw downfield...not really a fit..but I like him.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3911129

"I do feel like I have football life in me,'' Garcia said. "I feel I can still contribute. I'm not sure what my role will be with another team. I'm not looking at it like I need to start and be the man ... Hopefully, I'll have some opportunities out there. I'm pretty sure there's going to be something out there for me.

If people want to be realistic, they are going to find someone who can do as adequate a job as Sage but be better manging a game and get their 4th. A simple guy/ They aren't going to break the bank. That is why I keep saying Ramsey. Or Losman. Or Fitzpatrick. Orlosky may want to start. But it will be a fit to manage the games.

TimeKiller
02-25-2009, 09:16 AM
Orlovsky may want to start. .


Start what? Paying attention to the boundary lines?

Garcia would be a good backup, even though he says he's alright with backing up you have to believe a guy with his type of competitive streak would be pressing for playing time.

HoustonFrog
02-25-2009, 09:20 AM
Start what? Paying attention to the boundary lines?

Garcia would be a good backup, even though he says he's alright with backing up you have to believe a guy with his type of competitive streak would be pressing for playing time.

He is young and is not really a "vet" backup. He was in a crap situation in Detroit. Yes, he made some dumb moves but everything I've read says he wants to start or at least compete for a year instead of being Culpeppers backup.

steelbtexan
02-25-2009, 09:34 AM
Fitzpatrick

He's a Harvard guy so you know he can learn the offense.

He has a strong arm & played fairly well for the Bengals considering the state of their OL.

HOU-TEX
02-25-2009, 09:40 AM
We looked at Ramsey once, but can't remember if we offered anything. He ended up going to Denver, I think. If we liked him then I'd expect Ramsey to be the guy.

Is Griese still under contract? Personally, I'd rather have Brian than others being listed.

TimeKiller
02-25-2009, 12:24 PM
He is young and is not really a "vet" backup. He was in a crap situation in Detroit. Yes, he made some dumb moves but everything I've read says he wants to start or at least compete for a year instead of being Culpeppers backup.
Everyone was in a crap situation in Detroit, that doesn't excuse him. Everyone was responsible for the worst team in history, including Orlovsky and his unbelievably low basic field awareness. He wants to start but he can't beat out CULPEPPER? No thanks man, our team is on the rise because Smith has improved competition/depth at most spots and this would certainly be a step down even from Rosencoptor.

Fitzpatrick

He's a Harvard guy so you know he can learn the offense.

He has a strong arm & played fairly well for the Bengals considering the state of their OL.
Isn't he kind of fast too? You know that gets points from Kubiak who loves rolling out...

GP
02-25-2009, 12:31 PM
Fitzpatrick

He's a Harvard guy so you know he can learn the offense.

He has a strong arm & played fairly well for the Bengals considering the state of their OL.

Nerdier version of Sage.

HoustonFrog
02-25-2009, 12:34 PM
Everyone was in a crap situation in Detroit, that doesn't excuse him. Everyone was responsible for the worst team in history, including Orlovsky and his unbelievably low basic field awareness. He wants to start but he can't beat out CULPEPPER? No thanks man, our team is on the rise because Smith has improved competition/depth at most spots and this would certainly be a step down even from Rosencoptor.


Isn't he kind of fast too? You know that gets points from Kubiak who loves rolling out...

We are on the same page, so no need to sell me here. I am not saying he deserves to start. I'm saying he is one of the FAs out there and that his name comes up but HE is saying he wants to start. It was only thrown out from the list.

Mailman
02-25-2009, 12:35 PM
Fitzpatrick

He's a Harvard guy so you know he can learn the offense.

He has a strong arm & played fairly well for the Bengals considering the state of their OL.

This is my choice, too. He did okay last year on a horrible team and faced some tough defenses. I think he'd be a capable backup to Schaub.

Sal Rosenberg
02-25-2009, 12:36 PM
Do you think Jeff Garcia would push or beat Matt for the starting job?

HoustonFrog
02-25-2009, 12:40 PM
Do you think Jeff Garcia would push or beat Matt for the starting job?

No. Again, he is a fiery competitor and a good QB but in our system you have to be able to chuck it downfield and Garcia is a guy who is good throwing the West Coast short to medium throws but he has always had problems getting it deep.

Goldensilence
02-25-2009, 12:46 PM
Do you think Jeff Garcia would push or beat Matt for the starting job?

I don't think he would but I don't want a repeat of the situation with Sage. I don't want a backup Qb pressing for the starting position.

What concerns me is seeing some people commenting on whether they are excited about X QB coming in. Honestly I don't WANT to be excited about my BACKUP. I want to be excited about my starter and want to see him go the full 16 games plus playoffs(if we make it).

Re: my backup i want to be like okay he's capable and won't melt down if put into a temporary starting position. If the backup is someone that excites people i the groundhog day feeling.

bah007
02-25-2009, 01:08 PM
I don't think he would but I don't want a repeat of the situation with Sage. I don't want a backup Qb pressing for the starting position.

What concerns me is seeing some people commenting on whether they are excited about X QB coming in. Honestly I don't WANT to be excited about my BACKUP. I want to be excited about my starter and want to see him go the full 16 games plus playoffs(if we make it).

Re: my backup i want to be like okay he's capable and won't melt down if put into a temporary starting position. If the backup is someone that excites people i the groundhog day feeling.

Damon Huard all the way.

Cjeremy635
02-25-2009, 01:12 PM
I don't think he would but I don't want a repeat of the situation with Sage. I don't want a backup Qb pressing for the starting position.
What concerns me is seeing some people commenting on whether they are excited about X QB coming in. Honestly I don't WANT to be excited about my BACKUP. I want to be excited about my starter and want to see him go the full 16 games plus playoffs(if we make it).

Re: my backup i want to be like okay he's capable and won't melt down if put into a temporary starting position. If the backup is someone that excites people i the groundhog day feeling.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I believe that competition makes you better. Do I want a controversy every week? No, why deal with that type of drama, but if the new QB is better in camp and has a better chemistry, why not start him. This may be a far off thought, and I'm probably going to get hammered for even bringing it up, but you guys need to remember how many of us were complaining in the Carr era that there was no competition for that spot. Now don't get confused, I'm not even comparing Carr to Shaub in the least sense, but I remember the belly aching going on about not having a reliable backup who wanted to be a starter and had the fire to push for the opportunity. That's what it's all about to me. Don't settle for mediocre because you don't want to hurt someone's feelings.

Hardcore Texan
02-25-2009, 01:16 PM
I don't think he would but I don't want a repeat of the situation with Sage. I don't want a backup Qb pressing for the starting position.

What concerns me is seeing some people commenting on whether they are excited about X QB coming in. Honestly I don't WANT to be excited about my BACKUP. I want to be excited about my starter and want to see him go the full 16 games plus playoffs(if we make it).

Re: my backup i want to be like okay he's capable and won't melt down if put into a temporary starting position. If the backup is someone that excites people i the groundhog day feeling.

If the starter goes down there is nothing wrong with people being excited in the capabilities of a good back up.

Personally, I want us to go with someone we will feel at least as comfortable with as we did Sage.

HoustonFrog
02-25-2009, 01:25 PM
I don't think he would but I don't want a repeat of the situation with Sage. I don't want a backup Qb pressing for the starting position.

What concerns me is seeing some people commenting on whether they are excited about X QB coming in. Honestly I don't WANT to be excited about my BACKUP. I want to be excited about my starter and want to see him go the full 16 games plus playoffs(if we make it).

Re: my backup i want to be like okay he's capable and won't melt down if put into a temporary starting position. If the backup is someone that excites people i the groundhog day feeling.

Very well said. Too much love for the backup equals your starter not doing something or not playing enough. You need a guy who is good enough to be a game manager and not lose games for you in the starters absence. That is what guys like Beurlein, Peete, Kosar and some others did for the Boys when Aikman went down. Vets who could play but manage games.

InterestedJeff
02-25-2009, 01:28 PM
We looked at Ramsey once, but can't remember if we offered anything. He ended up going to Denver, I think. If we liked him then I'd expect Ramsey to be the guy.

Is Griese still under contract? Personally, I'd rather have Brian than others being listed.

I'm partial to Ramsey... he's my cousin so it'd be pretty sweet to have him here in town playing on my favorite team. He's pretty tight lipped right now and to be honest, has never let me in on inside dealings. He's a really smart guy with 2 degrees from Tulane. He's also got good size and strength for a NFL QB. His main problem is that his first 3 years in the league were under the infamous Steve Spurrier. Spurrier drafted him with the 31st pick in the same draft that Carr and Harrington were selected. That's not saying too much for that year's QB class. I think he would do an excellent job at filling in if Shaub gets hurt. I dont know if he'll ever be a true starting QB though.

Wolf
02-25-2009, 01:32 PM
Maybe I'm wrong, but I believe that competition makes you better. Do I want a controversy every week? No, why deal with that type of drama, but if the new QB is better in camp and has a better chemistry, why not start him. This may be a far off thought, and I'm probably going to get hammered for even bringing it up, but you guys need to remember how many of us were complaining in the Carr era that there was no competition for that spot. Now don't get confused, I'm not even comparing Carr to Shaub in the least sense, but I remember the belly aching going on about not having a reliable backup who wanted to be a starter and had the fire to push for the opportunity. That's what it's all about to me. Don't settle for mediocre because you don't want to hurt someone's feelings.

agreed. we saw what happened when we had a "starter" for 5 years and wasn't pushed

Goldensilence
02-25-2009, 01:33 PM
Maybe I'm wrong, but I believe that competition makes you better. Do I want a controversy every week? No, why deal with that type of drama, but if the new QB is better in camp and has a better chemistry, why not start him. This may be a far off thought, and I'm probably going to get hammered for even bringing it up, but you guys need to remember how many of us were complaining in the Carr era that there was no competition for that spot. Now don't get confused, I'm not even comparing Carr to Shaub in the least sense, but I remember the belly aching going on about not having a reliable backup who wanted to be a starter and had the fire to push for the opportunity. That's what it's all about to me. Don't settle for mediocre because you don't want to hurt someone's feelings.

Competition for most spots is good I think. But when you're the triggerman for an offense I think the psyche is much more different then any position. Fine line between letting the starter know you are ready to take the reigns and all out competition for the starter role. Too much and you have a starter getting scared every time he makes a mistake he's going to get yanked so maybe he doesn't take that risk on the downfield pass or a matchup that has a slight edge. On the backside of that you've got a backup who is willing to take big risks to show he is a capable playmaker on the field and forces passes he shouldn't.

Looking around the NFL the biggest thing holding some teams back is stability at the QB position. The only team last year that made the playoffs with lingering questions at QB is Tennessee but they also decided to go ahead and commit the team going through the season under Kerry. If you've got questions in the offseason and you've got two QBs that have starter potential then let them battle it out. Then you commit to one of them as the starter and go from there.

The thing that bothers me about the QB competition crowd and Schaub vs Sage this entire time has been the glossing over the level of commitment the organization has made to Schaub. It would've been one thing had Schaub been brought in as a FA QB to battle with Sage for the starting position. That wasn't he case obviously because of the trade for Matt. You don't make a trade like that unless you are convinced that he's capable of not only being your long term starter but also he has the tools to get the team into the playoffs. How bad does it look to your team, fanbase and owner if you make a trade like that, under those premises, and then say okay the QB is officially open for competition!

At least that's the logic in my mind. :twocents:

HoustonFrog
02-25-2009, 02:06 PM
Competition for most spots is good I think. But when you're the triggerman for an offense I think the psyche is much more different then any position. Fine line between letting the starter know you are ready to take the reigns and all out competition for the starter role. Too much and you have a starter getting scared every time he makes a mistake he's going to get yanked so maybe he doesn't take that risk on the downfield pass or a matchup that has a slight edge. On the backside of that you've got a backup who is willing to take big risks to show he is a capable playmaker on the field and forces passes he shouldn't.

Looking around the NFL the biggest thing holding some teams back is stability at the QB position. The only team last year that made the playoffs with lingering questions at QB is Tennessee but they also decided to go ahead and commit the team going through the season under Kerry. If you've got questions in the offseason and you've got two QBs that have starter potential then let them battle it out. Then you commit to one of them as the starter and go from there.

The thing that bothers me about the QB competition crowd and Schaub vs Sage this entire time has been the glossing over the level of commitment the organization has made to Schaub. It would've been one thing had Schaub been brought in as a FA QB to battle with Sage for the starting position. That wasn't he case obviously because of the trade for Matt. You don't make a trade like that unless you are convinced that he's capable of not only being your long term starter but also he has the tools to get the team into the playoffs. How bad does it look to your team, fanbase and owner if you make a trade like that, under those premises, and then say okay the QB is officially open for competition!

At least that's the logic in my mind. :twocents:

Again, more good points. The last thing you want is your QB to make a bad move and then start looking over to the sidelines to see if the other guy is warming up. He has to be able to know he can take his chances and play aggressively without holding his collective breath.

Now, that isn't to say that consistent bad play or not learning from mistakes should be tolerated but 2-3 subpar games out of 16 in a season isn't a reason to chant the backups name.

Polo
02-25-2009, 02:08 PM
Maybe I'm wrong, but I believe that competition makes you better. Do I want a controversy every week? No, why deal with that type of drama, but if the new QB is better in camp and has a better chemistry, why not start him. This may be a far off thought, and I'm probably going to get hammered for even bringing it up, but you guys need to remember how many of us were complaining in the Carr era that there was no competition for that spot. Now don't get confused, I'm not even comparing Carr to Shaub in the least sense, but I remember the belly aching going on about not having a reliable backup who wanted to be a starter and had the fire to push for the opportunity. That's what it's all about to me. Don't settle for mediocre because you don't want to hurt someone's feelings.

Sage was given ample opprotunity to prove that he would have been a better solution than Schaub....

What evidence do we have that says Kubiak wouldn't hav eventually went with Sage had he shown he was clearly the better prospect ?

Goldensilence
02-25-2009, 05:08 PM
If the starter goes down there is nothing wrong with people being excited in the capabilities of a good back up.

Personally, I want us to go with someone we will feel at least as comfortable with as we did Sage.

I understand the logic behind wanting a capable backup. That's a no brainer.

I guess I'll have to outright say I don't like he idea of getting excited about my backup because it makes me feel like once again there's going to be a club cheering for the backup. Bad as the Sage fan club was I'd hate to see a Jeff Garcia Fan club.

Sage was given ample opprotunity to prove that he would have been a better solution than Schaub....

What evidence do we have that says Kubiak wouldn't hav eventually went with Sage had he shown he was clearly the better prospect ?

Sage's only real opportunity to prove himself as starting material was before Matt Schaub trade was made. It is unfortunate his hand got broken or he could've ended the season over David Carr. He couldn't prove to be a long term solution to Kubiak so the trade for Schaub was made. After that Sage's only real opportunity to start was going to be step in as the starter and really set the league on fire. Barring that he never had a real shot at challenging for the spot. IMO.

HOU-TEX
02-26-2009, 03:46 PM
It appears Sage is getting a head start meeting his new team.

Sage Rosenfels is in the Twin Cities Thursday afternoon in anticipation of being traded from the Texans to the Vikings.

The plan is to have Rosenfels sign a three-year, $9M contract and "compete" with Tarvaris Jackson, but we can't imagine a non-injury related scenario in which Rosenfels would lose. Houston is getting a fourth-round pick.

http://www.rotoworld.com/Content/playernews.aspx?sport=NFL

Buffi2
02-26-2009, 03:49 PM
Bless his little helicoptering heart - he wants to be a starting QB in the worst way. Best of luck, Sage.

texanmojo
02-26-2009, 03:57 PM
Bless his little helicoptering heart

Epic...

Specnatz
02-26-2009, 03:58 PM
Bless his little helicoptering heart - he wants to be a starting QB in the worst way. Best of luck, Sage.

:splits:

Txn_in_FL
02-26-2009, 04:06 PM
Bless his little helicoptering heart - he wants to be a starting QB in the worst way. Best of luck, Sage.

That's such a sweet way to put it. Rep for you since I'm in such a fantastic mood today.

Mailman
02-26-2009, 04:18 PM
Good luck Sage!

May your 2009 season be a successful one that ends in Super Bowl loss to the Houston Texans.

GP
02-26-2009, 04:26 PM
Bless his little helicoptering heart - he wants to be a starting QB in the worst way. Best of luck, Sage.

That first part of your post sorta' contradicts the last part of your post.

Put the man down, then say "best of luck, Sage..." So what if he wants to be a starter? And so what if a team wants to give him that shot? You make it sound like he's challenged or something.

Which is it? Heckling the guy on the way out, or a sincere "best of luck"?

I haven't cringed at any of your posts until now. What gives? That's not you.

Hervoyel
02-26-2009, 04:36 PM
That first part of your post sorta' contradicts the last part of your post.

Put the man down, then say "best of luck, Sage..." So what if he wants to be a starter? And so what if a team wants to give him that shot? You make it sound like he's challenged or something.

Which is it? Heckling the guy on the way out, or a sincere "best of luck"?

I haven't cringed at any of your posts until now. What gives? That's not you.

I think you're taking it in a way that isn't there maybe.

This expression, I do not think it means what you think it means.

Joe Texan
02-26-2009, 04:36 PM
Later Sage and good luck

Texecutioner
02-26-2009, 04:40 PM
That first part of your post sorta' contradicts the last part of your post.

Put the man down, then say "best of luck, Sage..." So what if he wants to be a starter? And so what if a team wants to give him that shot? You make it sound like he's challenged or something.

Which is it? Heckling the guy on the way out, or a sincere "best of luck"?

I haven't cringed at any of your posts until now. What gives? That's not you.

Kind of agree with you here.

Sage gets a lot of bashing when all he was, was a 2nd string QB. He played his well as he could play and really wanted to start here.

Good luck Sage. I hope you get the starting job in Minne and play well.

TimeKiller
02-26-2009, 04:46 PM
Now we just need to find a guy named "Moron" who makes good decisions.

Sal Rosenberg
02-26-2009, 05:25 PM
is this trade ever going to happen?I have been waiting a year.:foottap:

Porky
02-26-2009, 05:31 PM
Good riddance Rosencopter. May your brain be donated to science so future generations can learn from your stupidity.

mattieuk
02-26-2009, 05:39 PM
is this trade ever going to happen?I have been waiting a year.:foottap:

Maybe they'll wait to the start of the trading period, and do it then? ;)

It would be interesting to see how the year would've gone with Sage being traded last year though...

Second Honeymoon
02-26-2009, 05:41 PM
Shalom and Good Luck to you Sage. You did a good job backing up Carr and Rosenfels and I at least appreciate that you tried to make a play. It's sad that you will be remembered for Rosencopter and not for your play on the field. Hopefully you will succeed with the Vikings and it could be the perfect situation. Just bundle up for Chicago and Green Bay in the winter.

Hopefully Vikings fan won't expect him to come in and tear up the league but I think he could have a lot of success under Childress with their OL talent and their ability to run the ball consistently with Peterson and Taylor.

mattieuk
02-26-2009, 05:47 PM
Kind of agree with you here.

Sage gets a lot of bashing when all he was, was a 2nd string QB. He played his well as he could play and really wanted to start here.

Good luck Sage. I hope you get the starting job in Minne and play well.

I think the problem lies there within. A lot of the Texans fans thought and hoped that he could be the starting QB, and was judged for a large part of his time as a potential starting QB, rather than the backup quarterback. This was a large part of his Houston downfall I think. If he had been seen as a backup QB, and acted as one, he would have never had run into the crap he did. Although, nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Its in the past now, he tried his best, he didn't succeed, and I hope he gets the rub of the green in purple, and does well.

Malloy
02-26-2009, 05:50 PM
Shalom and Good Luck to you Sage. You did a good job backing up Carr and Rosenfels and I at least appreciate that you tried to make a play.

huh, am I drinking too much these days or ? :)

DiehardChris
02-26-2009, 05:51 PM
I wish him well. I was as pissed at him as anyone for Rosencopter, but he's still in the top three of NFL backup QBs. He handled his situation with class, and suffered through having to backup David Carr, for eff's sake.

I hope he does well. Hopefully he's never a passenger in Jared Allen's car, though.

dalemurphy
02-26-2009, 05:55 PM
Shalom and Good Luck to you Sage. You did a good job backing up Carr and Rosenfels and I at least appreciate that you tried to make a play. It's sad that you will be remembered for Rosencopter and not for your play on the field. Hopefully you will succeed with the Vikings and it could be the perfect situation. Just bundle up for Chicago and Green Bay in the winter.

Hopefully Vikings fan won't expect him to come in and tear up the league but I think he could have a lot of success under Childress with their OL talent and their ability to run the ball consistently with Peterson and Taylor.

Ummm, I totally agree with what you said... Wow!

Buffi2
02-26-2009, 05:55 PM
That first part of your post sorta' contradicts the last part of your post.

Put the man down, then say "best of luck, Sage..." So what if he wants to be a starter? And so what if a team wants to give him that shot? You make it sound like he's challenged or something.

Which is it? Heckling the guy on the way out, or a sincere "best of luck"?

I haven't cringed at any of your posts until now. What gives? That's not you.

Whoa there fellow Texan fan. I didn't intend to put him down but I can, now that I re-read it, see where it could sound that way. I just meant that if there was ever a QB who wanted to be a starter - Sage is the guy and he has waited so very long for a chance - bless his heart - the helicoptering just popped out but wasn't intended in a nasty way. For the record, I do wish him the best of luck and hope he gets his chance at long last.

SheTexan
02-26-2009, 05:57 PM
AND we're replacing him with WHO??? Little premature IMHO, but, I wish him well and hope he has a successful career in Minn.

edo783
02-26-2009, 07:17 PM
I suspect that the Vikes just became the team to beat in the NFC Central. All they were lacking was REASONABLE QB play and that fits Sage pretty well, unless you stress him and he tries to do too much......then, it's interception central and bad decision time. Good luck to him,he has really wanted to be a starter and now he is and on a pretty darn good team to boot.

mattieuk
02-26-2009, 07:34 PM
I suspect that the Vikes just became the team to beat in the NFC Central. All they were lacking was REASONABLE QB play and that fits Sage pretty well, unless you stress him and he tries to do too much......then, it's interception central and bad decision time. Good luck to him,he has really wanted to be a starter and now he is and on a pretty darn good team to boot.

Yup, think that may well be true. Any QB with AP running for you is going to have a workload taken off his shoulders, and I can't see Sage not really doing well there, as long as there aren't any major injuries...I can see him having fun and posting decent numbers with Berrian as well.

Lucky
02-26-2009, 08:23 PM
I suspect that the Vikes just became the team to beat in the NFC Central.
Weren't the Vikings already the team to beat in the NFC Central?

I just saw the list of FA QBs on NFLN and I'm a bit surprised that Minnesota didn't go after one of those guys and keep their draft pick.

Sage or Kerry Collins and a 4th?
Sage or Jeff Garcia and a 4th?
Sage or J.P. Losman and a 4th?

Brad Chidress must think he's the coach who can keep the Good Sage good. And exorcise the Bad Sage. Good luck with that, Brad.

edo783
02-26-2009, 08:51 PM
Weren't the Vikings already the team to beat in the NFC Central?.

IMO, not really. Looked to me like a 3 team jam up with the Vikes, GB and Da Bears all of whom had pros & cons as to why they were the leader. With Sage, I think they just separated themselves from that group.

The1ApplePie
02-26-2009, 11:34 PM
I always got the impression that if it weren't for the Rosencopter incident, Fragile Mattie would never have gotten his starting job back

Best of luck Sage but I'm glad we have the draft pick

Norg
02-26-2009, 11:43 PM
Umm dont wall mean NFC North :P

has of right now


Sage
Aron rogers
Kyle orton...who might have to compete
THe lions QB whoever that might be ?????

steelbtexan
02-26-2009, 11:47 PM
EDO

Brad Childress agrees with you, if he's wrong he will be on the unemployment line soon.

The Pencil Neck
02-27-2009, 12:22 AM
I always got the impression that if it weren't for the Rosencopter incident, Fragile Mattie would never have gotten his starting job back


I have absolutely no idea where you got that impression.

Specnatz
02-27-2009, 01:32 AM
I have absolutely no idea where you got that impression.

It comes from the section of the backup is always the best option. Remember how Commander Cody and Bucky Richardson were treated.

threetoedpete
02-27-2009, 08:19 AM
Is it a done deal ?

610 just reported it.

Mari-OWNED!
02-27-2009, 08:35 AM
Is it a done deal ?

610 just reported it.

Yeah it's official now. Sage is a Viking, and Texans get their 4th round pick.

4Texans
02-27-2009, 08:35 AM
Is it a done deal ?

610 just reported it.

Is it? I haven't heard or seen anything confirming it yet.

Mari-OWNED!
02-27-2009, 08:36 AM
Is it? I haven't heard or seen anything confirming it yet.

http://www.rotoworld.com/Content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFl&id=1276

Scout.com Adam's Caplan has confirmed that the Vikings acquired Sage Rosenfels from the Texans for a fourth-round pick. Rosenfels signed a three-year, $9 million contract with Minnesota.
Minnesota nicely upgrades their quarterback position cheaply. The contract is so reasonable we could see Minnesota adding another free agent or draft pick to the mix. Rosenfels, however, looks like the heavy favorite to start for now and should put up workmanlike stats on the run-first team.

HoustonFrog
02-27-2009, 08:44 AM
http://www.rotoworld.com/Content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFl&id=1276

Scout.com Adam's Caplan has confirmed that the Vikings acquired Sage Rosenfels from the Texans for a fourth-round pick. Rosenfels signed a three-year, $9 million contract with Minnesota.
Minnesota nicely upgrades their quarterback position cheaply. The contract is so reasonable we could see Minnesota adding another free agent or draft pick to the mix. Rosenfels, however, looks like the heavy favorite to start for now and should put up workmanlike stats on the run-first team.

Good for him. I'm glad the Texans did this and I think it works for both teams. We can get a Sage Light in Ramsey or Fitzpatrick or someone and we get a pick.

Thorn
02-27-2009, 08:54 AM
http://www.rotoworld.com/Content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFl&id=1276

Scout.com Adam's Caplan has confirmed that the Vikings acquired Sage Rosenfels from the Texans for a fourth-round pick. Rosenfels signed a three-year, $9 million contract with Minnesota.
Minnesota nicely upgrades their quarterback position cheaply. The contract is so reasonable we could see Minnesota adding another free agent or draft pick to the mix. Rosenfels, however, looks like the heavy favorite to start for now and should put up workmanlike stats on the run-first team.

I've cheered, booed, and pulled my hair out over Sage in the past. At one point in time I even supported him over Schaub. Right now, I wish him nothing but luck and hope he get's to start. I'm gonna be eyeing real closely the player we get with Minnesota's pick.

TheRealJoker
02-27-2009, 09:02 AM
Deal could be a win-win for both sides. Vikings get a QB that is competent half the time, we get an extra pick in our money round!!!

Hervoyel
02-27-2009, 09:15 AM
Weren't the Vikings already the team to beat in the NFC Central?


I always thought the Lions were the team to beat in the NFC Central. I mean, that's who everyone beats right?

Ryan
02-27-2009, 09:19 AM
LOL rep

Hervoyel
02-27-2009, 09:20 AM
Good for him. I'm glad the Texans did this and I think it works for both teams. We can get a Sage Light in Ramsey or Fitzpatrick or someone and we get a pick.


I'd like to see the Texans look at Fitzpatrick. We've played him twice and both times he scared me. Once he beat us and the other time he was admittedly on a team that had nothing going for it but I still kept thinking "That guys gonna get hot in a minute and start lighting up our secondary".

I'm serious. I think he's exactly the kind of QB that Kubiak can work with and turn into an asset. Who knows, you give him 3 years here and we might be talking about getting a 4th for Fitzpatrick someday.

Txn_in_FL
02-27-2009, 09:24 AM
I've cheered, booed, and pulled my hair out over Sage in the past. At one point in time I even supported him over Schaub. Right now, I wish him nothing but luck and hope he get's to start. I'm gonna be eyeing real closely the player we get with Minnesota's pick.

I'm with you on this. Last season was just too much for me, way too sketchy. You knew a pick was coming and the more he threw the more my anxiety went up. I wish him the best out there with the Vikes.

Mari-OWNED!
02-27-2009, 09:29 AM
I'd like to see the Texans look at Fitzpatrick. We've played him twice and both times he scared me. Once he beat us and the other time he was admittedly on a team that had nothing going for it but I still kept thinking "That guys gonna get hot in a minute and start lighting up our secondary".

I'm serious. I think he's exactly the kind of QB that Kubiak can work with and turn into an asset. Who knows, you give him 3 years here and we might be talking about getting a 4th for Fitzpatrick someday.

I agree with you on Fitzpatrick, I'd much rather have him as our backup QB than Patrick Ramsey like a lot of members on the board are suggesting.

El Tejano
02-27-2009, 09:37 AM
So this gives us eight picks in the draft now right? I know we are going to lose one of them due to the rule violation, so really we have seven.

GP
02-27-2009, 09:38 AM
Whoa there fellow Texan fan. I didn't intend to put him down but I can, now that I re-read it, see where it could sound that way. I just meant that if there was ever a QB who wanted to be a starter - Sage is the guy and he has waited so very long for a chance - bless his heart - the helicoptering just popped out but wasn't intended in a nasty way. For the record, I do wish him the best of luck and hope he gets his chance at long last.

OK. That's what I figured. Just checking.

It's hard to read emails/texts/etc. and get the full picture of what someone means. Thanks for the clarification, buffi2.

And as everyone else has said: I, as well, can't wait to see who we draft in round 4. This was a win-win situation, IMO.

bigbrewster2000
02-27-2009, 09:38 AM
So this gives us eight picks in the draft now right? I know we are going to lose one of them due to the rule violation, so really we have seven.

I would say that there is almost zero chance we lose a pick for that since this is the first time we are being reprimanded

HOU-TEX
02-27-2009, 09:40 AM
Congrats, Sage. You now have what you've wanted for so long. I sure hope you can make the best of it.

Now, who's going to be the QB to come in and start the next QB controversy? The Fitz? The Ramster? The self Safety?

:fans:

HoustonFrog
02-27-2009, 09:49 AM
I'd like to see the Texans look at Fitzpatrick. We've played him twice and both times he scared me. Once he beat us and the other time he was admittedly on a team that had nothing going for it but I still kept thinking "That guys gonna get hot in a minute and start lighting up our secondary".

I'm serious. I think he's exactly the kind of QB that Kubiak can work with and turn into an asset. Who knows, you give him 3 years here and we might be talking about getting a 4th for Fitzpatrick someday.

Agree. I think a few of the FAs are younger guys that can be worked with and who can do just as well as Sage. I like Fitzpatrick too. Ramsey isn't a stud by any means but he has seemed to be good insurance for many systems and sometimes safe works.

spurstexanstros
02-27-2009, 10:12 AM
Good luck Sage.... you played well at times and won us some games.

So long start Sage threads...you will not be missed.

4Texans
02-27-2009, 11:29 AM
This must be an error. NFL.com is saying that Sage got a 2 year contract for $9M....

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80ef868a&template=without-video&confirm=true

Goldensilence
02-27-2009, 11:36 AM
Good luck Sage.... you played well at times and won us some games.

So long start Sage threads...you will not be missed.

Understatement of the offseason.

Thorn
02-27-2009, 11:41 AM
So long start Sage threads...you will not be missed.

I'm starting a "Start Ramsey" thread now.... :user:

ChampionTexan
02-27-2009, 11:46 AM
I'm starting a "Start Ramsey" thread now.... :user:

Be sure to include the fact that he didn't get a chance to compete for the starting job during training camp!

badboy
02-27-2009, 12:49 PM
This must be an error. NFL.com is saying that Sage got a 2 year contract for $9M....

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80ef868a&template=without-video&confirm=trueThree years 9 mill

nero THE zero
02-27-2009, 12:53 PM
This must be an error. NFL.com is saying that Sage got a 2 year contract for $9M....

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80ef868a&template=without-video&confirm=true

That's the AP story. It also says Rick Smith is his agent.

mussop
02-27-2009, 03:50 PM
That's the AP story. It also says Rick Smith is his agent.

HIs agents name is Rick Smith.

Fox
02-27-2009, 04:20 PM
The Vikes already have so many pieces in place, they're going to be a good team with Sage under center for them, IMO. Good move for both teams. I think Sage is far too prone to turnovers to pencil them in as NFC champs, but they should be strong contenders in the NFC.

Goatcheese
02-27-2009, 04:22 PM
Did sage take a helicopter up there, or did he just take off and fly himself?:whip:

Good luck with that Vikings fans.

Mailman
02-27-2009, 05:18 PM
Check out the notation for today's update. Ouch.

http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftorder2009.php

4Texans
02-28-2009, 07:51 AM
This must be an error. NFL.com is saying that Sage got a 2 year contract for $9M....

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80ef868a&template=without-video&confirm=true

This morning in the Chronicle, McClain is calling it a 2 year Extension. He was under contract through 2009.

Maddict5
02-28-2009, 08:46 AM
its 3 yrs.. they had a 3 page argument about it on a vikes mb :)

Jottoz
02-28-2009, 08:09 PM
Finally we got an insider in their locker room who can put some IcyHot in Jared Allens jock strap! Whoo Hoo!:bat:

4Texans
02-28-2009, 10:15 PM
Finally we got an insider in their locker room who can put some IcyHot in Jared Allens jock strap! Whoo Hoo!:bat:

:spit:

Like JA needs anything to make him move faster!:superman:

JayCee
03-02-2009, 02:09 PM
poor old Sage, could be a back up again :)

from pft


REPORT: VIKINGS INTERESTED IN CUTLER
Posted by Mike Florio on March 2, 2009, 1:46 p.m. EST

With Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler officially declaring that coach Josh McDaniels is no longer his “BFF,” the question becomes whether the Broncos will resume efforts to trade the disgruntled three-year pass-thrower.

Buried in an item from Mike Klis of the Denver Post is a disclosure that the Lions and the Vikings are interested in Cutler. (Presumably, the Buccaneers are still willing to talk turkey, too.)

The Lions already had been disclosed as a potentially interested team, but the Vikings are the eyebrow-raiser.

Though the Vikings already have traded for, and extended the contract of, quarterback Sage Rosenfels, a Cutler-Sage depth chart would look a lot better to Minnesota fans that the forgettable Tarvaris-Frerotte pairing of 2008 — not to mention the nightmarish Jackson-Holcomb-Bollinger revolving door from the prior season.

The question is whether the Vikes would pull the trigger, and what it would take to get Cutler from Denver. After sending a first-round pick and two third-round picks to Kansas City for defensive end Jared Allen last year, trading away another first-round pick would undermine the team’s ability to continue its effort to develop a nucleus of solid young players.

Then again, a quarterback can play for a long time, and franchise quarterbacks like Cutler rarely are available.

Meanwhile, Rosenfels’ three-year, $9 million deal doesn’t scream out “starter money,” which would give the Vikings the ability to pay Cutler.

And since he’s under contract for at least two more years (we’re assuming that 2011 is voidable), the Vikes would have time to get a long-term deal done, and in the interim would absorb manageable base salaries of $1.03 million and $1.42 million. (That said, there could be bonuses and escalators that drive up those numbers considerably.)

The question is whether the Vikings think they need both a franchise quarterback and a franchise running back. Based on the acquisition of Rosenfels, the answer apparently is, “No.” But with the career of coach Brad Childress hinging on what the team does in 2009, it makes sense to at least explore what it would take to pry Cutler away from the Broncos, especially at a time when Cutler is clamoring to get out.

While Rosenfels could take the Vikings to places they haven’t been in a long, long time, the chances of Cutler getting it done are considerably greater.

dickieb
03-02-2009, 03:43 PM
That would be just Sage's luck. Can you amagine the rug being pulled from underneath him again - that would suck for him. Nice guys finish last (just like we usually do in the AFC South).

Hooston Texan
03-02-2009, 04:03 PM
That would be just Sage's luck. Can you amagine the rug being pulled from underneath him again - that would suck for him. Nice guys finish last (just like we usually do in the AFC South).

That would royally suck for Sage. But, were the Broncos and Vikings going to do a deal, my guess is that Sage would be included in it. If they ship out Cutler, the Broncs would have a steaming pile of nobody at QB unless they get someone back in return. Maybe Cutler for the Vikes' first pick and Sage. I suppose they'd draft a QB, but there are worse options for a bridge starter.

I hope Sage gets a starting shot somewhere. By all accounts, he never let his frustrated ambitions affect his relationship with his teammates, in particular the starter (I believe espn blogger Kuharsky wrote that he never saw a starter and backup with as good a relationship as Matt and Sage). That's got to be worth something.

PapaL
03-02-2009, 04:22 PM
That would be irony at it's best...or worst.

Pick one.

Norg
03-02-2009, 04:29 PM
Cutler is not leaving denver i dont even know why people are talking about this anymore its Obvs denver put there name in there hat for Cassel but thats it

Mailman
03-02-2009, 04:35 PM
Cutler is not leaving denver i dont even know why people are talking about this anymore its Obvs denver put there name in there hat for Cassel but thats it

Probably not, but unless fences are mended soon I could see something happening with Cutler as the draft approaches.

barrett
03-02-2009, 04:56 PM
That would be just Sage's luck. Can you amagine the rug being pulled from underneath him again - that would suck for him. Nice guys finish last (just like we usually do in the AFC South).

Don't the colts count as nice guys too?